The Covid Vaccine Side Effects Thread

Starting a thread dedicated to news and stories about serious side effects or deaths from the vaccine in otherwise healthy people. So it's easy to find in one place. Please post your stories or any articles you come across.

Most recent:

1) BBC presenter Lisa Shaw died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, a coroner has found. The healthy mother of one developed headaches a week after her first dose of the vaccine and suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-coroner-finds

2) Channel 7 journalist Denham Hitchcock in hospital with pericarditis after COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine:
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...=1630085740729


6 months ago in Israel: "It's 95% effective, herd immunity is coming, everyone get two jabs & we will beat this virus!"

Israel now: "It's 39% effective, get your booster shot or you're losing your passport & herd immunity is probably impossible"

Is this what success looks like?

Also, a recent report from Public Health England indicates that 67% of deaths from the 'delta' variant are from fully vaccinated.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_21.pdf (pages 22 & 23)

One only has to explore these under reported databases to realize there is a problem with the vaccines.
This will also be confirmed in a court of law once the lawsuits make their way through the system.
There are 9 pending in Ontario alone and more in other provinces plus the federal government.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/

Yepp.

Look at this, and these stats are from USA only:

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This must be why the ICU is filling up lol.


I have heard of several people who had very bad side effects or clots . A co-worker told me last week his friend in her 40s was in the hospital for clots after the shot.

This must be why the hospital's are the same just blame it on the unvaccinated . If it prevents serious Illness then why are the hospital numbers so high?

In Israel the hospital's are full with more vaxxed in serious condition. People over 60 fully vaccinated make up almost 60 percent of the serious cases. But our news still low balls it and says about half the patients are fully vaccinated . Why are people having more severe cases after the shot ?


These vaccines are so safe we can't talk about any side effects . So effective highly vaccinated states are now covid capital's of the world. Canada included.

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My aunt spent two weeks in hospital with blood clots in her brain.

My Dad has been battling shingles for nearly a month.

My brother lost the use of his hand for a couple of weeks.

I suspect quite a few of the "sudden health issues" that have befallen some other friends and family members are vaccine related at well but nobody is connecting the dots.

Edit: I'll add that I don't know of anyone who was hospitalized with covid.

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Here is a site where Canadian adverse effects and deaths are recorded

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a5

According to it there have been 180 deaths possibly associated with the vaccine.

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Up to and including August 20, 2021, a total of 180 reports with an outcome of death were reported following vaccination. Although these deaths occurred after being vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, they are not necessarily related to the vaccine. Following medical case review using the WHO-UMC causality assessment categories, it has been determined that:

• 70 of these deaths are unlikely linked to a COVID-19 vaccine
• 64 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
• 40 are still under investigation
• 6 deaths followed a diagnosis of TTS (refer to the TTS bullet above)

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Here is a site where Canadian adverse effects and deaths are recorded

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a5

According to it there have been 180 deaths possibly associated with the vaccine.

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Why don't we add any death within 28 days of a vaccine death a vaccine death?

We do it for covid why not the vaccine ?

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Originally Posted by GW11

My aunt spent two weeks in hospital with blood clots in her brain.

My Dad has been battling shingles for nearly a month.

My brother lost the use of his hand for a couple of weeks.

I suspect quite a few of the "sudden health issues" that have befallen some other friends and family members are vaccine related at well but nobody is connecting the dots.

Edit: I'll add that I don't know of anyone who was hospitalized with covid.

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That's crazy...

What interesting the percent of side affects from Moderna and Pfizer are lower then the medication for diabetes.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

What interesting the percent of side affects from Moderna and Pfizer are lower then the medication for diabetes.

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Good thing the entire world isn't being feared into taking it .

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

What interesting the percent of side affects from Moderna and Pfizer are lower then the medication for diabetes.

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Apples and oranges. You are prescribed medication for diabetes because the diagnosed condition actually exists.
Without the meds your chance of survival get pretty slim.

The wholesale vaccination of people who will shed off covid without any intervention being at 99.7% puts your comparison in a totally different ball park.
But you already know that, don't you.

Another update to the thread.

Healthy 13 yo with myocarditis (link is in Danish, image below has been translated to English):
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...ource=timeline

Attachment 42206

1 in 3 boys (16-17) will get myocarditis from the 'vaccine'
Attachment 42207

The government is hyper focused on blaming the unvaccinated because they're trying to distract the masses from the truth -- that the vaccines are ineffective & many people have been injured from the shot. If everyone is vaccinated then there won’t be unvaccinated people to compare outcomes to. That’s why they can’t allow the previously infected / natural immunity to remain unvaccinated, it eliminates a long term comparative outcome group.

Search covid-19 vaccine side effects on google then on duckduckgo. Interesting results......

You are aware that you will get different results from different search engines. They use different algorithms.

By the way I did the search and came up with exactly what I would expect.

I also use Yahoo as well

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Originally Posted by M_P

Search covid-19 vaccine side effects on google then on duckduckgo. Interesting results......

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

You are aware that you will get different results from different search engines. They use different algorithms.

By the way I did the search and came up with exactly what I would expect.

I also use Yahoo as well

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Google does a lot of censoring to suit their agenda. That's why you'll get a lot more credible results from other search engines like DDG.

Not anymore then any other search engine.

You could go into the Dark Web

By the way not a place I would recommend anyone to go.
That's a place with a lot of criminal activity.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Not anymore then any other search engine.

You could go into the Dark Web

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You couldn't be more wrong if you think google doesn't censor way more than most. They own youtube and look how bad their censorship is.

If this was true either my kids or nephew's would have it. Yet they don't. I have 2 boys and 3 nephew's also 3 nieces one 12 year old grand daughter and a 29 year old Daughter.

None have side affects

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Another update to the thread.

Healthy 13 yo with myocarditis (link is in Danish, image below has been translated to English):
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...ource=timeline

Attachment 42206

1 in 3 boys (16-17) will get myocarditis from the 'vaccine'
Attachment 42207

The government is hyper focused on blaming the unvaccinated because they're trying to distract the masses from the truth -- that the vaccines are ineffective & many people have been injured from the shot. If everyone is vaccinated then there won’t be unvaccinated people to compare outcomes to. That’s why they can’t allow the previously infected / natural immunity to remain unvaccinated, it eliminates a long term comparative outcome group.

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There's always three stories. Side A, Side B and the truth. Vaccine-supporters and Anti-Vaxxers ... they'll both go eye deep into their narrative.
The truth is in the middle. Here's where I think the middle is.

- covid was leaked, not sure if it was by accident or on purpose
- covid is bad, it is not "just like the flu", it is worse. I know people who have died from it, and healthy people that have had serious illness from it (including that they still after 6 months cannot smell or taste anything). I know of an anti-vaxx family, husband got covid, died in hospital last week. Wife now regrets not taking vaccine ... father leaves her behind and a 6 year old kid.
- vaccine does reduce the severity of the infection ... based on current Ontario statistics you have 16 times (1600% more chance) of developing severe illness requiring hospitalization if you are unvaccinated.
- vaccine has likely not been tested sufficiently. Speed to market was the key issue here ... both to make $$ (whoever was first, Pfizer/Moderna won), and to try and curb the illness.
- vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID ... anti-vaxxers are incorrectly using statistics to say vaccine doesn't work. It is irrelevant to say ... you see 400 covid infections today are with vaccinated people. The answer to that is, so what?? That's actually supposed to happen. The vaccine only reduces the likelyhood of developing a severe illness to COVID.

My stance on the whole matter is that getting the vaccine should be a choice ... but with that choice comes responsibility.
You equally have to respect one another's choice. It should not matter if the person beside you got the vaccine or not. It is for you to decide.
Your choice carries responsibility ... for example ... the vaccinated should not be punished with a lockdown, if unvaccinated fill the ICUs ... perhaps
then the unvaccinated should be subject to a shutdown, if they are found to be the problematic group ... and a decision like that must be based on
real data, not feelings or speculation.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

There's always three stories. Side A, Side B and the truth. Vaccine-supporters and Anti-Vaxxers ... they'll both go eye deep into their narrative.
The truth is in the middle. Here's where I think the middle is.

- covid was leaked, not sure if it was by accident or on purpose
- covid is bad, it is not "just like the flu", it is worse. I know people who have died from it, and healthy people that have had serious illness from it (including that they still after 6 months cannot smell or taste anything). I know of an anti-vaxx family, husband got covid, died in hospital last week. Wife now regrets not taking vaccine ... father leaves her behind and a 6 year old kid.
- vaccine does reduce the severity of the infection ... based on current Ontario statistics you have 16 times (1600% more chance) of developing severe illness requiring hospitalization if you are unvaccinated.
- vaccine has likely not been tested sufficiently. Speed to market was the key issue here ... both to make $$ (whoever was first, Pfizer/Moderna won), and to try and curb the illness.
- vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID ... anti-vaxxers are incorrectly using statistics to say vaccine doesn't work. It is irrelevant to say ... you see 400 covid infections today are with vaccinated people. The answer to that is, so what?? That's actually supposed to happen. The vaccine only reduces the likelyhood of developing a severe illness to COVID.

My stance on the whole matter is that getting the vaccine should be a choice ... but with that choice comes responsibility.
You equally have to respect one another's choice. It should not matter if the person beside you got the vaccine or not. It is for you to decide.
Your choice carries responsibility ... for example ... the vaccinated should not be punished with a lockdown, if unvaccinated fill the ICUs ... perhaps
then the unvaccinated should be subject to a shutdown, if they are found to be the problematic group ... and a decision like that must be based on
real data, not feelings or speculation.

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Yup can't argue with that summation

Vaccine Adverse Events in Ontario (Sep 12-Sep 18)

- Reporting rate increasing in all age brackets
- 12 more hospitalizations
- 22 more cases of Myocarditis/pericarditis.
- 172 very cryptic Other Severe or Unusual Events (see img for more)

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Source: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...efi-report.pdf

Here is a side effect of them or from them and shows how they don't work.

https://youtu.be/gqVfrKR_tDc

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Here is a side effect of them or from them and shows how they don't work.

https://youtu.be/gqVfrKR_tDc

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Good find

Several athletes have reported serious vaccine effects. The latest:

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tenni...-problems-now/

Yeah I think there side affects with the Moderna, I notice my hair turning gray.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Several athletes have reported serious vaccine effects. The latest:

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tenni...-problems-now/

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Yeah I think there side affects with the Moderna, I notice my hair turning gray.

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Global has just reported that the Ontario Gov't is not recommending Moderna for young men due to risk of myocarditis. Now we wait until they have to disclose the next side effect etc etc.

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Originally Posted by M_P

Global has just reported that the Ontario Gov't is not recommending Moderna for young men due to risk of myocarditis. Now we wait until they have to disclose the next side effect etc etc.

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Yepp. But they all said it was safe and effective, when it's neither safe nor effective.
Spike proteins are toxins.

Where's the accountability to all those doctors that pushed mixing shots & saying that myocarditis wasn't a concern?
They should all have their licenses stripped for not following their pledged oath, 'do no harm.'
We need doctors who care about patients not vaccine salesmen.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ne...urce=onesignal

Seattle, WA — Jessica Berg Wilson, an "exceptionally healthy and vibrant 37-year-old young mother with no underlying health conditions," passed away from covid vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia. She did not want to get vaccinated.

https://obits.oregonlive.com/us/obit...?pid=200278331

The government knows how evil this mRNA shot is. They want you to play Russian roulette with your life.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

There's always three stories. Side A, Side B and the truth. Vaccine-supporters and Anti-Vaxxers ... they'll both go eye deep into their narrative.
The truth is in the middle. Here's where I think the middle is.

- covid was leaked, not sure if it was by accident or on purpose
- covid is bad, it is not "just like the flu", it is worse. I know people who have died from it, and healthy people that have had serious illness from it (including that they still after 6 months cannot smell or taste anything). I know of an anti-vaxx family, husband got covid, died in hospital last week. Wife now regrets not taking vaccine ... father leaves her behind and a 6 year old kid.
- vaccine does reduce the severity of the infection ... based on current Ontario statistics you have 16 times (1600% more chance) of developing severe illness requiring hospitalization if you are unvaccinated.
- vaccine has likely not been tested sufficiently. Speed to market was the key issue here ... both to make $$ (whoever was first, Pfizer/Moderna won), and to try and curb the illness.
- vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID ... anti-vaxxers are incorrectly using statistics to say vaccine doesn't work. It is irrelevant to say ... you see 400 covid infections today are with vaccinated people. The answer to that is, so what?? That's actually supposed to happen. The vaccine only reduces the likelyhood of developing a severe illness to COVID.

My stance on the whole matter is that getting the vaccine should be a choice ... but with that choice comes responsibility.
You equally have to respect one another's choice. It should not matter if the person beside you got the vaccine or not. It is for you to decide.
Your choice carries responsibility ... for example ... the vaccinated should not be punished with a lockdown, if unvaccinated fill the ICUs ... perhaps
then the unvaccinated should be subject to a shutdown, if they are found to be the problematic group ... and a decision like that must be based on
real data, not feelings or speculation.

