It became illegal to hunt wild pigs in Ontario as of Jan. 1, 2022 after a regulatory amendment under the Invasive Species Act of 2015.
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It became illegal to hunt wild pigs in Ontario as of Jan. 1, 2022 after a regulatory amendment under the Invasive Species Act of 2015.
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This is a rather unfortunate announcement.
But at least a shred of common sense remains:
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Landowners (or agents acting on their behalf) can still protect their property from damage caused by wild pigs, including for the purpose of maintaining biosecurity. A person who captures or kills a pig for protection of property, however, must immediately notify the ministry and provide relevant information.
I just hope the MNR will trap and remove the wild pigs that they become aware of, instead of just throwing their hands up and saying sorry no budget to do this..
As feral and wild boar become more and more prevalent over the coming years,trapping will become overwhelmed as is being seen,now,in western New York state where hunting except for property protection was banned 5 years ago. The net result will be exactly as you describe here in this province. It will come down to lack of manpower and economics......as usual.
They don't even have the manpower to deal with nuisance bears now...
I really can't see wild hogs get out of hand in Ontario in areas where they can be hunted.
That's what's going to be a problem,though,Werner. In Ontario,now,there's no place where they can be hunted.Having said that,I do think there'll be a whole lot of SSS going on. Call the MNR and report them is laughable. That should tell everyone right there that they know there'll be no manpower to enforce it.
Guaranteed every farmer I know will shoot them on sight the second they see crop damage.
Then when MNR cracks down on people hunting them but do nothing else, The poison traps will come out.
Farmers know how hard it is to get compensation for crop damage now as it is. Imagine what it will be like when feral pigs are everywhere and everyone experiences it.
Be lots of pigs laying in the bush when SSS is the only option left.
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Bury the carcass, then eat the meat. Waste not want not....
I don't know, this almost seems as the MNR is planning on future pig tag sales. You can have as many as you like per year.... at $43 a pop.
I can't make the math work out on there being more pigs left if you kill them . It's pretty hard to fathom that 20 pigs is going to make more babies in a year than 50.
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Wild pigs running amok in Saskatchewan: researcher
'We are well on track to have more wild pigs than people here in Saskatchewan': Ryan Brook
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...ewan-1.6209851
Sows can produce two litters each year with up to 12 piglets per litter, further adding to the pig population problem.
4 pigs, 1 m- 3 f ... 2 litters of 12 ... ah, make it 8 instead 3 * 8 * 2 = 48 plus the original 4 = 52
Ontario is going to have a pig disaster withing a decade, not shooting them is stupid, probably some anti hunting PETA idiocy. Mandatory reporting of taking one and those with it and no limit is the way to atleast slow the spread.
I like PETA alternative ... People Eating Tasty Animals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQJSk_3QThE
"Why should you care? If you love to hunt and manage whitetails, you cannot also love feral hogs. They directly compete with deer for food like acorns and soft mast. Research even shows that deer avoid hogs, so it’s not even a competition: Hogs control the best food sources, and deer get the table scraps later. Hogs uproot food plots, sometimes raiding them for the seeds you just planted. They dig craters that are large enough to damage farm equipment. Hogs ruin forest roads, steal bait intended to attract deer to your trail-cameras, raid turkey nests, and generally destroy the deer habitat you’ve worked to build. They even foul the water in small ponds and wetlands, creating the kind of low-quality mudhole that is ideal breeding habitat for the flying gnats that spread the EHD virus among deer."
https://www.deerassociation.com/fera...can-help-stop/
The silly law is totally moot imo. Almost 100% of the piggy invasion will occur in the agricultural south, which is all privately owned. Any pig on someone's property is deemed a wild piggy. Will be totally legal to act as an agent for any landowner to hunt as much as you want. Time to buy a Bradley smoker instead of paying Mr. Schneider $8 per 350 grams at Sobey's. Think of all the fun that will come.
Thank you the information Bushwhacker. Like bears I have little interest in hunting wild pigs, but it's nice to know if I have an encounter with the same on my property I have some wiggle room to legally drop them.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
With some limitations and requirements we've always been able to shoot animals to protect property. As the article notes if you shoot a wild pig you are required to report it to the MNR. What happens after you report it isn't known at this point. Although as suggested by some posters here shooting it, not reporting and eating it would appear to be an illegal act.
Exactly. And in 10 years we will have an open season if they manage to take hold in any number. Typical MNR approach. First give us a chance to screw it up, then we’ll open the gates! Anyway, it’s pretty much irrelevant. Farmers will do what farmers will do. The MNR won’t be able to enforce their own mandates, and guys who want to eat pork will do so. Let’s be honest, there will be extremely limited enforcement. We are our own gamewardens here. While CO’s do good work, they just don’t have an appreciable enough presence to keep the dishonest from being dishonest. I keep things legal because that’s just the person I am. Most guys will be no different!
