Vaccine Efficacy Dropping

Now there is a study done in the US that confirms the Israeli study: The vaccine's ability to fend off the virus (efficacy) diminishes quickly.

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All vaccines can protect against severe COVID-19 infections and death, even in the face of the Delta variant, but the data on the vaccines' efficacy has been mixed.

The study used PCR testing data from the Mayo Clinic Health System's sites in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida, and Iowa, to look for breakthrough coronavirus cases among 35,902 people fully vaccinated with Moderna and 37,573 people fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Some 40% of the people in the study were also over 65 years old.

Over the course of the study in Minnesota, Moderna's vaccine was found to be 86% effective against a COVID-19 infection while Pfizer's was 76% effective. Both were also highly effective against hospitalization (Moderna 91.6%, Pfizer 85%), ICU admission (Moderna 93.3%, Pfizer 87%), and death from COVID-19 (no cases found).

But what has caused concern is the data from July, when the Delta variant became the dominant strain in the US and accounted for more than 70% of cases in Minnesota.

During that month in Minnesota, Pfizer's effectiveness against COVID-19 infection dropped to 42%, while Moderna's dropped less dramatically to 76%.

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Also: the article confirms that Pfizer is working on Covid Vaccine version 2.0...means we're back to standing in line this winter to update our vaccine passport or be faced with sanctions. :)

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Pfizer told Axios in a statement that it expected "to be able to develop and produce a tailor-made vaccine against" the Delta variant "in approximately 100 days after a decision to do so, subject to regulatory approval."

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read more...https://ca.news.yahoo.com/pfizers-va...105945416.html

All by design. A continued effort to inject people with increasing amounts of graphene.

"Subsequently, in vivo studies indicated damage in the main organs of rats (liver, kidney, lungs, heart, brain and testis) but the possible fast clearance of GNPs through kidney. We also showed that GNPs induced oxidative stress in the liver."

"Therefore, long-term, high dose, and careful selection of administration route using different animal models are crucial before seeking any clinical application of this ‘wonder material’."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...drial%20damage.

It's a virus. It mutates just like the flu virus does every year and why there is a different flu shot every year.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

It's a virus. It mutates just like the flu virus does every year and why there is a different flu shot every year.

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We were warned of this a while ago by Michael Yeardon former CEO of Phyzer, Vaccinologists Geert Vanden Bosshe & Luc Montengier and now this guy the creator of MRNA vaccines Robert Malone.
https://rumble.com/vkgi01-bombshell-...5JsgN9ph559w_s

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

It's a virus. It mutates just like the flu virus does every year and why there is a different flu shot every year.

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The problem with that simplistic analogy is the annual flu shot is for Influenza, not Coronavirus.

The problem with this Cornovirus vaccine is that the government has made the 'shot' mandatory and seeking to achieve 100 % of the population with sanctions if you do not participate. The annual 'flu' shots are always voluntary and usually accepted by about 40% of the population. (80 % seniors)

We've achieved (almost) the Governments initial goal of 80% for herd immunity. There is no longer a threat to the Health Care system as the vaccines do indeed prevent Hospitalizations and Deaths for those vaccinated. The danger is over, mission accomplished.

As far a varients, as the study has shown, 30% vaccinated can till can catch a variant, but it's symptoms are milder and no reported deaths..

So are we going to continue to chase a vaccine that will prevent every Cornovirus variant that comes along and make them all 100% mandatory?

Are we going to enter into yearly mass vaccination clinics trying to and eradicate a Coronvirus ? (Good luck with that) ....(see above video)

I see the latest variant of concern (sorry interest) is the Lambda variant coming from South America...already in Quebec.

I guess that will be Pfizer 3.0 late next summer. HaHa..

