Libertarian Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFHD4lyQj5U


A full 16 minutes of explaining how they do not like big government and to much taxes, but would be happy to take the taxpayer's money if they got 2% of the vote and then the quarterly allowances.:ashamed:

Did you know we would also keep the Public Education and OHIP services as well - only we would put the funds in the hands of parents/people and they would choose what services they kept either public or private. This way the people would control the outcomes and expectations, not politicians or Unions. Our goal would be to create a competitive market in which the service providers had to compete for your (parents/taxpayers) business and funds. That is how you create excellence through competition.

Gilroy with your track record and comments on here the more you say something is bad the more it makes me think its actually good!

All kidding aside, the Libertarian party has definetely got my attention based off the track records of the rest of all other Canadian parties as of late

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Originally Posted by kokes

Gilroy with your track record and comments on here the more you say something is bad the more it makes me think its actually good!

All kidding aside, the Libertarian party has definetely got my attention based off the track records of the rest of all other Canadian parties as of late

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Your welcome, listen I think we need to look at all alternatives and figure out what we might like. I had a little trouble understanding how the speaker in the video would go about things and now line has elaborated on it, which is great.

Libertarian Party has my attention,too. I'm a big supporter of less government in all aspects of private life.

I encourage all those that think that the Libertarian Party is the answer to vote that way.
But it won't take votes from the Liberals or NDP.
The right has kept dividing itself. :confused:

Definition of Insanity?

I am considering letting my membership to the Con party go. And joining the Libertarian. Possibly even running.

My “problem”, being more of a centrist, is somethings are a little too extreme for me.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Definition of Insanity?

I am considering letting my membership to the Con party go. And joining the Libertarian. Possibly even running.

My “problem”, being more of a centrist, is somethings are a little too extreme for me.

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Yep,but,we have to bear in mind that every political party has it's own fair share of "extremists" be they leftist socialist/communists or far right wing whack jobs.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Yep,but,we have to bear in mind that every political party has it's own fair share of "extremists" be they leftist socialist/communists or far right wing whack jobs.

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Exactly, we have our own microcosm of that right here on the forum.

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Utopia will never exist.
And I believe most parties do some good, some bad, with the rare all bad.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Utopia will never exist.
And I believe most parties do some good, some bad, with the rare all bad.

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The trick is to keep the marginal mediocre parties from descending into radicalism and destroying your country.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

The trick is to keep the marginal mediocre parties from descending into radicalism and destroying your country.

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Trudeau has done an excellent job at destroying our country, and he has much more to do yet.

I don't think there is any more radicalism party then the Turd Reich.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Trudeau has done an excellent job at destroying our country, and he has much more to do yet.

I don't think there is any more radicalism party then the Turd Reich.

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He does seem to be using every opportunity and chance to do damage and spin things, I saw he mentioned an election again... guess he thinks he can get a majority ... seems like he is trying to create even more crises to take more freedoms and create his favourite government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk

Reminds me of something in preface of The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn ... even with the current gov't in power it is required reading in school .... I wish it was here. Maybe I will add a topic on suggested required reading one day. I may have to think about that.

Back on topic, the Libertarians would do a much better job than the current lot and probably even better than the current Conservatives there are a few points I would never vote for them and you have to vote where there is an opportunity to get as close to your ideal, Libs and NDP... ethics, spending, corruption, SNC... farthest from what I would want of parties that can get in power... Communist isn't much farther left but is unlikely. In the better direction is the Conservatives even with the current leadership.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Reminds me of something in preface of The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn ... even with the current gov't in power it is required reading in school .... I wish it was here. Maybe I will add a topic on suggested required reading one day. I may have to think about that.

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I was working in a MB Hydro Electric project up on the Churchill River back in 74 with my cousin who was a History major. He had the "Gulag Archipelago' series on this book shelve. Due to the long winter and virtually no TV, I had an opportunity to at least peruse them. I can't say I 'read' them, I was too young at the time to fully understand what I was reading and it's significance, I got enough out of them to understand what atrocities man was capable of.

Years later saw a filmed documentary on the Camps and got an even better picture. Your right though, it should be required reading.

I would add Ordinary Men, I haven't read it yet and it sounds in the same "what man is capable of" category, the unicorns and rainbows utopia worlders need to realize the realities, then we can start to make progress. To paraphrase Jordan Peterson if a man doesn't realize there is evil and what men are capable of then they can't understand what is needed to live as a civilization.
https://bookfrom.net/christopher-r-b...inary_men.html

Both federally and Provincially the end goal of Libertarians is self directed choices with your own funds. They recognize that, this won't be a switch overnight, and it will begin with taxation being kept in place to 1.) help pay off the deficits, 2.) severely reduce government, 3.) open up markets by deregulating industry (and all the subsidies), 4.) providing total control over current tax dollars choice in services they wish to receive, 5.) Flat taxes (go hand in hand reduction in government, and reduce corporate taxes to next to nothing to ensure job creators (business), choose to locate in Canada. Ideally over time and will a majority amend the Constitution to return property rights, self defence, defence of property, free speech to Canadians. This would include reforming the justice to ensure rights (property/person) are respected, which would lead to less police presence, less jail time, less state, beginning with decriminalizing all drugs, and providing support to mental health and drug addictions.

IT is not a perfect party and platforms differ at both the provincial level and federal levels, but both levels believe in property/person rights over any state intervention solutions - people always do better at looking after themselves better then the state.

For the Ontario Party we are gearing up for candidate selection now (I am running in SDG) for 2022 and tweaking the 2018 platform for release.

www.libertarian.on.ca

www.libertarian.ca

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Originally Posted by JBen

Definition of Insanity?

I am considering letting my membership to the Con party go. And joining the Libertarian. Possibly even running.

My “problem”, being more of a centrist, is somethings are a little too extreme for me.

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The early years on tours in Bosnia including the first tour - was all I needed to see first hand how man's ability (overnight), to be inhumane to fellow mankind (peoplekind for FC), and it was never the fellow soldiers (death and cruelty was expected) - it was the women and children who bore the brunt of inhumanity.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

I would add Ordinary Men, I haven't read it yet and it sounds in the same "what man is capable of" category, the unicorns and rainbows utopia worlders need to realize the realities, then we can start to make progress. To paraphrase Jordan Peterson if a man doesn't realize there is evil and what men are capable of then they can't understand what is needed to live as a civilization.
https://bookfrom.net/christopher-r-b...inary_men.html

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The Libertarian Party serves an important political purpose in Canada. It give bigots, phony ideologues, conspiracy kooks and other emotionally and intellectually-stunted undesirables a place to go after they throw a hissy fit and stomp out in a huff from the CPC. The Peoples Party of Canada serves a similar purpose. Thankfully neither stand a hope in hell of getting an MP elected much less form a government.

