Are they a terrorist group? They fit the definition. I guess that there is a difference between shouting your ideals, and shouting it with guns in your hands. Insurrection plans as well , pretty much sealed the deal.
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Are they a terrorist group? They fit the definition. I guess that there is a difference between shouting your ideals, and shouting it with guns in your hands. Insurrection plans as well , pretty much sealed the deal.
Are they a terrorist group, they fit the definition? Their actions pretty much seal the deal.
https://youtu.be/yYx2m13MqJs
Sad how the left say they are peaceful protesters....:o
How did Antifa not make the list...they violently took over an entire area of a major city (Seattle)
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Seattle’s hard-Left secessionist movement has claimed its first territory: six blocks in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.
For the past week, Black Lives Matter and Antifa-affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle police officers and National Guard soldiers in the neighborhood, with the heaviest conflict occurring at the intersection of 11th and Pike, where law enforcement had constructed a barricade to defend the Seattle Police East Precinct building. Hoping to break through the barricade, protesters attacked officers with bricks, bottles, rocks, and improvised explosive devices, sending some officers to the hospital. At the same time, activists circulated videos of the conflict and accused the police of brutality, demanding that the city cease using teargas and other anti-riot techniques.
How about, one was protesting for equality and justice , and the other was trying to prevent that? That is is the essence, of both riots. One side was trying to improve government-justice, make it more accountable. The proud boys were trying to remove it, and overthrow the duly elected government . Do you not see the reason- difference between the rioters?
You typically espouse the ideology that rule of law is paramount. Just cause or otherwise, both groups should be held accountable for any laws broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
By extension of your logic if a just cause justifies breaking the law than when a known murderer gets off on a technicality it should be okay for a regular citizen to mete out justice outside of the law.
Back to your query - are they terrorists? Probably. But so to are other groups that did not make the list because their ideology is compatible with the flavour of the week.
There are portions of that movement that could be, but marching on the capital threatening to assassinate sitting members of the government is not something I have heard broadcast by those groups (not that I do not believe they have not said it, just that it did not make news in the way this did).Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The news reporting is every bit as much to blame for the hype with the of use phrases like 'Camouflaged troops in unmarked vehicles'. They make it sound like some third world banana republic was doing over the top enforcement.
According to Canada:
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Defining Terrorism: Does Antifa fit the bill?
Every country has a different way of defining the concept of terrorism. From a Canadian point of view, it is easy to see that Antifa could fit into the Criminal Code’s definition.
The Criminal Code defines terrorism as “an act committed in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, with the intention of intimidating the public”.
Antifa’s ideologies are rooted in the belief that if there had been more violent opposition to horrors such as the Holocaust before it was too late, these instances would not have happened and millions of lives would have been saved. They argue that violence against those whom they classify as fascists is not only ethically justifiable, but necessary. Their actions are undoubtedly ideological and political in nature and therefore fit nicely into the above definition.
The Government of Canada has placed 13 new groups on the Criminal Code list of terrorist entities, including four ideologically motivated violent extremist groups: Atomwaffen Division, the Base, the Proud Boys and Russian Imperial Movement.
In addition, Canada has also listed:
three Al Qaida affiliates: Jama’at Nusrat Al-Islam Wal-Muslimin, Front de Libération du Macina, and Ansar Dine
five Daesh affiliates: Islamic State West Africa Province, Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, Islamic State in Libya, Islamic State East Asia, and Islamic State - Bangladesh
Hizbul Mujahideen
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safe...en-others.html
Both organizations can be defined as terrorist,they're simply different elements operating under different ideaologies,both misguided,both extremely dangerous to society. In Canada,we have legislation against hate and hateful organizations. In America,they have the 1st amendment,guaranteeing the right to freedom of speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Would blocking railways, highways, burning overturned vehicles, masked and armed fit definition?...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Just sayin....
Your aware the head of Toronto's BLM, believes white man should be eliminated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Peaceful protester, not..
Your aware the news leaves that stuff alone..
Evidence please.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Sure....(from two left wing rags Haha..)
