COVID-19 Vaccine to come in pill form?

Not sure if this was posted earlier, if so I missed it, just in case; interesting research. Get us hooked on a quarterly pill instead of injections. :)

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Difference between the Vaccine in Capsule and vaccine in injection:

The respective individual way these two types of vaccines work is what sets them apart. While existing vaccines help create antibodies to the spike protein on the surface of the coronavirus, ImmunityBio's T-cell vaccine targets the globe in the middle — a part scientists say is less prone to mutation.

All three vaccines authorized for emergency use in the U.S. - from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson - work by creating antibodies that neutralize the spike protein that the coronavirus uses to enter and infect human cells.

The pill vaccine aims its ammo at the globe-shaped centre of the virus, which does not often mutate. Dr Soon-Shiong says the value of ImmunityBio's vaccine is that it generates "killer T cells" that target the centre of the coronavirus, which is less prone to mutation. Current vaccines create antibodies to the spiky part of the virus on the surface.

Faster, cheaper, easier to transport and administer:

If the vaccine in capsule form becomes a reality and wins FDA approval for use, it will be faster, cheaper and easier to administer because it wouldn't have to be stored at refrigerator or freezing temperatures.

Though researchers are hopeful the oral T-cell-creating approach may result in greater protection against COVID, the scientists working on the capsule vaccine say they are not aiming at eliminating the shot altogether. They believe capsules and injections working together would be key. So, the jab is not completely gone, a disappointment to those who hate needles.

The oral vaccine is only in experimental stages, and test subjects will be closely monitored for the next 12 months. So do not expect it to be rolling out before the entire process is completed.

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They are also looking at nasal sprays. Big Pharma is looking into every possibly to get you hooked onto their products.

Did you notice that yet again its another Chinese doctor pushing the pill?....lol

Well scrolling through a lot of the off topic forum stuff leaves me thinking that there are a lot of members who would benefit from taking regular medication.

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Originally Posted by impact

They are also looking at nasal sprays. Big Pharma is looking into every possibly to get you hooked onto their products.

Did you notice that yet again its another Chinese doctor pushing the pill?....lol

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Are you totally against vaccinations? Or do you just think this is fake?

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Well scrolling through a lot of the off topic forum stuff leaves me thinking that there are a lot of members who would benefit from taking regular medication.

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The only way to cure Liberal ideology is thru psychotropic drugs to alter their mind-boggling agendas that promote the adoption of unscientific, authoritarian, and sociologically disastrous ideologies. :)

Could we start with a pill that would eliminate the feeling of entitlement in kids today?

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Could we start with a pill that would eliminate the feeling of entitlement in kids today?

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The back of Dad's hand used to be all that was needed..trouble began when that became socially unacceptable :)

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The back of Dad's hand used to be all that was needed..trouble began when that became socially unacceptable :)

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Both of your statements are BS, the fact is that every single generation in history has said the same thing about kids and a lack of respect. Every grandparent has gone on a rant about how horrible kids are today with no consideration for what they were as youths. This has happened in every generation and will continue in every one into the future. This is the same as music, it is all noise once you hit 40, unless it was the stuff from when you were in your prime.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Are you totally against vaccinations? Or do you just think this is fake?

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I am pro vaccine. I got the seasonal influenza shot last November.
I am also current with the shingles shot and hepatitis due to my line of work.
Add tetanus to the list as well and probably forgetting one or two.

I am anti experimental vaccines. Especially when they are pushed as part of an agenda.
I read the labels and if I do not like what I see its a pass for me.

Its like when a used car salesman is pitching the vehicle at you under pressure.
Sometimes best to walk away.

A group of doctors told me last year "We don't know anything about this mRNA vaccine. The microbiologists are in a world of their own. It could be the cure all holy grail or cause cancer in a few years"

This gene therapy drug was initially developed as a treatment for cancer and rushed to market as an emergency use vaccine for covid in the space of a few months. Lets see what happens. There are reports of adverse reactions. You can track in the link below.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a6

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Could we start with a pill that would eliminate the feeling of entitlement in kids today?

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The pill is shut the brainwashing TV and video games off. Throw away the smartphone and enjoy the great outdoors.
Roll up your sleeves and help a neighbour mow the lawn, shovel snow, carry groceries for the elderly.

That is what is required to bring things back to normal.

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Well scrolling through a lot of the off topic forum stuff leaves me thinking that there are a lot of members who would benefit from taking regular medication.

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Well, if the forum is not to your liking why don't you leave?
Its not like you contribute anything in regards to hunting and fishing.
Insulting members will only alienate you.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Both of your statements are BS, the fact is that every single generation in history has said the same thing about kids and a lack of respect.