More side effects coming out from the mnra . But the WHO says the risk of the vaccine still out ways the risk of the virus . But for who ? In younger people the virus already has a slim and low risk why would we give them a shot that has little risk of a server cases. The annual flu put the kids at more of a risk . So at what age dose the risk of the shot outweigh the risk of the virus ? The evidence is clear that the regular flu is more harmful to our young. And the risk of death or sever under the age of 25 is rare.

https://youtu.be/arpFrCME3o0

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Originally Posted by fishfood

More side effects coming out from the mnra . But the WHO says the risk of the vaccine still out ways the risk of the virus . But for who ? In younger people the virus already has a slim and low risk why would we give them a shot that has little risk of a server cases. The annual flu put the kids at more of a risk . So at what age dose the risk of the shot outweigh the risk of the virus ? The evidence is clear that the regular flu is more harmful to our young. And the risk of death or sever under the age of 25 is rare.

https://youtu.be/arpFrCME3o0

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There is no benefit for young people, 360,000 case of myocarditis, people that support or endorse this are sick puppies.

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if we see history repeating itself. With the Spanish flu when they thought they had it under control it came back with a vengeance.

We can see cases and ICU up well ahead of the season . Antibodies from the vaccine wearing off Delta becoming dominant this fall into winter could be a chit show as we deepen into the season.

I hope for the best .

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The problem with that simplistic analogy is the annual flu shot is for Influenza, not Coronavirus.

The problem with this Cornovirus vaccine is that the government has made the 'shot' mandatory and seeking to achieve 100 % of the population with sanctions if you do not participate. The annual 'flu' shots are always voluntary and usually accepted by about 40% of the population. (80 % seniors)

We've achieved (almost) the Governments initial goal of 80% for herd immunity. There is no longer a threat to the Health Care system as the vaccines do indeed prevent Hospitalizations and Deaths for those vaccinated. The danger is over, mission accomplished.

As far a varients, as the study has shown, 30% vaccinated can till can catch a variant, but it's symptoms are milder and no reported deaths..

So are we going to continue to chase a vaccine that will prevent every Cornovirus variant that comes along and make them all 100% mandatory?

Are we going to enter into yearly mass vaccination clinics trying to and eradicate a Coronvirus ? (Good luck with that) ....(see above video)

I see the latest variant of concern (sorry interest) is the Lambda variant coming from South America...already in Quebec.

I guess that will be Pfizer 3.0 late next summer. HaHa..

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The vaccines do reduce the chance of death and serious illness of the current strains. Currently in Ontario unvaccinated people are the vast majority of hospital admissions both in the ICUs and out. Hopefully that trend continues but there are no guarantees.

We do annual flu campaigns so there is no reason we could not do annual campaigns for COVID although mass clinics may give way to physician and pharmacy-based distribution programs similar to the annual flu shot.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The vaccines do reduce the chance of death and serious illness of the current strains. Currently in Ontario unvaccinated people are the vast majority of hospital admissions both in the ICUs and out. Hopefully that trend continues but there are no guarantees.

We do annual flu campaigns so there is no reason we could not do annual campaigns for COVID although mass clinics may give way to physician and pharmacy-based distribution programs similar to the annual flu shot.

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What are you even talking about, annual covid vaccinations?...lmfao
Two shots is considered fully vaccinated.
Yearly covid vaccination is going to be met with noncompliance of the people who have been lied to about being fully vaccinated....
You would have to be a real fool to line up every year for another covid shot when your supposedly fully vaxxed....
Hilarious, how the weak minds are controlled by covid fear and vaccine passports....lmao

Imagine all the deaths we would have every year if we counted the deaths from everyone who was sick with the flu the month they died . So why are we doing it for covid ?

A 15 year old confirmed meningitis death is a covid death in Australia today because he tested positive for covid.


We could make the flu look scary if everyone that died within 28 days of the flu. Think of all the extra deaths they could add lol.





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Originally Posted by canadaman30

What are you even talking about, annual covid vaccinations?...lmfao
Two shots is considered fully vaccinated.
Yearly covid vaccination is going to be met with noncompliance of the people who have been lied to about being fully vaccinated....
You would have to be a real fool to line up every year for another covid shot when your supposedly fully vaxxed....
Hilarious, how the weak minds are controlled by covid fear and vaccine passports....lmao

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Two shots is fully vaccinated against the known variants. Like flu shots it does not guarantee full coverage in perpetuity because virus mutate.

People get flu shots each year. Adding an annual shot against COVID would be no different.