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That's about where I am with this.
I do think that the pro-vax side has hurt themselves by putting out questionable information and by pushing for mandatory vaccinations.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

There's always three stories. Side A, Side B and the truth. Vaccine-supporters and Anti-Vaxxers ... they'll both go eye deep into their narrative.
The truth is in the middle. Here's where I think the middle is.

- covid was leaked, not sure if it was by accident or on purpose
- covid is bad, it is not "just like the flu", it is worse. I know people who have died from it, and healthy people that have had serious illness from it (including that they still after 6 months cannot smell or taste anything). I know of an anti-vaxx family, husband got covid, died in hospital last week. Wife now regrets not taking vaccine ... father leaves her behind and a 6 year old kid.
- vaccine does reduce the severity of the infection ... based on current Ontario statistics you have 16 times (1600% more chance) of developing severe illness requiring hospitalization if you are unvaccinated.
- vaccine has likely not been tested sufficiently. Speed to market was the key issue here ... both to make $$ (whoever was first, Pfizer/Moderna won), and to try and curb the illness.
- vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID ... anti-vaxxers are incorrectly using statistics to say vaccine doesn't work. It is irrelevant to say ... you see 400 covid infections today are with vaccinated people. The answer to that is, so what?? That's actually supposed to happen. The vaccine only reduces the likelyhood of developing a severe illness to COVID.

My stance on the whole matter is that getting the vaccine should be a choice ... but with that choice comes responsibility.
You equally have to respect one another's choice. It should not matter if the person beside you got the vaccine or not. It is for you to decide.
Your choice carries responsibility ... for example ... the vaccinated should not be punished with a lockdown, if unvaccinated fill the ICUs ... perhaps
then the unvaccinated should be subject to a shutdown, if they are found to be the problematic group ... and a decision like that must be based on
real data, not feelings or speculation.

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I would disagree with two points:

1) Everyone lied about the vaccine initially by saying it was safer and more effective than it actually is, and that we'd all be able to return to normal once around 70% or so had it...

The goal posts have shifted significantly and people just say "that's the way it always was". Boiling frog syndrome.

Fauci is on record back in February saying that all 3 vaccines were 100% safe and effective against death & hospitalization.

- First they said all 3 were safe
- then it was perfectly ok to mix vaccines
- it became "AstraZeneca is no longer recommended; its use has been halted"
- then it was "actually, don't mix the vaccines"
- now it's "due to heart risks choose Pfizer over Moderna"

The wonders of Science :)

2) Vaccinated are also dying and filling up hospitals. We are in no way better off now with 80% fully vaxxed than this time last year. I don't think the vaxxed should have any more freedoms than non-vaxxed.

Injecting (pun intended) a bit of humour here.

https://rumble.com/vnacu1-focused-li...hat-pisoo.html

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

I would disagree with two points:

1) Everyone lied about the vaccine initially by saying it was safer and more effective than it actually is, and that we'd all be able to return to normal once around 70% or so had it...

The goal posts have shifted significantly and people just say "that's the way it always was". Boiling frog syndrome.

Fauci is on record back in February saying that all 3 vaccines were 100% safe and effective against death & hospitalization.

- First they said all 3 were safe
- then it was perfectly ok to mix vaccines
- it became "AstraZeneca is no longer recommended; its use has been halted"
- then it was "actually, don't mix the vaccines"
- now it's "due to heart risks choose Pfizer over Moderna"

The wonders of Science :)

2) Vaccinated are also dying and filling up hospitals. We are in no way better off now with 80% fully vaxxed than this time last year. I don't think the vaxxed should have any more freedoms than non-vaxxed.

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Well, I'd say your point (1) falls right in line with my 4th point (vaccine has probably not been tested adequately). I think government did sway in their verbage quite a bit ... I mean there was a point where they said wearing masks was not good and should be avoided, then we went 180 degrees to mandatory masks ... no wonder very few trust the government and what they say!

(2) I'm not so sure about that ... I only know one person out of thousands that have had an adverse effect to the vaccine ... while I know plenty who got covid and got really, really sick or died. There's now two close contacts that were anti-vaxxers and died due to COVID. One is a family member of ours in the USA. By mid November we will know for sure whether the COVID cases curve looks the same as last year or not ... right now it looks like the numbers in Ontario are dropping, while last year they were rising ... I see a bit of a difference. But let's also note ... the vaccine doesn't prevent covid ... so looking at total covid cases makes no sense ... the numbers will be there with or without vaccine. All that matters is ICU cases and deaths. We are pretty low on that in Ontario at the moment.

More on the vaxxed
https://www.worldtribune.com/unexpec...orror-stories/

https://www.ute.com/video/bDgi5om3cR...pZVY_YpsX0J184

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Originally Posted by MarkB

All that matters is ICU cases and deaths. We are pretty low on that in Ontario at the moment.

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Look back into the past says that there is over 100 more people in ICU and way more using ventilators. In Ontario.

From yesterday's news

https://globalnews.ca/news/8239561/o...october-3/amp/

Vs last year with Only 44 in ICU
Same day.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7376209/o...3-covid19/amp/

As a whole for Canada we we are 770 in ICU. Last October 3rd 126 in ICU .

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Look back into the past says that there is over 100 more people in ICU and way more using ventilators. In Ontario.

From yesterday's news

https://globalnews.ca/news/8239561/o...october-3/amp/

Vs last year with Only 44 in ICU
Same day.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7376209/o...3-covid19/amp/

As a whole for Canada we we are 770 in ICU. Last October 3rd 126 in ICU .

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What % of today's ICU numbers are vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?

This data suggests 86% is unvaccinated ... which doesn't surprise me.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations (see Hospitalizations by vaccination status).

Other than wearing masks, society has pretty much gone back to normal life now.
In Oct 2020, we would be starting our second shut down just before thanksgiving ... and people were a bit anxious about the situation, and not as mobile.
So, I think what explains the increased numbers now vs. then is more interaction now vs. then ... and this results in many unvaccinated people getting really sick.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

What % of today's ICU numbers are vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?

This data suggests 86% is unvaccinated ... which doesn't surprise me.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations (see Hospitalizations by vaccination status).

Other than wearing masks, society has pretty much gone back to normal life now.
In Oct 2020, we would be starting our second shut down just before thanksgiving ... and people were a bit anxious about the situation, and not as mobile.
So, I think what explains the increased numbers now vs. then is more interaction now vs. then ... and this results in many unvaccinated people getting really sick.

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Our MSM news are not being honest with reporting. More on covid deaths among the vaxxed
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...cinated-video/

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Originally Posted by MarkB

What % of today's ICU numbers are vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?

This data suggests 86% is unvaccinated ... which doesn't surprise me.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations (see Hospitalizations by vaccination status).

Other than wearing masks, society has pretty much gone back to normal life now.
In Oct 2020, we would be starting our second shut down just before thanksgiving ... and people were a bit anxious about the situation, and not as mobile.
So, I think what explains the increased numbers now vs. then is more interaction now vs. then ... and this results in many unvaccinated people getting really sick.

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Lots of things to consider and wonder .


We all know they want to blame the unvaccinated.

Didn't we shut down last year as the hospital were going to be overwhelming? Why are ICU numbers up ? But when we look at different data the hospital space is coming from an older age.
It's not everyone like they keep claiming.

I just came across this the average ICU is 59 in Alberta . Check out the ICU it breaks it all down by age .
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...statistics.htm

In Ontario Chatham Kent said the average age is 61 years old.
https://blackburnnews.com/chatham/ch...unit-now-full/

We have 27 million fully vaccinated by our charts leaving 11 mil left there are millions that can't get it due to age .

I still think we have a pandemic of the elderly . I said it last year . It is rare for the young to end up in the hospital

Lots of people over 60 not willing to take it .

Maybe they are using every tool available to push and blame the unvaccinated. They have twisted all the other numbers why not these too.

Just my opinion maybe the pandemic of the unvaccinated is just a small portion of the population with only a few percent not vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

What % of today's ICU numbers are vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?

This data suggests 86% is unvaccinated ... which doesn't surprise me.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations (see Hospitalizations by vaccination status).


In Oct 2020, we would be starting our second shut down just before thanksgiving ... and people were a bit anxious about the situation, and not as mobile.

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An article about starring down to Ontario lockdown posted Nov 14th 2020 with less in the hospital .

Only 110 in ICU then. Now we are almost at 180 the beginning of October . With staff shortages?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...down-1.5801748


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Soon very few people will be unvaccinated or have not had covid or are under age for vaccine
It must be a few million now.

Just another classic example how they add up the numbers.
They are counting from the day we started the extremely slow pace rollout of the shot's.

In Ontario they started counting I think December 20th . Well long term care in Ontario was not fully vaccinated until I think mid March 3 months of unvaccinated death's and cases are added as unvaccinated.

Alberta is calculating from Jan 1 lol. Well before much of the public was even vaccinated

86.3% of cases (173,192/200,575) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

86.2% of hospitalized cases (8,021/9,306) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

78.8% of COVID-19 deaths (960/1,218) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes






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Alberta update on July 7th they hit 50% 2 doses. They started the unvaccinated bs crap using 7.5 months of unvaccinated before they had 50 percent of the population double jabbed.

See how they twist everything

You USA tried it too and was busted when the said 90% were from the unvaccinated.


Just blame the unvaccinated the only product in the world that gets the blame for not taking it.

So safe they won't know the side effects until the public has a problem with it.


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New Brunswick is just about 90% vaxxed (1 dose) and 81% with 2 doses. They have never seen cases and hospitalizations as high as they are currently. How can anyone look at this and not wonder wtf is going on?

Also, I'm sure places like PEI will explode with cases heading into the winter with no natural immunity.

But MSM continues to blame the unvaccinated.


Check this out: https://twitter.com/HotLipsMaggie/st...24315502698497

Look at all the adverse health effects reported.

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New Brunswick is just about 90% vaxxed (1 dose) and 81% with 2 doses. They have never seen cases and hospitalizations as high as they are currently. How can anyone look at this and not wonder wtf is going on?

Also, I'm sure places like PEI will explode with cases heading into the winter with no natural immunity.

But MSM continues to blame the unvaccinated.

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... and the blind continue to lap it up, even though they've been told by their beloved MSM that the vaccine doesn't even work. Some will cling to the idea that the shot keeps you out of the hospital, but your immune system was already doing that at a nearly 95 percent rate. It's an empty claim.

Global News: Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness drops 6 months after 2nd dose: study.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8243462/p...-months-study/

Side note: getting tired of dancing in the end zone on the covid issue. Going to take a break on the subject going forward and concentrate on hunting season and family. My feeling now is this has been one great big sideshow for the bigger issues to follow.

Apologies to those I've offended on this issue. Anything I've said or done is out of frustrations of watching friends and family make unfortunate decisions because they were intentionally scared into compliance.

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17 yo old boy dies weeks after receiving the vaccine:

https://thecovidworld.com/sean-hartm...id-19-vaccine/

More vaccine horror
https://www.worldtribune.com/unexpec...orror-stories/

My kids are alive and all my friends kids are still alive, my grand daughter is still alive, my nephews again all still alive all my relatives are still alive.

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17 yo old boy dies weeks after receiving the vaccine:

https://thecovidworld.com/sean-hartm...id-19-vaccine/

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Yes and you can find all kinds for every vaccine out there.

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More vaccine horror
https://www.worldtribune.com/unexpec...orror-stories/

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My kids are alive and all my friends kids are still alive, my grand daughter is still alive, my nephews again all still alive all my relatives are still alive.

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You know the rest of all 10 million young Canadian kids lol. It's a rare risk but it's also a rare risk they would even end up in the hospital.

What's the rush to force injections with the same risks maybe even worse at certain age .?


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You will find just as many incidents with the other vaccines such as Polio.

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You know the rest of all 10 million young Canadian kids lol. It's a rare risk but it's also a rare risk they would even end up in the hospital.

What's the rush to force injections with the same risks maybe even worse at certain age .?


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My kids are alive and all my friends kids are still alive, my grand daughter is still alive, my nephews again all still alive all my relatives are still alive.

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That's good to hear, obviously, however it doesn't negate the high number of deaths and serious complications in healthy young people from the vaccine...
Healthy young people do not suddenly die this often.

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2021/10/0...cal-emergency/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...dies-1.6182332

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...ea-high-school

https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/stori...-lebel-farrell

https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/stori...ael-anne-smith

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/sta...44428894441477

Many many more links but I'll leave it at that for now.

I haven't researched it yet, but I doubt the rate is above .00001%

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That's good to hear, obviously, however it doesn't negate the high number of deaths and serious complications in healthy young people from the vaccine...
Healthy young people do not suddenly die this often.

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2021/10/0...cal-emergency/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...dies-1.6182332

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...ea-high-school

https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/stori...-lebel-farrell

https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/stori...ael-anne-smith

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/sta...44428894441477

Many many more links but I'll leave it at that for now.

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An article about starring down to Ontario lockdown posted Nov 14th 2020 with less in the hospital .

