I Get a Kick Out of This - Follow up

Was just looking at JoePa's "I get a kick out of this" thread and see it is locked for now. No problem, if those are the rules of the forum or decisions of the mods so be it.

Something that is important to note.

Joe brought up a completely valid point and instead of any actual arguments from the more left leaning types to define/defend their position, they just immediately launch into character assault. This is a typical leftist debate tactic so par for the course I suppose, but the onus should be on them to articulate a coherent counter argument.

The main objection of the original post (and the subtext of the thread) is very simple: trans people competing against others in sports a bad thing, and we have gone too far down the wrong path. If some believe it is in fact a sign of a progressive and healthy society, they should state why.

I'm sure most sensible folks will agree that Brutus the big bearded weight lifter dominating the women's category is not fair to the women who've trained hard for years to achieve their dream...only to be severely defeated by a male. Or female UFC fighters getting their heads smashed in by men who believe themselves to be women. Our the latest example with the trans swimmer Lia Thomas breaking women's swimming records. The sting of losing is worsened by playing a rigged game, and the twist of the knife that follows the loser, who has to then praise their competitor as stunning and brave while being complicit in a lie.

It's pretty cruel how progressives sacrifice objective truth on the hollow alter of 'acceptance' or 'tolerance'. Taken to ridiculous excess, these things are no longer virtues. Especially when they harm women or get them killed.

This should not be a controversial or verboten topic in any sense. If we can't discuss basic truths like these, what hope to we have as a society to preserve anything of value? Not least of which being common sense and decency. And if the thread eventually gets deleted or remains locked, that further proves the point: that these people are in no way 'oppressed' when private companies, academia, big tech and big gov all rush to their aid and silence those who dare stray from narrative.

My 2 cents.

As if you have never engaged in character assault. Lol your one of the top.

To all those pushing transgender rights, hope you feel proud sending grown men dressed like women into female restrooms , change/shower rooms, with your minor aged daughters...

I do not agree with Transgender men/boys or whatever they call themselves being allowed into Women's washrooms

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

To all those pushing transgender rights, hope you feel proud sending grown men dressed like women into female restrooms , change/shower rooms, with your minor aged daughters...

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

To all those pushing transgender rights, hope you feel proud sending grown men dressed like women into female restrooms , change/shower rooms, with your minor aged daughters...

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So you are OK with a Lesbian checking out your minor aged daughters? Thats the problem with prejudice based on fear. What lies in the heart and mind of people cannot be judge on their outward appearance but how they carry themselves.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

So you are OK with a Lesbian checking out your minor aged daughters? Thats the problem with prejudice based on fear. What lies in the heart and mind of people cannot be judge on their outward appearance but how they carry themselves.

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I'm OK with females using female facilities and male using male facilities. If you think it's OK for grown men to use female facilities based on how they dress that day, well IMHO you are part of the problem not the solution
It's not at all based on fear and prejudice. Just the same men dressed like women competing in female sports is about as unfair and pathetic as it gets.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I do not agree with Transgender men/boys or whatever they call themselves being allowed into Women's washrooms

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Sadly people pushing an advocating for transgender rights don't consider the problems they're creating.
A friend canceled his teenage daughters gym membership when as member he was informed in writing his gym now allows members who identify as female use female facilities.

Just to be fair and consistent-it is maybe time to close this thread, following the same reasoning ,as for the previous "parent" thread as well.

Sorry guys-nothing against the thread or anyone one's post ,but if there "was" ever a reason to close the parent thread, this one is no different.
It is already :
2. Controversial, religious or political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative will be removed without warning.

Sadly people not advocating for transgender rights don't consider the problems they're perpetuating.
As a Male I know how I'd feel if I had to use facilities with a bunch of females.
I can empathize with Transgendered forced to use facilities not congruent with the own identity.
If that offends you that's a you problem not a society problem.

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Originally Posted by gbk

Just to be fair and consistent-it is maybe time to close this thread, following the same reasoning ,as for the previous "parent" thread as well.

Sorry guys-nothing against the thread or anyone one's post ,but if there "was" ever a reason to close the parent thread, this one is no different.
It is already :
2. Controversial, religious or political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative will be removed without warning.

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Why stop open discussion in the Off topic section of forum? Controversy hits most threads on forum, religion has not even been mentioned. Why shutdown a thread just because one party cant agree on the subject?...

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Originally Posted by gbk

Just to be fair and consistent-it is maybe time to close this thread, following the same reasoning ,as for the previous "parent" thread as well.

