Always a point of debate, the Off Topic section is again under scrutiny for its presence on the Forum.
Would you like to get rid of the Off Topic section? Please cast your votes above.
Meghan.
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Always a point of debate, the Off Topic section is again under scrutiny for its presence on the Forum.
Would you like to get rid of the Off Topic section? Please cast your votes above.
Meghan.
The off topic section is great hence the off topic of the fishing and hunting sections.
Plenty of useful information and debates and it definitely gets it's use. Fishing and hunting is not always open so without postings can become slow and little post at all during the off seasons .
It's the users choice to go into them if they don't want too, nobody is forced to read it.
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No, it's where off topic stuff is discussed. Otherwise "off topic" material will be all over the forums.
The problem is the and animosity tossed around in the off-topic section makes its way through the rest of the forum.
This forum is far different from any other outdoor forums I've joined. It seems to be mostly people who like getting in online pissing matches who have an occaisional interest in the outdoors. Other forums have people that live/eat/sleep/breath hunting logging on now and then to share advice and experience.
OOD sure isn't a hunting/fishing forum - not anymore.
In the absence of an Off Topic forum the types of discussions that take place in it will migrate into other forums. I've seen this in other web forums.
Yes other than the Photo/Video shoot section.
I think any of us on here the last decade or so knows the Off Topic section is a sounding board for a certain political party. They will try to migrate into other threads which are political hot buttons (firearms), we just need the moderators to keep things in line on these other sections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Isn't getting rid of it a small form of censorship. Let it roll. It is great entertainment to read how foolish people can make themselves sound. If you look at it closely I think you will find there is only a small percentage of obnoxious people on there. Any and all debate about the issues that affect our daily lives is important. You do not have to read it and I'm sure the moderator can censure if it gets extreme. Heated discussion and name calling is unfortunate, but to shut it down because of the action of a few people does not serve the community as a whole.
Somewhat different perspective, aside from if there's no outlet.
If Turkey tags go up. Most people will grouse about that. Grouse about the MNR and the lack of COs, which will lead to "politics" and lack of money. Even now some have groused about pleasure craft operator changes.
What will the mods do if I
"Its because X party gutted MNR funding"
give me a time out
?
With ice fishing soon to be a thing. If someone says anything about Ford closing rentals, and that X number of replies later turns into something
Can I report them?
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Me, my time online and here is limited. I rarely, if ever visit the Marina forum. Why? Its of little interest to me....
Same with dog forum and a couple others.
Other forums.
I read a few or alot depending on the day, rarely comment. Not a lot to add by the time I read something.
Take Carrot the buck.....What might I say that hasn't already been said?
Great fish?
Yes you should
Exactly my thoughts Werner. I pushed to dump the "Off Topics" for years, but it seems the traffic it causes is good for numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Does that mean YES or NO?Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
I voted no. Wasn't aware I was supposed to say that, and off to the races we go ;) ( please note winkie)
A common recommendation is that we put people on ignore to keep the peace. Its a band-aid that doesn't always work. I can tell you from experience.
More importantly Can people not as easily ignore those forums........... if they don't want to see them?
I hope no-one gets offended by that, but is kind of stating the obvious. If I am in favour of closing them....why am I going there in the first place?
Stuff will just spill out, and certain types of people carry crap into other post, other threads, other forums. More work for the mods who already have enough....
Do we ban all political talk? Might as well.......more work for the mods in more forums, in more threads....
Sort of what I was hinting at in the first post.
I use the "new posts" feature. I don't browse the forums. No way to avoid seeing these posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
It’s not the off topic section that’s the problem, it’s a few obnoxious individuals. Get rid of them and the problem Is solved. I don’t really participate much in the off section anyways so don’t really care either way.
So do I Werner ( limited time and all that), and it's one reason why I know to pop into something. Or I new you just replied here. But I can see new post in X forum. As I do say the Marina and simply choose not to read it.
Utopia will never exist.
If you want to cut the brains and balls out of the page then go ahead. To think that other topics like COVID and political decisions doesn't have an impact on hunting and fishing in Canada is empirically false so removing it would only pacify those that don't want to think about reality and their impacts. If they don't want to read it no one is forcing them to read.... or to think.
