Cabelas - New Policy and form - Buying Reloading Components

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February 24th, 2021, 07:30 AM
line052

Cabelas - New Policy and form - Buying Reloading Components

I dropped by Cabelas in Ottawa to buy some more glock 9MM mags (Magpull) @ $29.99 and tried to pick another 500 small CCI rifle primers at same time.

The had the primers in stock, when the young man came out with primers he plunked a Liability Form down on the counter and asked me to sign off on liability statement and record DL. Well, me being me, I pointed out under the law I am only required to show my DL (I even offered up PAL to proof the sale.) Note: Ironically - I didn't have to show any ID/PAL for Glock Mags...

He went to say it was store policy and they had incidents of liability when selling reloading components and in order to sell them to customers they are required to sign off this liability form to release Cabelas from any potential lawsuits from misuses.

Well - needless to say, I left them on the counter.

I have zero issues with store policies and support their right to do so 100%. I also support my right to vote and pay with my dollars and take my business elsewhere 100%.

I asked to speak with the store manager and he confirmed the policy - and I said this is going to hurt your brand in the community. HE asked me how - I said by default your policy assumes criminal intent for your customers - whether real or not. We legal firearms owners and under enough attack now, that this is just another assumption of criminality on the most highly vetted and legal section of society.

Deaf Ears...it fell on. Same goes for CTC Kemptville who when buying ammo requires you to provide DL to be recorded as store policy.
February 24th, 2021, 08:10 AM
finsfurfeathers

Your choice but I'd have too agree with their policy.
With todays society if something goes wrong the blame goes to everyone else but the individual. It be foolish for a business not to protect themseleves.
February 24th, 2021, 08:19 AM
410001661

Just do what I do......show them your drivers license and print another name off on the form and sign with an X. They want information they will get it - wrong information.
February 24th, 2021, 08:19 AM
impact

Protecting themselves or a sneaky form of registration? We are continuously being asked to leave personal information everywhere for tracking purposes.
Good on you Mark for taking a stand.
February 24th, 2021, 11:16 AM
MikePal

Man I miss Gun Shows, pick up all this stuff no questions, no record and no taxes...Ahhh the good old days.

Liability for what ??? If they don't want to be liable they are in the wrong business...almost everything they sell could make them liable in the hands of a good lawyer.

Does appear to be a back door registration system.

I'm pretty sure CT has always had the DL requirements for Ammo, as long back as I remember. It was there under the old FAC rules.
February 24th, 2021, 11:26 AM
Bowjob

hah, when i went in to buy my shotgun, i didnt have my drivers license but had other forms of ID, plus my pal. they wouldn't sell me a shotgun without a drivers license. i had to get my dad to put it under his name to get it. complete stupidness if you ask me. same thing with ammo when i go there. they wont sell it unless you show a drivers license and a pal.
February 24th, 2021, 11:43 AM
fishermccann

Picture ID is needed, to prove you are the person on the PAL. So the new health card would work.
February 24th, 2021, 12:12 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

Picture ID is needed. So the new health card would work.

They need the address...NOT on health Card.

The CT system works great: I had to get my buddy, standing next to me (No PAL) to provide his DL for some ammo for me. The clerk put it in the locked zipper bag and he handed it to me (right in front of the her) and I went to the front and paid for it.

My wallet was in the truck, so worse come to worse, I would have run out and got it.
February 24th, 2021, 12:27 PM
fishermccann

Would not your name and picture on the health card , match the name on the ID with the address? You do not have to have a drivers licence to purchase guns or ammo. Never had, or lost your drivers licence for ??? , so you can't purchase ?
February 24th, 2021, 12:51 PM
Gun Nut