Only 110 in ICU then. Now we are almost at 180 the beginning of October . With staff shortages?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...down-1.5801748


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Yes it appears there are more people in ICU due to COVID today in comparison to a year ago.
But, if we are to believe the numbers, the majority (86%) today are unvaccinated people. There's apparently
only 16 people in ICU that are fully or partially vaccinated. So if we compare 110 in ICU back a year ago vs.
16 vaccinated (and partially vaccinated) now ... that's a big drop. I think, again if I can believe the data, it
would make sense that the number of unvaccinated in ICU are up, because if you look at any shopping parking
lot, you'll agree life is pretty much back to normal, so transmission would likely be higher now than it was
last October, when everyone was still a bit nervous about going out, and roads were pretty empty.

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You know the rest of all 10 million young Canadian kids lol. It's a rare risk but it's also a rare risk they would even end up in the hospital.

What's the rush to force injections with the same risks maybe even worse at certain age .?


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I think the concern has always been a situation like what happened in Italy.
I'm not sure if we forgot what happened there. No vaccines, COVID got out of control,
and they were deciding who would live and who would die due to lack of ICU beds and ventillators.

We were talking with a doctor in Italy who was live on the scene treating patients.
He said it was true ... if you were too old, you were left in the hallway to die ... it was terrible
for a doctor to have to decide who would be treated, and who would be left to die.
I don't know about you guys ... but that situation did not seem like any normal flu to me, and that
was before any vaccines were made available to anyone.

The thought is that the vaccine will minimize severe illness from COVID. If we can believe that, it looks like
it does ... 12 million in Ontario with at least one dose ... only 16 in ICU, whereas 2 million without vaccine, and there are 75 in ICU.
Consider the ratios 16 in 12 million vs, 75 in 2 million. The ratio is 30 times higher for unvaccinated people.

Now, if you say, let me leave it to chance, because I have only a 2% chance of dying ... and I'd rather take
my chances than get a jab of something I don't think is thoroughly tested ... okay, I get that. But, as I stated earlier on other threads,
if ICU is full up on non-vaccinated, and then someone that has cancer or needs heart surgery cannot be treated ... how is that fair?

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and then someone that has cancer or needs heart surgery cannot be treated ... how is that fair?

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So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoked 2 packs a day or drank a 40 oz of liquor a week for most of their lives which created their present health conditions, like cancer and heart failure, should have priority access to an ICU bed over a guy whos choice was not to have a vaccination and was unlucky enough to get really sick from the virus? (only .04% of the population)

Vaccine injury database WHO

http://vigiaccess.org/

Total number of records retrieved: 2201851

Blood and lymphatic system disorders (88967)
Cardiac disorders (108468)
Congenital, familial and genetic disorders (1191)
Ear and labyrinth disorders (73537)
Endocrine disorders (3003)
Eye disorders (80958)
Gastrointestinal disorders (454963)
General disorders and administration site conditions (1344552)
Hepatobiliary disorders (4391)
Immune system disorders (30921)
Infections and infestations (148058)
Injury, poisoning and procedural complications (107113)
Investigations (299007)
Metabolism and nutrition disorders (50210)
Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders (647069)
Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) (3256)
Nervous system disorders (952822)
Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions (4921)
Product issues (3656)
Psychiatric disorders (104221)
Renal and urinary disorders (17730)
Reproductive system and breast disorders (85797)
Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders (233274)
Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders (303701)
Social circumstances (15418)
Surgical and medical procedures (19664)
Vascular disorders (119464)

Continent Count Percentage
Africa 60014 3
Americas 829598 38
Asia 136272 6
Europe 1108803 50
Oceania 67164 3

Age group Count Percentage
0 - 27 days 301 0
28 days to 23 months 1327 0
2 - 11 years 1580 0
12 - 17 years 31540 1
18 - 44 years 866558 39
45 - 64 years 691374 31
65 - 74 years 211170 10
≥ 75 years 142135 6
Unknown 255866 12


Sex Count Percentage
Female 1517989 69
Male 655422 30
Unknown 28440 1

Year Count Percentage
2021 2199476 100
2020 2259 0
2019 83 0
2018 29 0
2017 2 0
2016 1 0
2014 1 0

It's an ongoing trend happening but kept hush from MSM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

Why would these people need the vaccine???

“Since then, the Ontario government has admitted that at least one of the vaccines pushed on the public has caused serious heart problems in young men, who are at virtually no statistical risk of suffering severely from COVID. “

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So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoked 2 packs a day or drank a 40 oz of liquor a week for most of their lives which created their present health conditions, like cancer and heart failure, should have priority access to an ICU bed over a guy whos choice was not to have a vaccination and was unlucky enough to get really sick from the virus? (only .04% of the population)

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I don't think we should base this on the assumption that the only way people get cancer is by smoking, or have liver/heart disease because of drinking.
I know a few people who do not smoke or drink and still get breast cancer, stomach cancer, prostate cancer, etc. Perhaps we can blame toxins in food, drinking water,
hereditary issues ... but for sure, it's wrong to paint cancer with one broad brush stroke and assume that everyone "deserves" it based on what they did in their lives.

There are people that are being sidelined in hospitals, that deserve treatment ... all because ICU capacity is limited. So, perhaps let me rephrase the question, how is it
fair that a mother of 3 that has tried to live a healthy lifestyle but still got breast cancer ... how is it fair that she loses her ability to get an operation to remove a stage 2 or 3 growth,
because unvaccinated are occupying almost all the ICU capacity.

That is the dilemma we face.

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Vaccine injury database WHO

http://vigiaccess.org/

Total number of records retrieved: 2201851

Blood and lymphatic system disorders (88967)
Cardiac disorders (108468)
Congenital, familial and genetic disorders (1191)
Ear and labyrinth disorders (73537)
Endocrine disorders (3003)
Eye disorders (80958)
Gastrointestinal disorders (454963)
General disorders and administration site conditions (1344552)
Hepatobiliary disorders (4391)
Immune system disorders (30921)
Infections and infestations (148058)
Injury, poisoning and procedural complications (107113)
Investigations (299007)
Metabolism and nutrition disorders (50210)
Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders (647069)
Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) (3256)
Nervous system disorders (952822)
Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions (4921)
Product issues (3656)
Psychiatric disorders (104221)
Renal and urinary disorders (17730)
Reproductive system and breast disorders (85797)
Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders (233274)
Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders (303701)
Social circumstances (15418)
Surgical and medical procedures (19664)
Vascular disorders (119464)

Continent Count Percentage
Africa 60014 3
Americas 829598 38
Asia 136272 6
Europe 1108803 50
Oceania 67164 3

Age group Count Percentage
0 - 27 days 301 0
28 days to 23 months 1327 0
2 - 11 years 1580 0
12 - 17 years 31540 1
18 - 44 years 866558 39
45 - 64 years 691374 31
65 - 74 years 211170 10
≥ 75 years 142135 6
Unknown 255866 12


Sex Count Percentage
Female 1517989 69
Male 655422 30
Unknown 28440 1

Year Count Percentage
2021 2199476 100
2020 2259 0
2019 83 0
2018 29 0
2017 2 0
2016 1 0
2014 1 0

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Wait, there's COVID-19 vaccine (developed and issued in 2020) injury data going back to 2014????

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Wait, there's COVID-19 vaccine (developed and issued in 2020) injury data going back to 2014????

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Obviously not lol, it's just to give a reference compared to the last two years, smh

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Originally Posted by MarkB

how is it fair that she loses her ability to get an operation to remove a stage 2 or 3 growth,
because unvaccinated are occupying almost all the ICU capacity.

That is the dilemma we face.

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That is not a dilemma we face. Who told you that story? MSM?
Cancer centres are stand alone units. Inform yourself.

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I don't think we should base this on the assumption that the only way people get cancer is by smoking, or have liver/heart disease because of drinking.

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I didn't...you drew that conclusion. I provided a reasonable reply to your continued assertion that unvaccinated covid patients shouldn't be occupying beds in the ICU. .."how is that fair" ?

Of course, there are people who are sick in the ICU with a raft of ailments, including unvaccinated covid patients who have comorbidity issues like cancer. We also have fully vaccinated people, who also have comorbidity issues, who are now in the ICU with covid (about 30% of ICU patients yesterday) ).

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But, as I stated earlier on other threads,
if ICU is full up on non-vaccinated, and then someone that has cancer or needs heart surgery cannot be treated ... how is that fair

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Being sanctimonious doesn't give you the right to decide who is entitled to a bed in the ICU, whether you think it's fair or not.

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Obviously not lol, it's just to give a reference compared to the last two years, smh

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Actually I was being serious with that question ... is that proof they were testing the vaccine PRIOR to COVID even hitting the streets??

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That is not a dilemma we face. Who told you that story? MSM?
Cancer centres are stand alone units. Inform yourself.

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Are you aware that last year ... operations (which are done in the same hospitals as COVID ICU centers) were deferred due to capacity limitations?
There were numerous cancellations ... if you look out west now, like in Alberta ... there's numerous news articles of people complaining that critical operations
are being cancelled or deferred.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/a-lot-of-...ures-1.5579192

If you have to have a major surgery like to remove part of your colon due to cancer ... you will need ICU. If ICU is inundated with COVID patients, will they not
have to cancel the surgery due to lack of capacity? I don't know what you are referring to when you say there are stand alone cancer centres ... operations are still
done at the hospital, and ICU is ICU.

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Actually I was being serious with that question ... is that proof they were testing the vaccine PRIOR to COVID even hitting the streets??

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It is a new database with a catch all filter they use.
It is not specific to covid-19 vaccines and says so on the front page disclaimer.

It does however clearly show that we have not had any problems with vaccines up until mRNA showed up.
This is the important in your face reality that needs to be absorbed.

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I didn't...you drew that conclusion. I provided a reasonable reply to your continued assertion that unvaccinated covid patients shouldn't be occupying beds in the ICU. .."how is that fair" ?

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Mike, respectfully ... this is in fact what you said ... you zeroed in on the cancer patient being a smoker or drinker ... I never brought that up, you did.

"So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoked 2 packs a day or drank a 40 oz of liquor a week for most of their lives which created their present health conditions, like cancer and heart failure, should have priority access to an ICU bed"

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Originally Posted by impact

It is a new database with a catch all filter they use.
It is not specific to covid-19 vaccines and says so on the front page disclaimer.

It does however clearly show that we have not had any problems with vaccines up until mRNA showed up.
This is the important in your face reality that needs to be absorbed.

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OK, please clarify, what exactly were the keyword's searched for? All vacccines?? If that's the case, only 1 problem from all vaccines in all of 2014 ... I don't think so.
Many allergic reactions to the flu vaccine alone. This must have been a COVID-19 vaccine search alone.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Are you aware that last year ... operations (which are done in the same hospitals as COVID ICU centers) were deferred due to capacity limitations?
There were numerous cancellations ... if you look out west now, like in Alberta ... there's numerous news articles of people complaining that critical operations
are being cancelled or deferred.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/a-lot-of-...ures-1.5579192

If you have to have a major surgery like to remove part of your colon due to cancer ... you will need ICU. If ICU is inundated with COVID patients, will they not
have to cancel the surgery due to lack of capacity? I don't know what you are referring to when you say there are stand alone cancer centres ... operations are still
done at the hospital, and ICU is ICU.

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I am well aware of how things work in hospitals more so than you do.
Your source of information is MSM. Me? On site.

My neighbour is an orthopedic surgeon. Elective surgeries were postponed but back to normal with a backlog.

You are simply fear mongering.

Guys ... I'm not here to argue with you ... I'm trying to have constructive debate. FOR SURE ... I see both side so stuck hard to their version of the story, that they fail to
look at the data and facts in an unbias nature. If data is presented that doesn't suit one's story (either side, vaxxed or non-vaxxed) it's just dismissed as false data.
BOTH sides have a problem ... and I believe the truth lies in between.

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I am well aware of how things work in hospitals more so than you do.
Your source of information is MSM. Me? On site.

My neighbour is an orthopedic surgeon. Elective surgeries were postponed but back to normal with a backlog.

You are simply fear mongering.

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Dude, wtf??? Can you chill ... I am presenting information I read and hear, and see (family, neighbours HAVE HAD SURGERIES DELAYED)!!

Fear mongering ???? Who the hell do you think you're talking too ... you guys are going nuts by dividing people ... what an absolute insult!

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Mike, respectfully ... this is in fact what you said ... you zeroed in on the cancer patient being a smoker or drinker ... I never brought that up, you did.

"So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoked 2 packs a day or drank a 40 oz of liquor a week for most of their lives which created their present health conditions, like cancer and heart failure, should have priority access to an ICU bed"

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Man you really do have a comprehension problem; ...I didn't zero in on anything...I said "like Cancer" means just that, people who smoke, can get cancer. The point is they 'voluntarily' smoke', like the covid patient who voluntarily refused the vaccine.

Why do you keeping saying it isn't fair that one is in the ICU taking a bed from another..they both put themselves in the hospital.

Somewhere along the line the Dr.s will have to 'triage' them..and the deciding criteria for that bed will NOT be their life choices, but rather who has the best chance of survival....that will be Fair !!

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. you guys are going nuts by dividing people ... what an absolute insult!

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Says the guy who repeatedly is dividing society by who has and who hasn't had the vaccine...give it a break.