Get rid of the few that can't stop causing havoc. No point in cutting off your leg to stop an itchy toe. Get rid of the few, the rest will pay attention.
You nailed it, deal with the instigators with temporary bans and see if things smooth out after that. If they continue with their crap after coming back then deal with them more severely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
How do you define which ones to drop though? Based on them making repeated irrelevant remarks? Personal insults? Political view? The current rules are probably adequate and Free speech is only FREE when you have the option to make an a** of yourself or tell someone they are. I post alot of attacks on the current gov't, sometimes I push, sometimes I ignore but I am sure some would probably want me to not speak on the lies or corruption that might enlighten someone about taking a moral position in regarding their vote or support. CBC for example is known for it's coverups and ignoring of things like Trudeau lying or spending huge amounts or the latest with the Chinese military training in Canada... do the moderators want to become censors that define the "correct think" attitude? Idiots on the road you avoid and ignore, even more easily done online. I mean why would anyone go into the Off Topic unless they had an interest... perhaps that interest is to find a way to shut down the debate and discussion?
Jordan Peterson has over and over spoken on Political Correctness and free speech and the distortion of facts and has said very often that the search for truth requires multiple sources sometimes.
Here he is talking about an interview where the "journalist" was actually an advocate for censored speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1U9k0dwzI
"Truth eludes us if we do not pursue it with constant attention." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Russian novelist and later prof. at Harvard)
"To give truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation" - George MacDonald
"Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening a mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." G.K. Chesterton
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill
Sometimes there are subjects such as BBQ's, chainsaws, generators, etc that really don't quite fit into the other main groups. Sometimes DIY doesn't fit hunting or fishing either, so I wouldn't get rid of Off Topic ...yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Sorry, how I see it, bullies and trolls shouldn't be allowed Free Speech. IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Saw this once and kept a copy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
“The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!”
― Brian Cox
I watch and rear the off topic but do not comment on it.
I believe to make it better would be , let everyone comment only once on the topic (TOPIC) then there would be less bickering.
Just my thoughts.
You nailed it!! Couldn’t agree moreQuote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
Yes I use it for this as well.
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Originally Posted by Fisherman
Education on alot of topics is better for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
So you don't like the Charter of Rights and Freedoms ... sad to see how many are like our current gov't. By the way what and who defines this "correct think" and speak definition that isn't already in the current rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
Not a bad idea, maybe 3 or 5, it is when it gets into the back and forth insults and rants that seems to be where most of the contention is and it would force people to think more about their posts rather than the quick shot or insult back that is more about pride or attempt to insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
Problem is we all have different views and opinions .
Others don't like it when you have a different opinion other than theirs.
Some think their own opinion is the only right answer lol. However they are mistaken and other opinions are welcome.
That's the reality .
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You know you can't change a person without them wanting changes in themselves.
That's that this world is coming too so why we are trying to change the people is beyond me . You can try all you want to but it might not work.
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There are a few great ideas posted here for the off topics forum. Everyone has opinions and they should be able to voice them without being a bully or making it personal. People on this outdoor forum are the people I want to give me their opinions about off topic ideas or thoughts I might have, because they supposedly have the same basic interests that I have.
I'm really not interested in having a person who spends all their spare time indoors putting stamps in a binder or knitting and crocheting giving opinions on topics they are not involved in. If I was I would be on sites that were geared towards those pastimes. This is just my opinion though, feel free to ignore it and have a Merry Christmas.
John
Curious.
Seems to be a pretty contentious issue. A wide and diverse range of options about things. Including what’s “right” or “wrong”
Oddly.
No tit for tat. Or flames. What’s missing
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It is also hidden offline from the general population. You need to be a member and logged in to view it. Small audience really. Not so for the other topics of discussion. Visible on the WWW.Quote:
Originally Posted by TroutSlayer
Yes in most case that works, doesn’t seem to work for a few individuals on here. Sadly in certain cases authorities (moderators) have to step in, that’s just the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I have no problem with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
If you think what was going on here is acceptable then I’m sorry, there’s nothing I can add.
It is only acceptable in the respect to the alternatives of banning, silencing and censoring .... a rude jerk sucks .... the alternative is a black hole crushing and killing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
Hence Judges idea of limiting the posts per thread or I would add per day in a thread sound good to me. The petty juvenile back and forth insults with no thought just intended to insult or annoy would be mostly eliminated putting a cap (per thread or per day) on the posts.