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How is it BS ? ...every generation IS different...it's been studied and proven...here'a study done by a dept of education...it's clear that the Older generations are right...succeeding generations are different ..some for the better some not so much:

https://www.usf.edu/hr-training/docu...enceschart.pdf

A trip to the back of the wood shed.
A rap across the knuckles in school by a Nun yielding a yard stick.

Yep, the good old days of being taught to pay respect to elders.
Funny how animals still us corporal punishment on their young but we as humans now believe it is bad.

"In Canada, spanking by parents or legal guardians (but nobody else) is legal, as long as the child is between the ages of 2–12, and no implement other than an open, bare hand is used (belts, paddles, etc. are strictly prohibited). It is also illegal to strike the head when disciplining a child."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

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Originally Posted by impact

A group of doctors told me last year "We don't know anything about this mRNA vaccine. The microbiologists are in a world of their own. It could be the cure all holy grail or cause cancer in a few years"

This gene therapy drug was initially developed as a treatment for cancer and rushed to market as an emergency use vaccine for covid in the space of a few months. Lets see what happens. There are reports of adverse reactions. You can track in the link below.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a6

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No disputing that it was rushed, however, mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy. Gene therapy involves either outright gene replacement or gene modification. The vaccines do neither they simply use messenger RNA to deliver instructions to DNA to produce anti bodies.

As for doctors I have 6 doctor friends who all recommend it off the record. They are from 4 different countries and 4 of them are surgeons and 2 are respiratory specialists and none of them are liberals. I will take their advice over anything posted on any internet site either for or against.

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Originally Posted by impact

Well, if the forum is not to your liking why don't you leave?
Its not like you contribute anything in regards to hunting and fishing.
Insulting members will only alienate you.

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Are there that many snowflakes here? I’ve been labeled a troll pretty much since day one. Had my bonafides question because I might have an opinion that differs from the echo chamber. Might I suggest you find the ignore button, add me to your list and lighten up already. It's still a free country last time I check, although according to some here we are steps away from being more communist than Norh Korea. Oh, and have a great day!

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Originally Posted by Species8472

No disputing that it was rushed, however, mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy. Gene therapy involves either outright gene replacement or gene modification. The vaccines do neither they simply use messenger RNA to deliver instructions to DNA to produce anti bodies.

As for doctors I have 6 doctor friends who all recommend it off the record. They are from 4 different countries and 4 of them are surgeons and 2 are respiratory specialists and none of them are liberals. I will take their advice over anything posted on any internet site either for or against.

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Are your doctor friends part of this group of professionals?

https://gbdeclaration.org/

"As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity."

"The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection."

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Originally Posted by impact

Are your doctor friends part of this group of professionals?

https://gbdeclaration.org/

"As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity."

"The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection."

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Don'y know if they are or not. Looking at their declaration and if they are who they say they are they seem like a credible bunch. There approach seems reasonable and actually is not that far out of line with what has happened in some parts of the States - herd immunity through a combination of exposure and vaccination.

Was actually supposed to have all my doc friends fly in this past March for a week of sledding and ice fishing but that all got kiboshed. Latest plan was to meet in the upper Peruvian Amazon for 2 weeks of Rainforest kayaking and camping in September but that looks unlikely as well right now.

I said in the first lockdown the USA would be in a better position before Canada. It's probably in the first lockdown thread.


Impact
They made the vaccine is in like 34 to 38 days something like that.

Took them 12 years of previous trials for it to come to an end because it kept making re infection worse and killed the animals.

Might be a good idea to wait even the mnra was released before it's time before it would have been approved by years. New reports of some nerve issues with people not being able to feel parts of their body. Was a in the news today they can't say for sure but are looking into it.

Going by the numbers lots of people don't need the vaccine. I guess if your over 60 you should talk to your doctor. I would not recommend it to anyone under 40 .

The flu kills more under 40 than covid. According to government information.

The news makes it sound like a war zone.

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Originally Posted by impact

I am pro vaccine. I got the seasonal influenza shot last November.
I am also current with the shingles shot and hepatitis due to my line of work.
Add tetanus to the list as well and probably forgetting one or two.

I am anti experimental vaccines. Especially when they are pushed as part of an agenda.
I read the labels and if I do not like what I see its a pass for me.

Its like when a used car salesman is pitching the vehicle at you under pressure.
Sometimes best to walk away.