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Originally Posted by FIXED the LIES

The LIbEral Party serves an important political purpose in Canada. It give bigots, phony ideologues, conspiracy kooks and other emotionally and intellectually-stunted undesirables a place to go after they throw a hissy fit and stomp out in a huff from the NDP. The Green Party of Canada serves a similar purpose. Hopefully with the next election there is no hope in hell of getting an MP elected much less form a government.

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You made a mistake ... there I fixed it. I mean just look at this shallow silly socked bigot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po

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Originally Posted by mosquito

You made a mistake ... there I fixed it. I mean just look at this shallow silly socked bigot.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po

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Typical Libertarian behavior. If silly stunts and being politically inconsequential and meaningless are what you are looking for it's the party for you. But if that's what you aspire to the Rhinoceros Party would be a better choice but membership in it generally requires a sense of humour and that is most definitely a quality absent in most Libertarians.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Typical Libertarian behavior. If silly stunts and being politically inconsequential and meaningless are what you are looking for it's the party for you. But if that's what you aspire to the Rhinoceros Party would be a better choice but membership in it generally requires a sense of humour and that is most definitely a quality absent in most Libertarians.

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Personal attacks, anger, delusional attitudes, lies, ... presented with facts, evidence and the requirement to think... and that's your attitude, sad I hope your mental and moral issues are looked at and fixed someday.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The Libertarian Party serves an important political purpose in Canada. It give bigots, phony ideologues, conspiracy kooks and other emotionally and intellectually-stunted undesirables a place to go after they throw a hissy fit and stomp out in a huff from the CPC. The Peoples Party of Canada serves a similar purpose. Thankfully neither stand a hope in hell of getting an MP elected much less form a government.

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You keep working on your hate speech and we'll look after trying to have you removed. Ok? its your game we're playing!
What do say folks, could we do without badenoch here. He's had more than enough opportunities to clean up his act.
I realize this game might lead to my removal but dam it feels good to think i can have power.

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Originally Posted by onelessarrow

You keep working on your hate speech and we'll look after trying to have you removed. Ok? its your game we're playing!
What do say folks, could we do without badenoch here. He's had more than enough opportunities to clean up his act.
I realize this game might lead to my removal but dam it feels good to think i can have power.

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If the sum total of your "power" is hoping to remove a poster with whom you disagree from an internet forum then that is quite sad.

If however you wish to make a meaningful contribution to politics and government in our nation it is done through mainstream political parties not a fringe party of little consequence. To be involved with a party that has a chance of electing MPs or MPPs and even form a government means you cannot indulge yourself in extreme policies that stand no chance of public acceptance, accept that compromising your views may be required and understand you may have to work with people who have different opinions on issues.

If that is unacceptable to you then fringe parties is where you belong and you will spend all of your efforts being ideologically righteous but looking in from the outside while other people make the decisions that affect your life.

Your call.

I see you can use your vocabulary appropriately when you want to. Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

If the sum total of your "power" is hoping to remove a poster with whom you disagree from an internet forum then that is quite sad.

If however you wish to make a meaningful contribution to politics and government in our nation it is done through mainstream political parties not a fringe party of little consequence. To be involved with a party that has a chance of electing MPs or MPPs and even form a government means you cannot indulge yourself in extreme policies that stand no chance of public acceptance, accept that compromising your views may be required and understand you may have to work with people who have different opinions on issues.

If that is unacceptable to you then fringe parties is where you belong and you will spend all of your efforts being ideologically righteous but looking in from the outside while other people make the decisions that affect your life.

Your call.

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Let's see.... pop open the old notepad... maybe the top half and shorten some sections, maybe that will make my point but reality won't get in the way of a Liberal's posturing.

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Trudeau

Lies
Budgets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY3I2ewuxQ0
Citizenship/Monsef - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=884673624998451
COVID warning - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cor...uhan-1.5528381
Lying to Children - http://brianlilley.com/trudeau-lies-...n-gets-caught/
Firearms - https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-smuggled-guns
Sexual misbehaviour - https://time.com/5328843/canadian-pr...ping-reporter/
("saw it different....")
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Violations of ethics and Agha Khan island - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_yd...layer_embedded
Summary of Lies - https://www.facebook.com/AndrewSchee...54650435527083

Attitude toward criminal/terrorists
Admires dictatorship that would send tanks to run over students etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk
murderer gets vets payments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=004m8Q9VXIc
X
Behaviour/Ethics
Ethics commissioner denied access SNC https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...lavalin-affair
Quebecers are better than the rest - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po
Elbowgate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBwTb6mhdRE
refusal to anwer questions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtOwt-sITY
Attendance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVzRaM_6Wgo
Disdain for small businesses - https://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/2...small-business
Conflict of Interest - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kpm...urer-1.4115692
Media view "Liberals are disgusting", murderers benefits - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=004m8Q9VXIc
RCMP probe blocked https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ics-corruption
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Psychologist view of Trudeau - ideological answers & Peter Pan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzwLrSdqDgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87U2fcT9cQc
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Well, I have a bunch on the NDP in that text file and some on the Conservatives... based on the evidence righteous or ethically concerned people can't be Liberal's and based on more in that text file, the NDP that's for sure. So based on your view those that care about righteousness and ethics then though the Conservatives have some flaws but so do the fringe but righteous or ethically caring people would tend to gravitate towards those parties ....

But they don't appeal to you...
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

So why is it you like the LIbErals?

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The Libertarian Party serves an important political purpose in Canada. It give bigots, phony ideologues, conspiracy kooks and other emotionally and intellectually-stunted undesirables a place to go after they throw a hissy fit and stomp out in a huff from the CPC. The Peoples Party of Canada serves a similar purpose. Thankfully neither stand a hope in hell of getting an MP elected much less form a government.

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Libertarians are intelligent enough to know, budgets don't balance themselves...lol
You have to be intellectually-stunted much more to vote for a leader who tell his people that kind of idiocy lmao.
Like the carbon tax is going to stop global warming..lmfao

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Let's see.... pop open the old notepad... maybe the top half and shorten some sections, maybe that will make my point but reality won't get in the way of a Liberal's posturing.

Well, I have a bunch on the NDP in that text file and some on the Conservatives... based on the evidence righteous or ethically concerned people can't be Liberal's and based on more in that text file, the NDP that's for sure. So based on your view those that care about righteousness and ethics then though the Conservatives have some flaws but so do the fringe but righteous or ethically caring people would tend to gravitate towards those parties ....

But they don't appeal to you...
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

So why is it you like the LIbErals?

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If you don't like the Liberal Party of Canada and want to do something about it then join the CPC and work for your local candidate. If you value your vote use it where it may achieve your desired result instead of foolishly pissing it away on the Libertarian or any other fringe party.

The CPC isn't perfect but it is the best chance available to us to change the government.

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"2. Controversial, religious or political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative will be removed without warning."