Then you are censoring, silencing the rest of the forum members so a few shint disturbers can keep on going. IMO you give them a fair warning and if they don’t want to play nice then you ban them. Problem solved and we have a healthy forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
I am a moderator on another forum - mostly American; we average 200 member/guests per day. If there was going to be lots of political talk it would be there , considering how much American political turmoil there has been. However, we do not have an Off Topic section for politics. It does not appear in other threads either. The subjects are more narrow than here as it is ONLY about gundogs/hunting , but we find lots to say about the topic we love.
OOD is nothing like what it used to be. The Off topic section ( and members who are only here to talk about politics) has ruined it imo. I think that if you got rid of that section, there would be a time of transition , but we would get back to what we were- hunting/fishing etc..
The Charter of Rights and Freedom is not a consideration here. The people who own and operate this forum get to decide what is acceptable comment and what isn't. Those of us participating asked to be included and agreed to follow the rules. Either one abides by the rules or risks censure or being banned.
Exactly, free speach is available on the corner of King and Main. Have at it! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
I agree Sharon, like you, I have been here for decades and have seen the changes and the reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Back in the 'good old days' eh Sharon...before this format was adopted and that was over 12 yrs ago. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Exactly! :) or go to Facebook to argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by TroutSlayer
Wow . Has it been 12 years Mike? Our opinion should mean something. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Bingo, it really is as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
Yeah it’s been a long time Mike and Sharon.
I seem to recall a time when the ammo and guns forum was as bad, worse. Is it still as bad as it used to be?
I was going to hold this until later. May as well get it now. Have we all forgotten how bad that forum was?
One of the first things in the ToS is trolling. Aka instigators aka triggering.
Some might think I’m a bully, but. Fine, I won’t apologize.
If the Mods won’t enforce the rules, that already exist. Why should I or anyone follow them.
Why because you're an adult, so be a man and act like one. If not pick up your ball and go home... Enough of this ...
Personal attack.
Insult.
Trolling.
Good job Einstein.
You missed the point.
let’s see if the TOS are enforced. That would mitigate the need for people to take matters in to their own hands.
And I might add. Some of “adults” BoD? Also expect others to play by the rules when you won’t??
Merry Christmas everyone...I have a question. If ten people on here comment in a political thread that the Liberals are the worst governments we have ever had, and one person disagrees and says , the Conservatives are the worst. Should they not be allowed to comment on that thread? Are they trolling , triggering or voicing an opinion? Asking for a friend.
Tell your friend to ignore it, like we're being told to ignore him...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
So following that perspective , those in the majority, should ignore the reply , not slander and call the dissenter nasty names . How has that worked so far? Agree with the majority, or not comment on a thread? Sounds draconian.
You missed the point...the forum would be a better place if you and you friend would just ignore posting your unwanted crap and ignore us.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
As you just admitted, you know what the response is going to be. So by posting your crap, you're purposely 'stiring the pot' ...and breaking the rules
If the mods were diligent in enforced the rules, pretty much anything you and your 'friend' post would be removed..so save them the effort and just stop posting the crap that is disruptive and detrimental to the forum.Quote:
3(a). Personal insults, inappropriate or offensive content, the incitement of violence, or disrupting behaviours, which are detrimental to discussions in the forum will not be tolerated.
B) Is this message something that most members would like to read?
C) Does this message add value to this forum?
3(b). Personal attacks on members, cyber bullying, libel comments or bashing/slandering of businesses, organizations, individuals or corporations will not be tolerated. Threads deemed to be an attempt to "stir the pot" or are looking for support on their attack will be removed.
Expressing a contrary opinion is not a disruptive behavior.
So from that point of view, anyone who does not agree with the majority must just shut up? Someone else's response, breaks the rules, is it my friends fault? He made me do it? Someone says cons are best, I disagree. I am stirring the pot...... I post libs are best, someone disagrees, I am still stirring the pot? So if I do not agree , that the cons. are best, I am at fault, and disrupting the site?
