https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/carr...head-1.5232262
Unbelievable :scream: :scream: !!! Poor thing.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/carr...head-1.5232262
Unbelievable :scream: :scream: !!! Poor thing.
Amazing, I don’t see any broad head. Wonder if the shooter was using field points.
I’m hoping it was an unintentional ricochet, but I would expect a broad head to cause more damage.
That's the first thing I noticed, was where is the broadhead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
Wow, that is really awful... hopefully the deer makes a full recovery....poor little guy
I remember during the buckshot thread those against buck shot said this could not happen.
As a striclty archery hunter I can confidently say that deer wounded by buckshot have a much better chance at surviving than deer wounded by archery. You can find buckshot or muzzleloader in seemingly healthy deer all the time. However a lodged arrow or bolt will fester most of the time and especially if it's sticking out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
If you watch the end of the video you can tell that the bolt is passed through soft tissues and is behind the skull itself. Although the hide between the antlers is very tough its not so tough as to stop a crossbow bolt from a standard bow. If the arrow was originally equipped with a broadhead one would expect the arrow would fall out easily due to the large wound.
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I would be willing to bet that the people who feed that deer in the video were able to unscrew the broadhead so that the deer didn't injure itself further.
Poor animal.
The bolt could be easily cut in half with a bolt cutter, somewhere above the skull, and let the gravity do the rest. The deer would not even notice the cutting act ,beeing so timid.......
I'm kind of leaning towards this deer was shot without a tip.
As a hunter, where would you aim if you knew your bolt was without a tip?
There doesn't appear to be much broadhead damage, which may also explain the lack of penetration.
These deer appear to be pretty tame and obviously hand fed, it wouldn't surprise me if someone shot it outside their bedroom window.
I know he must still be out there looking for his crossbow bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahuntr300
I’m kidding of course
Sorry I AM SICKENED by this.
Looking at angle it was shot from a stand..
1st, Why would anyone use a field tip
2nd, Why would you aim for the head,
This gives a lot of amo to the haters
As far as I am concerned this individual should not be called a hunter, We all make mistakes, but we eliminate as many possibilities of a mistake,
Sorry this really does bother me
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Originally Posted by hockeymjt
I dont see a field tip
How do you know it wasn't shot by some kid out his bedroom windows
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions
If that's the case they could have pulled that arrow out very easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by rf2
Dutch, seriously..a kid...a kid can pull back a string to ? The trajectory of the arrow shows it was pretty close so thru a bedroom window I don't think you would be able to shot that angle.....would a a broad head not do a lot more damage to the tissue both enter and exit?
I am willing to bet the individual put in a field tip to shoot at a racoon or some other rodent and the deer came by and he took his chance..and betting he was going for neck or spine.
I think you are right as far as a field tip. My thought was it may have been a youngster too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeymjt
The trajectory of the arrow must be taken right out of the equation because deer move their head. If that buck has his head down to feed it dramatically alters the perceived trajectory.
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Sorry, but that is stupid. A raccoon is tough, your going to need a broadhead.. target or field tips will not do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeymjt
The rage practice head pins em down real good! Went 3 for 3 out the second floor bathroom window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
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Are we sure it's a crossbow bolt? From the video,to me,it looks like a broken off arrow shaft. We'll soon find out. I read where OMNRF staff drugged the deer and removed the shaft.
Yup they are great on big jacks too. They cut but not being sharp they also impart a lot of blunt force as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
Just my take-there is lot of discussion here about bedroom window shoting,head shots etc.
Lots of "bad" stuff-so to say.
Only few dare to try to see this at different angle.
Us as hunters need to reject poaching and non ethical shooting more, then anyone else.
However after looking at the video 2 nd time,we could also contemplate a 100% legal and ethical shot too.Why not?
Anyone ever heard about a convicted men freed by the jury-or about the "beyond reasonable doubt"?
Or innocent until proven guilty?
This deer could have been shot at from a tree stand,and the deer have jumped the string AND at the same time turned to his right side …..
As dipping and turning(tens of a second)the deer head could be lined up with a crossbow at a relatively low height, and a hunter who did his best to make a good shot.
Imaginary line of the head position at dipping and turning would nicely line up with a double lung area-looking from the deer's left side.
The hunter may never know what happened.
Plausible?
The deer was saved by the MNRF-great news.Happy about it.
The MNRF will likely tell us what happened-considering the high profile of the case.
I agree. I shot at a big buck
He jumped the string and the arrow hit him right in the base of the horn..had to watch that lighted arrow go bounding across the field.
Sure certainly could be, but if there was a broadhead on that arrow I would expect significantly more damage to the skin on the side of his face. In fact I'd be surprised if the damage that would be caused would even hold an arrow in that wound tract.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
So I suspect it was a field tip and someone intentionally trying to head shoot a deer with a field tip. I could be wrong of course, there could be a thousand explanations, but in my mind the probability is someone trying to poach with inadequate equipment.
FishHog -not arguing,just keeping the communication open.
Above ,dutchunter just stated, this happened to him, almost exactly the same way.........
As far as the small wound as testimony for a field tip theory concerned(we actually can not see the wound clearly )the bolt can be lodged in the pedicle area,stuck in that bone rich area ,with antler spurs all around.It may stay there stuck regardless of the wound size.
Also-we do not know if it was a mechanical broadhead either.
Small entry and exit is quite possible ,if the broadhead did open in flight ,then fall apart at the point of hitting the antler,or was one of those ,which sometimes do not open at all.........poorly screwed in, it could fall out easily in a day or two.
Lets see what we will hear from MNRF.
