Covid media influence and propaganda

Canada is still in lockdown while the US opens up.
Fear mongering continues with “variants” of influenza while hospitals remain empty.
Does this make any sense to you?

Brian Lilley has a good article on the subject today.

https://ottawasun.com/opinion/column...7-f200f1ee3417

“It’s quite the juxtaposition: Much of Canada remains under some fairly strict public health measures due to COVID-19. Masking, business closures, a curfew in Quebec and a stay-at-home order in Ontario.”

“In the United States, the opposite is happening.”

“In Florida, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis went even further last week.”

“We believe every job is essential,” he said. “You work in a restaurant, we have your back. If you are a hairstylist, we protect your right to earn a living and if you are a parent, we ensure your kids have the right to in-person learning. Lockdowns do not work.”

“Here in Canada, any talk of anything other than a lockdown puts politicians and their careers in jeopardy.”

“It’s a bizarre scenario considering that depending on how you slice it, all of these states can claim to be doing a better job than Canada’s major provinces.”

“There isn’t a single region where scrapping, or even relaxing, restrictions is close to being popular.”

“Part of this might be driven by the fact that Canada’s media refuses to consider anything other than lockdown harder and lockdown faster”

“There is also the fact that other than B.C., the major provinces are run by more conservative-leaning premiers and their opposition parties tend to scream for even more restrictions rather than allowing people to get back to work.”

“The public believes that this is the only way to deal with COVID because that is what it is told.”

“We need to start having real and balanced conversations about how to deal with COVID because we are a long way from being done with this. Vaccines aren’t arriving in sufficient numbers to end this any time soon.”

How true and states with a mask mandate on no mask mandate are doing the same .
So does the mask really stop the spread?

No mask's in Florida and they are open
Mask mandate in Texas same outcome as Florida.

That was our plan to lockdown but the lockdown was just supposed to be a 1 time thing to prepare for a reopening . We haven't done that yet . Our only plan was to lock down until a vaccine and now that has proven to fail with these new variants.

So now what ?

No real plan to reopen yet just pissiing and moaning about how we don't have vaccines. The only thing we planned on to reopen is falling apart .

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Who really is running this Covid circus show?
The public health units across Ontario are kept in the dark and even the top Ontario doctors appear to be as well.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...spreading-fast

"Public health units have been kept in the dark about provincial announcements during the pandemic, making it harder for them to do their jobs, according to a new report from Ottawa Public Health.

The report calls on the province to hold technical briefings for public health units, which largely oversee the COVID-19 pandemic response at the local level, before major announcements are made."

“Finding out about new restrictions and requirements impacting local businesses/sectors at the same time as the general public” has been among OPH’s biggest challenges during the past year of pandemic response, the report said.

"That lack of communication with public health and officials at the local level became public late last year when Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson said the city had been blindsided by the provincial lockdown announcement."

https://ottawasun.com/news/local-new...3-946ba8ec2722

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Originally Posted by fishfood

So does the mask really stop the spread?

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Now that they have come out and said you need to double up your masks..ie wear a surgical mask under your bandana proofs earlier observations that the Fabric 'designer' masks weren't going to do any good medically, but made you feel like you where at least complying.

Studies must have concluded that those mask were a failure and why the virus continues to spread. In fact the way people handle them more than likely contributed to the spreading.

Interesting that the provinces , as mentioned in the article are being governed by Conservative parties. They are blaming the response on the opposition parties. I was not aware that the opposition party, not the ruling party, make up the covid response procedures. Just a reminder, Ford has a majority. As witness by the passing of MZO's. He can't pass the buck on this one.... lol.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Interesting that the provinces , as mentioned in the article are being governed by Conservative parties. They are blaming the response on the opposition parties. I was not aware that the opposition party, not the ruling party, make up the covid response procedures. Just a reminder, Ford has a majority. As witness by the passing of MZO's. He can't pass the buck on this one.... lol.

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I don't think you understand the restrictions between what the Feds control in regards to Public health being provincial jurisdiction.

maybe the difference is the 10% of the US that has been vaccinated compared to our paltry <2%.
I would hope if we got the majority of our at risk population vaccinated that things would start opening up again in canada as well.

The various Ontario regional health departments are complaining about the Provinces lack of direction to them. Not the Feds.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

The various Ontario regional health departments are complaining about the Provinces lack of direction to them. Not the Feds.

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And not once in the entire article/report do they mention political partisanship...you added that.

This about says all that needs to be said.

"Here in Canada, any talk of anything other than a lockdown puts politicians and their careers in jeopardy.”

And certainly, here in Ontario, Between the Unions and GTA, Ford would be toast...Lol Hudak was made into a road stain, and obliterated for far far far less. It's not rocket science. Whether debates about cottages, small town, or lockdown, actual dealing with the problem. If you want a career in politics here in Ontario, you don't do anything that gets the GTAs and Unions knickers in knots.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

And not once in the entire article/report do they mention political partisanship...you added that.