Sorry guys-nothing against the thread or anyone one's post ,but if there "was" ever a reason to close the parent thread, this one is no different.
It is already :
2. Controversial, religious or political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative will be removed without warning.

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The parent thread was closed primarily as a result of Hate speech being promoted under the guise of freefom of speech. As a result Admin can review content and act accordingly.
So far this thread is debating transgender rights......though may be controversial as long as it remains civil will remain open

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Sadly people not advocating for transgender rights don't consider the problems they're perpetuating.
As a Male I know how I'd feel if I had to use facilities with a bunch of females.
I can empathize with Transgendered forced to use facilities not congruent with the own identity.
If that offends you that's a you problem not a society problem.

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Can you empathize with parents of a minor female child telling their parents there was a man in the shower with them at the gym, public sports facilities?

Yes that does offend me as a parent knowing any man can dress like a female and put my daughter in these situations using female facilities.
I will never advocate for those rights or for any boy/man to compete in the same sport against my daughter. Totally wrong IMO.
Mental illness is the issue and it should be treated by professional care. Giving them rights that is unfair to others rights and privacy is not a solution imo.

Gender idenity is not a mental illness. Transphobia is, for which help is available for those that still suffer from it.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Gender idenity is not a mental illness. Transphobia is, for which help is available for those that still suffer from it.

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Men using female facilities has nothing to do with transphobia

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Gender idenity is not a mental illness. Transphobia is, for which help is available for those that still suffer from it.

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I would disagree. It's called gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder. There are others forms of dissociative identity disorders like this, such as schizophrenia, or body integrity identity disorder, where the subject feels disconnected from certain body parts and will often try to mutilate or amputate that body part.

What do we do in these cases? We don't humour and patronize the schizophrenic by agreeing that "yes, George, the toaster IS talking to you!"
We don't allow victims of BIID to mutilate and harm themselves.

"Transphobia" is another silly buzzword and a dishonest way to frame the discussion.

Science, biology, and common sense all reinforce my points. There have been countless examples of young people 'transitioning' only to regret it later. The suicide rate among the trans community is extremely high, even after "fully" transitioning. And it's not because people are "transphobic". It's because you can't actually change your sex, no matter how much you hack away at your body and take a daily boatload of hormones.

That parents give their young children hormone blockers and cause irreparable harm to them is beyond criminal.

Since we're on the subject of completely abandoning objective standards, what's the difference with someone claiming they are the opposite sex (they don't actually have to do any work to change their appearance, as that is ironically viewed as "transphobic" by your own ideological comrades...what does a "woman" look like, anyway? How dare you box us in, they say) and someone claiming they are innocent of a crime they just committed, or someone claiming they are wearing a mask when they aren't, or that they identify as vaccinated? It's the exact same thing according to bill C-16, where the individuals objective whim is the only determining factor. How can they be denied entry into a building that requires proof of vaccination if they aren't denied entry into the ladies room?

I can understand if you are generally a more sympathetic or agreeable person, which if you are liberal you likely are. Nothing wrong with that. But I'm not sure you see the full impact of these wacky laws, policies and thoughts which are wreaking havoc on our culture.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Men using female facilities has nothing to do with transphobia

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We'll all be busy arguing over whether someone with male genitalia can win "woman of the year" award or why pedos are just misunderstood while China is advancing like crazy. A completely ridiculous break down of society.

Exactly, and that was Joe’s point.

While other countries are advancing, North America is mired in apologies and idiotic discussions.

Maybe they should be looking at non-communal bathrooms... One bathroom with its own door and lock. Eliminating communal bathrooms should solve that problem.... Never did like the idea of peeing in a troth anyway (Maple leaf gardens)...
That solves the bathroom issue now onto the sports issue....
With everyone wanting equal right, lets get rid of male and female events altogether. Instead, make events based on age, weight and maybe one or two more criteria but lets eliminate the gender portion and its all good.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Why stop open discussion in the Off topic section of forum? Controversy hits most threads on forum, religion has not even been mentioned. Why shutdown a thread just because one party cant agree on the subject?...

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The point is-even the parent thread should not be closed..........it also did not violate any elements of the clause #2

Sorry-maybe it did,at least it is deemed so.
Not much else in the thread was a trigger for the "cause"was "worse"then the start of the thread........to close the thread ,!

Why then (IF IT DID violate "any"rule)wait 3 days to close it off?
Wrong is wrong from the get go.
3 days is a very long time.

Sorry-reaction seems else then upholding community rules.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Joe brought up a completely valid point and instead of any actual arguments from the more left leaning types to define/defend their position, they just immediately launch into character assault. This is a typical leftist debate tactic so par for the course I suppose, but the onus should be on them to articulate a coherent counter argument.