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Says the guy who repeatedly is dividing society by who has and who hasn't had the vaccine...give it a break.

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Dividing society??? LOL ... reality check ... I've always advocated for both sides ... I said, I understand why people are reluctant to get the vaccine due to likely insufficient testing, while I also see the argument of filling up our ICU's with unvaccinated COVID patients (so the data I'm looking at says).

Mike, if anything, I am one of few that sees both sides, and understands ... and here you call me a divider ...

Honestly, this is very disappointing responses from a few of you guys ...

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Dude, wtf??? Can you chill ... I am presenting information I read and hear, and see (family, neighbours HAVE HAD SURGERIES DELAYED)!!

Fear mongering ???? Who the hell do you think you're talking too ... you guys are going nuts by dividing people ... what an absolute insult!

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Not dividing, informing.
Operation Mockingbird. Sounds familiar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZEwwGWmaYg

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Man you really do have a comprehension problem; ...I didn't zero in on anything...I said "like Cancer" means just that, people who smoke, can get cancer. The point is they 'voluntarily' smoke', like the covid patient who voluntarily refused the vaccine.

Why do you keeping saying it isn't fair that one is in the ICU taking a bed from another..they both put themselves in the hospital.

Somewhere along the line the Dr.s will have to 'triage' them..and the deciding criteria for that bed will NOT be their life choices, but rather who has the best chance of survival....that will be Fair !!

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Why did you exclusively bring up cancer patients who smoke ... I agree, that is the same thing. But I am more referring to a case where people who fall ill not by their own fault ... and ICU beds are occupied, like in Alberta ... then what?

Anyhow, I think the points been belabored ... I don't have anything new to add.

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Why did you exclusively bring up cancer patients who smoke ...

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I didn't...

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"So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoked 2 packs a day or drank a 40 oz of liquor a week for most of their lives"

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I didn't...

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You said ... "So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoke ..."

Mike, please copy here, where in the world did I make that statement ... go back and look at all my messages ... and stop putting words in my mouth and twisting crap up.
You brought it up, so let's stop this nonsense.

Much of this thread is like listening to nervous fliers who freak out when an airliner crashes anywhere in the world but ignore the millions of people who arrive safely at their destination.

There have been 3,182 serious adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recorded in Canada out of over 55 million doses administered or 0.008%. Deaths possibly associated with the vaccine are 195 or 0.0003%

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/

Happy landings.

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Not dividing, informing.
Operation Mockingbird. Sounds familiar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZEwwGWmaYg

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Yeah what's new? We all know that, it's OLD news.

But I still maintain, you are a divider, when you say a person like me is "fear-mongering" ... it's complete BS ... you have no idea who you are talking to,
and instantly put me in a bucket, because I challenge both sides thoughts. You seem to be a guy that only wants to hear what you are thinking, otherwise
the other person is wrong, an idiot, a conspirer ... etc, etc.

Not cool at all. Here I am just trying to have an educated and informed discussion, presenting some scenarios ... and I get call a fear mongerer ... it's basically such a childish tactic to shut down a conversation you don't want to be in.

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You said ... "So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoke ..."

Mike, please copy here, where in the world did I make that statement ... go back and look at all my messages ... and stop putting words in my mouth and twisting crap up.
You brought it up, so let's stop this nonsense.

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Man you're losing it, that's my quote...I clarified I didn't specifically target smokers and clearly said "or drinkers"..."

Give it up Mark..., your wrong to even suggest that an unvaccinated covid patient is taking beds away for ICU patients...it hasn't and won't happen unless the triage determines which one will get palliative care...that's how the system works.

BREAKING -- Moderna shot now halted in Sweden for those 20 or younger: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...91-och-senare/

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Man you're losing it, that's my quote...I clarified I didn't specifically target smokers and clearly said "or drinkers"..."

Give it up Mark..., your wrong to even suggest that an unvaccinated covid patient is taking beds away for ICU patients...it hasn't and won't happen unless the triage determines which one will get palliative care...that's how the system works.

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Mike whatever .... "or drinkers" lol ... you are completely missing the point.
I said what if someone who needs an operation can't because ICU is full ... you go straight to smokers or drinkers ...
Then you object when I only refer to the "smokers" part ... and say no, no, no ... I said "smokers OR DRINKERS" What a stupid play on words.
You're definitely losing it man ... I honestly can't believe I'm having this conversation.

And right now, believe what you want, but in Ontario the stats say MOST (as in 86%) of the people in ICU with COVID, are unvaccinated.
So give it up ... go on, tell me the data is a lie, post the "internet news" you believe in ... because I know, if it doesn't fit what's in your head ... there's no
conversation to be had.

What a joke ... I thought you were a guy that can look at information, and have a civil conversation ... and here we are. You've put me against you ... absolutely insane.

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Mike whatever .... "or drinkers" lol ... you are completely missing the point.

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You've not comprehended anything in this conversation, and you blame me...HaHa..

Just carry on thinking that it's unfair to have ICU beds occupied with un-vaccinated covide patients...that's all we need to know about the kind of person you're are.

and here's your quote so you're not confused:

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But, as I stated earlier on other threads,
if ICU is full up on non-vaccinated, and then someone that has cancer or needs heart surgery cannot be treated ... how is that fair?

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BREAKING -- Moderna shot now halted in Sweden for those 20 or younger:

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Health Canada better do the right thing here, the Village Idiots fixation to get 100% vaccinated will have to take a back seat to public safety. Take Moderna out of the equation.

Mean while...time for the booster !!

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While protection against hospitalizations remained consistent over the course of the study, protection against Covid-19 infections dropped over time.

Effectiveness against infections was 88% during the first month after a person was vaccinated, but dropped to 47% after five months, according to the study. The authors said that the spread of the Delta variant wasn’t responsible for the drop in efficacy against infection over time.

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We have to remember that 20% of the population between 50 and 70 are not vaxxed. Between this age is the average of needing an ICU.

It could totally be the vaxxed having the lower ICU at the moment but a small portion of the total population.

New Brunswick nobody under 20 is in the hospital blaming the unvaccinated is a large group under 20. They are obviously not the problem.

Chatham Kent a few weeks back they are fully with 16 Covid cases 5 on ICU the average age was 61 years old.



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You've not comprehended anything in this conversation, and you blame me...HaHa..

Just carry on thinking that it's unfair to have ICU beds occupied with un-vaccinated covide patients...that's all we need to know about the kind of person you're are.

and here's your quote so you're not confused:

if ICU is full up on non-vaccinated, and then someone that has cancer or needs heart surgery cannot be treated ... how is that fair?

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Yes, and what is wrong with that hypothetical question MIKE???

How do you deduce that I have not comprehended anything from that question, MIKE? Big words ... like I'm some kind of idiot or something.

Is my question too tough to answer without referring to smokers or alcoholics (to get the sympathy vote for your stance)?
What I believe does not matter. It's a hypothetical question that many are thinking about ... so bury your head in the sand if you want and pretend
that isn't on the minds of many vaccinated people. Whether it is right or wrong, that is the current thinking and mentality that needs to be contented with.
But no ... let's argue whether you said smokers or smokers AND drinkers ... to completely divert attention from the question I asked ... because you have no good answer.

I ask a valid hypothetic question, that is tough to answer ... and suddenly I am a fear mongerer, and don't understand anything ... lol. WOW.

Like I said, if it doesn't suit your story, end of conversation.

If you care ... you'd be treating this as if we were having a conversation around a camp fire ... respectfully, asking questions, even challenging our own thoughts.
When you get stuck in your own version of events ... welp, you may as well just talk to yourself in a mirror ... you'll not learn anything, but you'll probably be comfortable.

Nick Karl, Pfizer Scientist: “When somebody is naturally immune -- like they got COVID -- they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination.”

Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “You’re protected for longer” if you have natural COVID antibodies compared to the COVID vaccine.

Croce: “I work for an evil corporation…Our organization is run on COVID money.”

Rahul Khandke, Pfizer Scientist: “If you have [COVID] antibodies built up, you should be able to prove that you have those built up.”

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/...e-vaccination/

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Yes, and what is wrong with that hypothetical question MIKE???

How do you deduce that I have not comprehended anything from that question, MIKE? Big words ... like I'm some kind of idiot or something.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

BREAKING -- Moderna shot now halted in Sweden for those 20 or younger: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...91-och-senare/

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A week after Ontario made a similar recommendation....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...date-1.6193455

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'Mild risk' prompts Ontario to recommend Pfizer over Moderna for those aged 18-24

CBC News· Posted: Sep 29, 2021 10:48 AM ET

An increase in cases of a rare heart condition in young adults who have received the COVID-19 Moderna vaccines has prompted Ontario to recommend the Pfizer-BioNTech shots for those aged 18 to 24 "out of an abundance of caution."

The province says the rise of myocarditis and pericarditis cases has been particularly observed among men in that age group. Between June and August, the province says the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for men aged 18 to 24 following a second dose of Moderna was one in 5,000. There have been no fatalities.

"I'm not holding any facts back, there is a risk," said Dr. Kieran Moore, Ontario's chief medical officer of health.

In comparison, the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was one in 28,000.

However, Moore stressed that Moderna's elevated risk is "very mild" and that two of his three young sons are in the 18-24 age range and both received the vaccine with "no concerns."

"Moderna is an excellent product," he said. "I've complete confidence in in it"

The province's recommendation is preferential and people can still take the Moderna vaccine if they choose to.

The risk of a heart condition from the vaccine is still substantially lower than the risk of a heart condition should a person contract COVID-19, Moore explained.

Only two in every 100,000 people experience the side effect, Moore said. And they typically recover quickly with "simple over-the-counter medications like ibuprofen," he said. There have been no hospitalizations and no fatalities.

Meanwhile, Moore said 11 in every 100,000 people contract "moderate to severe" COVID-19 and "often end up needing hospitalization." He said that between 10 and 20 per cent of those people requiring hospitalization have heart inflammation.

While Moore said he had personal concerns that the province's recommendation might make some people even more vaccine hesitant, he felt it was necessary to build public trust.

"I hope the public will realize we're trying to be as transparent as possible."

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To bad they can't keep hiding what's happening

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

A real piece of news from CBC lol.
Shows covid is not the cause of full hospitals .
Very few people or none at all in some hospitals but they are running at full capacity.
Highly vaccinated and just put the emergency brake on .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...aths-1.6197737

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To bad they can't keep hiding what's happening

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

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Makes ya wonder what they are hiding.

The last article I posted above they also mentioned that if you are under 40 you are less likely to even be hospitalized.

It also shows how the hospital's full one was even running at 115% capacity with 2 covid patients.

They might just have the highest vaccination rate in Canada and they just put in more restrictions.

Thanks giving with only one other House hold movement restrictions again.

The list can go on and on for a place that has a high number of fully vaccinated people.

Just puts more light on what your article is mentioning.

With a safe effective vaccine they should not be rewarded with more restrictions on a heavy and most vaccinated province in Canada.

Something isn't adding up. Oh did I mention they have maybe more than doubled the case wave as they were unvaccinated.
They are in their biggest wave ever did I say that right biggest wave EVER





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Cheers.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/daisymay4...092503553?s=19

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Something isn't adding up. Oh did I mention they have maybe more than doubled the case wave as they were unvaccinated.
They are in their biggest wave ever did I say that right biggest wave EVER

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Interseting slight on hand by the vaccination zealots.

How can the numbers justify that claim, when 80% of the pollution is double vaccinated and 12% are under 12.

Not many pople left that aren't vaccinated and when it only affects 4% of that population.

Someone is telling us fibs :)

Female police officer gets myocarditis from the jab. WSIB insurance won't cover her because the jab isn't "mandatory" (even though it is).

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More from the TIN HAT CROWD.

https://rumble.com/vmlttr-how-many-p...rative-as.html

Will the real Doctor be revealed LOL

https://deanblundell.com/news/80-of-...-more-than-she

How about you start to discredit all these medical experts Gilroy?

Better get busy! You only have another 55,000 to go....rotflmao

https://gbdeclaration.org/view-signatures/

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How about you start to discredit all these medical experts Gilroy?

Better get busy! You only have another 55,000 to go....rotflmao

https://gbdeclaration.org/view-signatures/

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The Great Barrington Declaration is not relevant to the discussion. This thread is about vaccines. The Great Barrington Declaration meanwhile is about lockdowns and is, in fact, pro-vaccine.

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Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

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The Great Barrington Declaration is so pro-vaccine that it cites children not being vaccinated as one of the "devastating effects" of the lockdowns.

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Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates,

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Great Barrington are pro choice. Not forced mandates.

"As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity."


Ok, since you insist on taking control of the narrative how about we go back on topic.


https://www.roxytube.com/watch/emerg...SiCTylghn.html

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..your words not mine..:)

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Keep poking Mike ... seems like you're living your high school bully dreams their buddy.

Like I said, I'm just trying to have a conversation, and asking questions ... you resort to
"I didn't say Smoking .... I said Smoking and Drinking" and "your words not mine" ... very
intelligent there buddy ... keep up the great work, your grade 5 teacher may be proud ... probably not.

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Great Barrington are pro choice. Not forced mandates.