The vaccines are not as advertised.
Non-compliance for annual covid shots will be off the charts in 2022. It's the reason vaccination rates have nearly come to a stand still now. People are waking up to the vaccination scam. It's become crystal clear, the big lie that two shots is fully vaccinated....lol

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Two shots is fully vaccinated against the known variants. Like flu shots it does not guarantee full coverage in perpetuity because virus mutate.

People get flu shots each year. Adding an annual shot against COVID would be no different.

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What could go wrong?
https://www.rebelnews.com/ordinary_c...ine_experiment

Which companies are benefiting from the jab at this time?
Why is the government dragging its feet on approving other drugs?
Follow the money.


"Many pharmaceutical companies and academic institutions worldwide are developing candidate vaccines and potential treatments and therapies for COVID-19. While these new drugs and vaccines are being developed to specifically address COVID-19, pharmaceutical companies are looking at the potential of using already approved and marketed drugs, such as broad-spectrum antivirals and anti-inflammatory drugs. Expedited authorization of drugs for use in relation to COVID-19 will allow these medically necessary drugs to be made available quickly for Canadians."

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...rugs/note.html

A lot of the concerns being expressed would not be of concern if you got the Johnson&Johnson vaccine - I guess it wasn't made available in Canada but the good part is that this vaccine was developed using tested procedures for making vaccines - not an experiment -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

A lot of the concerns being expressed would not be of concern if you got the Johnson&Johnson vaccine - I guess it wasn't made available in Canada but the good part is that this vaccine was developed using tested procedures for making vaccines - not an experiment -

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Health Canada authorized the J&J vaccine in early March but is has never been used here
OTTAWA - Canada is donating all 10 million doses of the single-dose vaccine that it purchased from Johnson & Johnson but won't use to low and middle-income countries.

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Joe...something fishy about J&J scenario here. ..the government was not keen on letting people use it. In fact it even shunned the other traditional (vector) vaccine AstraZeneca. They have pushed the use the mRNA vaccines almost exclusively since day one.

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In Canada, 1.3 million Canadians received a first dose of AstraZeneca or Covishield (3.5 per cent of the vaccine population), but only approximately 215,000 people received two doses of the vaccine. Most Canadians got a second dose with an mRNA vaccine, as is currently recommended by Canadian health authorities.

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Canada is donating 17.7 million doses of the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine to help inoculate people in low- and middle-income countries, federal ministers announced Monday.

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The devil is in the list of ingredients. Read the label on the mRNA experimental jabs.

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Originally Posted by impact

All by design. A continued effort to inject people with increasing amounts of graphene.

"Subsequently, in vivo studies indicated damage in the main organs of rats (liver, kidney, lungs, heart, brain and testis) but the possible fast clearance of GNPs through kidney. We also showed that GNPs induced oxidative stress in the liver."

"Therefore, long-term, high dose, and careful selection of administration route using different animal models are crucial before seeking any clinical application of this ‘wonder material’."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...drial%20damage.

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The goal of the world's governments is to kill off 80% of the population? Or are you claiming something else?

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Originally Posted by Fox

The goal of the world's governments is to kill off 80% of the population? Or are you claiming something else?

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Where did I even mention that in any post?
Keep trolling.

Enjoy the 8 month booster program! The question is, if you miss one when they're recommended, are you then considered one of the (gasp) unvaccinated? Yes, it currently says "most vulnerable" for Ontario. That's fancy for saying those who were first vaccinated in Ontario because any potential benefit from the shot has already waned. There are reasons why we don't have vaccines for any current coronaviruses. Boosters will soon be recommended for all, yearly at a minimum.

These aren't flu shots.

The Globe and Mail: Ontario to offer third COVID-19 dose to high-risk populations.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...k-populations/

Al Jazeera English: US to recommend booster jabs for all as Delta variant rises.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...mmend-boosters

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They still haven't confessed that the vaccine is inferior and is failing to protect people from getting and spreading the virus. Yes it keeps people from getting 'really' sick, but with so many fully vaccinated now testing positive (both original and Delta) because the vaccine's efficacy degrades so quickly, what they are calling a booster is really just the 'next' shot in what will become the normal procedure every 3-4 months.