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Third last paragraph of Impacts # 1 post.

If you don’t like it then go protest.
But you might not like beatings, tickets and jail.

I ask not what’s best for my country but what will get me more votes.

48% of all Ontarians live in the GTA. Should have 48% of all MPP's.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Third last paragraph in the first article. Blaming opposition parties..

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seriously...from this :

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There is also the fact that other than B.C., the major provinces are run by more conservative-leaning premiers and their opposition parties tend to scream for even more restrictions rather than allowing people to get back to work.

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You took that comment as a Cons vs Liberal partisan issue...jumping to the conclusion that the 27% who don't agree with the restrictions are all Liberals/NDP . HaHa.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

48% of all Ontarians live in the GTA. Should have 48% of all MPP's.

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That's what the Village Idiot promised to change thru electoral reform . What ever happened to that promise ??? ..HaHa...

Do you conclude that everyone who does not vote conservative is a Liberal. Other parties out there. Is a 'Green' a liberal? An 'NDP' member? Is a conservative party member who wants more restrictions, an NDP er?

Wasn't it just a little while ago someone said 80% of the people live in cities and they want........restrictions and lockdowns
What's changed today? A desire to make it something it isn't?

Its not rocket science. Politicians regardless of party want votes and careers.
But oddly, despite the Unions howling, and despite the "city" screaming for lockdowns. Ford doesn't actually have the stones to do what Autralia has done, nor single out the problem children and lower the hammer has he?

Why?
That to, is not hard to figure out.

FFS its not about "Con" or "Lib". Its about not ending up on the chopping block.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

That's what the Village Idiot promised to change thru electoral reform . What ever happened to that promise ??? ..HaHa...

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In the very near future they are talking about the GTA having over 60% of the provincial population. Then it should have 60% of the MPP's, for the entire province..

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Originally Posted by glen

I ask not what’s best for my country but what will get me more votes.

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Bingo. That answers JBens question.

omfg.
The GTA currently has 1 or 2 more seats than it should. Not enough to quibble about. The problem is First Past the Post. Where votes don't matter near as much as seats. Where all you need is to win the riding. So if riding A has 100 voters.
35 dont vote ( about average, )
29 vote C ( about 44%)
33 vote L ( about 50%)
03 vote NDP ( about 4%)

the Seat goes to the libs. And that's all that matters. Noone elses vote counts or matters. Hence why Apathy is so bad, polarization is getting worse, why Gas plants in Miss get cancelled, why Spring bear hunts get cancelled and why Unions get whatever they want (Ask Drummond) and on and on and on and on and on.....
Every freaking election, people gripe about it. Including he who apparently wants to make everything C or L, but forgets he used to whine about 65% of the country not voting for Harper.....When harper was in power

As it stands, and anyone that wants to try and deny this is welcome to come back to earth anytime they like.
Politics, especially in Ontario is all about kissing the backsides of the Unions and GTA. ( and just who exactly is whinning for restrictions).......
Ask Harris
Ask Rae ( when the Unions bailed on him)
Ask Hudak
Open your eyes and figure why Ford rushed to Oshawa when GM closed, or bailed right fast on pulling some money from French language schools, and doesnt have the stones to do what he should have about Covid. But is doing enough to keep them happy.

Oshawa has 126,000 voters in their riding. Timmins has 41,000. Both get one seat. That makes one vote in Timmins worth 3 times what the same vote in Oshawa is worth. Is that fair ?

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Oshawa has 126,000 voters in their riding. Timmins has 41,000. Both get one seat. That makes one vote in Timmins worth 3 times what the same vote in Oshawa is worth. Is that fair ?

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People from Oshawa would say "no",but,people in Timmins would definitely say "yes". "First-past-the-post" was adopted,so, electors in marginalized areas would have a vote,too,without feeling their votes didn't count. The only alternative is a "one person,one vote" system as in the US,but,that would mean an Electoral College system would need to be used. Six of one,a half dozen of the other.

Or how about making all the ridings the same size, by number of voters. Some would get smaller, some bigger. Seems fair.

The electoral college in a round about way, acts almost like FPtP.

167,000 voters between Osh and Timmins. Maybe 46% voted C and maybe 40% L and 24% NDP ( the NDP is strong in the North because they most of all feel as though don't exist south of cottage country). FPtP: 2 seats go to the Cons and 106,000 people have no voice.

btw what did happen with one of JTs big big big promises?

Currently.
In and around Timmins theres only 275 Cases ( cant find, so I assume very few hospitlizations)
In the Kawartha lakes there's a whopping 53 cases.
Is it fair they are closed? bearing the brunt of lockdowns because 141,000 can't get their act together? And Fords too afraid to lower the hammer on them?