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My problem with this is a reminder instead of an action.
Far too much politics here that are not directly related outdoors, hunting and fishing.
Just stirs up crap.

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

My problem with this is a reminder instead of an action.
Far too much politics here that are not directly related outdoors, hunting and fishing.
Just stirs up crap.

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It is in the politics forum though, so very easy to avoid all together.

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

My problem with this is a reminder instead of an action.
Far too much politics here that are not directly related outdoors, hunting and fishing.
Just stirs up crap.

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Easily avoided .... However in what way doesn't the government in power, their ethics and integrity and their decisions affect hunting and fishing? We have a current gov't that is planning on seizing a huge number of firearms, impose more taxes, there are already travel restrictions. So probably many guides/shops/resorts etc. will be out of business by spring. Heck if you believe Justlied Trudeau at his word and he is actually trying for the 2030 World Economic Forum plan within 10 years they will have seized all personal property and privacy will be a thing of the past... read what they have on their webpage and think the book 1984, so money, possessions, environment, taxes, privacy, travel, businesses all impacted ... to think that there is no affect means you need to look at the scope and impact because you really need to think about reality ... or you want that future. Personally I don't like their no privacy and "you will own nothing and be happy" crap!

I find it frightening that you... hold these views and unsupported allegations you make. But you see, the socialists and communists need to make enemies out of those who seek more freedoms, less government, more individualism of property and self directed outcomes over your utopian, dystopic views of a controlled, regulated and managed individual life. It is those views, that you impose on people - who are historically the people who cry/lie loudest of often guilty of the same actions they accuse others of. Say it loud, say it often and the people will believe you - Dr Joseph Goebbels - Nazi Propagandist, and the deliverer of the "The Solution".

You sir - are the problem with society and your ideals that stand in the face of every person, immigrant, soldier who have built this country of Canada, and representation of freedom and democracy. A country that was founded to leave behind the state controls of Monarchy in England (to a small degree).

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The Libertarian Party serves an important political purpose in Canada. It give bigots, phony ideologues, conspiracy kooks and other emotionally and intellectually-stunted undesirables a place to go after they throw a hissy fit and stomp out in a huff from the CPC. The Peoples Party of Canada serves a similar purpose. Thankfully neither stand a hope in hell of getting an MP elected much less form a government.

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Originally Posted by line052

Both federally and Provincially the end goal of Libertarians is self directed choices with your own funds. They recognize that, this won't be a switch overnight, and it will begin with taxation being kept in place to 1.) help pay off the deficits, 2.) severely reduce government, 3.) open up markets by deregulating industry (and all the subsidies), 4.) providing total control over current tax dollars choice in services they wish to receive, 5.) Flat taxes (go hand in hand reduction in government, and reduce corporate taxes to next to nothing to ensure job creators (business), choose to locate in Canada. Ideally over time and will a majority amend the Constitution to return property rights, self defence, defence of property, free speech to Canadians. This would include reforming the justice to ensure rights (property/person) are respected, which would lead to less police presence, less jail time, less state, beginning with decriminalizing all drugs, and providing support to mental health and drug addictions.

IT is not a perfect party and platforms differ at both the provincial level and federal levels, but both levels believe in property/person rights over any state intervention solutions - people always do better at looking after themselves better then the state.

For the Ontario Party we are gearing up for candidate selection now (I am running in SDG) for 2022 and tweaking the 2018 platform for release.

www.libertarian.on.ca

www.libertarian.ca

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I'm curious to know what is the party's game plan to confront the corrupt knowledge providers. I don't see how you can gain a foothold on truth without a plan, all but assuring your message will be distorted to weak minded.

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I find it frightening that you... hold these views and unsupported allegations you make. But you see, the socialists and communists need to make enemies out of those who seek more freedoms, less government, more individualism of property and self directed outcomes over your utopian, dystopic views of a controlled, regulated and managed individual life. It is those views, that you impose on people - who are historically the people who cry/lie loudest of often guilty of the same actions they accuse others of. Say it loud, say it often and the people will believe you - Dr Joseph Goebbels - Nazi Propagandist, and the deliverer of the "The Solution".

You sir - are the problem with society and your ideals that stand in the face of every person, immigrant, soldier who have built this country of Canada, and representation of freedom and democracy. A country that was founded to leave behind the state controls of Monarchy in England (to a small degree).

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We agree on one thing. You are frightened. Seems a natural state for you.

You don't scare me one bit. But like most Libertarians you are a source of frequent amusement.

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You don't scare me one bit. But like most Libertarians you are a source of frequent amusement.

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You don't scare anyone of us either.
Your intelligent liberal leader is a source of frequent amusement.
Makes one wonder what kind of IQ it would take to support this kind of intelligent leadership.?.lol
https://youtu.be/LMJ8UJ8wEiY

I'm actually probably closer to Libertarian, but there is no way they would ever get elected that is the problem. Even if every single gun owner (including Fisher and Gilroy) voted Libertarian that would amount to just under 2%. My best bet are the Conservatives.

My old man a life long Liberal actually voted Harper when Trudeau first ran and cannot believe the damaged that person has done to Canada. In case you didn't know my old man was the highest in the CIBC east of Ontario. As my old man said the damage is done and the next generations will have very poor quality of lives compare to his or my generation. Their quality of life will most likely drop by 50%.

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You don't scare anyone of us either.
Your intelligent liberal leader is a source of frequent amusement.
Makes one wonder what kind of IQ it would take to support this kind of intelligent leadership.?.lol
https://youtu.be/LMJ8UJ8wEiY

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Never underestimate the intelligence or the evil of some men and the damage a dedicated group can "accomplish".... I listened to Yeon-mi Park on Jordan Peterson's daughter's (Mikhaila Peterson) youtube page and it was quite horrific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25NnmCyjpm4 (North Korean went where the lights were to get food)
and I saw another interview I am listening too.... may as well post it here too. About 35 minutes she starts talking about what China was like for her... at 43/44 minutes her first encounters with have a choice and freedom and the fear of that. Her courage in the face of the evil she has seen is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za34H-dT8I0

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I'm actually probably closer to Libertarian, but there is no way they would ever get elected that is the problem. Even if every single gun owner (including Fisher and Gilroy) voted Libertarian that would amount to just under 2%. My best bet are the Conservatives.

My old man a life long Liberal actually voted Harper when Trudeau first ran and cannot believe the damaged that person has done to Canada. In case you didn't know my old man was the highest in the CIBC east of Ontario. As my old man said the damage is done and the next generations will have very poor quality of lives compare to his or my generation. Their quality of life will most likely drop by 50%.

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That's my fear too lol.

Well said

Great sounding party but needs time to build I feel the same. Only time will tell .

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You don't scare anyone of us either.
Your intelligent liberal leader is a source of frequent amusement.
Makes one wonder what kind of IQ it would take to support this kind of intelligent leadership.?.lol

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Not my leader, not my party. My leader is Erin O'Toole.