Yes, you'll never know when your vaccine passport is up to date. You may get stuck mid-trip in some foreign country because you didn't get 'booster' #5 yet HaHa..

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Originally Posted by MikePal

They still haven't confessed that the vaccine is inferior and is failing to protect people from getting and spreading the virus. Yes it keeps people from getting 'really' sick, but with so many fully vaccinated now testing positive (both original and Delta) because the vaccine's efficacy degrades so quickly, what they are calling a booster is really just the 'next' shot in what will become the normal procedure every 3-4 months.

Yes, you'll never know when your vaccine passport is up to date. You may get stuck mid-trip in some foreign country because you didn't get 'booster' #5 yet HaHa..

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I think they're still able to get away with it here somewhat because Canada was later with administering the vaccine so the narrative still fits. It's probably still doing more here than it is in countries that vaccinated earlier, but the clock is winding down. That along with the seasonal humidity has created the illusion that these vaccines are solely responsible for bringing cases down and reducing severe illness.

We're soon going to see the folly in having attempted to vaccinate everyone against the 2019 version of a virus roughly 8 months before the 2021 fall cold and flu season, especially when it appears that any benefit from the shots are gone within 6 to 8 months.

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Definitely do not take the Moderna I think it might have made my hair grey.

Efficacy is no longer the only thing of worry.
Check out this statement from the CDC.
Happy yet?

"CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky Increased Risk of Severe Disease Amongst Those Vaccinated Early"

https://rumble.com/vlfbra-cdc-direct...e-amongst.html

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

What are you even talking about, annual covid vaccinations?...lmfao
Two shots is considered fully vaccinated.
Yearly covid vaccination is going to be met with noncompliance of the people who have been lied to about being fully vaccinated....
You would have to be a real fool to line up every year for another covid shot when your supposedly fully vaxxed....
Hilarious, how the weak minds are controlled by covid fear and vaccine passports....lmao

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Even yellow fever shots have about a ten year life span their is no reason to believe that once vaccinated for COVID-19 the effect of the vaccination is likely to last for ever. Particularly when they have pointed out that the vaccination does not quarantine you will be immune to COVID-19 , but only to its more devastating effects. Even as a kid I recall ongoing booster shots for small pox and polio, the same with tetanus, in fact I became due for another top up a couple weeks ago. I suspect if polio were to rear it ugly head there would be a push to update your immunity to that as well. The fact that there are no ongoing booster rounds for other disease, i suppose might be attributed to the level of herd immunity, it's pretty clear with the crowd of anti-vaccinators walking about that could be a long time in coming with COVD-19. However, I guess that is just how it has to be to protect people's freedom of choice.

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I guess my son in laws best friend age 30 who died of Covid faked his death then eh?

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

There is no benefit for young people, 360,000 case of myocarditis, people that support or endorse this are sick puppies.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I guess my son in laws best friend age 30 who died of Covid faked his death then eh?

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I'll bet he died from complications of a comorbidity issue that was exacerbated by Covid. ..as were almost all deaths being attributed to Covid.

Didn't smoke, do drugs and no under lying health conditions.

Two farmers brothers down the road from me came close to dying they are better now, but probably the healthiest people you will ever meet

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I'll bet he died from complications of a comorbidity issue that was exacerbated by Covid. ..as were almost all deaths being attributed to Covid.

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Now Mikepal it is well know that current diseases we are vaccinated for as children requires herd immunity and they have been finding in communities where the vaccination rates have dropped to 70% are beginning to come back. Some Scientist speculate that because of this we could see new versions.

Not all vaccines last for ever the Shingles vaccine needs to be redone every 3 - 5 years. Many on here said they took it or are considering it.
From what I read we all have it right now (or most of us) but it is lying dormant and some of us will get it some of us won't. I know 3 people who go it. My Dad and he got permament nerve damage in his hands a friend at Scotia Bank in Russell she died and my Bosses wife, but technically they say 1 in 3 will get some form of it. That vaccine from what I could find was tested for less than a year.

