'Carrot the magic deer' unfazed by crossbow bolt through head

[gbk]

Just my take-there is lot of discussion here about bedroom window shoting,head shots etc.
Lots of "bad" stuff-so to say.
Only few dare to try to see this at different angle.


Us as hunters need to reject poaching and non ethical shooting more, then anyone else.

However after looking at the video 2 nd time,we could also contemplate a 100% legal and ethical shot too.Why not?
Anyone ever heard about a convicted men freed by the jury-or about the "beyond reasonable doubt"?
Or innocent until proven guilty?

This deer could have been shot at from a tree stand,and the deer have jumped the string AND at the same time turned to his right side …..
As dipping and turning(tens of a second)the deer head could be lined up with a crossbow at a relatively low height, and a hunter who did his best to make a good shot.
Imaginary line of the head position at dipping and turning would nicely line up with a double lung area-looking from the deer's left side.
The hunter may never know what happened.

Plausible?

The deer was saved by the MNRF-great news.Happy about it.
The MNRF will likely tell us what happened-considering the high profile of the case.

[dutchhunter]

I agree. I shot at a big buck
He jumped the string and the arrow hit him right in the base of the horn..had to watch that lighted arrow go bounding across the field.

[FishHog]

Just my take-there is lot of discussion here about bedroom window shoting,head shots etc.
Lots of "bad" stuff-so to say.
Only few dare to try to see this at different angle.


Us as hunters need to reject poaching and non ethical shooting more, then anyone else.

However after looking at the video 2 nd time,we could also contemplate a 100% legal and ethical shot too.Why not?
Anyone ever heard about a convicted men freed by the jury-or about the "beyond reasonable doubt"?
Or innocent until proven guilty?

This deer could have been shot at from a tree stand,and the deer have jumped the string AND at the same time turned to his right side …..
As dipping and turning(tens of a second)the deer head could be lined up with a crossbow at a relatively low height, and a hunter who did his best to make a good shot.
Imaginary line of the head position at dipping and turning would nicely line up with a double lung area-looking from the deer's left side.
The hunter may never know what happened.

Plausible?

The deer was saved by the MNRF-great news.Happy about it.
The MNRF will likely tell us what happened-considering the high profile of the case.

Sure certainly could be, but if there was a broadhead on that arrow I would expect significantly more damage to the skin on the side of his face. In fact I'd be surprised if the damage that would be caused would even hold an arrow in that wound tract.

So I suspect it was a field tip and someone intentionally trying to head shoot a deer with a field tip. I could be wrong of course, there could be a thousand explanations, but in my mind the probability is someone trying to poach with inadequate equipment.

[gbk]

FishHog -not arguing,just keeping the communication open.
Above ,dutchunter just stated, this happened to him, almost exactly the same way.........

As far as the small wound as testimony for a field tip theory concerned(we actually can not see the wound clearly )the bolt can be lodged in the pedicle area,stuck in that bone rich area ,with antler spurs all around.It may stay there stuck regardless of the wound size.

Also-we do not know if it was a mechanical broadhead either.
Small entry and exit is quite possible ,if the broadhead did open in flight ,then fall apart at the point of hitting the antler,or was one of those ,which sometimes do not open at all.........poorly screwed in, it could fall out easily in a day or two.

Lets see what we will hear from MNRF.
Peace

[gbk]

Another story-it is actually mine.
Almost the same-but not quite.

3 years ago i got skunked on deer hunt.Hovewer i shot at ,sitting on the ground ,at a really nice buck,fully facing me.He was coming to my call,and never offered a broadside shot.He worked his scrape and licking branch,then decided to walk towards me.
I got concerned he will see me(i was sittinh plain Jane i a front of some light deadfall, low to the ground,while holding my x bow on him for minutes).Repeating to myslef-do not shoot-30 yards-do not shoot-30 yards.
Waited for a better moment.

When he stepped towrds me,i figured,time to shoot.He will see me in a second.........Aimed nice and square-in the middle of the chest.
About 25 yards-still deer,ground level shot-straight in the chest--what can go wrong?

Well-the deer stepped forward-TO START another scrape.So while the bolt was in a flight-he dropped his head to start the scrape .I know this -because next day i reconstructed the situation-and I know from the day before ,there was no scrape started where the deer stood when i "hit "him.