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/james-..._14635896.htmlQuote:
Now, normally my white skin would admittedly preclude me from even suggesting that a black activist should hang up the megaphone, but Khogali has made a habit of directing violent, hateful language towards people with white skin, so much so that I feel comfortable calling her out. She once mused that just by having white skin, white people are sub-human. She tried to qualify that statement by saying white people did not have a high amount of melanin, which prevents them from absorbing light, and with it a sense of moral clarity.
Now, maybe if this was her only controversial statement all could be forgiven, but this is a pattern of hate that can't be ignored any longer. In April 2016 Khogali tweeted "Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz Plz Plz."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...weet-1.3523055Quote:
The Black Lives Matter Toronto group has come under fire over a tweet by one of its co-founders.
On Feb. 9, Yusra Khogali tweeted, "Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz plz plz," according to Newstalk 1010.
The tweet has since been deleted. Khogali did not respond to requests for comment from CBC News. Sandy Hudson, another founder of the group, told CBC News she would not comment on the deleted tweet.
So I can burn down a city if I feel it's for equality ?
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
My apologies, as I only have so much room for evidence in my man purse. If it's buried in the vault it might be retrievable...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
got you covered...post 14Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Thank-you :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Gilroy, hello? You still there?..:joker:
he and fishcan are on the phone with each other going over their notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The anti white rhetoric is just unreal out there.
https://www.thebipocproject.org/our-approach
https://surjtoronto.com/teams
I think you guys broke Gilroy.....Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
My take on the whole situation is that a protest is a protest until physical harm, threats of physical harm and or damage to property occur. Once any of the three happen it is terrorism and should be treated as such.
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Terrorist groups... isis and proud boys. Ya sounds about right. Antifa are peaceful protestors. Ya that also sound right.
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Originally Posted by oaknut
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
Sorry lads but I am still awaiting evidence of what Canadaman claimed and I quote "Your aware the head of Toronto's BLM, believes white man should be eliminated."Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Already been cited on post #14. Most media outlets quoted the man. If you missed it or don't choose to believe it,Google is your best friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by boddah
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SEATTLE — Some officers with the Seattle Police Department said the recent unrest unfolding in the city are turning into direct attacks on police.
One police spokesperson said the protesters were deliberate in their efforts to trap officers inside the East Precinct building Monday night before setting fires.
New SPD surveillance video from the East Precinct shows rioters setting fires around the precinct, after trying to cement the door shut, while officers are inside.
Police said it’s an example of rioters are taking protests to a dangerous level—targeting police.
“That’s not a protest, that’s not a demonstration that’s a directed attack against the police,” said Sgt. Randy Huserik with the Seattle Police Department. “Last night was, was clearly a coordinated attack against three Seattle Police facilities.”
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As Antifa violence continues to boil over in Seattle — and elected officials continue to treat the anarchy with kid gloves — some community leaders have had enough.
The city's streets and businesses on Wednesday once again fell victim to the so-called anti-fascists — black-clad militants who have often been hailed by the left as heroes even though they regularly attack everyday people and small businesses and anyone else who defies them or gets in their way.
So lets get this straight. Most of you are saying the PBoys ARE a terrorist group? But you think other groups should be on the list as well. Ok, got it.
Most definitely. It seems no one is disagreeing with the decision to categorize the neo-Nazi goofs as terrorists only that they would like other groups added to the list. How positively inclusive of them. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Simple fact is Freedom of Association is protected under the Charter. The left seem to think this is a good idea, it is a terrifying action of the government.
What people don't get is, it is fine to belong to that group, it is fine to speak your mind in group setting, that is all protected. What they are being banned for is definition under Hate Speech under Section 318 an 319 of the Criminal Code. That determines the crime aspect of ban - which is ludicrous IMHO, free speech is without limitations. Incitement to violence, death threats are not hate speech, they are crimes - and should be prosecuted.
What you are seeing is higher level of thought policing actions by an ever increasing state - which is akin to the purges of dissenting free peoples, like done under Stalin, Mao and Hitler. If they are doing this now - it is a matter of time for anyone, who holds a counter view to ruling government/state. Those old enough can see the creep of state censorship in the last 40 yrs.
