What and When we can expect things to OPEN

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Federally yes. When you complain about lockdowns and restrictions and what we are doing in Ontario , that is all on Ford.

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Well, I first blame Turdeau, even in Ontario ... because he's the one that dropped the ball big time on vaccines and left the provinces to do all the work. He's also the one that refuses to close airports ... people can still vacation in Cuba if they want ... is that essential??

So, Ford was handed a load of crap from Turdeau ... and yeah, he used a blanket approach shutting everything down, according to our doctatorship here in Ontario ... which isn't good either.

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Originally Posted by GW11

Take a look at Australia if anyone wants a look at what our return to fall and winter will look like.

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Well - maybe not.
Australia has done fairly well up to now with closing their borders.
But either they don't understand what "endemic" means, or haven't got the word yet that covid is/will become endemic like the flu or the common cold.
They have tried to hide, but its a losing strategy. Maybe they understand that now.
Lockdowns do not work. They can level out spikes but that's about it.
We are seeing that in Ontario with our spring lockdown. They've managed to drag out flu season to the end of May. Not sure if that is an achievement to be proud of.

Also - have a look at the Australia vaccination rate. Another source of their problems.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

Well - maybe not.
Australia has done fairly well up to now with closing their borders.
But either they don't understand what "endemic" means, or haven't got the word yet that covid is/will become endemic like the flu or the common cold.
They have tried to hide, but its a losing strategy. Maybe they understand that now.
Lockdowns do not work. They can level out spikes but that's about it.
We are seeing that in Ontario with our spring lockdown. They've managed to drag out flu season to the end of May. Not sure if that is an achievement to be proud of.

Also - have a look at the Australia vaccination rate. Another source of their problems.

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I guess some of it depends on whether or not you think we'll see another wave in the fall. I think we will, at least to some degree. Plenty of the population will be unvaccinated, new mutations will inevitably get past these vaccines (to some degree), and the virus will follow typical seasonal trends, as we're seeing now. Credit is going entirely to vaccines and lockdowns right now but cases plummeted at exactly the same time as last year.

Australia has implemented some harsher and swifter restrictions than we've seen in Canada but I'm sure our crew will still be running the same playbook in October. We'll see, but my guess is more of the same by this fall.

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Originally Posted by GW11

I guess some of it depends on whether or not you think we'll see another wave in the fall. I think we will, at least to some degree. Plenty of the population will be unvaccinated, new mutations will inevitably get past these vaccines (to some degree), and the virus will follow typical seasonal trends, as we're seeing now. Credit is going entirely to vaccines and lockdowns right now but cases plummeted at exactly the same time as last year.

Australia has implemented some harsher and swifter restrictions than we've seen in Canada but I'm sure our crew will still be running the same playbook in October. We'll see, but my guess is more of the same by this fall.

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I predict the fall won't be to bad I'm thinking the it will come out in February March when the vaccine start wearing off. Unless they give out a booster in the fall around the typical shot season. In the fall it might hit long term care homes since they would be the first ones fully protected 6, 7 months ahead of the flu season. If the majority are getting the second shot soon they should still be a little protected the beginning of the flu season but not by the end .

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Sweden. Worth the read.

https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=76047258

Depending on how a person interprets, and presents the data ( spins it). There are lessons for either argument.
So the takeway?

Never mind Sweden. How about the success in Mexico city?
More than one way to skin the rabbit.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/af...hs-disappeared

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Originally Posted by impact

Never mind Sweden. How about the success in Mexico city?
More than one way to skin the rabbit.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/af...hs-disappeared

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Yet here in Canaduh
https://www.facebook.com/BLNewsMedia...8383311774389/