I do seem to frighten at least one of you. He even admitted it. LOL.

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Not my leader, not my party. My leader is Erin O'Toole.

I do seem to frighten at least one of you. He even admitted it. LOL.

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If it was about me, yes I fear for the future of our next generations wil have to suffer lol.

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Defining what are corrupt knowledge leaders is the issue. All corruption begins with government funded science, education, healthcare, and laws to a lesser degree (example EMA - restriction directly contravene the CORF - however the SC has determined limits can exists for governments to impose limits, these allow, grant, give, permit the state to take your money and restrict rights). SO those are not RIGHTS as defined in the Section 2 of CORF, just simple plebs permissions to exist at whim of state - now shut up and get back into your lockdown cage.

Back to point - anytime the state provides, owns, controls or regulates a service it is subject to cronyism and corruption from lobbyists. I will use climate change study findings as one example - if you want funding/grants to disprove a theory good luck, it won't happen - if want funding/grants to support the government initiatives - lots of it. NAFTA (now USMCA) is the supreme example of cronyism and corruption - my case in point I give in lectures - If I won 200 billion dollars tomorrow and decided to build a $5000 Car/EV and brought it to market - I could not sell that car in North American Markets. You see the lobbyists have made sure only there're brand of product has been included in USMCA and no other product can compete in the market.

This is the fundamental issue with Capitalism - which it is not in NA - It is crony-capitalism which is the anti-thesis of free markets, now you can apply that to all government services and the regulations that keep the state in total ownership and control of goods and services. That means healthcare and education and free market competition for goods and services to be sold are not. The simplest example I can illustrate is last month a two private homes were raided and seized in Ottawa in the Indo/Pakistani community - for the crime of... selling samosa, curry, and other Indian foods off Facebook. The state didn't know or care until the local cultural community center started losing business and found them online. They offered good products at a cheaper price. Now the left will decries, oh the poison, the cleanliness, the standards, the licenses, the permits (they will whine, this is what is wrong with the system), the system profits off the license fees, hires local inspectors (taxation for fees and business taxes) and state says your ok to sell...the authority says what you put into your mouth based on their permission. I say, to heck with the state and I will judge the food provider on my wants, price and needs and word of mouth from other customers.

The state in all cases does not care to act until a complaint is received, it only cares about compliance to pay for the privilege to play in the field.

Healthcare - why can't we have the right to pick a private supplier (with my tax dollars) - because legally it is against the law (except QC - they do what they want - good for them for not signing the 1984 constitution) Also, if people have choice - then the concept of taxation "for the greater good" dies...it must be protected all costs, all attempts must be crushed completely to keep the state taxation and control in place to maintain the semblance of state provided only choice. It is not the unions that fear us deregulating these services and offering people choice (BTW - I would stick with OHIP as state provided- if given the choice and funds to do so). IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that fears us - as they no longer are in control of outcomes, and can no longer dangle "solutions" during elections. They can influence unions, or voters. Unions will grow stronger under a free market.

Education is same mantra as healthcare - people have been conditioned to believe in the state will provide and most think this is all free - the state government finances on 01 April each $0.00 and they must take/steal from you and businesses first to make promises of how they can fix problems with your money. Because you are TOO STUPID to make choices for yourself - including a state service choice - That is the governments view on your critical thinking ability.

A good analogy to teach your kids about taxation is this - Agree with child to pay them $10.00 to pick up the dog poop in backyard and place in garbage bag. Once they are done have 10 loonies on the table ready to pay them - when they reach for the $10.00 they earned by contract - quickly remove 4 loonies and say nothing - when they question why you took their money - tell them - I took because I know how better to spent that money your earned then you do. They will be mad and decry foul - amp it further and say- listen - I took your money because I know you like chips, so I will buy them for you with your money and give them to you - but I dont like chips anymore kids says..., I like nerds - then you say to bad - I say you want chips.

If you are still reading - then the summary - in the 1970s as government started to get social they started to really push money to private sector and innovation seemed to stop in the research and development that brought us to the moon, because government started to interfere more with free markets with ownership of regulations and issuance of contracts to move the private sector. It has expanded 1000's of time since then to point of stifling free markets through regulations and controls. Nothing happens in private sector for innovations unless an RFP is issued (for the most part, NASA is good example - compared Space X)

As a result of taxation (increased 30% since 1972 in Canada both personal and business), deeper control of private markets, with regulations, taxes, controlled markets and the blue collar work does not exist anymore - perfect example of that is NAFTA and taxation, along with higher taxes have drove those jobs offshore and killed all those jobs in manufacturing - Wynne move to $14 per hour, caused a tidal wave of relocations across the border.

The state is always the problem and we need to bring jobs and manufacturing back to Canada who is rich in resources to do so, but it will take heavy reductions in government red tape and less taxation to achieve that workforce again. If I was elected - I would have a zero tax for corporations to locate to Canada, and encourage Provinces and Municipalities to do the same - although anti libertarian in message and meaning - it would create jobs, people can pay taxes for consumption lifestyles, and reduce that people tax rate to a flat tax of 15% - but I WILL unapologetically gut government to live within our means and pay down deficits- only then could you further reduce that 15%, but not until.

Another point to ponder - if the left is constantly caring about the poor - why over the last 40 yrs have they not eliminated taxation for people making under 22K - because they can attack each other to score points and empower those voting blocks..they need them to be poor to vote for them. And the sheep keep sleeping.

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I'm curious to know what is the party's game plan to confront the corrupt knowledge providers. I don't see how you can gain a foothold on truth without a plan, all but assuring your message will be distorted to weak minded.

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Unfortunately you are wrong - it because people keep thinking they are closer to libertarians, but continue to vote for the same parties - then question why nothing changes - because YOU didn't. I mean quite simply if we spilt the vote by 50%, the conservatives would have to change those policies that caused the vote split - to recapture those former conservative voters - that would result in internal policy changes and more traditional conservative conservatives. But because YOU dont change - they have no incentive to change either.

Where has Erin O'Toole been the since elected - silence/crickets - still reading polls afraid to make a sound - what happened to Drugged (Doug) Ford - gone down the path of polls with policies...lol. For the People - LOL - more like screw the people for polls and re-electability chances. He doesn't care about conservative rights - he only cares about getting re-elected - which began day 1 of term, June 19th 2018.

[QUOTE=greatwhite;1140991]I'm actually probably closer to Libertarian, but there is no way they would ever get elected that is the problem. QUOTE]

line 52. 'He doesn't care about conservative rights'.......... I did not know that there were separate rights for cons.

Division statement - typical - no party cares about your rights, is the only truth - except ours - as we will make sure they have more power and authority over state control.

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line 52. 'He doesn't care about conservative rights'.......... I did not know that there were separate rights for cons.