Are we just going to keep pretending there's a test that says you have covid??? They test positive if you have a cold, flu or any other virus.....wake up for crist sakes.....its gonna be humbling when you finally accept that somethings not right....we've been duped since 2019....

This winter is going to be the wake up call....when everyone who's been vaxxed starts dropping because there immune system has been tricked into thinking they're 90....

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I'll bet he died from complications of a comorbidity issue that was exacerbated by Covid. ..as were almost all deaths being attributed to Covid.

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Or fell off a ladder.

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

Are we just going to keep pretending there's a test that says you have covid??? They test positive if you have a cold, flu or any other virus.....wake up for crist sakes.....its gonna be humbling when you finally accept that somethings not right....we've been duped since 2019....

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1000% ...:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Didn't smoke, do drugs and no under lying health conditions.

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Until he Got covid and his own bodies auto-immune system ran amok, creating blood clots in his lungs (and other organs) and he died. He had this condition before covid, the virus just exacerbated it.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Now Mikepal it is well know that current diseases we are vaccinated for as children requires herd immunity and they have been finding in communities where the vaccination rates have dropped to 70% are beginning to come back. Some Scientist speculate that because of this we could see new versions.

Not all vaccines last for ever the Shingles vaccine needs to be redone every 3 - 5 years. .

That vaccine from what I could find was tested for less than a year.

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Not sure where you got your info GW...the Shingrix vaccine is a two part vaccine..You should give the second dose of Shingrix 2 to 6 months after you gave the first dose.

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Shingrix is a new vaccination, but the studies have shown that its efficacy remains at about 85 percent four years after vaccination.”

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And if you want to read thru this paper the vaccine was tested over a decade..the phase 3 trials alone were over almost 4 yrs long.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6590925/

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Until he Got covid and his own bodies auto-immune system ran amok, creating blood clots in his lungs (and other organs) and he died. He had this condition before covid, the virus just exacerbated it.

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It makes great ammunition for the fear mongers when someone young and otherwise healthy "dies of covid".

I knew a guy who had a really bad go with H1N1 during that pandemic. An "otherwise healthy" 35 year old at the time, he nearly died. It wasn't because H1N1 was so bad, it was proven to be far less deadly than the flu. It was because his body couldn't deal with the H1N1 virus on a molecular level.

This happens with every virus. RSV kills some children but most are fine. Some people have difficulty with coronaviruses. People see these viruses in varying degrees of deadliness based on their personal experiences and how much media hype they listen to.

If a deadly virus emerged in December of 2019, we wouldn't be here arguing about how deadly it truly is halfway through 2021.

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Originally Posted by GW11

If a deadly virus emerged in December of 2019, we wouldn't be here arguing about how deadly it truly is halfway through 2021.

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Yup..only 27,000 deaths are listed as Covid deaths (which we know is inflated) in a population of 38 Million.

That is a .07% Death rate for this pandemic.

and over 80% of those were in a segment of the population sitting in Retirement/LTC homes waiting to die anyway.

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Originally Posted by GW11

RSV kills some children but most are fine.

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This puts thousands of kids in the hospital each year . The CDC posted a warning in June that it was on the rise. Yes most kids survived this, it's the first time that is the worst for them. After they catch it the immune system remembers and does it's thing it's not as bad the next time. It also effects elderly people when your immune system weakens.

They say the initial lockdown slowed the virus last year so it's worse this year effecting more kids and putting them in the hospital this season. In the southern states.

The same state's that are claiming hospitals are filling up with kids to push the Covid shot on the children.

Sad when they use a different virus to put fear of covid from the southern states.

People need to wake up .

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Not sure where you got your info GW...the Shingrix vaccine is a two part vaccine..You should give the second dose of Shingrix 2 to 6 months after you gave the first dose.



And if you want to read thru this paper the vaccine was tested over a decade..the phase 3 trials alone were over almost 4 yrs long.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6590925/

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There you go again Mike likely wasting your time trying to point out facts to those that refuse to see the truth due to the blinders they always seem to wear as they fail to seek evidence that goes against their false narratives.

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

Are we just going to keep pretending there's a test that says you have covid??? They test positive if you have a cold, flu or any other virus.....wake up for crist sakes.....its gonna be humbling when you finally accept that somethings not right....we've been duped since 2019....