Participation in discussions is not only encouraged, contrary or not, makes the forum interesting. But when, as these two have continually do, a post is purposely provocative posts to deliberately be disruptive and argumentative...it becomes Trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
example:Quote:
Sometimes the wife sees me smiling as I converse with you gentlemen, and asks why. I reply , ' I've really got them going today'.
I don't think anybody on this forum will let you decide what is a trolling post as your threads are hand picked to be provocative and stirring the pot. Maybe you should stop worrying about your "post count" and try and post more balanced threads. IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Thanks Gilly for providing a perfect example of your nonsense...appreciated..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
add I get another post count....golly it's my lucky Day HaHa...
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3(a). Personal insults, inappropriate or offensive content , the incitement of violence, or disrupting behaviours, which are detrimental to discussions in the forum will not be tolerated.
B) Is this message something that most members would like to read?
C) Does this message add value to this forum?
3(b). Personal attacks on members, cyber bullying, libel comments or bashing/slandering of businesses, organizations, individuals or corporations will not be tolerated. Threads deemed to be an attempt to "stir the pot" or are looking for support on their attack will be removed. If you have an issue with a particular organization, business or corporation, please contact them directly. If you have an issue with a particular member, please contact the administrator or a moderator.
Me spelling out for you what you do and what you are is not an insult its reality, take you own advice and contact a moderator if you have a problem with my post. Nobody is going to let you run the forum.
Why did I see this thread going down hill with the usual participants.
Who else would care? How is it going downhill? Two sides stating their opinions without name calling or slander, seems like a discussion to me.
I would recommend you join a forum for Liberals as this is a Hunting and Fishing Forum something you have never participated in. Which explains why your anti gun.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Until your 'friend' thought it was acceptable to interject with personal attacks....that's when discussions go bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
He doesn't seem to get it, so do us all a favour, PM him and explain it ...Thanks.
Comments like that , are what cause a thread to go bad. Quit trolling (rule 3,b),and, please keep on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Is hunting and fishing limited only to Conservatives? No Liberals allowed?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Many Liberals own guns and hunt and fish. New Democrats too. It is also quite possible to be a Conservative and support gun control and be in favour of gay marriage, reproductive choice and limits on free speech.
Not everyone fits into the little boxes imposed by the doctrinaire.
Your the prime Troller it is well known,
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
No point is he is here to solely troll and nothing else, he has admitted that in the past.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
Personal attacks are not allowed. Stay on topic.
Does that include you LOL
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Hard to believe you bunch are going at each other on Christmas day! God bless you all and Merry Christmas! :)
Christamas Day.??? Holly crap I was wondering why my morning news wasn't on, I just assumed I missed a day and it was Sat.. HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by TroutSlayer
I don’t mind the off topic section but I hate to see it get personal. Many ppl these days get easily offended. At the end of the day what feeling of accomplishment does one get pushing a Boulder up hill? We are entitled to our opinions, but everyone must remember that’s all it is, just an opinion. It’s not right, it’s not wrong, it’s yours.
Politics are and will forever be a sticky discussion. There’s no harm in debating them, but like sports it’s just your favourite team versus someone else’s. Never feel that you can change someone’s favourite team. No team is perfect either, so a bit of humble pie goes a long way. Oh, and Pride is just a 5 letter word, nothing more.
I do enjoy the more helpful off topic threads that don’t go political or get personal. I think it would be a shame to lose that content and forum.
I do think it’s slightly embarrassing that the forum is open to anyone to view. I would prefer to see it locked to just the members. This way the general public that do peruse this site won’t think we are all agitated and waiting to pounce. It does become a bit much after 20-30 pages of the same thing.
Just my thoughts.
Fantastic post BB. I agree with most of it. I would just like to add, that what I see, is the 'fans' of one team, trying to prevent the 'fans' of the other team from even being in the conversation. It's to disruptive. Only allowed to be fans of one team here. I agree it should be members only.
I thought you had a grasp of the concept...I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
If all you are doing is Trolling...purposing string the pot...and adding nothing of content to the discussion...then don't bother. And that is why there are community rules that request /require you don't.
It might be your right to voice your opinion..but the forum has the right to stifle it.
Like Meghan said...familiarise yourself with the rules. If you know your post is going to, and I quote you " I've really got them going today'" content, it's a pretty good indicator that it's against the rules.