A group of doctors told me last year "We don't know anything about this mRNA vaccine. The microbiologists are in a world of their own. It could be the cure all holy grail or cause cancer in a few years"

This gene therapy drug was initially developed as a treatment for cancer and rushed to market as an emergency use vaccine for covid in the space of a few months. Lets see what happens. There are reports of adverse reactions. You can track in the link below.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a6

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Your sources are YouTube, yes these need to be analyzed but we are looking at a very low number of issues with a vaccine that has been developed in a very short period of time. The fact that this was developed quickly does not mean it is bill gates tracking you or the world health organization reorganizing the world. You have the right to not take this vaccine, there is nothing forcing you but you are straight up sharing conspiracies, I am waiting for you to claim the world is flat or that we are the products of aliens.

I get that you are scared of this, that is totally valid, but these scientists are trying and doing all of this with the greatest education in the field, not some guy tossing a few chemicals in a blender and feeding it to the masses.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Your sources are YouTube, yes these need to be analyzed but we are looking at a very low number of issues with a vaccine that has been developed in a very short period of time. The fact that this was developed quickly does not mean it is bill gates tracking you or the world health organization reorganizing the world. You have the right to not take this vaccine, there is nothing forcing you but you are straight up sharing conspiracies, I am waiting for you to claim the world is flat or that we are the products of aliens.

I get that you are scared of this, that is totally valid, but these scientists are trying and doing all of this with the greatest education in the field, not some guy tossing a few chemicals in a blender and feeding it to the masses.

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Well put Fox. YouTube and Facebook are pretty sketchy places for information. In fact, development of the mRNA vaccine has been 20 years in the making. Here is some non-mainstream media science info: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1. One only has to look at Israel to see the effects of vaccinations and India at the problems that occur when very few have them. Say what you want, but it's pure science. One population doesn't get sick and another does. Pretty damn good evidence.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Your sources are YouTube, yes these need to be analyzed but we are looking at a very low number of issues with a vaccine that has been developed in a very short period of time. The fact that this was developed quickly does not mean it is bill gates tracking you or the world health organization reorganizing the world. You have the right to not take this vaccine, there is nothing forcing you but you are straight up sharing conspiracies, I am waiting for you to claim the world is flat or that we are the products of aliens.

I get that you are scared of this, that is totally valid, but these scientists are trying and doing all of this with the greatest education in the field, not some guy tossing a few chemicals in a blender and feeding it to the masses.

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Fox it's approved for emergency use only right now .

With about 50 dead under 40 should we vaccinate people under 40 is it an emergency?

What about the group from 40 to 50 is necessary to be vaccinated ?

Many more died every year under 40 from the regular flu so is it an emergency to vaccinate this group ?

We know who should be getting it
Does everyone need it ? Or should we be using the emergency use only vaccines to the most vulnerable?


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With a survival rate of 99.7% under the age of 60

Does that qualify to use as an experimental vaccine on the majority of Canadians? That's out for emergency purpose?

Just asking for a friend lol.

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Fox I have to disagree my parents nor did any of my friends parents think kids were lazy when I was growing up. They didn't like my music, well some of it they didn't like.
But in general my parents thought kid's were pretty hard working. It wasn't hard back then to find a kid to mow your lawn but fast forward to today and it's next to impossible.

As for discipline , yeah I got the back of my old man's hand many times and I deserved it very well, I will guarantee you that if he had not I probably would have gotten in much more trouble then I did.
It was even common for close friends parents to discipline the others kid if both were caught together getting into trouble.

I do not see many kid's with good values today for from it.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Both of your statements are BS, the fact is that every single generation in history has said the same thing about kids and a lack of respect. Every grandparent has gone on a rant about how horrible kids are today with no consideration for what they were as youths. This has happened in every generation and will continue in every one into the future. This is the same as music, it is all noise once you hit 40, unless it was the stuff from when you were in your prime.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The back of Dad's hand used to be all that was needed..trouble began when that became socially unacceptable :)

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Originally Posted by Fox

Your sources are YouTube, yes these need to be analyzed but we are looking at a very low number of issues with a vaccine that has been developed in a very short period of time. The fact that this was developed quickly does not mean it is bill gates tracking you or the world health organization reorganizing the world. You have the right to not take this vaccine, there is nothing forcing you but you are straight up sharing conspiracies, I am waiting for you to claim the world is flat or that we are the products of aliens.

I get that you are scared of this, that is totally valid, but these scientists are trying and doing all of this with the greatest education in the field, not some guy tossing a few chemicals in a blender and feeding it to the masses.

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Well put Fox. YouTube and Facebook are pretty sketchy places for information. In fact, development of the mRNA vaccine has been 20 years in the making. Here is some non-mainstream media science info: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1. One only has to look at Israel to see the effects of vaccinations and India at the problems that occur when very few have them. Say what you want, but it's pure science. One population doesn't get sick and another does. Pretty damn good evidence.

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Sometimes you need different news sources to see the real side .

The world is scrambling when a 125 people die of covid in per hour .