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Defining what are corrupt knowledge leaders is the issue. All corruption begins with government funded science, education, healthcare, and laws to a lesser degree (example EMA - restriction directly contravene the CORF - however the SC has determined limits can exists for governments to impose limits, these allow, grant, give, permit the state to take your money and restrict rights). SO those are not RIGHTS as defined in the Section 2 of CORF, just simple plebs permissions to exist at whim of state - now shut up and get back into your lockdown cage.

Back to point - anytime the state provides, owns, controls or regulates a service it is subject to cronyism and corruption from lobbyists. I will use climate change study findings as one example - if you want funding/grants to disprove a theory good luck, it won't happen - if want funding/grants to support the government initiatives - lots of it. NAFTA (now USMCA) is the supreme example of cronyism and corruption - my case in point I give in lectures - If I won 200 billion dollars tomorrow and decided to build a $5000 Car/EV and brought it to market - I could not sell that car in North American Markets. You see the lobbyists have made sure only there're brand of product has been included in USMCA and no other product can compete in the market.

This is the fundamental issue with Capitalism - which it is not in NA - It is crony-capitalism which is the anti-thesis of free markets, now you can apply that to all government services and the regulations that keep the state in total ownership and control of goods and services. That means healthcare and education and free market competition for goods and services to be sold are not. The simplest example I can illustrate is last month a two private homes were raided and seized in Ottawa in the Indo/Pakistani community - for the crime of... selling samosa, curry, and other Indian foods off Facebook. The state didn't know or care until the local cultural community center started losing business and found them online. They offered good products at a cheaper price. Now the left will decries, oh the poison, the cleanliness, the standards, the licenses, the permits (they will whine, this is what is wrong with the system), the system profits off the license fees, hires local inspectors (taxation for fees and business taxes) and state says your ok to sell...the authority says what you put into your mouth based on their permission. I say, to heck with the state and I will judge the food provider on my wants, price and needs and word of mouth from other customers.

The state in all cases does not care to act until a complaint is received, it only cares about compliance to pay for the privilege to play in the field.

Healthcare - why can't we have the right to pick a private supplier (with my tax dollars) - because legally it is against the law (except QC - they do what they want - good for them for not signing the 1984 constitution) Also, if people have choice - then the concept of taxation "for the greater good" dies...it must be protected all costs, all attempts must be crushed completely to keep the state taxation and control in place to maintain the semblance of state provided only choice. It is not the unions that fear us deregulating these services and offering people choice (BTW - I would stick with OHIP as state provided- if given the choice and funds to do so). IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that fears us - as they no longer are in control of outcomes, and can no longer dangle "solutions" during elections. They can influence unions, or voters. Unions will grow stronger under a free market.

Education is same mantra as healthcare - people have been conditioned to believe in the state will provide and most think this is all free - the state government finances on 01 April each $0.00 and they must take/steal from you and businesses first to make promises of how they can fix problems with your money. Because you are TOO STUPID to make choices for yourself - including a state service choice - That is the governments view on your critical thinking ability.

A good analogy to teach your kids about taxation is this - Agree with child to pay them $10.00 to pick up the dog poop in backyard and place in garbage bag. Once they are done have 10 loonies on the table ready to pay them - when they reach for the $10.00 they earned by contract - quickly remove 4 loonies and say nothing - when they question why you took their money - tell them - I took because I know how better to spent that money your earned then you do. They will be mad and decry foul - amp it further and say- listen - I took your money because I know you like chips, so I will buy them for you with your money and give them to you - but I dont like chips anymore kids says..., I like nerds - then you say to bad - I say you want chips.

If you are still reading - then the summary - in the 1970s as government started to get social they started to really push money to private sector and innovation seemed to stop in the research and development that brought us to the moon, because government started to interfere more with free markets with ownership of regulations and issuance of contracts to move the private sector. It has expanded 1000's of time since then to point of stifling free markets through regulations and controls. Nothing happens in private sector for innovations unless an RFP is issued (for the most part, NASA is good example - compared Space X)

As a result of taxation (increased 30% since 1972 in Canada both personal and business), deeper control of private markets, with regulations, taxes, controlled markets and the blue collar work does not exist anymore - perfect example of that is NAFTA and taxation, along with higher taxes have drove those jobs offshore and killed all those jobs in manufacturing - Wynne move to $14 per hour, caused a tidal wave of relocations across the border.

The state is always the problem and we need to bring jobs and manufacturing back to Canada who is rich in resources to do so, but it will take heavy reductions in government red tape and less taxation to achieve that workforce again. If I was elected - I would have a zero tax for corporations to locate to Canada, and encourage Provinces and Municipalities to do the same - although anti libertarian in message and meaning - it would create jobs, people can pay taxes for consumption lifestyles, and reduce that people tax rate to a flat tax of 15% - but I WILL unapologetically gut government to live within our means and pay down deficits- only then could you further reduce that 15%, but not until.

Another point to ponder - if the left is constantly caring about the poor - why over the last 40 yrs have they not eliminated taxation for people making under 22K - because they can attack each other to score points and empower those voting blocks..they need them to be poor to vote for them. And the sheep keep sleeping.

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This is another reason why Libertarians are unappealing. They drone on endlessly, are mind-numbingly boring and their policies are right off the deep end.

Canadians understand this. In the last election one half of one percent of voters supported the Libertarian Party meaning you could put each and every one of them in the Scotiabank Centre and still leave half of it empty.

Why piss your vote and time away on a party so insignificant and irrelevant that it will never get an MP elected much less form a government? Your vote deserves more than a meaningless gesture.

As has been said before, the Rhino party got more votes.

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As has been said before, the Rhino party got more votes.

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And they have a sense of humour. They'd have a fun campaign to work on with a great E-day party. Libertarians not so much.

which means you didn't read it.... typical

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This is another reason why Libertarians are unappealing. They drone on endlessly, are mind-numbingly boring and their policies are right off the deep end.

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I don't try to convert your type - no sense - like telling a HABS fan to change to a Leaf fan. - I have more important time to educate those who are open to hear. you are not approachable nor open to listen. Comrade...

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And they have a sense of humour. They'd have a fun campaign to work on with a great E-day party. Libertarians not so much.

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Defining what are corrupt knowledge leaders is the issue. All corruption begins with government funded science, education, healthcare, and laws to a lesser degree (example EMA - restriction directly contravene the CORF - however the SC has determined limits can exists for governments to impose limits, these allow, grant, give, permit the state to take your money and restrict rights). SO those are not RIGHTS as defined in the Section 2 of CORF, just simple plebs permissions to exist at whim of state - now shut up and get back into your lockdown cage.