Peace
Another story-it is actually mine.
Almost the same-but not quite.
3 years ago i got skunked on deer hunt.Hovewer i shot at ,sitting on the ground ,at a really nice buck,fully facing me.He was coming to my call,and never offered a broadside shot.He worked his scrape and licking branch,then decided to walk towards me.
I got concerned he will see me(i was sittinh plain Jane i a front of some light deadfall, low to the ground,while holding my x bow on him for minutes).Repeating to myslef-do not shoot-30 yards-do not shoot-30 yards.
Waited for a better moment.
When he stepped towrds me,i figured,time to shoot.He will see me in a second.........Aimed nice and square-in the middle of the chest.
About 25 yards-still deer,ground level shot-straight in the chest--what can go wrong?
Well-the deer stepped forward-TO START another scrape.So while the bolt was in a flight-he dropped his head to start the scrape .I know this -because next day i reconstructed the situation-and I know from the day before ,there was no scrape started where the deer stood when i "hit "him.
I have this habit of taking pictures at each outing,and taking pictures of any significant stuff in the place i hunt.(scrapes,rubs,new trails emerging-You name it)
When the bolt hit -the deer jumped ,and run a bit away ,towards where he came from. Then he calmed down-then circled me,and then he busted me fair and square, coming from behind me(i heard him coming-but was thinking,it is another deer-who cares-i just got one...)
Next day(this was an afternoon hunt-so i had no intention to push tracking thru the later part of the afternoon-and into the night) 4 of us spent a day never to find anything.Not a drop of a blood,no hair,no bolt,no nothing.
BUT-i remembered a PING sound,while i "hit"the deer.
Later,slowly it sunk in,that while lowering its head,the buck actually "guarded"his schest with his antlers.
I managed to hit his antlers,the bolt flew who knows where, after richocheting off the antlers.
Back to the story-thinking about it NEW ways,based on this thread,"my"buck could easily become one of those-"shot in a head "deer,running with and arrow sticking in its head.
He was not one of those though, because i saw him partially,after he stopped from his 50 yards dash,and he looked quite calm,and wiggled its tail.........
I had a deer wiggling his tail once,and acting like this one-then falling over-so i thought ,he is about to fall over too.
I tend to agree, we can only go by what's on the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
A headless bolt kinda speaks for itself.
I also find it difficult to believe that a licensed hunter would lie and wait and be optimistic that he or she would be successful with a headless bolt.
I mentioned shooting from the bedroom earlier simply because the deer in question appears to be accustomed to being around houses.
I would also assume if it was shot from inside a dwelling, it would contribute to silencing the bow, preventing string jump.
There are lots of possibilities, it just doesn't look to me that a regular hunting scenario is one of them.
Despite the fact that a piece of hunting equipment was used.
Hopefully we find out.
Without knowing the facts, it’s easy for us to theorize and come up with various scenarios of what could have happened. Unfortunately, it’s very easy to assume the worst and that only reinforces a negative stereotype of hunters.
I’ve only watched the video once, and it’s my belief that there is no tip whatsoever on the shaft and I assume that it fell off. Without a tip, I would think that the shaft could be easily pulled out - provided that it is surrounded by soft tissue. I would tempt the deer with food in my left hand and as the deer approached, I would grab the shaft with my right hand and hold tight. The buck would likely turn and flee while the arrow gets pulled out. Should work like a charm, no?
Since this deer is tame i bet someone took a straight down shot out of a house or something elevated, trying to head shoot it so it wouldn't go far.
I'm betting it had a point....either field point or broadhead but unscrewed itself or the retards that made this deer tame took it off to avoid more injury.
I hate seeing articles like this, More bad press for legitimate hunters...
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Although some compound hunters LOVE to play dumb and name every projectile in an animal as a "crossgun bolt" (I've had some insist a 30" arrow is a crossbow bolt). I have to agree that this is a crossbow bolt. It looks like your typical carbon express fletchings and you can tell it's not broken off because the insert is still in the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Ive now watched the video 4 times, and stop it to visualize.
There is ZERO question in my mind that there was no Broadhead, no entrance or exit evidence, so right there, REGARDLESS of where it was shot, window, roof, tree stand, Its AN UN ETHICAL shot. Period.
We can try and make all the excuses in the world, he jumped the string, he turned his head, WHATEVER, You don't shoot at anything with a target or field point,
There is no deer in the world that would tempt me to take a shot with a field , ZERO,
A lot of speculation.
Somebody put this deer down as he still looks delicious or tranq it and snip off the darn arrow.
Folks that made this thing tame is another discussion entirely.
These things are not pets.
hockeymjt-not challening You,but -do we have to put it out here, based on a murky video ,that there is someone shot this deer without a broad head?Antis are licking their mouth..........Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeymjt
I watched the video over and over, and second by second.
Recommend watching it at about 47 and 55 sec,where the entry side is the MOST visible.
Remember-broadheads are very very narrow in most cases(some are not -but hey,who knows what was shot)so to say there is no tiny line of 2 mm wide ,at about 1.5 " lenght in a hairy deer ,based on a murky video, is brave at best.
Before do so-after reviewing the 47 and 55,please help understand what that dark circle is around the arrow.At about broadhed DIA. Could it be hair and meat pushed up and roughed up by the impact?
I really have no vested interest in this story-but just like that ,to feed the Antis....hmmmm? we should know better.
Poacher is a poacher,but based on 60 sec of poor video, where some important areas are covered with those ugly Closed Captions.........
We should not be our own enemy.
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Originally Posted by cantgetright
They can easily fall off... especially as the deer moves around... I've had them get loose on me...