But they fail to leave out on average that 1125 die per hour without covid covid.
Or how there hospitals are lacking comparing to the rest of the world.

Apparently India has ranked in over 100th place for having bad health care . Pre covid. So they have poor health care they are very poor they have one of the biggest populations .

Wake up people.

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India is only seeing a 0. Something% death rate

0.77 or something. Leaving a 99.23 percent survival rate.

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GMO humans coming soon with all there Trial MRNA vaccines.
I just wish they asked us first, I much prefer DBC Reticle with 3-7X zoom az new eyes lol

Hey on the bright side you can now take off your mask OUTDOORS if you're fully vaccinated in the States. What an incentive!

I didn't realize it was a rule to wear a mask outdoors at all, just a suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Moosehead

Well put Fox. YouTube and Facebook are pretty sketchy places for information. In fact, development of the mRNA vaccine has been 20 years in the making. Here is some non-mainstream media science info: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1. One only has to look at Israel to see the effects of vaccinations and India at the problems that occur when very few have them. Say what you want, but it's pure science. One population doesn't get sick and another does. Pretty damn good evidence.

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I keep seeing people quoting that there are no flu deaths and that this is no different than the flu, but the numbers are much different.

99.7% survival rate does not mean anything when the long term effects are included. I have a friend in her 30s who is a certified personal trainer, she got covid in december, she had ZERO health issues before that and now cannot use a tread mill due to the lung damage and long haul symptoms. I also have at least 3 family members who are fighting it right now, 1 is in her early 50s and 2 of her kids. Survival is not the end of this but that is difficult to get through some people's skulls.

If you want to watch YouTube for you news that is fine but actually search out the source material, there are lots of video that "prove" the earth is flat too, just saying.

You do realize MRNA vaccines do not change your DNA.

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Originally Posted by Ata83

GMO humans coming soon with all there Trial MRNA vaccines.
I just wish they asked us first, I much prefer DBC Reticle with 3-7X zoom az new eyes lol

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My Son in law best friend in Saskatchewan with a wife and 2 year old child and was other wise healthy age I think was 33 died a few weeks ago from Covid.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I keep seeing people quoting that there are no flu deaths and that this is no different than the flu, but the numbers are much different.

99.7% survival rate does not mean anything when the long term effects are included. I have a friend in her 30s who is a certified personal trainer, she got covid in december, she had ZERO health issues before that and now cannot use a tread mill due to the lung damage and long haul symptoms. I also have at least 3 family members who are fighting it right now, 1 is in her early 50s and 2 of her kids. Survival is not the end of this but that is difficult to get through some people's skulls.

If you want to watch YouTube for you news that is fine but actually search out the source material, there are lots of video that "prove" the earth is flat too, just saying.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

With a survival rate of 99.7% under the age of 60

Does that qualify to use as an experimental vaccine on the majority of Canadians? That's out for emergency purpose?

Just asking for a friend lol.

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I guess the 1918 influenza was nothing as well, they had the same survival rate, even without the intervention that we have with modern hospitals.

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/n...tality-impacts

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Originally Posted by Fox

I guess the 1918 influenza was nothing as well, they had the same survival rate, even without the intervention that we have with modern hospitals.

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/n...tality-impacts

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It's probably the same rate as covid is

Influenza kills just as many or more than covid does so what's the difference ? Under the age of 40.

Influenza kills more under under 20 than covid does.

Side by side comparison there is not much of a difference other than we vaccine to flu to keep it at bay.

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The real problem with Covid is that it is much much more contagious. Also according to Dr's it leaves long lasting damage to the lungs

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Originally Posted by fishfood

It's probably the same rate as covid is

Influenza kills just as many or more than covid does so what's the difference ?

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

The real problem with Covid is that it is much much more contagious. Also according to Dr's it leaves long lasting damage to the lungs

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Covid also brings opportunity to fight climate change lol.

Big opportunities with covid 19.



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Originally Posted by Fox

I guess the 1918 influenza was nothing as well, they had the same survival rate, even without the intervention that we have with modern hospitals.

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/n...tality-impacts

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The first two sentences in your link directly contradict the point you are trying to make. Add the fact that is refers to New York city where the pandemic was grossly mishandled by governor Cuomo and mayor Del Blasio by carelessly re admitting covid infected patients into nursing homes instead of admitting them to the Navy hospitals Trump deployed off shore resulting in many needless deaths and cases.

"A new analysis of excess deaths in New York City this spring shows that the current pandemic’s peak had a dramatic impact on mortality in the city, one comparable to that of the 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic.

Investigators found that while the overall incidence rate of mortality was higher in the 1918 pandemic, the current increase was more striking, given that the baseline death rate today is substantially lower than it was a century ago."