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I owe you a cold beer sir.

Those against vaccination, those who believe in conspiracy theories is just the "Darwin Principle" in action......our gene pool will be better off in a few years.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Two shots is fully vaccinated against the known variants. Like flu shots it does not guarantee full coverage in perpetuity because virus mutate.

People get flu shots each year. Adding an annual shot against COVID would be no different.

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People can get flu shots each year if they choose to
Big difference between that and being forced to take multiple shots annually to salvage a small portion of rights and freedoms you should have never lost in the first place.

What level of coping are you on by now?

Further, there has never been talk of 'stopping' the flu, only mitigating its effects. The Covid health 'experts' have been wrong in their approach to stopping the spread of something that can't be stopped. And we're all picking up the tab while they learn at our expense. Enough.

United non-compliance.

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Originally Posted by hollywood

Those against vaccination, those who believe in conspiracy theories is just the "Darwin Principle" in action......our gene pool will be better off in a few years.

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It'll most likely be the fully vaccinated, thinking they are invincible and going to places they shouldn't...

So far the best defence for this virus appears to be getting the virus, recovering and have natural immunity. I haven't heard them mentioned in any data releases in the so called 'breakthrough' cases ...why is that ?

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Originally Posted by hollywood

Those against vaccination, those who believe in conspiracy theories is just the "Darwin Principle" in action......our gene pool will be better off in a few years.

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I can't wait. Did you hear yet 99.97% recovery rate?
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Originally Posted by hollywood

Those against vaccination, those who believe in conspiracy theories is just the "Darwin Principle" in action......our gene pool will be better off in a few years.

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What if the opposite is true?
Ever consider that it very well could be?
Just saying.....

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Originally Posted by impact

What if the opposite is true?
Ever consider that it very well could be?
Just saying.....

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He may be correct. The Darwin principle may be at play and ADE may indeed leave us unvaccinted with a more preferable gene pool.

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Originally Posted by GW11

He may be correct. The Darwin principle may be at play and ADE may indeed leave us unvaccinted with a more preferable gene pool.

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Who wants spike proteins all over the inside of their body? Sounds horrible! Yuck!....lol

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Originally Posted by GW11

He may be correct. The Darwin principle may be at play and ADE may indeed leave us unvaccinted with a more preferable gene pool.

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At least we know who's willing to inject magical elixirs into their bodies in hope that what they tell is true, even though it wasn't fully tested. They're the ones who have a special passport identifying them to the authorities. HaHa.

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Originally Posted by contaucreek

I owe you a cold beer sir.

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Sounds good Pal:) It's getting crazy, the good news is, more and more are starting to connect the dots.....once the people catch on that there's no actual Delta variant....they'll introduce the newer and scarier worded one....its crazy so many have fallen for this....but I guess after years of dividing and grooming, it's somewhat comprehensible. I'd like to hear how they test for this Delta.....who invented that piece of testing equipment...lol....they don't have any that can pinpoint covid alone....but now can differentiate between strains????? C'mon, ..everyone should be listening to that little flag they've always used that pops up when something doesn't feel right.....

Dr Roger Hodkinson MA, MB, FRCPC, FCAP

Dr Roger Hodkinson: "IT'S ALL BEEN A PACK OF LIES FROM START TO FINISH PURE PROPAGANDA"

PCR Testing 95% False Positives

https://rumble.com/vlisnl-2021-aug-2...nt-messag.html

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

People can get flu shots each year if they choose to
Big difference between that and being forced to take multiple shots annually to salvage a small portion of rights and freedoms you should have never lost in the first place.

What level of coping are you on by now?

Further, there has never been talk of 'stopping' the flu, only mitigating its effects. The Covid health 'experts' have been wrong in their approach to stopping the spread of something that can't be stopped. And we're all picking up the tab while they learn at our expense. Enough.

United non-compliance.