You are correct, the forum mods 'can stifle', it. Not the members who disagree with your view. To post something that other members might disagree with is not, stirring the pot, or trolling. It is voicing an opinion, if others are 'triggered' by that opinion, who's fault is that? I will say again, if someone says the cons are best ,and I say no, they are not. Are you are saying that I am trolling? Could that not be said of the poster that said cons. are the best? Trolling for a reaction from the other team? When they post their comments, pro con, do they just expect everyone to agree and nod their heads? Do only those with a majority view , get to speak? Because otherwise it is to disruptive. I don't usually agree with Mosq. but he gets it.
I see you edited out the part I agreed with :But in regards to your comment "Quote:
"You are correct, the forum 'can stifle', it."
You're failing to acknowledge or accept that the forum has moderators who are from the membership (volunteers who understand the rules and apply them when appropriate) and by the membership itself that has the ability to also voice their opinion on what you post (flaging a post).Quote:
" Not the members who disagree with your view."
So yes the majority can rule what is posted, regardless if you think what you posted was adding to the discussion. They can decide if it was trolling or violating one of the other rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeghanOOD
Then it becomes: do 'we' close the Off Topic forum or moderate is more diligently to 'stifle' the 'instigators' that cause the problems...
As was quoted earlier :
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“The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!”
― Brian Cox
If Gilly and fishcan speak in the forest, are they still wrong?
If I was to put politics and society into a game category, it would be baseball.
And just like baseball, it can draw fans that aren't diehards for either side.
Unfortunately the umpire in this game is the media.
They're currently refusing to call balls and strikes evenly and they'll avoid calling obvious out's on the left while creating out's for the right.
One would never tolerate watching a real game like that let alone playing in one. But here we are....
So if you're wondering why a fan of the left can't fit into a conversation of 9 opposing fans, it's because the nine opposing fans were actually watching the game while the left fan only listens to the game on the radio.
When they do try to join the conversation all they do is point to the scoreboard and laugh, ignoring how their team is getting favorable statistics.
No game or society or even a forum topic can function that way.
Despite the banter I've learned a hell of a lot in the off-topic section to be honest.
It's one of the few places I can go to read like-minded individuals perspective on what's going on in today's upside down world.
I'd like to thank everyone here that contributes and are simply looking for truth, we're in desperate need of it.
And in this thread, of all threads...................Unfortunate, but predictable and illustrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by TroutSlayer
The take away for me, is
1) It can happen anywhere, in any forum, any topic...
2) It doesn't take "much" to knock a thread off the rails.
People can think whatever they want of me, don't much care. My tolerance is zero, has been for a long time..I think I created my sig, years and years ago.
Unfortunate, but entirely predictable.
Interesting to see what has been getting said.... no one is forcing anyone to use that section yet there are some crying it should be gone even though only members that are logged in can see it....
They kind of fit Aldous Huxley’s indictment, “Most of one’s life... is one prolonged effort to prevent thinking,” or perhaps even...
"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it" - George Orwell
While the others are split into the camp that would fit best or those that seem to be nothing more than dedicated trolls or fiction spinners...
"Truth eludes us if we do not pursue it with constant attention." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
and there are three quotes in this post that were together in my notes from a writer who got infinitely wiser as he got older ...
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."- G. Orwell
Just recently when Pierre P. made a comment about the Liberal's wanting to censor the internet a top Liberal voiced his support for that censorship... I suspect it isn't the whole Off Topic more the Political section that some want shut off more than discussions on COVID and BBQs even if they don't have to go themselves and the are like that Liberal MP and perfectly fit in the first group.
"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it" - George Orwell
Back to Judges suggest with my revision ... limit it to say 5 posts per thread or per day. There is probably a property setting that can be set in the forum to block people from some categories, that is as far as I would say SHOULD (some idiot will always go further than SHOULD) be needed.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell
Depends on who's campfire it is and how much scotch is involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
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Originally Posted by Bushmoose
and if the tribe is asking them to snuff their torches Haha..Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Why?
It is important to discuss things like Trudeau kissing the of the UN and the World Economic Forum - because the CBC never does.
Or is it because those running OOD Forum don't want these things exposed?
Like the dangers of the vaccine and the communist plan for Canada.