Sounds a bit odd, I was once asked for similar information at a gun shop when buying powder, that dealer has since gone out of business I'm not sure of what became of his records. I recall going to a CTC once to pick up some pyrodex, I asked the attendant if he need to see my PAL, He said no, it's not ammunition. At gun shows if you're picking up components there is no questions asked. However if you pick up ammunition, they ask to see your PAL, which is a requirement.. It maybe that the liability form, that you are being ask to sign, was dreamed up to ensure staff at these businesses are actually checking your PAL. It may be just an in-house mean of ensuring checks are being done. Still you never know, it might be a back door approach to tracking gun owners, although one would think the licensing system would cover that. As to whether they could determine much from the primers you purchase, as to what kind of arsenal you have, that would only be guess work. Of course, not everyone who has a PAL necessarily owns firearms. However if you are purchasing components to load ammunition there is a pretty good chance you do.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.
February 24th, 2021, 01:02 PM
Bowjob

i even had my passport they wouldnt take it. they said they NEEDED a drivers license and a pal . same thing at SAIL.
February 24th, 2021, 01:10 PM
fishermccann

I will have to tell a friend who purchased ammo at Sail ,(Oshawa), without a drivers licence, ( he lost it for impaired), that he got away with one. How did he get there? His son, who has no PAL. Lol.
February 24th, 2021, 01:49 PM
Bowjob

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

I will have to tell a friend who purchased ammo at Sail ,(Oshawa), without a drivers licence, ( he lost it for impaired), that he got away with one. How did he get there? His son, who has no PAL. Lol.

yeah doesnt make to much sense hahahha. i guess so you have a way to transport it home maybe? idk. they wouldnt give me a reason other than they cant sell it unless i give them a divers license and a pal
February 24th, 2021, 03:04 PM
Sam Menard

I think that the liability disclaimer also covers them if you blow yourself up while reloading,
February 24th, 2021, 03:10 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Menard

I think that the liability disclaimer also covers them if you blow yourself up while reloading,

Or if you shot yourself with a Gun you bought there ??? HaHa..

I looked on-line and didn't see any requirements to fill out a liability form to buy/order Primers on-line from Cabela's.

Seems really odd.

You should have come back thru Richmond Mark and stopped at 'That Hunting Store'...they don't play silly games.
February 24th, 2021, 03:10 PM
greatwhite

What if you do not have a Drivers License?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowjob

i even had my passport they wouldnt take it. they said they NEEDED a drivers license and a pal . same thing at SAIL.
February 24th, 2021, 05:24 PM
Bowjob

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhite

What if you do not have a Drivers License?

they wont sell. again had to get my dad to put it under his name to get it.
February 24th, 2021, 05:32 PM
greatwhite

Most times when I purchase in the city from Canadian Tire they forget to even ask me for my PAL or anything, I think legally if you do not have a drivers license they can use any form of ID that has picture on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowjob

they wont sell. again had to get my dad to put it under his name to get it.
February 24th, 2021, 08:21 PM
trky chsr

Not sure about the liability issue but the confusion over drivers licence or not is understandable. You obviously need a PAL to purchase ammo but thanks to Dalton McGuinty and the Ammunition Act of Ontario retailers have to record your name and address when purchasing ammo. Other provinces don't have this requirement and in those provinces you just have to produce your PAL. Now as for primers and powder that falls under the Explosives Act whereby you don't need a PAL to purchase but must produce your name, address and phone number, if you have one. Of course I could be wrong on all of this but I don't believe I am. TC
February 24th, 2021, 10:33 PM
heronk

When you purchase ammo at Cabela's they don't need to record anything because it is all entered in their database when they scan your PAL at the cash. At That Hunting Store the information is copied from your PAL manually.
February 25th, 2021, 07:20 AM
line052

Ya I have been shopping lots there lately, and it is where I got the Ruger PC 9. At the same time they had a bunch of reloading consignment as well. I got a 4lb jug of Vitravori 3N37 at a good price and 1000 shotgun primers 209. The knock off Glock mags are $41, and the Magpul were $29 at Cabelas..hence the trip. I got the Uplula (magpul), quick pistol round loader as well - have no idea why I didn't have this tool before for pistol mags...man it is so easy to load mags now.