Show me one instance where the actions of this group has provided a single threat to Canada and the state - IN CANADA. Show me a single proof of crime, terrorism, subversive planning, criminally other then hate speech. No this is like the pastor's who are being fined, like protestors arrested, and are the control measures of the state to take away more of freedoms and rights.
I have only every come across Proud Boys and III%'s (3 percenters), once on Parliament Hill during a protest. They tried to block me entering a grassed area...it didn't go so well for them. Do you know what they were doing there that day - the where protecting oil pipeline supporters (from QC) who were being threatened by Antifa (anti-pipeline).
The state should not be censoring groups like UNLESS the show clear intent of harm to citizens or Government, and we have ways to monitor those activities.
I could care less what they speak about, or say - as always - you have two choices when meeting people whose speech you don't like..1.) engage and debate, 2.) man up and walk away and don't concern yourself. Pretty simple rule that people need to learn, debate or walk away. Anything short of that or any further action then that I.E. fighting, pushing is assault and you should be charged for laying hands on anyone (since we don't have self defence laws that protect your right to true self defence)
Ask yourself this when encountering people you do not associate with - who you have them over for tea, breakfast or lunch, would these try of people be your friends, would you want to hang out with them. All fine if that's the way you feel.
If the answer is NO, not my type - then move and mind your own business.
Remember - I have to respect your right to hold your beliefs- the beliefs themselves command no respect of me or my thoughts, nor I am I obliged to follow your beliefs as a free citizen and person. But, I do respect your right to hold them.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHA - the educated left from single source news encyclopedia...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
There are Islamic groups on the terrorist list that have not committed crimes in Canada but are named for activities outside of the country. Same with Proud Boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
We are a complete and utter snowflake nation. I'm almost to the point of being ashamed to call my self Canadian because this is NOT my Canada.
How quickly do we label and add a group to the Canadian terrorist list for their participation (not organization but participation) in a protest that happened on foreign soil? Yet we have ANTIFA doing whatever they want without retaliation. What about a group that randomly closes public roads, rail lines and causes massive disruption - squat.......the news media actually provides them air time on the news!!??
I am by no means supporting Proud Boys or the III% but we need to judge all fringe groups (radical groups left or right) equally. Never before has it been so clear that there is a double standard in Canada.
Did you read the links brother, the Man is a Woman and she has not been the so called leader of BLM since 2016,2017. There is zero evidence for the quote posted by Canadaman.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The PBoys were investigated by the federal government for 3 years before designating them. Maybe after 3 years of investigation, other 'worthy' groups will be put on the list as well.
So technically all they have to do is re-name themselves and they get another 3 years of chaos? I wonder if there are consultants out there that do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I meant the author of the article,James DiFiore. I'm well aware who Khogali is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Give it up Gilroy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Why is it when faced with truth and reality, you refuse to accept it...
Definitely a leftist value, deny the truth and all cost to protect crooked left views.
Go ahead try to flip it and blame Trump when the truth can't be denied. Im guessing according to you Trump is the one causing all the problems in the world. Maybe Harper is to blame as well....lmao
More definition of terrorists according to our federal government, but I'm sure you claim they are victims not terrorists
https://youtu.be/c0G6UsuzalQ
Works both ways, Cman. Does anyone think that planning to overthrow the duly elected sitting government is not a terrorist act? Trump did encourage them to march on capitol hill. Not all the problems of the world , but he did contribute the the PBoys coming out of the woodwork, like roaches. Earlier he said , Stand down but stay ready. Presidential talk?
Actually it apparently does not work both ways as there is a huge double standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
The definition of terrorism can only be decided by the left, who want to pick and choose. First Nation prime example of this fact, the left call them victims, when they are terrorists like proud boys.
https://youtu.be/NMXpweIZcHc
No they are not anything alike. . First nations want back land that the contracts signed by the government, says is theirs. The PBoys want what they have no claim to, just because of their colour. They have no signed treaty , saying that they own something , that the government won't give them. See the difference.
The only thing there is to see is your double standard, which many here have already stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
It does not matter whatsoever the issues at hand, the acts of both groups are defined as terrorism by our federal government based solely on their actions.
