Delta Variant: Fear Mongering

Studies out of UK....the Delta variant is a 'puddy cat' ..because it's affecting younger people, all they are getting is basically a cold.

The truth is, there is no need to fear the Delta variant...but that is not the message the Politicians want you to hear.
Without fear and reprisals, they can no longer support this lockdown.

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Headache, sore throat, runny nose and fever are now the top four reported symptoms, all while the more-infectious delta variant, also known as B1617, is sweeping mainly through people under 40 in the U.K.

"It's more like a bad cold in this younger population," Spector said.

Having a cough clocked in as the fifth most-reported symptom — less common than before, he said — while loss of smell is no longer in the top ten.

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While it's good news if COVID-19 truly shows up more often like a common cold, a shift in commonly-experienced symptoms could have an impact on how regions tackle the rest of the pandemic.

Experts have warned pockets of the population with lower vaccination rates are still at risk for infections, and Chagla said milder experiences that don't warrant a trip to a testing centre or hospital could make it harder to track the virus' spread within vulnerable settings in the months ahead.

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"It's going to make testing, as a strategy, a whole lot more difficult," he explained. "Especially with common symptoms being something like a headache — people get headaches for a lot of reasons."

That means community-based testing won't be a feasible option in Canada for much longer despite being a staple throughout much of the pandemic, Chagla said, since it's hard to expect people to rush out for a test at every run-of-the-mill symptom.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/why-c...toms-1.6069831

I gave up believing so called experts a long time back, The true ones have been and are still censored to hide the truth from brainwashed and scared witless citizens.

I had the occasion to speak at length to a microbiologist, that deals with infectious diseases. He says that each time this virus mutates to a variant, it weakens. Hopefully that’s the case…

Variants are why you catch colds and flu every year and flu shots are yearly. They change so fast you are basically infected with a new virus every season.

Variants are the evolutionary path a virus takes from either outside pressure ( like vaccines), or resistance within an infected host (immune response). A mutation (variant) arises during the replication process that does a better job than the last version, so it becomes the dominant strain. This variant is an evolutionary mistake, a typo, but RNA viruses replicate typos. This happens a lot and most "typos" are evolutionary dead ends, but once in a while a variant has an evolutionary edge. That's a "variant of concern".
It's important to remember that viruses don't survive by killing their hosts.

Variants are scary to governments that have gone all in on vaccines for covid version 1.0, they aren't any more deadly to you on an individual level, despite what the experts say.

All conspiracy theories aside, if people turned off the news and spend that time educating themselves on how viruses work (look at information prior to 2019), they would be a lot less scared of covid and variants.

And now here today we have new variant symptoms being reported as "much like a bad cold".

Because that's basically what it is...

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Originally Posted by GW11

Variants are why you catch colds and flu every year and flu shots are yearly.

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Saw an interview with the CEO of Maderna this morning. The lab/plant is already gearing up for the 'Annual' Covid shot for this fall.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Saw an interview with the CEO of Maderna this morning. The lab/plant is already gearing up for the 'Annual' Covid shot for this fall.

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How long will our government continue to "extend", the Emergencies Act, so that Health Canada can continue to approve experimental medicines?

Only a couple years ago many where called stupid or ridiculed for getting paid to do experimental drug trials. MSM done such a great job, the same people are now part of a large experimental drug trial and calling those that choose not, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers.

Very sobering watching how easy people can't be told how to think just by watching or listening the news...

Well at least a couple years ago people actually got paid to be part of an experiment....:o

Trudeau really loves to rub it in to his electorate that covid rules only apply to them and not their messiah. G7 the turd makes fun of his followers who call anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers the problem, BTW he didn't wear a mask..lol. They are half right, Trudeau is the problem :joker:

Theres a lot of things that don't make sense frankly.
Neither the response from governments, so called health officials who seem to be on a power trip, forgetting who they answer to.
Not from the public, on either side. Plenty of fear mongering going on, sensationalizing, blowing things out of proportion from both sides, and for a good illustration of this.