That was always my stance, that obliterating the Off Topic was censorship to an extreme. In the end, a solid vote is the most reasonable option.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldtimer
In the end, TS, the votes for the Off Topic to remain are always higher. Surely these are the numbers you're referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by TroutSlayer
The people voted to keep it so we should keep it - but I may have to get my lawyer to look into it and see if there was any voter fraud..... just kidding you know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MeghanOOD
This is the reason why!!!! 3 posts in.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Quote Originally Posted by Gilroy View Post:
I think any of us on here the last decade or so knows the Off Topic section is a sounding board for a certain political party. They will try to migrate into other threads which are political hot buttons (firearms), we just need the moderators to keep things in line on these other sections.
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Exactly Gilroy. There are many liberals here hiding in the closet. I'm one. Appreciate you speaking up for us. I stick to dogs/fishing and hunting so you are on your own. :)
Sad.... I hope they spend more time there....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
There is a cure for ignorance ...
"Truth eludes us if we do not pursue it with constant attention." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
and that ignorance once cure should result in their no longer being accomplices in the current government's actions....
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell
‘ Just because you believe it , doesn’t make it true’.....Albert Einstein.
True, just like Mao, Stalin, Castro, Al Capone etc. there are those that will follow the corrupt right to their deaths in infamy.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I think you missed THE DONALD off your list, lock him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Mao,Stalin,Castro.....and Trump. Hahaha right that makes sense.
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Remember he advocates for a liar, woman groper, ethics violating admirer of dictatorships. Avoiding the topic, distracting from the topic and making up things is the usual tactic for so many like him..making sense isn't a requirement for the left, reality, morals and ethics are their problems, not the solutions to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by boddah
Liar woman groping ethics violator. Got it. Now I see how he will go down in history as those others.
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https://youtu.be/wDYNVH0U3cs
The only thing funnier than this person is the poster of Mussolini in the back. Haha I’m out
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I agree Trump fits exactly into this description. Next.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
He will go down in history as the guy who will cake walk the next election because the Con,s can't get their chit together and come up with an alternative leader who reflects the values of modern day Canadians, plain and simple. Erin is so busy shooting himself in the foot with divisive politics all the Liberals need do is sit back and watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by boddah
Yes but you are supporting a guy (Trudeau) who has sexually assaulted women, do you believe it is acceptable to Sexually assault women?
Why does the public accept this known rapist.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
GW provide the me with one evidence based source for this statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Still waiting GW. Maybe you should try Alexa.
If you recall Trudeau said he felt different about it.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
"Yes but you are supporting a guy (Trudeau) who has sexually assaulted women, do you believe it is acceptable to Sexually assault women?
Why does the public accept this known rapist."
The question posed GW is provide evidence of your claim above.
You will be waiting a very long time. Evidence does not exist.
Inappropriate unwanted touching aka sexual assault or groping which ever you prefer. Of a young female reporter Rose knight back in 2000 and reported on by cbc news so that should reassure the leftists that it did happen as they believe everything that the cbc reports. Cheers.
Go to politics, way off topic.
Leave the off topics and GET RID OF THE TROLLS ....... and maybe you would have some of the decent membership come around more often...........or keep the trolls and keep your low forum numbers.......really is a joke.......you suggest adding more mods........you only have 15 or less members using the forum regularly anymore.........why not make everyone a moderator......:whacked:.......see you in another six months when I check in again......see if you have woke up and actually dealt with the real issues around here.
Well said, many of the good members who left feel the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
Yup totally agree. What a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
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Get the real story. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what...alleged-grope/
1. Since there seems to be a generalized acceptance that any post that does not fully support a Conservative point of view is trolling or “stirring the pot”, maybe the more important question should be:
How many non-Cons actually avoid posting PERSONAL OPINION because they know they will be shot down?
How is that conducive to discussion?
2. Many members on many forums (I have moderated on a number of forums over the years - different subject matter) never post. Post counts do not equal dedication to subject matter.
To the original question of this thread — keep off topic
So..... 47 votes, with 33 people voicing why they voted and 15 of them only speaking once about their reasoning. 110 responses so far in total with 6 people being responsible for half the responses. Kinda looks like some members do try to push their agendas a lot more then others, but I do still find most of the posts informative.