"As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity."


Ok, since you insist on taking control of the narrative how about we go back on topic.

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The statement says nothing about "choice." It only confirms the obvious that "herd immunity" is not dependent on a vaccine.

There are two ways to achieve "herd immunity: Infection or injection. Now that over 70% of eligible Canadians have done their part (82% in Ontario) it falls to the anti-vaxxers to do theirs and become infected with the COVID virus so we can achieve "herd immunity."

Based on current Canadian statistics we will lose at least 1.7% of vaccine refuseniks and perhaps more when the health care systems runs out of spots for them. Meanwhile the deaths possibly associated with the COVID vaccine in Canada represent 0.0003% of the shots delivered.

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The statement says nothing about "choice." It only confirms the obvious that "herd immunity" is not dependent on a vaccine.

There are two ways to achieve "herd immunity: Infection or injection. Now that over 70% of eligible Canadians have done their part (82% in Ontario) it falls to the anti-vaxxers to do theirs and become infected with the COVID virus so we can achieve "herd immunity."

Based on current Canadian statistics we will lose at least 1.7% of vaccine refuseniks and perhaps more when the health care systems runs out of spots for them. Meanwhile the deaths possibly associated with the COVID vaccine in Canada represent 0.0003% of the shots delivered.

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Why do you continuously push the vax?
What's in it for you?

Natural Immunity doesn't always work, try Polio

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Great Barrington are pro choice. Not forced mandates.

"As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity."


Ok, since you insist on taking control of the narrative how about we go back on topic.


https://www.roxytube.com/watch/emerg...SiCTylghn.html

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Natural Immunity doesn't always work, try Polio

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Try apples and then oranges

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Natural Immunity doesn't always work, try Polio

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It might work with COVID however what the anti-vaxxers don't grasp is that even if it does work getting to "natural immunity" risks hundreds of thousands of Canadian lives and millions globally. The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected. Nevertheless vaccine refuseniks would prefer people not take the vaccines, become infected with COVID and shot up with horse drugs or whatever crazy concoction is the latest rage on Facebook.

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It might work with COVID however what the anti-vaxxers don't grasp is that even if it does work getting to "natural immunity" risks hundreds of thousands of Canadian lives and millions globally. The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected. Nevertheless vaccine refuseniks would prefer people not take the vaccines, become infected with COVID and shot up with horse drugs or whatever crazy concoction is the latest rage on Facebook.

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LOL, did you cut and paste that from a manual? ROTFLMAO

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It might work with COVID however what the anti-vaxxers don't grasp is that even if it does work getting to "natural immunity" risks hundreds of thousands of Canadian lives and millions globally. The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected. Nevertheless vaccine refuseniks would prefer people not take the vaccines, become infected with COVID and shot up with horse drugs or whatever crazy concoction is the latest rage on Facebook.

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Naa, doctors want to use safe and effective drugs and its showing

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...06f632875.html

More to come

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/04/c...th-ivermectin/

https://hannenabintuherland.com/asia...ccountability/

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It might work with COVID however what the anti-vaxxers don't grasp is that even if it does work getting to "natural immunity" risks hundreds of thousands of Canadian lives and millions globally. The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected. Nevertheless vaccine refuseniks would prefer people not take the vaccines, become infected with COVID and shot up with horse drugs or whatever crazy concoction is the latest rage on Facebook.

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Nebulizing peroxide

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“The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected.”


Incorrect by a long shot. How many healthy people have died / had serious complications from covid vs the jab? What about the collateral damage from all the unscientific mandates, closures, etc. during the past 2 years. People in financial, physiological and psychological ruins...

The reality is that covid is nothing other than the sniffles for the vast majority of people, especially young healthy people. But now they’re working to push the vaccine on the 5-11 demographic. Beyond ridiculous.

Covid vaccine deaths?

https://i.imgur.com/1sIPFz4.jpg

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Incorrect by a long shot. How many healthy people have died / had serious complications from covid vs the jab? What about the collateral damage from all the unscientific mandates, closures, etc. during the past 2 years. People in financial, physiological and psychological ruins...

The reality is that covid is nothing other than the sniffles for the vast majority of people, especially young healthy people. But now they’re working to push the vaccine on the 5-11 demographic. Beyond ridiculous.

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https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...-19-cases.html

As of October 7
Covid cases in Canada: 1,651,236
Covid deaths in Canada: 28,141
Death rate: 1.7%

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/

Number of doses in Canada: 55,519,317
Deaths associated with vaccines: 194
Death rate: 0.0003%

There should be zero deaths associated with vaccines. Anymore than that is totally unacceptable.

Again Badenoch, why do you push the vaccine agenda?

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https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...-19-cases.html

As of October 7
Covid cases in Canada: 1,651,236
Covid deaths in Canada: 28,141
Death rate: 1.7%

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/

Number of doses in Canada: 55,519,317
Deaths associated with vaccines: 194
Death rate: 0.0003%

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You have to remember that the majority of those death's came from a small number of cases.
Something like 70 thousand cases make up for over 17 thousand of those death's.
Under 5 percent of our reported case make the majority of the deaths. Age is a bigg factor of the outcomes we need to pay attention and address these issues.

The majority of severe side effects are happening in people under 40 they also make up the most reported cases and the least amount hospitalized or death.

If the vaccine has similar side effects as to What's happening now when they start the next round in 5 to 11 year olds. You mark my words they willl kill more than the virus in that age group.





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A chart of our total deaths

Looks similar to the hospital visits as well that I have seen.

As we can see the evidence of whom this disease is effecting.

The first 2 lowest lines make up 90 deaths with 40% of our cases load also the risk of hospitalized or sever covid is rare.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...canada-by-age/

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“The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected.”


Incorrect by a long shot. How many healthy people have died / had serious complications from covid vs the jab? What about the collateral damage from all the unscientific mandates, closures, etc. during the past 2 years. People in financial, physiological and psychological ruins...

The reality is that covid is nothing other than the sniffles for the vast majority of people, especially young healthy people. But now they’re working to push the vaccine on the 5-11 demographic. Beyond ridiculous.

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Don't know if I'd say that ... I now know of two anti-vaxxers in the past 4 weeks who died of COVID ... not anything else, they were healthy, it was definitely COVID. One is family.

Anyhow, I've said it before, I think taking the vax or not taking it is a choice ... as long as one doesn't infringe on the other's rights (working both ways). For me, getting the vax is only about not overwhelming our hospitals like what happened in Italy (and I personally know people who were in the middle of all that, a couple that died, and one was a doctor working and texting to us while he was on break in the ER ... it was REALLY bad).

Anyhow ... I think with 85% or whatever, vaxxed ... we should not have that threat anymore ... and for those that don't want the vaxx ... if you get sick enough, you may die ... but perhaps it will be just like a seasonal flu, or even asymptotic ... it's an odds game. So, I think, let people have their choice, let's stop all the restrictions and get back to normal ... and just monitor the hospitals ... carefully considering ICU capacity AND whether it is vaxxed or unvaxxed in those ICUs. If the majority is UNVAXXED ... restrictions shouldn't be put in place for VAXXED ... for sure.

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There should be zero deaths associated with vaccines. Anymore than that is totally unacceptable.

Again Badenoch, why do you push the vaccine agenda?

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You should not take one medicine then ... not even Tylenol ... there's always a risk. Zero deaths is not even realistic. Our bodies are too variable.
You can eat nuts or get stung by a bee and die ... it isn't even about medicine, but how our bodies work.

Dicking with numbers, we have a 1.7% death rate according to Badenock, but if you use his same numbers versus total population, my math has a death rate of .ooo74 dividing total population by " reported " covid deaths, just depends who does the twisting of the stats. That was with a 35 million population number I used.
WOW, I just noticed that according to my numbers which are taken directly from Badenoch, for every 7 people that die from "reported" covid, that 3 have died from Vaccine reactions. That can not be correct can it???? Numbers do not lie, just people twisting numbers to fit their agenda.
John

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Dicking with numbers, we have a 1.7% death rate according to Badenock, but if you use his same numbers versus total population, my math has a death rate of .ooo74 dividing total population by " reported " covid deaths, just depends who does the twisting of the stats. That was with a 35 million population number I used.
WOW, I just noticed that according to my numbers which are taken directly from Badenoch, for every 7 people that die from "reported" covid, that 3 have died from Vaccine reactions. That can not be correct can it???? Numbers do not lie, just people twisting numbers to fit their agenda.
John

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I think these three numbers are the most important, especially going forward:

# COVID deaths of vaccinated people / TOTAL number of vaccinated people
# COVID deaths of unvaccinated people / TOTAL number of unvaccinated people
# Vaccine deaths / TOTAL number of vaccinated people

We may want to add, but only if hospitals become over-whelmed:

# COVID severe illness (ICU) cases of vaccinated people / TOTAL number of vaccinated people
# COVID severe illness (ICU) cases of unvaccinated people / TOTAL number of unvaccinated people
# Vaccine severe illness (ICU) cases / Total number of vaccinated people

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# COVID severe illness (ICU) cases of vaccinated people / TOTAL number of vaccinated people
# COVID severe illness (ICU) cases of unvaccinated people / TOTAL number of unvaccinated people
# Vaccine severe illness (ICU) cases / Total number of vaccinated people

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The only number we should be 'MOST' interested in is how many, as a percentage, of those hospitalized are fully vaccinated.
The last I checked it was 34%....1/3 of the all Covid patients are fully vaccinated and the number is growing weekly.

Israel it's over 60% after 9 months...

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The only number we should be 'MOST' interested in is how many, as a percentage, of those hospitalized are fully vaccinated.
The last I checked it was 34%....1/3 of the all Covid patients are fully vaccinated and the number is growing weekly.

Israel it's over 60% after 9 months...

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That's your perspective Mike, because you bring your assumption that the vaccine is not effective.

Honestly I don't even think that number you present means anything at all. Let me explain, if you have 30 seconds to read this.
If a country is 100% vaccinated ... how will the ICU cases NOT BE 100% vaccinated .... there's no unvaccinated LEFT to get covid.
What is more important is ... out of 1 million vaccinated people, how many are in ICU ... 0.5, 1, 10, 500, 1000, 10000?? That's all that matters
to show the effectiveness of the vaccine (or not).

My perspective, I think the vaccine is effective ... so I care more about the # vaccinated vs population of vaccinated that are in ICU ...
but to not argue (again) ... I say watch ALL three I propose ... instead of turning a blind eye to data and only looking at part of the picture to
suit your argument ... watch all three ... it will have all the stats both sides of the equation want and need .... vaxx and non-vaxxed alike.

If you choose to ignore the other two ... well, I'm not sure why you would even want to do that ... it's like intentionally not wanting to see
data that can make a difference to people's understanding (and note the third one is % vaccinated that fall ill or die due to getting vaccine ... so in fact
it suits your side of the argument).

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That's your perspective Mike, because you bring your assumption that the vaccine is not effective...

....My perspective, I think the vaccine is effective ...

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Sorry, I don't make assumptions, the facts are available....

From the Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...183-8/fulltext

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Between Dec 14, 2020, and Aug 8, 2021, of 4 920 549 individuals assessed for eligibility, we included 3 436 957 (median age 45 years [IQR 29–61]; 1 799 395 [52·4%] female and 1 637 394 [47·6%] male). For fully vaccinated individuals, effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infections was 73% (95% CI 72–74) and against COVID-19-related hospital admissions was 90% (89–92). Effectiveness against infections declined from 88% (95% CI 86–89) during the first month after full vaccination to 47% (43–51) after 5 months. Among sequenced infections, vaccine effectiveness against infections of the delta variant was high during the first month after full vaccination (93% [95% CI 85–97]) but declined to 53% [39–65] after 4 months. Effectiveness against other (non-delta) variants the first month after full vaccination was also high at 97% (95% CI 95–99), but waned to 67% (45–80) at 4–5 months.

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Ergo why the only number that is important is how many, fully vaccinated people, are showing up in the hospital...why?? Because you want to know in a room full of the vaccinated, statistically, how many could be carrying the virus..1:10...3:10 ??

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The only number we should be 'MOST' interested in is how many, as a percentage, of those hospitalized are fully vaccinated.
The last I checked it was 34%....1/3 of the all Covid patients are fully vaccinated and the number is growing weekly.

Israel it's over 60% after 9 months...

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It's a fair point. Here are today's numbers.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

In ICU
Unvaccinated 73 (73.7%)
Partially vaccinated (11.1%)
Fully vaccinated 15 (15.2%)

In hospital but not the ICU
Unvaccinated 107 (65.6%)
Partially vaccinated 13 (7.9%)
Fully vaccinated 43 (26.3%)

It should be remembered that while the unvaccinated are the largest percentages in hospital both in ICU and non-ICU they represent less than a quarter of those eligible for vaccination in Ontario. There are fewer of them but they represent a far higher percentage of people needing critical care. Even in Israel the percentage of vaccinated needing care is lower than the percentage of people who are vaccinated.

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Sorry, I don't make assumptions, the facts are available....

