Before I open the email from RCMP that I need to start applying for ATT again as per firearms license changes.
Says I got email because I am effected.
Is this true or spam?
Hoping is spam because having ATT included with Restricted was a rare move where they made things easier.
Looking like they are going back in the other direction again.
Best to contact them directly.
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My buddy got a form in the mail the other day that he has to now carry at all times when he transports his restricted/prohibited guns.
The fall out from bill C-71.
The least they could have done was make it a laminated card like the PAL/RPAL...
Yep, I got the same letter from them with the change in conditions on my RPAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The email is to warn me that a letter and application will be sent to me.
I still say if they want to reduce hand gun problems, use the simple solution.
Stop the practice of plea bargaining and probation when caught. If violators were to serve a full 10 years rather than serving 3 days plus 5 -10 year probation, then lessons will be better learnt.
Ian Runkle (lawyer thread) and CCFR (their thread too) have both brought up the changes and the need for ALL ATT holders to check the status of theirs and perhaps reapply since C-71
Got mine in the mail today.
Basically, now, your PAL-connected ATT is only valid to transport to/from an approved range OR for transport of a newly bought gun from buyer to your home.
ALL other types of restricted firearms movement anywhere else requires you to apply for an ATT to move it: e.g., to an exit port, gun show, repair, or verification, registration or disposal.
And the bottom of the letter has a section that has to be cut out and carried with your licence at all times.
You've always had to carry the part with the conditions attached. What they did was change the conditions. TCQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Hey, they wouldn’t want you law-abiding citizens moving around your restricted firearms without some type of paperwork, if you had that type of freedom they wouldn’t be able to distinguish the difference between you and the law-breaking citizens who don’t generally have a firearm license either..Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Tuna
You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
I got the same email yesterday!
I got the letter at the first of the week and the e-mail on Thursday.
In other words we are going back to the same restrictions that were in place before the Harper government loosened the rules. Getting a short term ATT isn't a complicated or difficult process. No big deal IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by genec
I have not received any email or mail concerning this and I own some restricted.
So do you think this move then makes Canadians Safer? LOL
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
Check your spam, mine was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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I do not think these very minor changes to the ATT system will make Canadians safer. I also don't think the changes are that big of a deal. I've never had an issue getting a short term ATT.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I am surprised though that an ATT is required to take your restricted/prohibited in for destruction. I had thought the government would be encouraging turning them in as opposed to putting in a paperwork requirement.
I did and nothing. Just Logged in to their website and I see I have my old email address so I updated it. Will they send me something to me snail mail?
What exactly does the letter mean? Do I have to call them in advance now if I am going to the range where I am a member?
Kinda strange but I notice there is no place on the website that show what restricted's I have registered.
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Originally Posted by GW11
Looks like you'll get it snail mail eventually. This was in the email.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
"All affected licence holders will be mailed a formal notification of the changes to the Authorizations to Transport, including your current updated licence conditions."
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No. The letter removes conditions that were put in place by the CPC government. All other conditions such as trips to approved ranges remain in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Here's the body of the email:
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A change has recently come into force to the Firearms Act as part of Bill C-71, An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms. The change has resulted in the removal of the following conditions related to the transport of restricted/prohibited firearms from your licence:
• Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to a port of exit, in order to take them outside Canada and from a port of entry.
• Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from a gun show.
• Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited or restricted firearms.
• Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with the Firearms Act and Part III of the Criminal Code.
If you wish to transport your restricted/prohibited firearm for one of the above purposes, you must apply for an Authorization to Transport to your Chief Firearms Officer. To contact your Chief Firearms Officer, please call 1 800 731-4000.
All affected licence holders will be mailed a formal notification of the changes to the Authorizations to Transport, including your current updated licence conditions.
Thanks, what a bunch of BS. So essentially the government supposedly trusts me to go to the range but if I was to go someplace else they think I will go beserk??
Actually they don't trust you at all .... seems they edited down some of the rhetoric, if I find time I copied the text into an old post and will find it, but it still is the same, total lies!!!... liberal "truth" according to the LIEberals... (total lies)Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
https://liberal.ca/lpc-opposes-cpc-gun-bill/
"“The Liberal Party of Canada feels strongly that Bill C-42, currently before Parliament, contains aspects that will put Canadians’ safety at risk.