" More people under 70 are killed by cars every year, than by Covid"....Yep, that helps put Covid in context.
"A few dozen have been killed by vaccines (Is it even that high in Canada?) ..." oMG, they are using us as rats....no way I'm getting one.( So get AZ) No way, more people are hit by lightning each year but nope, no way I'm chancing a clot.....Too each their own but it is kind of comical.

About the only aspect that does make sense is the media's response. They stopped being journalists sometime during the 80s, probably around the time rags or what ever they are called started becoming popular.

One aspect that is currently driving me nuts, is that there are people in 50s/60s waiting to get their second shots that can't, while people in their 30 and 40s are starting to get their second. Our niece is I think late 30s. She got her second last week... But I suppose optics matter ( 60%) when it comes to votes.....

As for Covid, again no surprise. While its not the flu, it is much like one. Yet we are freaking out about likely needing yearly shots?......

Shut off the TV, throw the politicians in jail for crimes against humanity and lets get on with our lives minus these morons.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Theres a lot of things that don't make sense frankly.
Neither the response from governments, so called health officials who seem to be on a power trip, forgetting who they answer to.
Not from the public, on either side. Plenty of fear mongering going on, sensationalizing, blowing things out of proportion from both sides, and for a good illustration of this.

" More people under 70 are killed by cars every year, than by Covid"....Yep, that helps put Covid in context.
"A few dozen have been killed by vaccines (Is it even that high in Canada?) ..." oMG, they are using us as rats....no way I'm getting one.( So get AZ) No way, more people are hit by lightning each year but nope, no way I'm chancing a clot.....Too each their own but it is kind of comical.

About the only aspect that does make sense is the media's response. They stopped being journalists sometime during the 80s, probably around the time rags or what ever they are called started becoming popular.

One aspect that is currently driving me nuts, is that there are people in 50s/60s waiting to get their second shots that can't, while people in their 30 and 40s are starting to get their second. Our niece is I think late 30s. She got her second last week... But I suppose optics matter ( 60%) when it comes to votes.....

As for Covid, again no surprise. While its not the flu, it is much like one. Yet we are freaking out about likely needing yearly shots?......

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couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by smitty55

I gave up believing so called experts a long time back, The true ones have been and are still censored to hide the truth from brainwashed and scared witless citizens.

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Cheers, excellent post..:thumbup:

Me and the Mrs. are scheduled for our second shot this Tuesday AM. After that,the fearmongers can ram- jam it sideways. My first shot was AZ. This one will be Moderna. Sux that I won't be allowed into the Bruce Springsteen concert in NYC. That'll sure cause a few sleepless nights. :rolleye::rolleye:

Trimmer
We were originally scheduled end of Aug. Then Aug 9th.

My fiancé’s father late 70s and has MS just got his second last week or week before. The MS is so bad now, he was also admitted to hospital last week. He may not get out. No one is sure if they will be able to see him again, and haven’t since last spring.

My fiancé started calling around, going on the Ontario website. Trying to get her second ASAP. The earliest she could get, was 90 min away in Barrie, July 22nd.
She just found a place for July 8th.

Yet her niece, her husband. Her 42 year sister/husband. And many of our friends in their 40s. All have their second.

Which age groups are mostly likely to get really sick? Break hospitals?

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Originally Posted by JBen

Trimmer
We were originally scheduled end of Aug. Then Aug 9th.

My fiancé’s father late 70s and has MS just got his second last week or week before. The MS is so bad now, he was also admitted to hospital last week. He may not get out. No one is sure if they will be able to see him again, and haven’t since last spring.

My fiancé started calling around, going on the Ontario website. Trying to get her second ASAP. The earliest she could get, was 90 min away in Barrie, July 22nd.
She just found a place for July 8th.