From the Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...183-8/fulltext



Ergo why the only number that is important is how many, fully vaccinated people, are showing up in the hospital...why?? Because you want to know in a room full of the vaccinated, statistically, how many could be carrying the virus..1:10...3:10 ??

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Mike, you bring assumptions ... you bring your perspective, your experience. Unless you are willing to state right here to the entire forum that you have never been wrong about anything ever ...

The study you present indicates that the vaccine is effective ... I'm not sure you read the entire thing or understand it. Figure 2 shows two graphs, the top is group A, COVID-19 infections ... as in whether a person expressed symptoms, or was asymptotic. The effectiveness drops from 90% to around 50% in 6 months ... this means people experience more symptoms of sickness over time (sniffles, colds, soar throat ... but still good enough to carry on life normally).

But the bottom graph, group B, is HOSPITALIZATIONS ... as in your sick enough to have to be admitted to a hospital! And here is an excerpt about exactly that!

"Among fully vaccinated individuals of all ages, overall adjusted vaccine effectiveness estimates for COVID-19 hospital admissions were 87% (95% CI 82–91) within 1 month after being fully vaccinated, and 88% (82–92) at 5 months after full vaccination, showing no significant waning"

So, now go on, and tell me the very source YOU provided a link for is wrong, lying ... incorrect ... should be dismissed, whatever.

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It's a fair point. Here are today's numbers.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

In ICU
Unvaccinated 73 (73.7%)
Partially vaccinated (11.1%)
Fully vaccinated 15 (15.2%)

In hospital but not the ICU
Unvaccinated 107 (65.6%)
Partially vaccinated 13 (7.9%)
Fully vaccinated 43 (26.3%)

It should be remembered that while the unvaccinated are the largest percentages in hospital both in ICU and non-ICU they represent less than a quarter of those eligible for vaccination in Ontario. There are fewer of them but they represent a far higher percentage of people needing critical care. Even in Israel the percentage of vaccinated needing care is lower than the percentage of people who are vaccinated.

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Exactly ... and now compare 73 unvaccinated in ICU vs. what 2 million unvaccinated people in Ontario (most of which are kids under 12?). That is almost 36 per 1 million.
vs
15 fully vaccinated + 11 partially vaccinated (26 in total) in ICU vs what 12 million vaccinated people in Ontario?? That is 2 per 1 million.

So, I don't think you guys arguing the vaccine isn't effect is a good strategy. It's clear, the vaccine does reduce hospitalizations.

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It should be remembered that while the unvaccinated are the largest percentages in hospital both in ICU and non-ICU they represent less than a quarter of those eligible for vaccination in Ontario.

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What should be remembered is the the MSM is still using the entire population for their stats on the unvaccinated.

There is actually very few left. With 8o% of the general population vaccinated then there are only 20% left or 7.6 Million.

BUT of that about, kids under 12 account for 1.2 million that are not eligible to be vaccinated. So in reality there are only about 6.4 million un-vaccinated or about 16% of the population...in all of Canada.

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So, now go on, and tell me the very source YOU provided a link for is wrong, lying ... incorrect ... should be dismissed, whatever.

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You don't read well do you..the declining efficacy numbers I quoted are for 'Infections' NOT hospitalizations. Those are two very different things.

And no need for personal insults...it's an indicator that you're losing the debate..

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What should be remembered is the the MSM is still using the entire population for their stats on the unvaccinated.

There is actually very few left. With 8o% of the general population vaccinated then there are only 20% left or 7.6 Million.

BUT of that about, kids under 12 account for 1.2 million that are not eligible to be vaccinated. So in reality there are only about 6.4 million un-vaccinated or about 16% of the population...in all of Canada.

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And that makes the numbers even worse for the unvaccinated ... firstly lets assume kids 12 and under are likely not going to get a severe enough case of COVID to need hospitalization. It is well know COVID impacts older people more severely.

So if 75 unvacccinated in hospital and in Ontario let's say only 1 million elligible unvaccinated people ... that is 75 in ICU per million vs 2 per million for vaccinated. 37 TIMES MORE LIKELY to require hospitalization if you are unvaccinated.

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You don't read well do you..the declining efficacy numbers I quoted are for 'Infections' NOT hospitalizations. Those are two very different things.

And no need for personal insults...it's an indicator that you're losing the debate..

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Nice try Mike ... you see this is a competition for you ... not a discussion ... you have to win, don't you?

Well here's where you are wrong ... I said MANY, MANY, MANY times all that matters is HOSPITALIZATIONS ... I don't care if there are 100,000 COVID cases a day, if it's just a cold, who CARES??
You need to pull data out that suits your story ... and keep harping on infections ... WHO CARES??? It's a person with sniffles, WHO CARES???

All that matters is hospitalizations ... then you refer to an article that shows efficacy drops for infections over a 6 month period ... that SAME article says the efficacy IMPROVES over 6 months for Hospitalizations (which is exactly my point).

So guess what? Your "indicator" is wrong ... I'm not losing any argument ... in fact, the very paper you source here, PROVES MY VIEWS ARE CORRECT!

Can't wait to see the next post from you ... wonder what twist on words you're gonna use ... because it seems this is a game to you, and you just can't stand to lose this game!

You still haven't grasped where we're at with the whole Covid thing;

The key to what will roll out next IS the drop in efficacy resulting in "infections' in the double vaxxed. Right now they are getting access to the general public under the guise that because they are vaccinated the can't get the Virus.

Well that is quickly becoming untrue with 30% of the serious cases ending up in Hospitals are fully vaccinated.

So the whole Vaccine Passort efforts will soon be tossed aside as it really will have bearing on public safety. With 30% ..1/3 ...of the passengers on an airplane potentially carrying the vaccine..you're no safer there than at Walmart.

Again with the personal attacks...??

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You still haven't grasped where we're at with the whole Covid thing;

The key to what will roll out next IS the drop in efficacy resulting in "infections' in the double vaxxed. Right now they are getting access to the general public under the guise that because they are vaccinated the can't get the Virus.

Well that is quickly becoming untrue with 30% of the serious cases ending up in Hospitals are fully vaccinated.

So the whole Vaccine Passort efforts will soon be tossed aside as it really will have bearing on public safety. With 30% ..1/3 ...of the passengers on an airplane potentially carrying the vaccine..you're no safer there than at Walmart.

Again with the personal attacks...??

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Mike, you know why I am reacting the way I am ... because you are coming off as if you are some kind of headmaster, on your high horse, a know-at-all (so to speak) ... very arrogant.
It's not an insult, it's just how you are received by your comments ... and I'm sorry, it just isn't being digested very well by me. There are many very intelligent people in on this conversation.
You guys really ticked me off when you started calling me a fear mongerer, and playing games with words to try and oust me ... even repeatedly insinuating I know nothing about this thread,
then childishly stating "you said it, not me", which is meant to provoke a reaction. It's all child's play. Enough said on that. I won't repeat it, my points been made.

Now as for COVID, you guys should try and get a grip (I mean, do whatever the heck you want, at this stage I couldn't care less) ... but for your own sake, you are arguing really stupid things.
And again, I am not saying you're stupid, it's some of your arguments ... not all. Let me start with the positive ... and I've said it already, I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE THE VACCINE.
So, stop for a second, and let that absorb ... I'm positive we are on the same page here.

Here's where I think you go down the wrong path, and you will not get me to back off on this, because I am confident you are wrong.
The vaccine DOES reduce hospitalizations, according to the data on the government site, and even the paper you sourced for us all.
So, when you guys repeatedly try and extract data that show efficacy for infection is dropping ... for me, that is being selective in what you are looking at to suit you're
argument ... disregarding the more interesting data that shows efficacy actually improved over 6 months for hospitalizations.

I will repeat again, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD CARE ANYMORE ABOUT COVID CASES ... MEANS NOTHING, only ICU/hospitalizations mean something now
that almost everyone is vaccinated. Either the vaccine is working to stop/limit hospitalizations, or it isn't.

And here is another opinion ... if unvaccinated are now worried about asymptotic vaccinated carrying around the virus ... I can sure as hell tell you, that thinking absolutely supports
the need to have a COVID Vaccine Passport, and limit access to unvaccinated ... because I'm not going through another shut down for unvaccinated people, that's for sure.
If unvaccinated people are worried about getting the virus from vaccinated people, then stay home. That is what we are all trying to tell you guys, you're choice, but you're
consequence too!

I'll summarize your entire post.....bull pucky.

Your previous two posts confirmed you know little about what's going on in ref to Infection rate vs Hospitalizations, facts were provided to show you were wrong yet to continue going down the path. Which is fine, there is an old saying" Can’t Tell A Heinz Pickle Nothin’"...seems appropriate.

Since you continue to make personal attacks I'm not wasting any more time on you. I enjoy the banter but you don't deserve any more of my time.

People have had tweets with this kind of content labeled misleading, and many have been suspended from Twitter as a result.

Guess it’s now “officially” ok to say Delta isn’t different for kids & that natural immunity > than vaccine-induced.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...source=twitter

Lots of vaccine injuries
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/wh...y180Md2R1qP93Q

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It might work with COVID however what the anti-vaxxers don't grasp is that even if it does work getting to "natural immunity" risks hundreds of thousands of Canadian lives and millions globally. The risk presented by the vaccine meanwhile is infinitesimal in comparison to being infected. Nevertheless vaccine refuseniks would prefer people not take the vaccines, become infected with COVID and shot up with horse drugs or whatever crazy concoction is the latest rage on Facebook.

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This shows how much you are plugged in to your tv.

Ivermectin can be used both, by your MD or a vet. It is not a horse drug but a anti-parasitic drug.
Ivermectin is being used quite successfully off-label to treat people with covid. In fact, it is so successful that it is being deliberately ignored and banned, because it is cheap and effective. Have you heard about covid kits in India and El Salvador?

The reason media began to label it as a horse drug used by some crazzy person to treat covid is because some poor shmuck couldnt get human-intended pills and got a veterinary use ivermectin. Well, the dosages are quite different.

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This shows how much you are plugged in to your tv.

Ivermectin can be used both, by your MD or a vet. It is not a horse drug but a anti-parasitic drug.
Ivermectin is being used quite successfully off-label to treat people with covid. In fact, it is so successful that it is being deliberately ignored and banned, because it is cheap and effective. Have you heard about covid kits in India and El Salvador?

The reason media began to label it as a horse drug used by some crazzy person to treat covid is because some poor shmuck couldnt get human-intended pills and got a veterinary use ivermectin. Well, the dosages are quite different.

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Yes just another classic example of misinformation from our media.

Is was given a noble prize for its use in humans lol.


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This shows how much you are plugged in to your tv.

Ivermectin can be used both, by your MD or a vet. It is not a horse drug but a anti-parasitic drug.
Ivermectin is being used quite successfully off-label to treat people with covid. In fact, it is so successful that it is being deliberately ignored and banned, because it is cheap and effective. Have you heard about covid kits in India and El Salvador?

The reason media began to label it as a horse drug used by some crazzy person to treat covid is because some poor shmuck couldnt get human-intended pills and got a veterinary use ivermectin. Well, the dosages are quite different.

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Congrats, I see it didn't take you long to figure him out. The truth doesn't mean a thing to him, it's all trolling, propaganda and outright lies. On top of that he's not even very good at it lol.

Another typical and common drug with uses across a broad spectrum is warfarin. Originally used as a rat poison it is also used on humans as a common drug used daily to help with blood thinning.
John

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Another typical and common drug with uses across a broad spectrum is warfarin. Originally used as a rat poison it is also used on humans as a common drug used daily to help with blood thinning.
John

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First time I heard that was at the Hunt camp and the old guys were sitting around talking about the drugs they were on and they kept saying 'Rat Poison'. Waited till I got home to ask the wife (an RN) what were they talking about...sure enough !! HaHa...

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I'll summarize your entire post.....bull pucky.

Your previous two posts confirmed you know little about what's going on in ref to Infection rate vs Hospitalizations, facts were provided to show you were wrong yet to continue going down the path. Which is fine, there is an old saying" Can’t Tell A Heinz Pickle Nothin’"...seems appropriate.

Since you continue to make personal attacks I'm not wasting any more time on you. I enjoy the banter but you don't deserve any more of my time.

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I'll summarize your entire post ... I gave you information, you chose to ignore it, you chose to dismiss it. You chose to make yourself feel better by thinking I 'know little about what's going on in ref to infections vs. hospitalization (proof is, I used YOUR OWN PROVIDED REFERENCE to show vaccine effectiveness for hospitalizations is very good even after 6 months)!

You are just denying information, and dismissive of anyone that shows perspective that is different to yours. No skin off my back Mike.

Keep burying you're head in the sand, if that makes you feel better. Doesn't change the truth though ...

Another healthy 21 year old "dies suddenly"

Heard from someone who worked with him this was shortly after getting the 2nd shot.

https://www.barrietoday.com/obituari...joseph-4324411

Not even a mention of possible vaccine side effects. But many are part of the side effects lol. Just a coincidence or the burden of lack of care for the past year?

What will this mean when flu season arrives and puts a big a big strain on the health care. ?

Blood clots ? Heart conditions ? Nervous system ? Are they not on the label of bottle of juice?