Is it fair Wynne stuck her head in the sand as did the voters throughout 2008-2010 and could find $75,000,000 for wine sippers in NoTL but nothing for small towns being crushed by job losses and lost revenue? Hydro??? And on and on and on and on and on and on and on....

Is what's been happening in Alberta for the past 9 years "fair", while people in Ontario and that seat rich region sip mocha lattes without a care? "Fair"?
And on and on and on and on and on...

Is it fair to our children or Grandchildren that will never be able to afford houses because, that what matters are those regions...and as a result.
70% of all immigration......and R/E is beyond stupid.....

Want "fair"
research such things as polarization, divides etc. And recall "let them eat them cake" and what occurs when......
https://wernerantweiler.ca/blog.php?item=2019-10-23

and in what is likely a vain effort to try and swing this back on topic a bit.
MSM and propaganda and or editorial bias.
When was the last time MSM really spent much effort on issues outside the GTA....Say like drinking water on reservations. But 141,000 mocha latte sippers in the Shwa...

The left are all about virtue signalling and pretending to care about others.
Voting patterns, MSM and bias paint an entirely different picture. And like not learning from history.
the pen is mightier than the sword.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Or how about making all the ridings the same size, by number of voters. Some would get smaller, some bigger. Seems fair.

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Not possible as some ridings in the far north only need only 20 votes to win.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Not possible as some ridings in the far north only need only 20 votes to win.

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I don't want that person with 20 votes to have as much say in how the province is run, as the MPP with 100,000. I feel most would agree.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I don't want that person with 20 votes to have as much say in how the province is run, as the MPP with 100,000. I feel most would agree.

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To be open minded, people in the far north don't agree with people in the most southern cities deciding how those in the north should live.

Absolutely. I do agree.But we do live in a democracy, wherein numbers (votes) get to decide, through their MPP s, on what course of action the sitting government takes.unfortunately because of the inequities in riding voters, some people’s votes are worth more than others. As it stands the far north has more power than their numbers warrant. I know we have to include them at the table.The areas around the GTA ( Durham, Kawartha Lakes) are getting screwed because their population is also going up because of the ‘exodus ‘,but their ‘ seats ‘ are not increasing , as their population grows. Like the GTA. When Toronto gets a million more people over the next 10-12 years are they going to get 10 more seats? Or maybe 20 MPPs for Timmons , if a million shows up in Timmons?

Not worry Canada man. I'm sure if the US annexed Canada, despite our similarities, we are vastly different and people would get it then. Just imagine 150 million voters voting for open carry, loose GC. I'm sure people would begin to appreciate that regional differences matter and they'd sing different tunes then. Unfortunately, people in the GTA rarely think about others, ( list examples.....) or try to imagine what's it like to see things from anyone else's PoV. It's a large reason why I left the city, and grew to loathe it back around 2010. The world revolves around it.

Dead horse, and until the proverbial hits the fan. And a Trump wins here ( similiar dynamics there) , or big chunks storm the parliament buildings, and the polarization, growing division largely caused by them. . The problem isn't 100k people here, and 20 there. Its that the 100k never think about anyone else. That and FPtP. If something more a long the lines porportional...Where regional things virtually don't matter at all. Everyones vote counts equally...

And, once again, the media and propaganda machines......
If all those people ever read, are very narrow views of the country.......take just gun control. People don't know better because they have zero appreciation for life outside.

copied from the link

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[COLOR=#000080]The diagram also shows why Canada's first-past-the-post electoral system delivered a more efficient outcome for the Liberals but not for the Conservatives. Conservative ridings were won with large margins, whereas Liberal ridings were mostly won with small margins

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Translation. The denser the population, the more diverse the vote, the more "unjust" FPtP because so many votes end up being "meaningless".
/points to popultion growth you know where over the last 30-40 years.

New Kent covid is out need more lock downs new strains are coming to a community near you .

Still no Can covid yet tho lol

Or was ours the original version ? The softer variant lol.

https://youtu.be/v5ebJuLVpRE

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“Here in Canada, any talk of anything other than a lockdown puts politicians and their careers in jeopardy.”
“It’s a bizarre scenario considering that depending on how you slice it, all of these states can claim to be doing a better job than Canada’s major provinces cough cities.”

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Worded differently, a huge country with a handful of large cities. Get outside those cities and Covid is largely a non event.......

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“There isn’t a single region (cough city )where scrapping, or even relaxing, restrictions is close to being popular.”
“Part of this might be driven by the fact that Canada’s media refuses to consider anything other than lockdown harder and lockdown faster”

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MSM out of where?

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“There is also the fact that other than B.C., the major provinces are run by more conservative-leaning premiers and their opposition parties tend to scream for even more restrictions rather than allowing people to get back to work.”“The public believes that this is the only way to deal with COVID because that is what it is told.”

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And like GC, people voters see only what immediately affecting them......
/list dozens of examples...
Like huge swaths of Ontario where Covid is a non event, paying the prices