Yep.
"Landowners (or agents acting on their behalf) can still protect their property from damage caused by wild pigs, including for the purpose of maintaining biosecurity. A person who captures or kills a pig for protection of property, however, must immediately notify the ministry and provide relevant information."
It's like you react before reading...:)
Pork and even chicken farms have perimeters where entry is not allowed by unauthorized persons, due to bio security. Basically to keep disease and other pathogens from entering the farm and infecting the animals. Wild hogs are notorious for carrying disease that negatively impact swine operations. We hunt coyotes around similarly posted pork and chicken operations.
I think they made it illegal to hunt them because MNR was concerned hunters would play a role in encouraging pig populations. If they aren't a game species then there's no incentive to ignore them or introduce them into new areas.
If you have mice in your house or squirrels in the attic, you don't stand there studying them.
Your neighbor has told you they are bad news so you take immediate action to eliminate the problem.
Same with all nuisance wildlife. This applies in all cases. Do not let them establish a foot hold and hunters out in the field are the best tool to accomplish the task.
Somethnig in the logic doesn't make sense...don't shoot 'one' because it will scatter the sounder. What happens when Coyotes take a fancy for them, they would scatter too. So you have sounders running everywhere, spreading out whenever they attract predators; man or beast.
Didn't they try some of the same fuzzy logic, told us not to shoot coyotes because it just makes them produce more ??
Let's face it the current MNR is being plagued by bad advice to base their laws on.
The new bait trapping and baitfish use laws are another example.
Ontario is in a unique position in that there are relatively few wild pigs in the province and can learn from other jurisdictions where wild pigs are firmly established. I’m no expert but it doesn’t appear that any jurisdiction is winning the war.
We should alow a hunt to be had if they are smart then you just have to out smart them . If they turn nocturnal them switch the season year to year. One year day time shoot the next season a night hunt they won't know what hit them lol.
Just letting them run wild is not the answer.
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Years back Sam, when they were first running amouk in MB in the WhiteShell park area, I pondered if they were traveling east into Northern Ontario. With the human population density very low up there, the boars could go unseen for years.
I saw mapping not long ago that's showed they did travel farther west into parts of Sask and Alberta.
Really don't know what all the belly aching is about. Who says nothing is done. Isn't the Pickering pig incidence a good example of what's done when a threat is identified?
https://www.blogto.com/city/2021/12/...boars-ontario/
Not one was taken by hunting.
This group of 14 have to be released half tame boars....
The one picture they are standing on the road/shoulder grazing and a passerby took the picture not 20 yards away.
How else would they get to Pickering? If they did travel there, It would be almost certain to be more feral pigs somewhere along their travel route.
Or maybe they swam across lake Ontario.[emoji848]
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A challenge to controlling these pigs whether it’s by hunting or government trapping is private land. There’s bound to be property owners who will not allow entry onto their land which will provide sanctuary for the piggies.
Another STUPID move by the government! Let's wait till we are over run with feral pigs and then open up a season for them....IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It won't be a challenge. Under the Invasive Species Act inspectors can enter private property for the purposes of surveying and insuring compliance.
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/s15022
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Entry on land during survey
(2) In the course of conducting a survey, an inspector may,
(a) enter any land at any reasonable time and be accompanied by any other person that the inspector authorizes; and
And they can stop your car too.Quote:
Inspection to determine compliance
17. (1) An inspector may enter and inspect any land, building or other place if,
(a) the inspector has reasonable grounds to believe that an invasive species, a carrier or other thing to which this Act or the regulations apply will be found on the land or in the building or place; or
Penalties for an individual go as high as $250,000 or a year behind bars.Quote:
Stopping conveyances to inspect
18. (1) An inspector may stop a conveyance if he or she has reasonable grounds to believe that,
(a) there is a member of an invasive species or a carrier in or on the conveyance; or
(b) stopping the conveyance would assist in determining compliance with,
(i) this Act or the regulations,
They simply do not have the manpower in Ontario to control the growing population of feral pigs.
Its one thing to brag about netting a bunch of semi tame donut fed pigs but quite another to track down and capture the smart ones.
All optics.
You only have to look state side to see how well that has worked out for them.
I'm sure Ted Nugent would be up for a Canadian tour in his chopper. "Whack'em, pack'em and stack'em. Surely our harsher winter conditions wouldn't allow the populations to proliferate like they do in the States.
I got to thinking about this.