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The ball got rolling in that thread when the Joe proclaimed "he gets a kick" out of the transgendered competing in women's sports then doubled down saying gays are "sissies," transgendered are "off shoots" and that he'd be uncomfortable if his daughter wanted to marry a black man.

If you espouse bigoted views don't be too shocked if you get called out.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The ball got rolling in that thread when the Joe proclaimed "he gets a kick" out of the transgendered competing in women's sports then doubled down saying gays are "sissies," transgendered are "off shoots" and that he'd be uncomfortable if his daughter wanted to marry a black man.

If you espouse bigoted views don't be too shocked if you get called out.

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Well if Joe got the ball rolling I'll kick the ball again to keep it rolling. I too would get a laugh out of some dude with a mustache and adams apple running down the track and winning while competing against a full field of biological women. My isn't that something to be proud of being physically bigger and stronger biologically and being proud of your feat all well knowing you had the advantage from the get go. Also if Joe would be uncomfortable if his daughter did marry someone from a different race that is his FREE choice just as it was his daughter FREE choice to marry someone of a different race as we are still supposed to be free to choose aren't we. Works both ways just like lab and a poodle you get a labradoodle but I have yet seen a pickerel mate with a carp. Cheers.

" Also if Joe would be uncomfortable if his daughter did marry someone from a different race that is his FREE choice just as it was his daughter FREE choice to marry someone of a different race as we are still supposed to be free to choose aren't we"

Well surprisingly I can agree with that and you can agree in turn that in all probability Joe might loose his daughter's friendship and they become estranged over this marriage. Its happened plenty of times in the past one party not being able to overcome their bias or feel they have to exert their will on another person. So Joe has the freedom to make that decision but has to live with the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

We'll all be busy arguing over whether someone with male genitalia can win "woman of the year" award or why pedos are just misunderstood while China is advancing like crazy. A completely ridiculous break down of society.

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Well I agree with you that China is a clear and present danger of a much higher priority, maybe that should have been the subject of a new thread for you?

Well to put all you guys a ease - my daughter married a real nice guy who is white and of the same religion and after many years of marriage and 3 kids they are and have been very happy - now lets talk about the core issue - if I as a free man have an opinion I have every right to express it - so when I say that I would not like to see my daughter marry a person of a different race that is my opinion - now if you think that I shouldn't feel that way - that's your opinion - why should my opinion be put down in favor of yours - there is a great danger in all of this - when a society starts to limit discussion and people are no longer able to express their opinion without being called bigots, racists .etc than we are on the path of losing one of the most important freedoms -

Many of you may be too young to know how life was back in the 40s and 50s - but when one considers what the liberal progressives have done - one can see the destruction of society - here are a few examples -

Divorce - back then it was rare for any one to get divorced - I personally did not know anyone who was divorced - only people in Hollywood did that - now a little over 50% of marriages end up in divorce with everyone suffering especially if there are kids involved - kids are often handed back and forth like a sack of potatoes

Drugs - no one that I knew took drugs - they were not even around - overdoses didn't occur and there was no need to spend million of dollars fighting the drug war - and millions of lives were not destroyed

Abortions - these were outlawed and the only ones that occurred were illegally done - unfortunately this was sad situation but the point is that today millions of babies are done away each year in clinics - many on the verge of being born - and we have the nerve to look at the Nazi death camps with horror -

Crime - back in those days people knew that the police would be there to protect them - shop and store owners knew that the police would protect their establishments for looting and smash and grab occurrences - not so today - mobs steal with impunity while the cops watch - because of liberal politicians - mobs are taking over

Basic rights - millions have fought and died so that we can live as freedom men - able to make choices that we feel are appropriate - today the liberal progressives are trying their best to take these freedoms away from the people - passing laws that make government the ultimate decision maker - required vaccines, what is taught in school, when you can assemble, .etc

Morality - today everything goes - things that were considered wrong and immoral and shameful are part of the normal life style - when you look at the garbage in movies and on TV you wonder what the heck is going on - just about any sexual behavior is considered ok - and you have so many well known people crawling in this slime

Character - there was a time when young boys had a pocket knife in their pocket and it was considered normal - when you could leave the keys in your car that was parked out on the street - when young girls could take a walk in the evening without worry if it is safe - when parents could send their kids to school without fear of them being shot - when the teachers taught the basics of education and not a bunch of liberal social issues which often contradicted the wishes of the parents - when armed cops were not needed in the schools -

I could go on and on - sure there were things that needed to be corrected in those days but these were little in comparison to what has happened - so to all those who push the liberal progressive agenda - you really screwed things up - as a result our western civilization is dying and it won't be long when people look back and wonder what happened - the only hope is that people wise up and they get rid of the liberal progressive leaders and put strong, moral leaders with good character in positions of influence - maybe it's already too late

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well I agree with you that China is a clear and present danger of a much higher priority, maybe that should have been the subject of a new thread for you?