Back to point - anytime the state provides, owns, controls or regulates a service it is subject to cronyism and corruption from lobbyists. I will use climate change study findings as one example - if you want funding/grants to disprove a theory good luck, it won't happen - if want funding/grants to support the government initiatives - lots of it. NAFTA (now USMCA) is the supreme example of cronyism and corruption - my case in point I give in lectures - If I won 200 billion dollars tomorrow and decided to build a $5000 Car/EV and brought it to market - I could not sell that car in North American Markets. You see the lobbyists have made sure only there're brand of product has been included in USMCA and no other product can compete in the market.

This is the fundamental issue with Capitalism - which it is not in NA - It is crony-capitalism which is the anti-thesis of free markets, now you can apply that to all government services and the regulations that keep the state in total ownership and control of goods and services. That means healthcare and education and free market competition for goods and services to be sold are not. The simplest example I can illustrate is last month a two private homes were raided and seized in Ottawa in the Indo/Pakistani community - for the crime of... selling samosa, curry, and other Indian foods off Facebook. The state didn't know or care until the local cultural community center started losing business and found them online. They offered good products at a cheaper price. Now the left will decries, oh the poison, the cleanliness, the standards, the licenses, the permits (they will whine, this is what is wrong with the system), the system profits off the license fees, hires local inspectors (taxation for fees and business taxes) and state says your ok to sell...the authority says what you put into your mouth based on their permission. I say, to heck with the state and I will judge the food provider on my wants, price and needs and word of mouth from other customers.

The state in all cases does not care to act until a complaint is received, it only cares about compliance to pay for the privilege to play in the field.

Healthcare - why can't we have the right to pick a private supplier (with my tax dollars) - because legally it is against the law (except QC - they do what they want - good for them for not signing the 1984 constitution) Also, if people have choice - then the concept of taxation "for the greater good" dies...it must be protected all costs, all attempts must be crushed completely to keep the state taxation and control in place to maintain the semblance of state provided only choice. It is not the unions that fear us deregulating these services and offering people choice (BTW - I would stick with OHIP as state provided- if given the choice and funds to do so). IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that fears us - as they no longer are in control of outcomes, and can no longer dangle "solutions" during elections. They can influence unions, or voters. Unions will grow stronger under a free market.

Education is same mantra as healthcare - people have been conditioned to believe in the state will provide and most think this is all free - the state government finances on 01 April each $0.00 and they must take/steal from you and businesses first to make promises of how they can fix problems with your money. Because you are TOO STUPID to make choices for yourself - including a state service choice - That is the governments view on your critical thinking ability.

A good analogy to teach your kids about taxation is this - Agree with child to pay them $10.00 to pick up the dog poop in backyard and place in garbage bag. Once they are done have 10 loonies on the table ready to pay them - when they reach for the $10.00 they earned by contract - quickly remove 4 loonies and say nothing - when they question why you took their money - tell them - I took because I know how better to spent that money your earned then you do. They will be mad and decry foul - amp it further and say- listen - I took your money because I know you like chips, so I will buy them for you with your money and give them to you - but I dont like chips anymore kids says..., I like nerds - then you say to bad - I say you want chips.

If you are still reading - then the summary - in the 1970s as government started to get social they started to really push money to private sector and innovation seemed to stop in the research and development that brought us to the moon, because government started to interfere more with free markets with ownership of regulations and issuance of contracts to move the private sector. It has expanded 1000's of time since then to point of stifling free markets through regulations and controls. Nothing happens in private sector for innovations unless an RFP is issued (for the most part, NASA is good example - compared Space X)

As a result of taxation (increased 30% since 1972 in Canada both personal and business), deeper control of private markets, with regulations, taxes, controlled markets and the blue collar work does not exist anymore - perfect example of that is NAFTA and taxation, along with higher taxes have drove those jobs offshore and killed all those jobs in manufacturing - Wynne move to $14 per hour, caused a tidal wave of relocations across the border.

The state is always the problem and we need to bring jobs and manufacturing back to Canada who is rich in resources to do so, but it will take heavy reductions in government red tape and less taxation to achieve that workforce again. If I was elected - I would have a zero tax for corporations to locate to Canada, and encourage Provinces and Municipalities to do the same - although anti libertarian in message and meaning - it would create jobs, people can pay taxes for consumption lifestyles, and reduce that people tax rate to a flat tax of 15% - but I WILL unapologetically gut government to live within our means and pay down deficits- only then could you further reduce that 15%, but not until.

Another point to ponder - if the left is constantly caring about the poor - why over the last 40 yrs have they not eliminated taxation for people making under 22K - because they can attack each other to score points and empower those voting blocks..they need them to be poor to vote for them. And the sheep keep sleeping.

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Thanks for taking that time. Cheers

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You don't scare anyone of us either.
Your intelligent liberal leader is a source of frequent amusement.
Makes one wonder what kind of IQ it would take to support this kind of intelligent leadership.?.lol
https://youtu.be/LMJ8UJ8wEiY

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I don't try to convert your type - no sense - like telling a HABS fan to change to a Leaf fan. - I have more important time to educate those who are open to hear. you are not approachable nor open to listen. Comrade...

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Mark, I was happy to post the u tube video of the party leader because they do have some good idea's. Unfortunately his delivery and explanation of how exactly he will achieve these policies is still a little fussy.

Quite a topic.

It’s a little disheartening to see a stated Conservative dumping on the Libertarian so hard without any prompting. In his case, Mark is a veteran and also takes the time to mentor others with hunting - he didn’t deserve what was written. If that’s your way Badenoch, perhaps you’re better off elsewhere.

Libertarian principles are interesting to many, including myself. Correct - they are highly unlikely to form government anytime soon, but I believe their influence would be helpful if we had a first-past-the-post system and seats were awarded based on voting percentages. Guess we won’t have that as promised since Justin figured out it would hurt the Liberals.

Sadly, one of the downfalls of democracy is that parties that opt for austerity don’t last long enough in power to see it through. Humanity is generally weak, no leader can deliver what’s needed because those that depend on the government will always vote for whoever helps them live OFF the government, or in other words, live off those who work hard for their livelihood. Sad isn’t it, the Libertarian way only works in small, like-minded groups living apart from the rest.

Moving out to the bush is the only way,

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would be helpful if we had a first-past-the-post system and seats were awarded based on voting percentages.

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Even if all they did was cancel out the Green vote/seat in a minority Government it is well worth looking at what they have to offer.

I think once we hit 2030, the electorate will be looking to dump this whole socialist ideology and get back to grass roots government. They may see their time then.

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Quite a topic.

It’s a little disheartening to see a stated Conservative dumping on the Libertarian so hard without any prompting. In his case, Mark is a veteran and also takes the time to mentor others with hunting - he didn’t deserve what was written. If that’s your way Badenoch, perhaps you’re better off elsewhere.

Libertarian principles are interesting to many, including myself. Correct - they are highly unlikely to form government anytime soon, but I believe their influence would be helpful if we had a first-past-the-post system and seats were awarded based on voting percentages. Guess we won’t have that as promised since Justin figured out it would hurt the Liberals.