Yet her niece, her husband. Her 42 year sister/husband. And many of our friends in their 40s. All have their second.

Which age groups are mostly likely to get really sick? Break hospitals?

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When someone gets their shots depends on whether they live in an area with high caseloads and how long they will stand in line or how far they are willing to drive. Some people frantically scour vaccination websites, wait hours in line and/or drive hundreds of kilometers to get a vaccine as soon as possible.

From the start I have successfully protected myself from the virus by following the public health protocols and being selective about who I spent time with. The additional protection offered by the vaccine will be appreciated but in the shot term nothing else in my life will materially change because of the shot as the government restrictions remain in place. There should be no mad scramble to be vaccinated for most of us.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Me and the Mrs. are scheduled for our second shot this Tuesday AM. After that,the fearmongers can ram- jam it sideways. My first shot was AZ. This one will be Moderna. Sux that I won't be allowed into the Bruce Springsteen concert in NYC. That'll sure cause a few sleepless nights. :rolleye::rolleye:

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I have an appt for Pfizer this Saturday, my first was AZ back in late April. I’m considering cancelling it and waiting for another AZ but not sure. I am not in a panic for the second dose and don’t like the idea of mixing - and I struggle to believe what we are being told about having Pfizer or Moderns as your second being the great idea. If there were boatloads of AZ sitting around they’d be telling us that it was best NOT to mix.

That’s true Badenoch.
But it still raises the obvious question/problem.

“Flatten the curve”
So many seem to have lost sight of that. It’s never been about defeating, or eliminating Covid etc.

It’s all been about not breaking healthcare capacity. Slow the spread. So that Drs “don’t have to decide, why a 40 year old gets live, and a 50 year has to die”…..

We know now, that people under 60 are low risk. People under 45 extremely low risk.

So hot spots or not….
The priority has been, was always, and should still be.

Instead, people that are extremely low risk of ending up in hospitals, or worse ICUs….are taking precious supply. When the cold hard truth is.

They don’t need it, nor should be.

and to put that in context. If today, 65% has one shot, 10% two. We could and should have 40% fully vaccinated. Those who might break the system.

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That’s true Badenoch.
But it still raises the obvious question/problem.

“Flatten the curve”
So many seem to have lost sight of that. It’s never been about defeating, or eliminating Covid etc.

It’s all been about not breaking healthcare capacity. Slow the spread. So that Drs “don’t have to decide, why a 40 year old gets live, and a 50 year has to die”…..

We know now, that people under 60 are low risk. People under 45 extremely low risk.

So hot spots or not….
The priority has been, was always, and should still be.

Instead, people that are extremely low risk of ending up in hospitals, or worse ICUs….are taking precious supply. When the cold hard truth is.

They don’t need it, nor should be.

and to put that in context. If today, 65% has one shot, 10% two. We could and should have 40% fully vaccinated. Those who might break the system.

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Nobody in their 40s should have a second shots before the elderly at all. If we are trying to save lives then the elderly must go first. If we are just playing games then give it to anyone before the elderly .


Ps j Ben

We have known for a long time since last year who was at risk and whoo was dying.

It's posted on the government's website's . But in the media eyes it hits everyone everyone is dying lol.


So far the regular flu killed more people Younger than 19 every season in a few months than covid in 2 years almost .




From July to September 2020 1700 hundred overdose deaths the majority male between the age of 20 to 49.

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Originally Posted by JBen

That’s true Badenoch.
But it still raises the obvious question/problem.

“Flatten the curve”
So many seem to have lost sight of that. It’s never been about defeating, or eliminating Covid etc.

It’s all been about not breaking healthcare capacity. Slow the spread. So that Drs “don’t have to decide, why a 40 year old gets live, and a 50 year has to die”…..

We know now, that people under 60 are low risk. People under 45 extremely low risk.

So hot spots or not….
The priority has been, was always, and should still be.