The only racist are people like you with your double standards
It's the old story isn't it? One persons revolutionary is another person's freedom fighter. Twas ever thus. That's how wars get started.
What are the PBoys fighting for ? The right to be openly racist , without consequences? They have stated that to be a member you must be, ‘all white and all male’.
One of the questions might be at least in the Canadian context is just how much of an actual threat these arsehats really are. From what I've seen the biggest threat presented in Canada by any of them would be to mom's fridge when they came out of the basement.
Well in the states,they do have videos of them playing organized ‘war games ‘, with weapons in the bush.
What does the writer James DiFore have to do with the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Canadaman wrote the following "Your aware the head of Toronto's BLM, believes white man should be eliminated."
He has offered zero proof to back up this statement.
LOL true as I wrote previously they would be "potato peelers" in the Wehrmacht, considering their IQ level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
True enough and designation on the Canadian terror list does not hinge solely on activities in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Generally speak however the neo-Nazi/white supremacists in Canada seem to be largely a small and disorganized assortment of misfits and losers.
John I would like to think we are all ANTIFA supporter on this forum, did our parents not fight WW 2 against them?Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
If your at a demonstration are you with the ANTIFA side or the Proud Boys?
If this is NOT YOUR CANADA what exactly is your Canada?
This is where the public are very suspicious of Conservatives what are "CANADIAN VALUES" is one Canadian worth less than another?
Misfits they are, I remember Ernest Zundel are having to guard his home after he ignited riot's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Yeh weekend warrior's and they wonder why their assault rifles are going south up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Hey I used to do that while I wore a uniform of the Canadian Government....prey sure it was terrorists training against a foreign government....HaHa..Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Over to you,Canadaman30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
The problem is it doesn't appear that any of the PBs have been charged with any terrorism related offences. I heard a legal beagle on a US station say they have a good chance of challenging the listing as a terrorist organisation. At least till they have been formally charged and convicted of crimes that are related to terrorism.
The charges against some members are criminal...and they may be found guilty, but until they are charged with crimes that fall under the terrorist label...
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Two members of the far-right nationalist group the Proud Boys were indicted on Friday in federal court for conspiring to obstruct law enforcement and other charges related to their participation in the deadly riots on the Capitol on Jan 6.
Dominic Pezzola, 43, of Rochester, New York, and William Pepe, 31, of Beacon, New York, were initially charged by criminal complaint and arrested earlier this month, according to a news release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
The men were indicted in D.C. federal court Friday on charges of conspiracy, civil disorder, unlawfully entering restricted buildings or grounds and disorderly and disruptive conduct in restricted buildings or grounds.
Sadly when the truth is revealed the left will deny, kick and stomp like spoiled little kids that can't have their way. They will deflect and try to change the subjects to accuse others of doing the exact things they are guilty of.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The left cry unity while claiming leftist terrorist groups are victims.
Double standards would be an understatement.
The left want order of law as long as it doesn't infringe on their views. Breaking the laws are justified if you have a leftist view, otherwise your committing acts of terrorism.
Depending on who you ask, are these people victims or is it committing acts of terrorism, according to Canadian definition
https://youtu.be/NMXpweIZcHc
https://youtu.be/c0G6UsuzalQ
https://youtu.be/YvJ9bv3ygss
Got him, hook, line and sinker...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Canadaman
"Sadly when the truth is revealed the left will deny, kick and stomp like spoiled little kids that can't have their way."
Your problem is that you throw out statements with no evidence behind them, you appear to get all your news from Rebel News or the Buffalo Chronicle. Aboriginal protests are more tolerated because land claims are at issue, we are all aware you are anti aboriginal from your past posts.
Kick, scream, lay on the floor and cry is all your capable of doing...and not acknowledging the truth and facts presented to you. My kids used to do that as well.., didn't work then either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Your first two video's are disputes over land claims and we are seeing only snippets of what one side did and not the other, the last video is mostly women being arrested by police using more force than is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You have no idea of what I am capable of doing, you have no facts or truth just your own little opinions. A snowflake selling a snow job Mr Snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
When all else fails, resort to name calling....lmao....nextQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
C man why don’t you just show him the proof? Prove you are correct. Nothing else, no deflecting videos, just prove your statement. Then it’s done, over , finished. Move on.