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Similarly the COVID vaccine mitigates the effect of a virus that has a significantly higher death rate than the flu. If you don't want to take the shots that's your choice. Should I become infected my chances of survival are greater. Should I pass the virus to anyone who refuses the vaccine I won't particularly care if they die on a ventilator. I do hope they are quick about it because that ICU space should go to someone more deserving.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Similarly the COVID vaccine mitigates the effect of a virus that has a significantly higher death rate than the flu. If you don't want to take the shots that's your choice. Should I become infected my chances of survival are greater. Should I pass the virus to anyone who refuses the vaccine I won't particularly care if they die on a ventilator. I do hope they are quick about it because that ICU space should go to someone more deserving.

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Should you get covid after receiving your 3rd or 4th shot we also will reciprocate and not care.
See how that works?

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Originally Posted by impact

Should you get covid after receiving your 3rd or 4th shot we also will reciprocate and not care.
See how that works?

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Should that happen I am more likely not to experience the same debilitating and deadly effects that you will.

Let us know where to send flowers.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Should that happen I am more likely not to experience the same debilitating and deadly effects that you will.

Let us know where to send flowers.

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I see what you are saying, but

How bad does vaccine have to be in order to establish a government funded program to compensate for vaccine injuries:

https://vaccineinjurysupport.ca

I personally would be very interested to get some stats from amount of claims to this program prior signing up for one.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Similarly the COVID vaccine mitigates the effect of a virus that has a significantly higher death rate than the flu. If you don't want to take the shots that's your choice. Should I become infected my chances of survival are greater. Should I pass the virus to anyone who refuses the vaccine I won't particularly care if they die on a ventilator. I do hope they are quick about it because that ICU space should go to someone more deserving.

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It doesn't have a significantly higher death rate than the flu. That's based on faulty numbers as people have mentioned several times on here already.

Yes it is my choice, just as it's your to take it. It's also none of my business, which is the way it should be. When did we normalize demanding private medical information? Disingenuously claiming I'm free in any capacity when it comes to declining a mandatory vaccine without acknowledging the punitive measures desperately taken by the government is absurd.

Natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines. Healthy people are not at any great risk. The vaccinated still get and transmit covid. Even though being lied to about getting their freedoms back once fully vaxed, they are now facing who knows how many rounds of boosters and additional restrictions. The government and health officials took our rights away (with a big helping hand from the msm) and they are just trying to hide by blaming the small % of unvaccinated. You don't seem to be grasping any of this.

ICU space is a non-issue. A virus so bad they've long since dismantled the emergency field hospitals that were supposed to be overflowing. A virus so bad they will be firing over 900 trained medical staff who are objecting to the vaccine to help stop it.

I know basic common sense isn't your thing, but get a grip. Just admit you've been suckered.

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It doesn't have a significantly higher death rate than the flu. That's based on faulty numbers as people have mentioned several times on here already.

Yes it is my choice, just as it's your to take it. It's also none of my business, which is the way it should be. When did we normalize demanding private medical information? Disingenuously claiming I'm free in any capacity when it comes to declining a mandatory vaccine without acknowledging the punitive measures desperately taken by the government is absurd.

Natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines. Healthy people are not at any great risk. The vaccinated still get and transmit covid. Even though being lied to about getting their freedoms back once fully vaxed, they are now facing who knows how many rounds of boosters and additional restrictions. The government and health officials took our rights away (with a big helping hand from the msm) and they are just trying to hide by blaming the small % of unvaccinated. You don't seem to be grasping any of this.

ICU space is a non-issue. A virus so bad they've long since dismantled the emergency field hospitals that were supposed to be overflowing. A virus so bad they will be firing over 900 trained medical staff who are objecting to the vaccine to help stop it.

I know basic common sense isn't your thing, but get a grip. Just admit you've been suckered.

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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...u-data-shows#1

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FRIDAY, Dec. 18, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- COVID-19 is far more harmful and deadly than the seasonal flu, new studies confirm.

Researchers analyzed U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs data on more than 3,600 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Feb. 1 and June 17 of this year, and more than 12,600 hospitalized with the flu between Jan. 1, 2017 and Dec. 31, 2019. The average age of patients in both groups was 69.