Sadly, one of the downfalls of democracy is that parties that opt for austerity don’t last long enough in power to see it through. Humanity is generally weak, no leader can deliver what’s needed because those that depend on the government will always vote for whoever helps them live OFF the government, or in other words, live off those who work hard for their livelihood. Sad isn’t it, the Libertarian way only works in small, like-minded groups living apart from the rest.

Moving out to the bush is the only way,

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Perhaps what you meant is if we DIDN'T have a first-past-the-post system and had proportional representation instead. However, every system of proportional representation sets a minimum percentage of votes before getting seats usually around 5%. The Libertarian party has never cracked even 1% either federally or in Ontario.

We do agree that the Libertarian way is best suited to "small, like-minded" groups living apart from the rest of society. Most of them are already there either physically or emotionally.

FYI, there are many people who served and mentor. Not all trade on their distant military careers to further their political objectives.

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Perhaps what you meant is if we DIDN'T have a first-past-the-post system and had proportional representation instead. However, every system of proportional representation sets a minimum percentage of votes before getting seats usually around 5%. The Libertarian party has never cracked even 1% either federally or in Ontario.

We do agree that the Libertarian way is best suited to "small, like-minded" groups living apart from the rest of society. Most of them are already there either physically or emotionally.

FYI, there are many people who served and mentor. Not all trade on their distant military careers to further their political objectives.

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Correct, I had intended to write proportional representation.

More unnecessary insults above, why so bitter ? I’ve never heard Mark use his military career as leverage.

But he has referred to those who go along with the current governments decisions and processes on Covid as sheeples. Makes one think the Libertarians believe Canadians can't think or reason for themselves.

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Correct, I had intended to write proportional representation.

More unnecessary insults above, why so bitter ? I’ve never heard Mark use his military career as leverage.

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He's paraded his military service and time in Bosnia several times on this site. I'm entirely unimpressed as in my experience service people who did the most at the front end are the ones who talk about it the least and vice versa.

And any pissant who refers me as "comrade" or a "sheeple" had best be prepared to get a little in return.

I have not heard Mark use his pass career as leverage.

The way I see it you are making a swipe at his career.

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He's paraded his military service and time in Bosnia several times on this site. I'm entirely unimpressed as in my experience service people who did the most at the front end are the ones who talk about it the least and vice versa.

And any pissant who refers me as "comrade" or a "sheeple" had best be prepared to get a little in return.

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I have not heard Mark use his pass career as leverage.

The way I see it you are making a swipe at his career.

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He's the one holding it up and waving it around to impress people not me.

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But he has referred to those who go along with the current governments decisions and processes on Covid as sheeples. Makes one think the Libertarians believe Canadians can't think or reason for themselves.

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That is actually a huge problem in Canada today. Historians are going to look back on the 2000's as the post-democratic society. Where people still vote, but they are not intelligent to vote for what is good for the country, for the society they live in. And at that point, the government will take over and tell the people how to vote... and will tell them what they are voting for is good for them. When you see voters being bribed with their own (and their children and grandchildren's money), it's pretty safe to say that this has already arrived.

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That is actually a huge problem in Canada today. Historians are going to look back on the 2000's as the post-democratic society. Where people still vote, but they are not intelligent to vote for what is good for the country, for the society they live in. And at that point, the government will take over and tell the people how to vote... and will tell them what they are voting for is good for them. When you see voters being bribed with their own (and their children and grandchildren's money), it's pretty safe to say that this has already arrived.

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It's sad when voters can be fooled into 'Sunny ways' over Economic Stability.

Ahhh Toronto area, explains a lot the center of the Universe or so some believe.

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He's the one holding it up and waving it around to impress people not me.

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But he has referred to those who go along with the current governments decisions and processes on Covid as sheeples. Makes one think the Libertarians believe Canadians can't think or reason for themselves.

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As I see it through my eyes and hear with my ears , many people, if not a majority do believe whatever they hear and see on CBC or hear from the government as being 100% true and to deviate from what you are being spoonfed would be wrong.
Government must always be questioned on what they are thinking and doing, and must answer to the people or be removed from power. This question period farce we have in parliament is like a preschool gathering with nothing being answered that applies to the questions asked.
Government should be afraid of The People........The People should not be afraid of their Government like in a communist regime or dictatorship.
John

Totally agree as well the Liberals have gone as far as stating that if you don't agree with them you are either a racist or anti everything.
You are not allowed to think for yourself. Trudeau pretty much forbids it.

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As I see it through my eyes and hear with my ears , many people, if not a majority do believe whatever they hear and see on CBC or hear from the government as being 100% true and to deviate from what you are being spoonfed would be wrong.
Government must always be questioned on what they are thinking and doing, and must answer to the people or be removed from power. This question period farce we have in parliament is like a preschool gathering with nothing being answered that applies to the questions asked.
Government should be afraid of The People........The People should not be afraid of their Government like in a communist regime or dictatorship.
John

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I will always be proud of my Military career and make reference to service of country, because I did something for the country. To call people sheeple is a term, noun - person-place or thing. It is defined under Merriam Webster as word:

"Merriam-Webster Adds 'Sheeple' As An Official Word Sheeple are people who are docile, compliant or easily influenced". "Apple has debuted a battery case for the juice-sucking iPhone, an ungainly lumpy case the sheeple will happily shell out $99 for."

And it fits for those who willing give up the freedoms and rights our forefathers and veterans gave their lives for to create. Personally - I have thick skin and have no issues with those who disparage my service - your right to your opinion and your choice is something I support. If I was offended by words - well...I would be you, which I am not.

I don't have to respect your beliefs, I have to respect your right to hold those beliefs. The beliefs themselves command no inherent respect.

Free speech is exactly that, including speech that hurts your feelings - Incitement to violence is not free speech, neither direct threat to harm someone (criminal). Section 2b of charter states we have free expression, but we do not have that expression - we controlled expression through threat of violence from government for what they deem "hate" speech or words.

What I have chosen to do is try and wake the "sheeple" to those rights, those historical meanings and sacrifices to help them come out their slumber to rights and freedoms. Will we ever form a majority - I hope so - time will tell. The fact that we ran 118 candidates in the 2018 election a testament to the knowledge of the party existing, despite mainstream media deliberately suppressing that incredible achievement politically in Ontario.

BINGO... Identity politics

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That is actually a huge problem in Canada today. Historians are going to look back on the 2000's as the post-democratic society. Where people still vote, but they are not intelligent to vote for what is good for the country, for the society they live in. And at that point, the government will take over and tell the people how to vote... and will tell them what they are voting for is good for them. When you see voters being bribed with their own (and their children and grandchildren's money), it's pretty safe to say that this has already arrived.

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Again, this is why I am libertarian, because I realized I had no right to remove politicians with re-call legislation, no democratic/legal process to exercise the will of the people between elections. Government should fear the people who they represent - not the other way away around like is right now.

