Great thought initially however be careful what you wish for since thinking like that gives anti's the right to say they are mine too so don't touch themQuote:
Originally Posted by fratri
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Great thought initially however be careful what you wish for since thinking like that gives anti's the right to say they are mine too so don't touch themQuote:
Originally Posted by fratri
That still is how things are supposed to work, but I know of more than one person that have never completed the controlled hunt questionnaire for years, yet are never disqualified for the next year's hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlmorgan
I participated in the controlled hunt the first week of Nov. If you look at the info from the MNR site (see screenshot 1), it stipulates that the mandatory report must be completed within 14 days of the hunt. I just got my mandatory report in the mail earlier this week, more than two weeks after finishing the hunt.
http://www.ontario.ca/page/submit-hu...arvest-reports
Another item of note is that while the website stipulates reporting within 14 days of the hunt's end, the instructions on the survey itself say to submit it only after all your deer hunting activities for the year are complete (see screenshot 2). Since I bow hunt, this potentially means I don't have to report until after Dec. 31.
The information between these two MNR sources is conflicting, to say the least.
On another note, the MNR finally got smart and sent my moose report and deer report together in the same envelope instead of mailing each separately.
Those wild animals belong to us all including the anti's, so we all must be managers of our resources. Not sure how the anti's manage our wildlife but I know how I am doing my part... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Sorry to hear about this but the CO does still have discretion. Anyway I would set a date for a trial which is your right and hear the evidence, question the CO as to how he came to issue tickets ,was he under direct orders from the District Supervisor. I would take the stand and give my defence, if you are convicted I would ask for a reduced fine. If everybody ticketed did this and tied down the court for a few days it might send a message.Quote:
Originally Posted by domination
It does smack of a money grab and alienates hunters from the Ministry that is supposed to support hunters .Very sad state of affairs IMHO.
What would your defence be? I forgot or I did not want to?
If the poster forgot it would not establish a defence but it is an explination for the Justice.
The Ministry has plenty of time to play with the numbers for next years tags, so what is the big deal here fining hunters .The idea of the return is to get information to be used to manage the Moose numbers.
With the dismal way the resource has been managed by the Ministry we should be demanding they get fined.LOL
I didn't send in my mandatory bear hunting questionnaire seven years ago. The OMNR actually printed me out one and mailed it to me at the end of December, already past the deadline. I filled that one out and mailed it in and never heard back from them about a ticket.
That's a great friendly reminder, and from the government of all places. However, if I had gotten a ticket in the mail instead I wouldn't cry about it because I earned it. When you buy your tag you're agreeing to all the stipulations of it, a questionnaire being one of them.
I don't know that pushing the issue to a trial is the right way to go. The offence is pretty much absolute liability. Either you reported as per the Act, or you didn't. Not much of a defence available. The hearing JP may not be too pleased that the expense of a trial was incurred. However, pleading guilty with an explanation is an option. Given the fact that the survey is given out some months before the hunt, may be reason enough to get the fine greatly reduced.
This is a prime example of MNR justice. They say the report is mandatory when issuing the licence but do not spell out the penalty for noncompliance. How many other licences over the years have been MANDATORY? Quite a few. The early controlled deer shotgun hunts actually stated the failure to submit would make you ineligible for the next season. I know lots of guys that never handed them in and guess what? bought a licence and hunted the following year. one yr I sent in my bear report 3 times and they still notified me well into the next year. twice I faxed it in and then sent it as an email attachment with a HIGH ALERT to the supervisor in Bracebridge with a return notification to me when the email was opened. 2 other guys I knew had the same problem. I called twice - only to be told my FAX machine must be out of order. you mean General Motors Engineering dept has a faulty fax - REALLY.????.one of the other guys is a city administrator and the last guy is a systems analysis for a major company All our fax machines were faulty??? I said "look lady - maybe you should clean up your own house before you start flingin S#*t around " I have the proof they were sent!
I understand the poster didn't submit it and my feelings are he should have. BUT in all of Ontario and all the non-returned MANDATORY reports and he gets $180 slap. If he gets it then everyone who doesn't submit should get it also! and right NOW! It's not that MNR doesn't know who they are!
this would sure open a can of worms.
His best answer to the judge should be "discriminatory"
I truly hate this "discretion of the officer crap" .. to me it's black and white either guilty or innocent.
yes the poster is guilty but he should be treated the same as all the other guilty.
My thoughts too. I don't think the JP is going to cut you much slack and the MNR is going to have more lawyers on this than you can imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles