The Covid Vaccine Side Effects Thread

[smitty55]

Wait, there's COVID-19 vaccine (developed and issued in 2020) injury data going back to 2014????

Obviously not lol, it's just to give a reference compared to the last two years, smh

[impact]

how is it fair that she loses her ability to get an operation to remove a stage 2 or 3 growth,
because unvaccinated are occupying almost all the ICU capacity.

That is the dilemma we face.

That is not a dilemma we face. Who told you that story? MSM?
Cancer centres are stand alone units. Inform yourself.

[MikePal]

I don't think we should base this on the assumption that the only way people get cancer is by smoking, or have liver/heart disease because of drinking.

I didn't...you drew that conclusion. I provided a reasonable reply to your continued assertion that unvaccinated covid patients shouldn't be occupying beds in the ICU. .."how is that fair" ?

Of course, there are people who are sick in the ICU with a raft of ailments, including unvaccinated covid patients who have comorbidity issues like cancer. We also have fully vaccinated people, who also have comorbidity issues, who are now in the ICU with covid (about 30% of ICU patients yesterday) ).

But, as I stated earlier on other threads,
if ICU is full up on non-vaccinated, and then someone that has cancer or needs heart surgery cannot be treated ... how is that fair

Being sanctimonious doesn't give you the right to decide who is entitled to a bed in the ICU, whether you think it's fair or not.

[MarkB]

Obviously not lol, it's just to give a reference compared to the last two years, smh

Actually I was being serious with that question ... is that proof they were testing the vaccine PRIOR to COVID even hitting the streets??

[MarkB]

That is not a dilemma we face. Who told you that story? MSM?
Cancer centres are stand alone units. Inform yourself.

Are you aware that last year ... operations (which are done in the same hospitals as COVID ICU centers) were deferred due to capacity limitations?
There were numerous cancellations ... if you look out west now, like in Alberta ... there's numerous news articles of people complaining that critical operations
are being cancelled or deferred.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/a-lot-of-...ures-1.5579192

If you have to have a major surgery like to remove part of your colon due to cancer ... you will need ICU. If ICU is inundated with COVID patients, will they not
have to cancel the surgery due to lack of capacity? I don't know what you are referring to when you say there are stand alone cancer centres ... operations are still
done at the hospital, and ICU is ICU.

[impact]

Actually I was being serious with that question ... is that proof they were testing the vaccine PRIOR to COVID even hitting the streets??

It is a new database with a catch all filter they use.
It is not specific to covid-19 vaccines and says so on the front page disclaimer.

It does however clearly show that we have not had any problems with vaccines up until mRNA showed up.
This is the important in your face reality that needs to be absorbed.

[MarkB]

I didn't...you drew that conclusion. I provided a reasonable reply to your continued assertion that unvaccinated covid patients shouldn't be occupying beds in the ICU. .."how is that fair" ?

Mike, respectfully ... this is in fact what you said ... you zeroed in on the cancer patient being a smoker or drinker ... I never brought that up, you did.

"So you're saying that you think a person who voluntarily smoked 2 packs a day or drank a 40 oz of liquor a week for most of their lives which created their present health conditions, like cancer and heart failure, should have priority access to an ICU bed"

[MarkB]

It is a new database with a catch all filter they use.
It is not specific to covid-19 vaccines and says so on the front page disclaimer.

It does however clearly show that we have not had any problems with vaccines up until mRNA showed up.
This is the important in your face reality that needs to be absorbed.

OK, please clarify, what exactly were the keyword's searched for? All vacccines?? If that's the case, only 1 problem from all vaccines in all of 2014 ... I don't think so.
Many allergic reactions to the flu vaccine alone. This must have been a COVID-19 vaccine search alone.

[impact]

Are you aware that last year ... operations (which are done in the same hospitals as COVID ICU centers) were deferred due to capacity limitations?
There were numerous cancellations ... if you look out west now, like in Alberta ... there's numerous news articles of people complaining that critical operations
are being cancelled or deferred.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/a-lot-of-...ures-1.5579192

If you have to have a major surgery like to remove part of your colon due to cancer ... you will need ICU. If ICU is inundated with COVID patients, will they not
have to cancel the surgery due to lack of capacity? I don't know what you are referring to when you say there are stand alone cancer centres ... operations are still
done at the hospital, and ICU is ICU.

I am well aware of how things work in hospitals more so than you do.
Your source of information is MSM. Me? On site.

My neighbour is an orthopedic surgeon. Elective surgeries were postponed but back to normal with a backlog.

You are simply fear mongering.

[MarkB]

Guys ... I'm not here to argue with you ... I'm trying to have constructive debate. FOR SURE ... I see both side so stuck hard to their version of the story, that they fail to
look at the data and facts in an unbias nature. If data is presented that doesn't suit one's story (either side, vaxxed or non-vaxxed) it's just dismissed as false data.
BOTH sides have a problem ... and I believe the truth lies in between.