Usual deflection, I need evidence for your claims, not more silly video's.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Here's the proof for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgA77j5LyY
Love it Bush, how are your Liberal voting neighbors these days up in the SooooooooQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Gilroy and Fishcan, the truth was presented before I could do it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
What is the problem, why you both refuse to accept the truth when presented to you and the rest of the forum?
POST #14 was delivered to the request. If you read it, there is no need to repeat it..
More truth
https://youtu.be/1f4vLj49KoQ
Nothing in post 14 backs up what you said or your quote. Sorry, another failed deflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
More peaceful people..lol
https://youtu.be/GXXctkfMb7k
More fake news ..lol
I'm not sure Gilroy? The reserves up this way are closed off due to covid, so no news from them? Another group of them up here don't speak english or french, so haven't understood anything they're saying? And the rest of them are in a line-up at wally world spending their CERB money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Almost no point in you going out to vote in the next election then, thing's look peachy. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Which side would I be on if I stumbled onto a demonstration between ANTIFA vs. Proud Boys? Neither. I'd find a safe, elevated position and watch the fun hoping for a long, bloody battle with many debilitating, non-fatal casualties on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
ANTIFA is just a label.....a name. Just like Proud Boys. Just because ANTIFA says they are anti fascist does not mean they only protest anti hate.........then why are they showing up and protesting pipelines, protesting capitalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/anti-f...ries-1.3858163
My grandfather and great grandfather did not leave their family to go off and fight in Europe so that these clowns could vandalize buildings, businesses and harass people. These clowns need to move our of their parents basement, get a job, and be a contributor to society rather than a leach.
they have litino's and brown guys tooQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
See.......we are already a minority in our own white nationalists groups - LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3030
I'm from the Maritimes born in NS, can I be a minority?
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Originally Posted by 410001661
I get a kick out of ANTIFA. They riot,demonstrate,are into cancel culture big time and show up at all sorts of different demonstrations to hijack them for their own "cause" by being..........FASCISTS. I don't think they have a clue in a carload WTH they're even about,let alone accomplish whatever the hell it is they think they're about.
You already are. A newfie wannabe.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Violence isn't justified, but ANTIFA and BLM say it is justified and "reparation" while Proud Boys talks about defending themselves and seems to be the target of violence and usually just defend after attacked, as usual watching longer videos to see what is going on the media has just so many lies, do P.B. have some bad ones, of course but there is just so much fiction .. white supremacist is often used... I mean look at the current lead.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/128184...nrique-tarrio/.
Antifa has always been violent and is quite well funded but as Gavin described them they are nuts.
Proud Boys started out good but has had some issues, actually in just a few years Gavin Mcinnes was basically had to quit. It took me a bit to find this video of Gavin early 2018 before got pushed out, but it talks a bit about his founding it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPpb...ature=emb_logo
and in most cases it seems ANTIFA is the starter of the violence in most cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJdgP6mTpH4&t=81s
and Gavin is suing Biden, funny a black cuban is the head of Proud Boys a supposedly "racist" group..... it's nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaY_...ature=emb_logo
The ball less leader we have,
https://i.cbc.ca/1.4206713.150050148...g-20170714.jpg
perhaps Gavin is right it is a war against masculinity... it's toxic leftist's like Justlied that are upset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNL1x-sNZdI
While ANTIFA in protesting a gay speaker ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_vX0tknJM&feature=emb_logo
and just last month attacks Democrat offices
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-or...nge-not-biden/
While our PM Justlied goes out with a group that can be directly tied to the death of police officers...
A black woman speaker, here with 5 degrees, calls them a violent Marxist group and talks about the false history being put forward by left propagandists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlMA...ature=emb_logo
and another look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaO...ature=emb_logo
The protests and threats against book stores because of an ANTIFA didn't make much attention in the media, seems like it might be a good book to buy with an almost perfect 5* rating
https://www.amazon.ca/Unmasked-Antif...s%2C215&sr=8-1
x2 -they are just old fashioned anarchists-them being a bit careful not to step to much on the Left.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21