It's a mystery

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ven-have-covid

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A 20 year old girl in Thailand had her leg amputated from a blood clot then it moved to her head. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...-jab-then-dies

A 28 year old bodybuilder because he thought he didn't have a choice . 4 days after his second dose he unexpectedly died. Coincidence?
https://www.newswars.com/tragic-28-y...derna-vaccine/


A coworker knows someone who started having seizures immediately after the first doses. She has had them under control for years until she took the shot.


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When you break down the serious side effects to people it's about 1 in 5200 to the people fully vaccinated.

Just the side effects alone is about 1 in 1300
I don't see to many that would have had 2 serious reactions to become fully vaccinated and now need a booster lol.

This is what's classified as a serious side effect under that is the non severe side effects. What kind of disease are they talking about ? Symptom or disease ?

"An event is considered serious if it:

results in death

is life-threatening (an event/reaction in which the patient was at real, rather than hypothetical, risk of death at the time of the event/reaction)

requires in-patient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization

results in persistent or significant disability/incapacity, or

results in a congenital anomaly/birth defect"


An adverse event is any untoward medical occurrence which follows immunization. It isn’t necessarily causally related to the usage of the vaccine. The adverse event may be any:

unfavourable or unintended sign (for example: skin rash)

abnormal laboratory finding

symptom or

disease




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More on the subject
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New findings on neurological condition.

Also plenty going to the hospital for other nervous system related issues. Tingling in the arm and hands.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tudy-j69xw0xw2

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Plenty of rare side effects add them all up and it becomes not so rare anymore.
So what might be rare side effects now become more frequently depending of the rare side effects happen to you.



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3.5 times more likely to have a brain blood clot after the j an j shot.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ood-clots.html



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Brainwashed pro-vax lunatics pushing experimental drugs on children, only to deny vaccine injuries or deaths as fake news. Instead they choose to Slander those who refuse the Vax as selfish individuals spreading covid and killing the innocent. Disgusting human beings
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I wish all you guys would be so serious about the crappy food we eat.
Oh and forget about smoking and drinking ...

That is what is killing us, way before some jab.

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I wish all you guys would be so serious about the crappy food we eat.
Oh and forget about smoking and drinking ...

That is what is killing us, way before some jab.

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Maybe you eat crappy food, I eat quite well thank you. No fast food, my freezers are full of good meats, many frozen home made dishes, I have over 200 jars of home made preserves, did up 80 just this year with lots of harvest from my gardens.
Btw this thread is about covid vaccine side effects, of which there are many. No one is forcing you to follow this thread, let alone you telling people how to live their lives.

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Maybe you eat crappy food, I eat quite well thank you. No fast food, my freezers are full of good meats, many frozen home made dishes, I have over 200 jars of home made preserves, did up 80 just this year with lots of harvest from my gardens.
Btw this thread is about covid vaccine side effects, of which there are many. No one is forcing you to follow this thread, let alone you telling people how to live their lives.

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Bro, calm down ... lol.

You guys are so friggin sensitive these days. Did you really think I was taking my time out to talk to specifically you? LOL ... if you don't eat food from the grocery store,
good for you!! Honestly! I'm gonna send you a gold sticker star in the mail, so you can proudly wear it on your chest.

I can assure you the majority of the population is eating food from grocery stores ... GMO stuff, full of anti-biotics, growth hormones, carcinogenic preservatives!
I try my best, we make our own stuff too, but the convenience of buying stuff at the grocery store means we eat this stuff too.

I'd dare to say, there's a lot of anti-vaxxers that eat that garbage ... and also smoke and drink ... very little exercise in their lives, slowly killing themselves ... then they
worry about 0.001% of the population that has a severe side effect from a vaccine ...

So, I'd say my point is very, very applicable to this discussion ... because I see it as being very hypocritical.

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I'd dare to say, there's a lot of anti-vaxxers that eat that garbage ... and also smoke and drink ... very little exercise in their lives, slowly killing themselves ...

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Why do you point out "anti-vaxxers'' ?? You're making the insinuation that poor diets are restricted to those that made a conscious decision not to get vaccinated.

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Why do you point out "anti-vaxxers'' ?? You're making the insinuation that poor diets are restricted to those that made a conscious decision not to get vaccinated.

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Mike, where are you getting that twist in my point from??? Where did I say "only anti-vaxxers" eat bad food? For crying out loud, READ my posts, instead of always having a knee jerk reaction to them.
I said that I myself (a VAXXED PERSON) fall for the convenience of grocery food.

My point is ... anyone that puts grocery food into their system, smokes, drinks, and doesn't excercise enough ... is hurting their bodies.
I'm sure there's lots of anti-vaxxers who fall in this category, but they are up in arms over a jab!! It's a joke actually ... all that other "poison" is okay!
Very hypocritical.

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Mike, where are you getting that twist in my point from??? Where did I say "only anti-vaxxers" eat bad food? For crying out loud, READ my posts, instead of always having a knee jerk reaction to them.
I said that I myself (a VAXXED PERSON) fall for the convenience of grocery food.

My point is ... anyone that puts grocery food into their system, smokes, drinks, and doesn't excercise enough ... is hurting their bodies.
I'm sure there's lots of anti-vaxxers who fall in this category, but they are up in arms over a jab!! It's a joke actually ... all that other "poison" is okay!
Very hypocritical.

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So how about people who live a healthy lifestyle, go to gym, eat healthy, don't drink or smoke and don't eat junk foods? Many of the healthier people also don't want to put untested experimental drugs in their systems to be guinea pigs. Classing these people as Anti-vaxxers is a hypocritical as one can get.
It's not the unhealthy who are refusing the jab, many are very healthy and there is absolutely no need to be part of a medical experiment that has injured and killed far to many.

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Mike, where are you getting that twist in my point from??? Where did I say "only anti-vaxxers" eat bad food?

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I'd dare to say, there's a lot of anti-vaxxers that eat that garbage ... and also smoke and drink ... very little exercise in their lives, slowly killing themselves ...

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The insinuation is there in YOUR words...

Well, it looks like Pfizer has added the chemical Tromethamine to the child vaccines -- a blood acid reducer used to stabilize people with heart attacks. Just another step in normalizing heart problems in young healthy children.

This is completely normal and everything is fine!

In the trials, any child who got sick enough after the shots to seek medical care in a hospital emergency dept. was removed from the trial reporting. Safe? Effective? You bet!

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/i...-john-su-to-go

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Well, it looks like Pfizer has added the chemical Tromethamine to the child vaccines -- a blood acid reducer used to stabilize people with heart attacks. Just another step in normalizing heart problems in young healthy children.

This is completely normal and everything is fine!

In the trials, any child who got sick enough after the shots to seek medical care in a hospital emergency dept. was removed from the trial reporting. Safe? Effective? You bet!

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/i...-john-su-to-go

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Apparently a few didn't finish the trials.
Blood in the stool.
Bleeding gums .
High fevers.
A few more was mentioned more than a half dozen who apparently didn't get the second dose.

See what happens San Francisco I think is the first place to mandate it for kids. A 5 year old will need a Vax pass .

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So how about people who live a healthy lifestyle, go to gym, eat healthy, don't drink or smoke and don't eat junk foods? Many of the healthier people also don't want to put untested experimental drugs in their systems to be guinea pigs. Classing these people as Anti-vaxxers is a hypocritical as one can get.
It's not the unhealthy who are refusing the jab, many are very healthy and there is absolutely no need to be part of a medical experiment that has injured and killed far to many.

Food for thought
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I've got lots of time for someone that is religious about being healthy, eating right, exercising, and living
by their word.

I've got no time for hypocrites that eat like pigs, smoke up a storm, drink their livers out of their willy, and then
start complaining about a jab. It's just stupid.

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The insinuation is there in YOUR words...

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Mike, stop pulling crap out of the air ... insunation ... lol. That is creative!
I SAID, I am vaxxed, and even I eat unhealthy grocery food.

JEEEEZZEEE can you read??

Man, do I have to put it in bold, size 64 font for you??

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I've got no time for hypocrites that eat like pigs, smoke up a storm, drink their livers out of their willy, and then
start complaining about a jab. It's just stupid.

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Who are you referring to the 'Vaxxed or Unvaxxed'...??

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I've got lots of time for someone that is religious about being healthy, eating right, exercising, and living
by their word.

I've got no time for hypocrites that eat like pigs, smoke up a storm, drink their livers out of their willy, and then
start complaining about a jab. It's just stupid.

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So why should the healthier people be force to be part of an experiment with unknown effects including death, with no recourse? It's called freedom of choice, not anti-vaxxers....cheers

Researchers In peer-peviewed study call for “IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL of mRNA COVID Vaccines For Use in Pregnancy, Those Breastfeeding, Those Of Childbearing Age and Children”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-age-children/

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Who are you referring to the 'Vaxxed or Unvaxxed'...??

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Is that REALLY a question? How can a vaxxed person complain about getting a jab (as in they don't want to get it) ... they already have it!!
SMH. Mike, where are you going with this?

Anti-vaxx ... period. That's the whole point ... you guys concerned over a jab ... but ask yourself
what other things are anti-vaxxers putting into their bodies that they should be equally, if not
more concerned about??

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So why should the healthier people be force to be part of an experiment with unknown effects including death, with no recourse? It's called freedom of choice, not anti-vaxxers....cheers

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NEED BOLD, super sized font here ... so I'll say it again, and again, and again.

I BELIEVE GETTING THE SHOT SHOULD BE A CHOICE.

^^^^^^^^^ READ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^ DO NOT RESPOND UNTIL YOU READ THIS ^^^^^^^

Do you guys even understand I'm on the same page with you on this point???
But where I disagree ... and whole-heartedly ... is that you think COVID is just a common flu, or only gives you the sniffles.
It is a deadly disease.

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So why should the healthier people be force to be part of an experiment with unknown effects including death, with no recourse? It's called freedom of choice, not anti-vaxxers....cheers

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By the way ... do you have something against being called anti-vaxxer or something?
That's what you are ... let's stop playing games with words ... and stop being so sensitive.
You guys quick to call others snowflakes ... but are you concerned about us calling you anti-vaxx?
Is there some other diplomatic way to label your belief?? LOL.

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NEED BOLD, super sized font here ... so I'll say it again, and again, and again.

I BELIEVE GETTING THE SHOT SHOULD BE A CHOICE.

^^^^^^^^^ READ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^ DO NOT RESPOND UNTIL YOU READ THIS ^^^^^^^

Do you guys even understand I'm on the same page with you on this point???
But where I disagree ... and whole-heartedly ... is that you think COVID is just a common flu, or only gives you the sniffles.
It is a deadly disease.

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I wouldn't quite call it a deadly disease as 80% of covid cases are mild compared to Ebola where it kills 50% that it infects. Do I want to catch covid hell no but at I going to tuck my tail run and cower. Hell no death is inevitable until they make a pill to prevent it and until that time comes we are all here for a short time so we all might better enjoy the time the good Lord has gave us as WE ALL are a long time DEAD. Cheers....

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but are you concerned about us calling you anti-vaxx?
Is there some other diplomatic way to label your belief?? LOL.

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You seem to be compelled to group any dissidents of the Lock Downs and Vaccine Mandate programs as anti-vaxxers. It was posted before, a great deal of the protesters on the election circuit were actually fully vaxxed people who were against Government mandates...not anti-vaxxers at all. That is a whole different sub group.

Make an effort...stop using a broad brush.

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I've got lots of time for someone that is religious about being healthy, eating right, exercising, and living
by their word.

I've got no time for hypocrites that eat like pigs, smoke up a storm, drink their livers out of their willy, and then
start complaining about a jab. It's just stupid.

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What is really the most stupid thing here is the fact that what you keep missing here is that those are lifestyle choices that are freely taken, but meanwhile people are basically being forced and coerced to take the jab and aren't given the freedom of choice. That makes you the big hypocrite in my books.

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I wouldn't quite call it a deadly disease as 80% of covid cases are mild compared to Ebola where it kills 50% that it infects. Do I want to catch covid hell no but at I going to tuck my tail run and cower. Hell no death is inevitable until they make a pill to prevent it and until that time comes we are all here for a short time so we all might better enjoy the time the good Lord has gave us as WE ALL are a long time DEAD. Cheers....

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I agree ... I just have this image in my head of people gasping their last breaths of air due to COVID.
It's horrible what they go through, how they die ... it's deadly for them, but I agree, there are far worse
things out there.

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You seem to be compelled to group any dissidents of the Lock Downs and Vaccine Mandate programs as anti-vaxxers. It was posted before, a great deal of the protesters on the election circuit were actually fully vaxxed people who were against Government mandates...not anti-vaxxers at all. That is a whole different sub group.

Make an effort...stop using a broad brush.

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Mike, when I call someone that doesn't want to take the vaccine an anti-vaxxer, I hardly see the problem. You are just toying with words, and trying to play a victim here. Sounds snowflakish to me. And don't confuse "doesn't want to take" with "CANNOT take" ... that's a different story, difference being having a choice vs. no choice.

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What is really the most stupid thing here is the fact that what you keep missing here is that those are lifestyle choices that are freely taken, but meanwhile people are basically being forced and coerced to take the jab and aren't given the freedom of choice. That makes you the big hypocrite in my books.