I have this habit of taking pictures at each outing,and taking pictures of any significant stuff in the place i hunt.(scrapes,rubs,new trails emerging-You name it)

When the bolt hit -the deer jumped ,and run a bit away ,towards where he came from. Then he calmed down-then circled me,and then he busted me fair and square, coming from behind me(i heard him coming-but was thinking,it is another deer-who cares-i just got one...)
Next day(this was an afternoon hunt-so i had no intention to push tracking thru the later part of the afternoon-and into the night) 4 of us spent a day never to find anything.Not a drop of a blood,no hair,no bolt,no nothing.
BUT-i remembered a PING sound,while i "hit"the deer.

Later,slowly it sunk in,that while lowering its head,the buck actually "guarded"his schest with his antlers.
I managed to hit his antlers,the bolt flew who knows where, after richocheting off the antlers.



Back to the story-thinking about it NEW ways,based on this thread,"my"buck could easily become one of those-"shot in a head "deer,running with and arrow sticking in its head.

He was not one of those though, because i saw him partially,after he stopped from his 50 yards dash,and he looked quite calm,and wiggled its tail.........
I had a deer wiggling his tail once,and acting like this one-then falling over-so i thought ,he is about to fall over too.

[onelessarrow]

Sure certainly could be, but if there was a broadhead on that arrow I would expect significantly more damage to the skin on the side of his face. In fact I'd be surprised if the damage that would be caused would even hold an arrow in that wound tract.

So I suspect it was a field tip and someone intentionally trying to head shoot a deer with a field tip. I could be wrong of course, there could be a thousand explanations, but in my mind the probability is someone trying to poach with inadequate equipment.

I tend to agree, we can only go by what's on the video.
A headless bolt kinda speaks for itself.
I also find it difficult to believe that a licensed hunter would lie and wait and be optimistic that he or she would be successful with a headless bolt.
I mentioned shooting from the bedroom earlier simply because the deer in question appears to be accustomed to being around houses.
I would also assume if it was shot from inside a dwelling, it would contribute to silencing the bow, preventing string jump.
There are lots of possibilities, it just doesn't look to me that a regular hunting scenario is one of them.
Despite the fact that a piece of hunting equipment was used.
Hopefully we find out.

[Sam Menard]

Without knowing the facts, it’s easy for us to theorize and come up with various scenarios of what could have happened. Unfortunately, it’s very easy to assume the worst and that only reinforces a negative stereotype of hunters.

I’ve only watched the video once, and it’s my belief that there is no tip whatsoever on the shaft and I assume that it fell off. Without a tip, I would think that the shaft could be easily pulled out - provided that it is surrounded by soft tissue. I would tempt the deer with food in my left hand and as the deer approached, I would grab the shaft with my right hand and hold tight. The buck would likely turn and flee while the arrow gets pulled out. Should work like a charm, no?

[SongDog]

Since this deer is tame i bet someone took a straight down shot out of a house or something elevated, trying to head shoot it so it wouldn't go far.

I'm betting it had a point....either field point or broadhead but unscrewed itself or the retards that made this deer tame took it off to avoid more injury.


I hate seeing articles like this, More bad press for legitimate hunters...

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[MihajloSimsic]

Are we sure it's a crossbow bolt? From the video,to me,it looks like a broken off arrow shaft. We'll soon find out. I read where OMNRF staff drugged the deer and removed the shaft.

Although some compound hunters LOVE to play dumb and name every projectile in an animal as a "crossgun bolt" (I've had some insist a 30" arrow is a crossbow bolt). I have to agree that this is a crossbow bolt. It looks like your typical carbon express fletchings and you can tell it's not broken off because the insert is still in the front.

[hockeymjt]

Ive now watched the video 4 times, and stop it to visualize.
There is ZERO question in my mind that there was no Broadhead, no entrance or exit evidence, so right there, REGARDLESS of where it was shot, window, roof, tree stand, Its AN UN ETHICAL shot. Period.
We can try and make all the excuses in the world, he jumped the string, he turned his head, WHATEVER, You don't shoot at anything with a target or field point,

There is no deer in the world that would tempt me to take a shot with a field , ZERO,