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Cheap sarcasm and another complete avoidance. You can do better.

If anyone cares to make an actual argument please go ahead. Otherwise the points raised in the original thread, as well as this one, remain unchallenged and undefeated.

Nothing further to add on the topic.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Many of you may be too young to know how life was back in the 40s and 50s - but when one considers what the liberal progressives have done - one can see the destruction of society -

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A big thing I remember Joe, was almost every kid had a 'stay at home' Mom back then. We came home from school and Mom was there to talk about what ever happened that day and have a nice home cooked meal ready for supper. A man could afford to buy a house and car on a single income.

You're right, progressive women movements tore the Mom out of the house and put her into the workforce.

Everything changed after that.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Well to put all you guys a ease - my daughter married a real nice guy who is white and of the same religion and after many years of marriage and 3 kids they are and have been very happy - now lets talk about the core issue - if I as a free man have an opinion I have every right to express it - so when I say that I would not like to see my daughter marry a person of a different race that is my opinion - now if you think that I shouldn't feel that way - that's your opinion - why should my opinion be put down in favor of yours - there is a great danger in all of this - when a society starts to limit discussion and people are no longer able to express their opinion without being called bigots, racists .etc than we are on the path of losing one of the most important freedoms -

Many of you may be too young to know how life was back in the 40s and 50s - but when one considers what the liberal progressives have done - one can see the destruction of society - here are a few examples -

Divorce - back then it was rare for any one to get divorced - I personally did not know anyone who was divorced - only people in Hollywood did that - now a little over 50% of marriages end up in divorce with everyone suffering especially if there are kids involved - kids are often handed back and forth like a sack of potatoes

Drugs - no one that I knew took drugs - they were not even around - overdoses didn't occur and there was no need to spend million of dollars fighting the drug war - and millions of lives were not destroyed

Abortions - these were outlawed and the only ones that occurred were illegally done - unfortunately this was sad situation but the point is that today millions of babies are done away each year in clinics - many on the verge of being born - and we have the nerve to look at the Nazi death camps with horror -

Crime - back in those days people knew that the police would be there to protect them - shop and store owners knew that the police would protect their establishments for looting and smash and grab occurrences - not so today - mobs steal with impunity while the cops watch - because of liberal politicians - mobs are taking over

Basic rights - millions have fought and died so that we can live as freedom men - able to make choices that we feel are appropriate - today the liberal progressives are trying their best to take these freedoms away from the people - passing laws that make government the ultimate decision maker - required vaccines, what is taught in school, when you can assemble, .etc

Morality - today everything goes - things that were considered wrong and immoral and shameful are part of the normal life style - when you look at the garbage in movies and on TV you wonder what the heck is going on - just about any sexual behavior is considered ok - and you have so many well known people crawling in this slime

Character - there was a time when young boys had a pocket knife in their pocket and it was considered normal - when you could leave the keys in your car that was parked out on the street - when young girls could take a walk in the evening without worry if it is safe - when parents could send their kids to school without fear of them being shot - when the teachers taught the basics of education and not a bunch of liberal social issues which often contradicted the wishes of the parents - when armed cops were not needed in the schools -

I could go on and on - sure there were things that needed to be corrected in those days but these were little in comparison to what has happened - so to all those who push the liberal progressive agenda - you really screwed things up - as a result our western civilization is dying and it won't be long when people look back and wonder what happened - the only hope is that people wise up and they get rid of the liberal progressive leaders and put strong, moral leaders with good character in positions of influence - maybe it's already too late

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Maybe Joe you will get a kick out of this little trivia.


United States
Following Emancipation, Black people were theoretically equal before the law, including theoretical suffrage for Black women from 1920. However, in reality, most Black men and women were effectively barred from voting from around 1870 until the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

So Joe you lived for most of your life in a supposed great democracy where a fifth of the population was denied the right to vote in one way or another. No wonder you are nostalgic for a return to the old days.

But those days are gone and now we have half your country folks now trying to suppress the vote in many States a tried and true old technique. But it aint gonna work any longer, times up Joe.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Cheap sarcasm and another complete avoidance. You can do better.

If anyone cares to make an actual argument please go ahead. Otherwise the points raised in the original thread, as well as this one, remain unchallenged and undefeated.