For those commenting about DL - it has been a requirement when buying, powder or primers to show and record DL - that is/was not my issue - it signing a liability form on behalf of a corporation - that is a no go for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

Or if you shot yourself with a Gun you bought there ??? HaHa..

I looked on-line and didn't see any requirements to fill out a liability form to buy/order Primers on-line from Cabela's.

Seems really odd.

You should have come back thru Richmond Mark and stopped at 'That Hunting Store'...they don't play silly games.
February 25th, 2021, 09:07 AM
Pair88

Quote:

Originally Posted by line052

Ya I have been shopping lots there lately, and it is where I got the Ruger PC 9. At the same time they had a bunch of reloading consignment as well. I got a 4lb jug of Vitravori 3N37 at a good price and 1000 shotgun primers 209. The knock off Glock mags are $41, and the Magpul were $29 at Cabelas..hence the trip. I got the Uplula (magpul), quick pistol round loader as well - have no idea why I didn't have this tool before for pistol mags...man it is so easy to load mags now.

For those commenting about DL - it has been a requirement when buying, powder or primers to show and record DL - that is/was not my issue - it signing a liability form on behalf of a corporation - that is a no go for me.

Love the ruger pc, do you know anyone who needs the spare ruger mags that come with it I have 2 and they are just downstairs collecting dust never even loaded up a single round for them, also is the loader for the mags that much better to help load???? I was very curious about it but for like 45$ I didn't want to purchase it and realize it doesn't work lol
February 25th, 2021, 09:14 AM
410001661

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

Picture ID is needed, to prove you are the person on the PAL. So the new health card would work.

When showing your drivers license do you need to show other photo ID to prove you are the person on the drivers license? Then why have a picture on it?

.......and Liberals wonder why everyone thinks they are idiots.
February 25th, 2021, 11:02 AM
Mauro

Cabelas - New Policy and form - Buying Reloading Components

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

I will have to tell a friend who purchased ammo at Sail ,(Oshawa), without a drivers licence, ( he lost it for impaired), that he got away with one. How did he get there? His son, who has no PAL. Lol.

I was at Sail in Burlington last week and purchased 2 flats of target loads. Only showed my PAL. They didn’t ask for the DL.

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February 25th, 2021, 05:21 PM
delmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by trky chsr

Not sure about the liability issue but the confusion over drivers licence or not is understandable. You obviously need a PAL to purchase ammo but thanks to Dalton McGuinty and the Ammunition Act of Ontario retailers have to record your name and address when purchasing ammo. Other provinces don't have this requirement and in those provinces you just have to produce your PAL.

Exactly. You need a firearms license and another piece of ID that shows your address, which for most people, is their driver's license. I'm not sure if there is any other government issued ID that shows your address.
February 26th, 2021, 01:00 AM
MihajloSimsic

I plan to leave this country before they start kicking doors down of anyone with a PAL. They're heading that direction at full speed already and I pray for their souls when they do
February 26th, 2021, 07:29 AM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by trky chsr

Not sure about the liability issue but the confusion over drivers licence or not is understandable. You obviously need a PAL to purchase ammo but thanks to Dalton McGuinty and the Ammunition Act of Ontario retailers have to record your name and address when purchasing ammo. Other provinces don't have this requirement and in those provinces you just have to produce your PAL. Now as for primers and powder that falls under the Explosives Act whereby you don't need a PAL to purchase but must produce your name, address and phone number, if you have one. Of course I could be wrong on all of this but I don't believe I am. TC

Pretty much correct except that it was Bob Rae who brought in the Ammunition Act.
February 27th, 2021, 07:56 AM
Stu

Yes, Bob, good old Bob brought in this legislation. All we asked for was PAL for ammo, no other ID. For powder, different legislation, {Energy, Mines, and Resources} we just asked for name and address to put on the invoice. Some customers balked at that, so it just became easier to ask for driver's license, which is what some of the other staff did. Nothing required for primers, other than we wouldn't sell to anyone under eighteen. There isn't much of anything in the store that we would sell under eighteen.