Instead, people that are extremely low risk of ending up in hospitals, or worse ICUs….are taking precious supply. When the cold hard truth is.

They don’t need it, nor should be.

and to put that in context. If today, 65% has one shot, 10% two. We could and should have 40% fully vaccinated. Those who might break the system.

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Initially the vaccination program was targeted at older age groups but politics and pressure from educators and the medical community got in the way. I'd much rather have 40% fully vaccinated than the current split as I'd be among that 40%.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Initially the vaccination program was targeted at older age groups but politics and pressure from educators and the medical community got in the way. I'd much rather have 40% fully vaccinated than the current split as I'd be among that 40%.

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Why are politics and educators getting in the way ? This isn't there line of work or expertise are we not supposed to be following the science and evidence? Something they say but do not follow.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

I have an appt for Pfizer this Saturday, my first was AZ back in late April. I’m considering cancelling it and waiting for another AZ but not sure.

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That's the plan; No rush as there is no real need for the 2nd shot as we have reached Herd Immunity. After the 1st shot your chances of getting 'stink' sick was eliminated. Chances of getting the 'cold' now are minimal as we're still wearing masks etc.

AND as in most normal years, 60-70% will get the 3rd Covid shot in the fall so Herd Immunity will carry us thru the winter.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

That's the plan; No rush as there is no real need for the 2nd shot as we have reached Herd Immunity. After the 1st shot your chances of getting 'stink' sick was eliminated. Chances of getting the 'cold' now are minimal as we're still wearing masks etc.

AND as in most normal years, 60-70% will get the 3rd Covid shot in the fall so Herd Immunity will carry us thru the winter.

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The plandemic rush is to trade a jab for liberty and freedom of movement. Protection from a non existent threat for 99.5% of the population.
Ask yourself. Why is the government so insistent that you get a jab this time of year?

4300 hundred lives lost the majority male between the age of 20 to 49 in the first 9 months of the pandemic.

Just as a reference today's covid deaths for people under 50 is 9x more likely to die from an overdose . That is just 9 months in 2020 compared 16 months of a pandemic. If trends continued you are about 20x more likely to die of an overdose than covid 19 under the age of 50.




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Originally Posted by impact

The plandemic rush is to trade a jab for liberty and freedom of movement.

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You noticed that too eh....they haven't mentioned 'flattening the curve ' or ' ICU overwhelmed" for weeks. The sole driver now is to get 100% shot with an mRNA vaccine. Even resorting to bribing people who get it with prizes and compensation.

They've even gone so far as to discredit the Adenoviral vector vaccines, and say a 2nd shot of a mRNA is 'probably' better.

I'm not biting, something smells. :)

Delta PLUS variant, so many unknowns and so many pretending to know what they are talking about.
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...91701107946814

and other outbreaks of viruses in China including H1N1 (swine flu)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=314075737105224

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Delta PLUS variant, so many unknowns and so many pretending to know what they are talking about.
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...91701107946814

and other outbreaks of viruses in China including H1N1 (swine flu)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=314075737105224

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I'm sure we'll see a Delta Magnum virus next HaHa..

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I'm sure we'll see a Delta Magnum virus next HaHa..

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No, Echo Virus is next, and it will just keep bouncing back and back and back.......

Already 6 variants this year.... 21A thru 21F, 21A is the Delta

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global


21A (Delta has been increasing in Canada if you look at the frequency graph part way down the page
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?f_country=Canada

Foxtrot - Uniform - Charlie - Kilo
Tango - Hotel - Echo
Victor - India - Romeo - Uniform - Sierra

Did I cover all the variants?

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Foxtrot - Uniform - Charlie - Kilo
Tango - Hotel - Echo
Victor - India - Romeo - Uniform - Sierra

Did I cover all the variants?

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Almost, you forgot the Bullshat variant of concern.