“First, it eliminates the need for owners of prohibited and restricted firearms to have a transportation license to carry those guns in their vehicles. This means they could freely transport handguns or automatic weapons anywhere within their province, whether to a grocery store or a soccer field."
According to them you can currently take your automatic weapon to the grocery store!
This will make the gang bangers think twice about driving around with handguns and shooting things up. I feel so much safer already, thanks Justin. Guess things were getting a little slow around the firearms center.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
So if I am headed to the range I am less likely to rob a store. Someone should ask Trudeau if gang bangers will need a permit to transport their firearms
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Originally Posted by warpipe
It does stop most of the gun show buys as it will take weeks to be able to get everything done, but I guess the transfer took weeks anyway before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
I see it the same way, just made it more complicated but changes nothing for safety of the public, obviously.
Inaccuracies on RCMP Letter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBmt2KHYr88
Not sure ... criminals perform criminal acts only because they convince themselves they won't get caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Tuna
Same reason people that live in states that have the death sentence still commit those crimes ... they don't think about the punishment, because they don't think they will be caught.
I'm all for tighter penalties ... but I think we have to recognize, criminals don't care about laws.
Yep......you need to contact the CFO for an ATT anywhere other than your house to the gun range. Including gun store, buyer/seller, and gunsmith.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I agree that longer mandatory sentences will not stop criminals from comiting crime. What it will do though is stop them from re offending as they will be locked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
The mail notice I received specifies transport to and from all shooting clubs and ranges approved under section 29 of the Firearms Act and transport of a newly acquired restricted and/or prohibited firearms from the place of acquisition to the license dwellers house or other place authorized by the chief firearms officer. So buyers can take their restricted/prohibited home without needing a specific ATT.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Having listened to 17 minutes of Runkle's droning he clearly doesn't understand how the system works or doesn't own a restricted and/or prohibited handgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
He says he wants a piece of paper proving the conditions. If he owned restricted firearms and/or prohibited handguns he would have the former conditions on paper. He can expect to receive a replacement piece of paper with the new conditions shortly if he doesn't already have it.
His conclusion that you need to buy a new restricted to bring the conditions into force is complete nonsense.
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Originally Posted by MarkB
Look at our current government, threatening the attorney general, interfering with RCMP and ethics violations, assisting a company in evading criminal acts, blocking RCMP and ethics investigations, reducing mandatory sentences, removing the requirement to disclose spending from Indian reserves.... I don't think our current Liberal government cares about the laws too, they actually reduced mandatory sentences on many crimes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhEVbXrja9o
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
Your comments seem like you skimmed and didn't pay attention or you think his trying to explain the idiocy in this legislation and actually looking at and quoting the legislation and people being informed is nonsense .... an advocate of ignorance or just unwilling to... never mind... sad. A firearms lawyer that just did a 3 gun competition and is quoting the laws and you have greater "wisdom" :silly: :confused: :whacked:
I hope others take his advice and choose to not blindly trust the government, he is right "interesting legal cases are expensive" and this government has lies probably thousands of times since 2015 and the RCMP, well remember, they broke the law and kept a copy of the firearms registry and have given bad advice and messed up many times.
Idiotic is recommending you buy a restricted firearm to bring the conditions into effect. They are listed on the special conditions notice provided by the RCMP. He said repeatedly he wanted paper. He has or at least should have paper and will get replacement paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
This is what the old one looks like:
https://i.imgur.com/KpsKv65.jpg
And here's what the new one looks like:
https://i.imgur.com/EIRtapG.jpg
Runkle is a lawyer, who is an active restricted firearms owner/shooter. While he may not give the appearance of a hollywood idol and his "droning" might bore you, be assured, I'd much rather listen to his advice/suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Please keep comments on topic and free from personal insults.
Then maybe he should have waited a day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
You always had to keep the paperwork with your conditions on your when transporting, if it was a long term ATT then you had to keep that, now they have a long term ATT to go to any gun range in Ontario as a standard condition. This is actually easier than before Harper changed it, it used to be that you could only go to 1 gun range and you had to get a new short term ATT to go to any other gun range and you needed an invitation from that club to be able to get that short term ATT.
I do agree that this is annoying but this is not as bad as it was back with the last Liberals at the helm, not yet at least.