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As I see it through my eyes and hear with my ears , many people, if not a majority do believe whatever they hear and see on CBC or hear from the government as being 100% true and to deviate from what you are being spoonfed would be wrong.
Government must always be questioned on what they are thinking and doing, and must answer to the people or be removed from power. This question period farce we have in parliament is like a preschool gathering with nothing being answered that applies to the questions asked.
Government should be afraid of The People........The People should not be afraid of their Government like in a communist regime or dictatorship.
John

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I will always be proud of my Military career and make reference to service of country, because I did something for the country. To call people sheeple is a term, noun - person-place or thing. It is defined under Merriam Webster as word:

"Merriam-Webster Adds 'Sheeple' As An Official Word Sheeple are people who are docile, compliant or easily influenced". "Apple has debuted a battery case for the juice-sucking iPhone, an ungainly lumpy case the sheeple will happily shell out $99 for."

And it fits for those who willing give up the freedoms and rights our forefathers and veterans gave their lives for to create. Personally - I have thick skin and have no issues with those who disparage my service - your right to your opinion and your choice is something I support. If I was offended by words - well...I would be you, which I am not.

I don't have to respect your beliefs, I have to respect your right to hold those beliefs. The beliefs themselves command no inherent respect.

Free speech is exactly that, including speech that hurts your feelings - Incitement to violence is not free speech, neither direct threat to harm someone (criminal). Section 2b of charter states we have free expression, but we do not have that expression - we controlled expression through threat of violence from government for what they deem "hate" speech or words.

What I have chosen to do is try and wake the "sheeple" to those rights, those historical meanings and sacrifices to help them come out their slumber to rights and freedoms. Will we ever form a majority - I hope so - time will tell. The fact that we ran 118 candidates in the 2018 election a testament to the knowledge of the party existing, despite mainstream media deliberately suppressing that incredible achievement politically in Ontario.

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You ran in more ridings but won a smaller percentage (0.75%) of the electorate than in 2014 when you ran 74 candidates and took 0.81%. Seems to be going in the wrong direction for you. :rolleye:

Agreed, however - people were mad at Wynne, and wanted her out..and we got Ford. As with every election getting through the noise of media, takes money. We ran that election budget with $35,000 dollars. The COns got 4.3 million, libs 6.3 million in public funding to outbuy us..we got zero.

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You ran in more ridings but won a smaller percentage (0.75%) of the electorate than in 2014 when you ran 74 candidates and took 0.81%. Seems to be going in the wrong direction for you. :rolleye:

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He's paraded his military service and time in Bosnia several times on this site. I'm entirely unimpressed as in my experience service people who did the most at the front end are the ones who talk about it the least and vice versa.

And any pissant who refers me as "comrade" or a "sheeple" had best be prepared to get a little in return.

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This coming from the guy who has called people just about anything he can get away with on here.

Just priceless.

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That is actually a huge problem in Canada today. Historians are going to look back on the 2000's as the post-democratic society. Where people still vote, but they are not intelligent to vote for what is good for the country, for the society they live in. And at that point, the government will take over and tell the people how to vote... and will tell them what they are voting for is good for them. When you see voters being bribed with their own (and their children and grandchildren's money), it's pretty safe to say that this has already arrived.

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Thank you Werner for articulating that point, it’s an important one, and JohnyJB is on the mark too.

Making remarks about a generalized voting group is one thing, personal attacks on someone here is a different item.

Once again it’s Badenoch freely insulting other members with little care or consequence.

It don't bother me, that's the cancel culture he is used to..social justice for opinions. Mao, Stalin would be proud of his actions and words.

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Thank you Werner for articulating that point, it’s an important one, and JohnyJB is on the mark too.

Making remarks about a generalized voting group is one thing, personal attacks on someone here is a different item.

Once again it’s Badenoch freely insulting other members with little care or consequence.

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I have not heard Mark use his pass career as leverage.

The way I see it you are making a swipe at his career.

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Selective memory GW, how about all the Mall Cop post about your truly, I know they are allowed because I,am a Liberal. LOL

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This coming from the guy who has called people just about anything he can get away with on here.

Just priceless.

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"You have to remember where things come from. You and a handful of others on here are openly left leaning. On the other hand, more than a handful on here lean so far right they probably can't tie up their left shoe without assistance.

You can't take things those people say with any degree of seriousness."


I guess all I want to say is take your own advice.

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This coming from the guy who has called people just about anything he can get away with on here.

Just priceless.

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"You have to remember where things come from. You and a handful of others on here are openly left leaning. On the other hand, more than a handful on here lean so far right they probably can't tie up their left shoe without assistance.

You can't take things those people say with any degree of seriousness."


I guess all I want to say is take your own advice.

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Did you get yourself off with that post, make you feel all warm and fuzzy?...:o

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Did you get yourself off with that post, make you feel all warm and fuzzy?...:o

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What makes me feel warm and fussy is Justin today telling the media that he will be serving for many more years to come so I guess an election coming and with Joe down south its all peachy.

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"You have to remember where things come from. You and a handful of others on here are openly left leaning. On the other hand, more than a handful on here lean so far right they probably can't tie up their left shoe without assistance.

You can't take things those people say with any degree of seriousness."


I guess all I want to say is take your own advice.

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You're quite the creeper, nice try.

That was a post in response to fishermccann saying he's been called anti-gun on this forum.

My post you took issue with here was simply telling the great Badenoch to pull up his big boy pants. I suppose the same advice could apply to you.

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You're quite the creeper, nice try.

That was a post in response to fishermccann saying he's been called anti-gun on this forum.

My post you took issue with here was simply telling the great Badenoch to pull up his big boy pants. I suppose the same advice could apply to you.

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Oh I see your sage advice only referred to this individual post and was not meant as general advice. Yeh OK then, my pants are just fine.

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What makes me feel warm and fussy is Justin today telling the media that he will be serving for many more years to come so I guess an election coming and with Joe down south its all peachy.

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Keeping him in office should not bring warmth to anyone lol.

Have you figured out what opportunity brings ? Who will the opportunity benifet ?

How does a deadly virus bring opportunity ?


Let's build back better what is better?

Government can't save humanity issues

Only one way to build back better and that's to kill the economy .

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Oh I see your sage advice only referred to this individual post and was not meant as general advice. Yeh OK then, my pants are just fine.

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Seeing as I quoted him in that post, my "sage advice" was directed at fishermccann and was in reference to the extremes between the right and the left on here and how foolish those on the extreme ends tend to sound much of the time. Somehow you related that "advice" to me suggesting that one of the biggest loudmouths on the forum can't take what he dishes out.

Like I said, nice try. I could start looking up old posts of yours to relate to new posts in some feeble attempt to character assassinate you as well, but you seem to do a pretty good job of that on your own.


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