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I'll say it again, and I'm gonna keep saying this, over and over and over, until all you guys have this burned in your head:

I THINK TAKING THE VACCINE SHOULD BE A CHOICE!

^^^^^ READ THIS PLEASE, BEFORE YOU RESPOND ^^^^

So, I'm afraid you're wrong about me being a hypocrite ... I do not agree with draconian methods.
The thing I disagree with is when you guys call Covid just a flu, something that causes sniffles ... and then
call me a sheep, snowflake and fear mongerer when I present data that says otherwise.

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NEED BOLD, super sized font here ... so I'll say it again, and again, and again.

I BELIEVE GETTING THE SHOT SHOULD BE A CHOICE.

^^^^^^^^^ READ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^ DO NOT RESPOND UNTIL YOU READ THIS ^^^^^^^

Do you guys even understand I'm on the same page with you on this point???
But where I disagree ... and whole-heartedly ... is that you think COVID is just a common flu, or only gives you the sniffles.
It is a deadly disease.

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Do you not realize or are not willing to admit that by far most cases of covid have mild or even no symptoms at all, you just don't hear about that from the fear mongering media. You also seem to think that the common flu as you call it is nothing to worry about when in fact it kills many people yearly including young children. For instance in the US in 2017/2018 it caused 710,000 hospitalizations and 52,000 deaths. No need to worry though it's just the flu right, not a deadly disease? So I guess in your twisted mind anyone who doesn't get the flu shot each year is also a hypocrite and anti vaxxer?

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By the way ... do you have something against being called anti-vaxxer or something?
That's what you are ... let's stop playing games with words ... and stop being so sensitive.
You guys quick to call others snowflakes ... but are you concerned about us calling you anti-vaxx?
Is there some other diplomatic way to label your belief?? LOL.

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So yet again you resort to name calling me anti-vaxxer? I thought you claimed to have lots of time for those who religiously be healthy.
I guess living a healthier lifestyle than 90% of the population makes me anti-vaxxer? It's called I don't care to put an untested foreign substance in my body considering I've already had covid and wow I'm not dead or suffer from any ill effects. As a matter of fact I have more risk of injury or death from taking an experimental drug than covid itself.
Funny thing is people like yourself had no problem telling us people like me not staying home when covid hit were part of the problem. Yes I worked through it all, not much of a choice.Then the people not wearing masks are the problem. Now you seem to like to call people anti-vaxxers. Go right ahead if that's what makes you feel good, all the power to you.
Sensitive yes I've been crying all day....please give me a break...lol

Another completely normal reaction to a safe and effective vaccine, folks:

https://summit.news/2021/11/04/24-ye...t-during-game/

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Another completely normal reaction to a safe and effective vaccine, folks:

https://summit.news/2021/11/04/24-ye...t-during-game/

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A few out of millions, I don't know of a single person who had a reaction.

However my Cousin had a reaction and almost died from Metformin when he first started taking it, should they ban it?

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https://summit.news/2021/11/04/24-ye...t-during-game/

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Yes it has not been confirmed but as the Twitter comment says it's perfectly normal now for young healthy people to drop while playing a game lol.

It must be the new normal.

It's not unheard of but it seems to be more frequently. Like all the government officials passing out. Is that normal or just another adverse reaction?

Odds are 1in 5200 to have a serious reaction to get what we have fully vaccinated. Have you seen the serious side effects the government says is classified as a serious reaction?

The first is death the last birth defects a with a few inbetween lol.

Lately there has been more serious reactions than non serious.



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There have been tons of these incidents in teens and young adults after taking the vaccine, many of which have been linked previously in this thread.
Do you think healthy young people dropping dead is normal?

I'm gonna go with logic on this one.

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A few out of millions, I don't know of a single person who had a reaction.

However my Cousin had a reaction and almost died from Metformin when he first started taking it, should they ban it?

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To get us fully vaccinated to this point we are at 1 in 5200 had a serious reaction.

This is what a serious reaction is

"An event is considered serious if it:

results in death
is life-threatening (an event/reaction in which the patient was at real, rather than hypothetical, risk of death at the time of the event/reaction)
requires in-patient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization
results in persistent or significant disability/incapacity, or
results in a congenital anomaly/birth defect "


About 1 in let's say 2600 to have a reaction like a disease . From the fully vaccinated numbers it's actually 1 in 1300 but it says some may have experienced more than one reaction. So let's make everyone have 2 lol.
This is list of non serious side effects.
Can you tell me what disease they are talking about ? What kind of symptoms are they talking about ? What kind of abnormal laboratory findings are they finding?


"An adverse event is any untoward medical occurrence which follows immunization. It isn’t necessarily causally related to the usage of the vaccine. The adverse event may be any:

unfavourable or unintended sign (for example: skin rash)

abnormal laboratory finding

symptom or

disease

For more information, please refer to theCouncil for International Organizations of Medical Sciences (CIOMS) and World Health Organization (WHO). Definition and Application of Terms for Vaccine Pharmacovigilance. Report of CIOMS/WHO Working group on Vaccine Pharmacovigilance. Geneva: CIOMS and WHO; 2012 "





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A few out of millions, I don't know of a single person who had a reaction.

However my Cousin had a reaction and almost died from Metformin when he first started taking it, should they ban it?

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Way more than a few my hombre. More young healthy people have been harmed & killed from the jab than from covid.
I don't know anyone who's been struck by lightning -- therefore electricity is not dangerous.

Your question is silly and ignores the context.

Post your links to back it up and not from a fake news site

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Way more than a few my hombre. More young healthy people have been harmed & killed from the jab than from covid.
I don't know anyone who's been struck by lightning -- therefore electricity is not dangerous.

Your question is silly and ignores the context.

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Post your links to back it up and not from a fake news site

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Even the fake news site admitted it had no idea whether this hockey player had even had the vaccine. Apparently that doesn't stop vaccine opponents from jumping to wild and unsupportable conclusions.

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Gw you're sounding more and more like Anderson Cooper every day.

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Auto-immune diseasesGuillain-Barré Syndrome197Thrombocytopenia (low blood platelets)69Subtotal166Cardiovascular systemCardiac arrest32Cardiac failure32Myocardial infarction (heart attack)77Myocarditis1/Pericarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle and lining around the heart)970Subtotal1,111Circulatory systemCerebral venous (sinus) thrombosis15Cerebral thrombosis9Cutaneous vasculitis25Deep vein thrombosis218Embolism13Haemorrhage (bleeding)49Pulmonary embolism321Thrombosis (blood clot)214Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome1(blood clot with low platelets)83Subtotal947Hepato-gastrointestinal and renal systemAcute kidney injury37Glomerulonephritis (kidney inflammation) and nephrotic syndrome (kidney disorder)5Liver injury25Subtotal67Nerves and central nervous systemBell's Palsy1/facial paralysis594Cerebrovascular accident (stroke)155Transverse myelitis (inflammation of spinal cord)32Subtotal781Other systemAnaphylaxis2487COVID-193144Multisystem inflammatory syndrome23Subtotal634Pregnancy outcomesFetal growth restriction5Spontaneous abortion38Subtotal43Respiratory systemAcute respiratory distress syndrome3Subtotal3Skin and mucous membrane, bone and joints systemChilblains13Erythema multiforme (immune skin reaction)28Subtotal41All AESI categoriesTotal3,793




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Right from the government . My last post is also in here I guess those are the system and disease it's giving people.

More than expected side effects under in people under 40.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/

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What's a "real news" site in your opinion? CBC?

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It's called silenced healthcare through contractual agreement. Not hard to figure out
https://youtu.be/nYIJxoh7gqw
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From a teacher with a science degree. She regrets sacrificing her 14 yo child on the altar of big pharma:

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A podcast that discusses vaccine injuries and deaths:
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/53-th...ies--88811387/

List of young athletes collapsing in 2021 from heart issues:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...tm_name=iossmf

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My conclusion is neither wild nor unsupportable.

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Perhaps you should actually learn to do your own research for a change instead of just watching CBC and CNN

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From a teacher with a science degree. She regrets sacrificing her 14 yo child on the altar of big pharma:

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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/53-th...ies--88811387/

List of young athletes collapsing in 2021 from heart issues:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...tm_name=iossmf

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In the Reddit link not all are the from the vaccine. I went through them and one of the hockey players is out for the season because of covid itself. Or at least getting myocarditis from covid.



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Do you not realize or are not willing to admit that by far most cases of covid have mild or even no symptoms at all, you just don't hear about that from the fear mongering media. You also seem to think that the common flu as you call it is nothing to worry about when in fact it kills many people yearly including young children. For instance in the US in 2017/2018 it caused 710,000 hospitalizations and 52,000 deaths. No need to worry though it's just the flu right, not a deadly disease? So I guess in your twisted mind anyone who doesn't get the flu shot each year is also a hypocrite and anti vaxxer?

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Smitty ... you know what irritates me a bit?

I discuss one point ... that I know people who have died from COVID, or have gotten seriously sick ... so when someone says it's just the sniffles ... frankly I laugh at that nonsense.

But here's the part that irritates me ... people put words in my mouth, even become very, very creative with interpretations ... and also make assortations about my opinions because of what I do not say. Frankly, I'd have to write a 10 page response to give you my full opinion on every aspect of the matter ... but here, you take one point I make ... that I think taking the vaccine is a choice ... and then somehow, surprisingly conclude that I'm not aware of the statistics ... and that there are many mild cases of covid too.

You see, in the end, what I've picked up is that MikePal, and many others ... just want to be on the other side of the argument ... it's not about having a discussion, but about trying to win an argument ... like this is some kind of game ... and so much is twisted or even totally twisted, exaggerated and made up ... just to keep up that argument.

So, I'm gonna ask you ... where did I say I didn't acknowledge there are many cases of mild to non-symptomatic COVID cases? Where did I say we don't need to worry about the common flu?? WHY are you making this stuff up?? These points are not at all my opinion ... and you just made that stuff up.

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So yet again you resort to name calling me anti-vaxxer? I thought you claimed to have lots of time for those who religiously be healthy.
I guess living a healthier lifestyle than 90% of the population makes me anti-vaxxer? It's called I don't care to put an untested foreign substance in my body considering I've already had covid and wow I'm not dead or suffer from any ill effects. As a matter of fact I have more risk of injury or death from taking an experimental drug than covid itself.
Funny thing is people like yourself had no problem telling us people like me not staying home when covid hit were part of the problem. Yes I worked through it all, not much of a choice.Then the people not wearing masks are the problem. Now you seem to like to call people anti-vaxxers. Go right ahead if that's what makes you feel good, all the power to you.
Sensitive yes I've been crying all day....please give me a break...lol

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Get over yourself ... you are against taking the vaccine for whatever reason ... you are an anti-vaxxer.
Anti means against ... stop playing with words ...

You guys point your fingers and cry about snowflakes ... I have to say, the way you are acting, sensitive over
a word anti-vaxxer, which is by the way being officially recognized is acting like a snowflake.

I'm really shaking my head here at you guys taking offence being called anti-vaxxers ... there's no negative connotation
to the word ... it literally means "against vaccine" or "opposed to vaccine" ... which is what you are.

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Well, I'm with you on this one.

That's what I keep saying ... the anti-vaxxers think their news is the truth ... don't realize they are also listening to lots of BS.

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What's a "real news" site in your opinion? CBC?

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There is NO such thing as a real news site anymore. Doesn't matter what side you are on.
Too much political interference, power at play, purpose/strategy, opinion ...

Unbias news is DEAD.

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You see, in the end, what I've picked up is that MikePal, and many others ... just want to be on the other side of the argument ... it's not about having a discussion, but about trying to win an argument ...

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The fact that you just posted 4 rebuttals to other people's comments about your posts is an indication that it might be you that is the problem with being able to communicate and have a civil discussion.

Every time you respond, you say we are making things up and creatively twisting your words. ...no we're not. It's you. You're your own worst enemy. Ranting and raving that people are picking apart your posts, is not having a discussion, it's just being petulant.

Civility goes a long way to getting along in the sandbox....and you still haven't grasped that yet.

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Get over yourself ... you are against taking the vaccine for whatever reason ... you are an anti-vaxxer.
Anti means against ... stop playing with words ...

You guys point your fingers and cry about snowflakes ... I have to say, the way you are acting, sensitive over
a word anti-vaxxer, which is by the way being officially recognized is acting like a snowflake.

I'm really shaking my head here at you guys taking offence being called anti-vaxxers ... there's no negative connotation
to the word ... it literally means "against vaccine" or "opposed to vaccine" ... which is what you are.

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Wrong. I'm anti-drug trial guinea pig. Drug trial guinea pig is exactly what you are. This is a large scale experiment nothing more. Animal tests were never completed because they all died. Mrna has never been approved for human use, only under emergency use authorizations.
Why not get over your sanctimonious attitude put your mask on stay home and continue to live in fear. I've already had covid and don't need a experimental drugs, masks or hideout at home to feel safe
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Wrong. I'm anti-drug trial guinea pig.

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Exactly...and mandating is a crime !!

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