Nothing further to add on the topic.

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Your the one who brought up China not me, if its a big problem why are you festering on the initial post which to be honest does not resonate with much of the population either way. If you feel your opinion is unchallenged and undefeated on this topic good for you, you know what they say about opinion's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOSQ2nUUslY

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Well to put all you guys a ease - my daughter married a real nice guy who is white and of the same religion and after many years of marriage and 3 kids they are and have been very happy - now lets talk about the core issue - if I as a free man have an opinion I have every right to express it - so when I say that I would not like to see my daughter marry a person of a different race that is my opinion - now if you think that I shouldn't feel that way - that's your opinion - why should my opinion be put down in favor of yours - there is a great danger in all of this - when a society starts to limit discussion and people are no longer able to express their opinion without being called bigots, racists .etc than we are on the path of losing one of the most important freedoms -

Many of you may be too young to know how life was back in the 40s and 50s - but when one considers what the liberal progressives have done - one can see the destruction of society - here are a few examples -

Divorce - back then it was rare for any one to get divorced - I personally did not know anyone who was divorced - only people in Hollywood did that - now a little over 50% of marriages end up in divorce with everyone suffering especially if there are kids involved - kids are often handed back and forth like a sack of potatoes

Drugs - no one that I knew took drugs - they were not even around - overdoses didn't occur and there was no need to spend million of dollars fighting the drug war - and millions of lives were not destroyed

Abortions - these were outlawed and the only ones that occurred were illegally done - unfortunately this was sad situation but the point is that today millions of babies are done away each year in clinics - many on the verge of being born - and we have the nerve to look at the Nazi death camps with horror -

Crime - back in those days people knew that the police would be there to protect them - shop and store owners knew that the police would protect their establishments for looting and smash and grab occurrences - not so today - mobs steal with impunity while the cops watch - because of liberal politicians - mobs are taking over

Basic rights - millions have fought and died so that we can live as freedom men - able to make choices that we feel are appropriate - today the liberal progressives are trying their best to take these freedoms away from the people - passing laws that make government the ultimate decision maker - required vaccines, what is taught in school, when you can assemble, .etc

Morality - today everything goes - things that were considered wrong and immoral and shameful are part of the normal life style - when you look at the garbage in movies and on TV you wonder what the heck is going on - just about any sexual behavior is considered ok - and you have so many well known people crawling in this slime

Character - there was a time when young boys had a pocket knife in their pocket and it was considered normal - when you could leave the keys in your car that was parked out on the street - when young girls could take a walk in the evening without worry if it is safe - when parents could send their kids to school without fear of them being shot - when the teachers taught the basics of education and not a bunch of liberal social issues which often contradicted the wishes of the parents - when armed cops were not needed in the schools -

I could go on and on - sure there were things that needed to be corrected in those days but these were little in comparison to what has happened - so to all those who push the liberal progressive agenda - you really screwed things up - as a result our western civilization is dying and it won't be long when people look back and wonder what happened - the only hope is that people wise up and they get rid of the liberal progressive leaders and put strong, moral leaders with good character in positions of influence - maybe it's already too late

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Once again my man Joe mostly nails it. True, society wasn’t perfect and there were some that fell through the cracks, but mostly it was a simpler time and a better time. It’s gone.

"When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers" - Socrates

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Originally Posted by 410001661

"When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers" - Socrates

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To qualify as "slander" the statement must be false. Characterizing someone who thinks gays are "sissies," transgendered are "off shoots" and would be unhappy about his daughter marrying outside her race as a bigot is an accurate and defensible statement.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

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Essential Meaning of bigot
disapproving : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person
especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

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Gilroy - I got a question for you - during the time blacks had to sit in the back of the bus in some southern states and had a hard time to vote - what party was in complete control in those southern states - I'll give you a hint - it begins with a D -

We have a beautiful day today - bright sun - 45 degrees - no wind - good day to get some firewood - so Gilroy I'm signing off -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Gilroy - I got a question for you - during the time blacks had to sit in the back of the bus in some southern states and had a hard time to vote - what party was in complete control in those southern states - I'll give you a hint - it begins with a D -

We have a beautiful day today - bright sun - 45 degrees - no wind - good day to get some firewood - so Gilroy I'm signing off -

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You have a good day Joe, the D,s will sort out your country and get it back to a democracy after the attempted hijacking by Republican mobs and rogue President. The blacks and other minorities know full well who held them back and are voting accordingly.

Think this thread is starting to loose it's civility going to close it. FYI any new thread rehashing this content will be deleted.