The main thing, in my humble opinion is that the right forum is used for the right topics and the OP doesn't get his thread derailed by bickering or arguing done by others on the thread.
Off Topic will always be important for this and if you don't like a topic, don't read it. If you don't like a poster, block them. Do not expect a mod to give you a back rub and a soft caress every time you go in snowflake mode.
(This post is not meant to offend any snowflakes)
John
'Shot down' is acceptable if done respectfully , insults of a personal nature about the poster and their family are not.
And of course Facts trump Left Wing versions of the story ...
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The facts are these: in August 2000, Trudeau was the subject of an editorial in the Creston Valley Advance, a local B.C. paper. The former prime minister’s son—then a 28-year-old high school teacher two months from delivering a stirring eulogy at his father’s funeral—was upbraided for reportedly touching one of the paper’s female reporters (“groped” and “inappropriate handling,” according to the paper) at the Kokanee Summit, a music festival. Trudeau apologized “a day late” to the unnamed journalist, the editorial stated, who was also reporting for the National Post and Vancouver Sun. Trudeau is quoted: “I’m sorry. If I had known you were reporting for a national paper I would never have been so forward.”
The initial description of the incident, as per the resurfaced, unsigned “Open Eyes” editorial in the Advance, accused Trudeau of “groping” and “inappropriately handling” of the reporter on assignment. And while the publisher has since suggested it was “a very brief touch” on Knight’s backside, her then-supervisors—who both corroborated Knight’s account and vouched for her excellent reputation and solid character—
The troubling power dynamic underlining Trudeau’s 2000 statement—”If I had known you were reporting for a national paper I would never have been so forward”—that conceded unwanted behaviour had occurred is again on display. If the woman was so affected by an alleged interaction with Trudeau that it become the subject of an angry newspaper editorial, it’s safe to say it was “negative” from her point of view. And her point of view is what matters here, not what Trudeau “doesn’t think.” It’s not about him. Anyone sensitive to the nuances of reporting about any form of personal assault should know that.
A bigger one, of course, is that any admission on the Prime Minister’s part would subject him to the high standards of behaviour he demands from others. The fact he refuses to make himself accountable to those very standards is why the “Kokanee Grope” matters.
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Originally Posted by C.A. in TO
Exactly; if you post an 'opinion' that can be debated there is no indication that discussions don't work. If it gets shot down, chances are your opinion failed to live up to the (members) scrutiny and was probably based on less than facts. That is not a problem of the forum or the membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
WRONG. I don't think you fully understand what a troll is. For the most part I believe most members here don't have an issue with someone who has a differing opinion. That's not the case here however. There are 3 members here who continually wait for every opportunity to intentionally stir the pot and hijack threads no matter the topic and regardless if they even believe what they post so long as it disrupts the forum. To anyone who has been here for any amount of time it should be obvious, as is the fact that one in particular never contributes anything to the hunting and fishing topics of this forum and just hides in the wings looking for his opportunity to get everyone wound up with his self serving posts. He's gone so far to even admit it thinking he was being funny. I can guarantee you one thing, if those three were to stop their trolling this forum would take a leap in members actually contributing to topics and even starting their own threads, of this there is no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.A. in TO
Cheers
Well said....:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
I agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
I believe I have gone over your past history of postings and can probably count scores of posts where you have personally attacked me and other members and have stirred the pot by constantly demanding that some members be ostracized or sent to Coventry.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
So SIR you have encouraged members to place other members on an IGNORE LIST, you actually have me on your ignore list and I am sure others, but you seem to always want to IGNORE your own IGNORE LIST.
You do not own the forum its a public forum and you do not get to order or advise others as to your wishes.
If you cannot handle the back and forth of debating simply do not engage.
"You know --------- it's one thing to not agree with someone's point of view but you really demean yourself when all you can do is insult them. If you don't want to read his posts why don't you just block him instead of making a fool of yourself because that's what you're looking like lately."
Maybe you should heed your own advice?
No, but more moderation is certainly needed
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...70#post1139470Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
As anticipated, 3/4 of voters prefer to keep the Off Topic section intact. We urge those who do not enjoy the Off Topic to not partake. In addition, we'll be recruiting more moderators to help with housekeeping. If you're interested in becoming a moderator, please see the link above for further information. ^ Thank you.