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Already 6 variants this year.... 21A thru 21F, 21A is the Delta

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global


21A (Delta has been increasing in Canada if you look at the frequency graph part way down the page
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?f_country=Canada

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But it’s summer ( in the N hemisphere) and it’s the flu.

How can that be?

option 1) it’s all a hoax, convenient but…….

option 2) it’s not the flu, or at least, not as we’ve always known it.

Well,we went ahead with getting our second shots,yesterday,in and out quicker than the Beer Store. We had trouble sleeping last night from sore shoulders,but,so far,this AM,other than that,there's no issues.

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No, Echo Virus is next, and it will just keep bouncing back and back and back.......

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Then Whisky, Tango, Foxtrot ... work out the acronym.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Well,we went ahead with getting our second shots,yesterday,in and out quicker than the Beer Store. We had trouble sleeping last night from sore shoulders,but,so far,this AM,other than that,there's no issues.

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Me too. As expected.... lots of AZ appts seem to be opening up

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

Me too. As expected.... lots of AZ appts seem to be opening up

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People who had the original AZ shot have become anxious, thru the slanted media reporting, that the mRNA vaccines are 'probably' better than getting your 2nd AZ shot. So there is pressure to get everyone to take the mRNA test drug. I'm not biting, I'm sticking with the traditional adenoviral vector vaccine.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

People who had the original AZ shot have become anxious, thru the slanted media reporting, that the mRNA vaccines are 'probably' better than getting your 2nd AZ shot. So there is pressure to get everyone to take the mRNA test drug. I'm not biting, I'm sticking with the traditional adenoviral vector vaccine.

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I'm thinking six of one,half dozen of the other. Our pharmacist pretty much said all this adverse publicity has more to do with corporate gamesmanship than anything else because they know the products will be worth millions of dollars when this thing subsides. It'll be with us forever. Those with the best PR departments win big.

My mother in law got the second AstraZeneca shot . She is on blood thinners already so the risk of clotting of the first shot was little or none at all.

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We will take whatever we can get the fastest. Mainly because her FiL could go any day. And the only way limited visitors can get in to see him is to be fully dosed.

Would prefer AZ myself, but pick yourself poison.

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We will take whatever we can get the fastest. Mainly because her FiL could go any day. And the only way limited visitors can get in to see him is to be fully dosed.

Would prefer AZ myself, but pick yourself poison.

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Finally got to visit my mom last Friday in a retirement home in Eastern Ontario.
Main doors lock. Person came to the door, took our temperature with a scan on our arm???
Asked our name but nothing else. Vaccination not required.
Had to wear a mask in the hallway which was removed once inside the apartment with Mom.
No one else we encountered was wearing one.

Stupid rules.

With him I kind of get it Impact. He was diagnosed with MS in his 40s. He’s now almost 80.

The slide downhill has been very steep the last 2,years. I guess a couple weeks ago now, he woke paralyzed. Couldn’t move at all. He was moved to a hospital, not a nursing home or retirement home. Family told he won’t be coming out/back home.

My fiancé hasn’t seen him since last April. And while he will be allowed a limited number of visitors. I guess maybe due to the risk, to other patients in the wing.

So we will likely have to get M or P. Have an appt July 8.

My preference from the beginning has been AZ. Traditional vector. When news first broke of the odd clot, my fiancé was a little concerned ( hereditary blood issues). So we waited a little longer for more information (data). Got our first shot in late May, and then late Aug for second. We weren’t concerned about “risk”. Either.

There might be some small upside to M or P mixed with AZ. It makes sense, and it rarely hurts to diversify :)….

but……………

People can fall, wherever they want. And pick their own poisons. Last I checked we were a free society. We’re even free to commit suicide if we want.

No matter which side or where someone falls. Bottom line.

not being free to choose…
especially, given, the cold hard truth is. People under 45 are not a risk to break the system. “Flatten the curve”

who cares if Delta is spreading like wildfire through the younger crowds…Are they ending up in ICUs?