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Similarly the COVID vaccine mitigates the effect of a virus that has a significantly higher death rate than the flu. If you don't want to take the shots that's your choice. Should I become infected my chances of survival are greater. Should I pass the virus to anyone who refuses the vaccine I won't particularly care if they die on a ventilator. I do hope they are quick about it because that ICU space should go to someone more deserving.

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Did you know that in Israel the sickest people in ICU are fully vaccinated over 60. ?

Don't think your bullet proof from the vaccine.
My teenage girl could be better off then you without any vaccine so where is the pivot point with these vaccines. We know this virus barely effects young people and we know that that it causes great devastating effects on the elderly .

Not everyone has the same risks .




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Should that happen I am more likely not to experience the same debilitating and deadly effects that you will.

Let us know where to send flowers.

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The leftist propaganda narrative is experiencing a long excruciating death. Panic has set in.
Where do I send flowers?

There, does this give you a warm and fuzzy Badenoch?

An all expense paid trip for being a good boy.......lol

"Burial costs will now be covered by Ottawa for individuals killed by federally approved vaccines."

"Canada’s COVID-19 health experts admit there are unknown long-term effects of vaccines, but they provide another layer of protection."

https://torontosun.com/news/national/burial-costs-covered-for-canadians-killed-by-approved-vaccines

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Did you know that in Israel the sickest people in ICU are fully vaccinated over 60. ?

Don't think your bullet proof from the vaccine.
My teenage girl could be better off then you without any vaccine so where is the pivot point with these vaccines. We know this virus barely effects young people and we know that that it causes great devastating effects on the elderly .

Not everyone has the same risks.

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Yes I did know that about Israel. Here's what else I know.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ases-heres-why

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The bad news, doctors say, is that half of Israel's seriously ill patients who are currently hospitalized were fully vaccinated at least five months ago. Most of them are over 60 years old and have comorbidities. The seriously ill patients who are unvaccinated are mostly young, healthy people whose condition deteriorated quickly.

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And here's what else I know about Israel

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The good news is that among Israel's serious infections on Thursday of this week, according to Health Ministry data, the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people over age 60 (178.7 per 100,000) was nine times more than the rate among fully vaccinated people of the same age category, and the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people in the under-60 crowd (3.2 per 100,000) was a little more than double the rate among vaccinated people in that age bracket.

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Funny... what was "known" about Israel a couple of months ago is that vaccines were driving down infection rates.

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Funny... what was "known" about Israel a couple of months ago is that vaccines were driving down infection rates.

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Unfortunately for all of us that’s what new variants do.

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Unfortunately for all of us that’s what new variants do.

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I have been posting since vaccines came on the scene that vaccine development and logistics will never keep up with the rate of mutation (variants) of a coronavirus. There are reasons we have never been able to safely vaccinate against a coronavirus.

Third shot boosters are not really working either:

"More than 1.3 million Israelis out of a population of 9.3 million have received three doses of Pfizer so far, but there have been “breakthroughs”: some people have become infected with coronavirus despite having received three shots."

Al Jazeera English: Israel struggles with COVID surge despite mass vaccinations.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ions-despite-v

Fortunately for those of us that did not sign on to the neverending booster program, pre-covid science tells me that variants aren't much to worry about. You can listen to the fear mongers who are concerned about what variants will do to vaccine efficacy if you so choose. I didn't take one, so I don't care if variants undermine the vaccine. It's completely unsurprising.

It may be really interesting to see what happens to people after 5 or 6 shots of mRNA though. If you opt out of the boosters at some point, will you lose your status?


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Could you imagine if COVID vaccine left a scar in today’s political babies. Lol

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Yes I did know that about Israel. Here's what else I know.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ases-heres-why



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Do you also know that there have been more deaths / complications from the vaccine among young healthy people than from covid?

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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...u-data-shows#1

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Even if I were to grant you that, which I don’t, it still doesn’t explain the irrational fear of those who remain unvaccinated.

Just let them hypothetically drop like flies then, from your peaceful and 100% secure island of freedom and smugness.

But you still can’t do much of anything, despite immediately folding like a cheap luggage and lining up to ‘do your part for the greater good’

Rather than admit this, which would require some foreign concepts known as integrity and intellectual honesty, you just blame the other. It’s such a weak position.