As a landowner if and when the pigs cause damage to my property I should have pretty good legal grounds to sue the MNR for damages that could have been dealt with 400km south.
Hah, who am I kidding. They're not going to get to my place either way. Too many guys up this way that know how to shoot. And I mean really shoot.
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Yes, but we also share a long border with New York state as well. Looks like colder climate keeps the numbers down according to the information in this article.
"They are feral pigs, and while they have long plagued parts of the Southern and Western United States, now they have become a problem in the peaceful Champlain Valley of New York, an agricultural heartland on the edge of the Adirondacks."
"Last year, the state set a similar corral trap too soon, catching only three pigs. After that, none of the others returned to the area, even after the trap was dismantled. “I’ve never worked with an animal this smart,” Mr. Reed said."
"By contrast, the feral pig population nationwide is a staggering five million, with the animals present in 35 states. Texas, Florida, Alabama and California are among the states with the highest concentrations of pigs, which benefit from warm climates and year-round availability of food."
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/n...-new-york.html
Can not help but to remember the early 2000-ish: Do NOT transfer firewood, to prevent the spread of the Emerald Ash Borer!!!
How did THAT worked out for Them !!! -or Us ???
I am sometimes wondering-how come there is no personal responsibility for any of those big shots coming up with all these great ideas?
Covered in Section 27(3)
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(3) The Minister may cause an inspector, or other person acting on the Minister’s behalf, to take any of the following actions in an invasive species control area, or at an invaded place, referred to in clause (1) (a), with respect to an invasive species:
1. Use any physical or mechanical means, or apply any chemical treatments or biological control measures, to remove or eradicate the invasive species, even though the use of such means or application of such treatments or measures may result in damage to property or its removal or destruction.
2. Destroy, by any means, anything that may be a carrier of the invasive species.
3. Such other actions as may be necessary, whether or not it results in damage to property or its removal or destruction.
I’m having pork tenderloin tonight. Store bought.
I’ll try the wild one if I get a chance.
So to get head of one mounted might be a bit sketchy ?
Who'd want that ugly thing staring down on ya ..hardly a 'trophy'.... HaHa..
https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoo...nter-dies-boar
It would be one hell of a way to go.
Interesting article...thanx for sharing Trimmer.
One fact jumps out-Italy has -2 million wild boars(the real deal-not feral pigs)
Italy has 300.000 sqkm.
Texas alone 700.000 sqkm-Ontario alone 1 million...............hmmm
Understand bio diversity and native species and all-but:
Are wild pigs that bad then?No one hears Italy crying about wild pig problem....
Just saying.
They are crying in Rome about wild pigs.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/28/10411...e-streets-food
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Packs Of Ravenous Wild Boars Are Ransacking Rome
September 28, 2021 10:35 AM ET
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ROME — Rome has been invaded by Gauls, Visigoths and vandals over the centuries, but the Eternal City is now grappling with a rampaging force of an entirely different sort: rubbish-seeking wild boars.
Entire families of wild boars have become a daily sight in Rome, as groups of 10-30 beasts young and old emerge from the vast parks surrounding the city to trot down traffic-clogged streets in search of food in Rome's notoriously overflowing rubbish bins.
Posting wild boar videos on social media has become something of a sport as exasperated Romans capture the scavengers marching past their stores, strollers or playgrounds.
As Rome gears up for a local election this weekend, the wild boar invasion has been used as a political weapon to attack Mayor Virginia Raggi over the city's formidable garbage collection problems. But experts say the issue is more complicated and tied at least in part to a booming boar population.
Italy's main agriculture lobby, Coldiretti, estimates there are over 2 million wild boars in Italy. The region of Lazio surrounding Rome estimates there are 5,000-6,000 of them in city parks, a few hundred of which regularly abandon the trees and green for urban asphalt and trash bins.
Wild boars cross a street in Rome on Sept. 24. The city's overflowing rubbish bins have been a magnet for the boars, which can weigh up to 100 kilos (220 pounds).
To combat their growing numbers, Lazio launched a program in 2019 to capture the beasts in park cages for slaughter, and last month approved a new decree to allow selective hunting of boars in some parks, which until now had been strictly forbidden.
Maurizio Giubbiotti, in charge of Lazio's parks, says the region needs to increase the boar cull from 700 over two years to at least 1,000 annually to get the situation under control.
In Italy's rural areas, hunting wild boar is a popular sport and most Italians can offer a long list of their favorite wild boar dishes, including pappardelle pasta with boar sauce and wild boar stew. But animal rights groups have been adamantly opposed to mass culling.
Those beliefs are not shared by some urban residents.
"I am afraid of walking on the sidewalk, because on one side there are the dumpsters for the rubbish and they (the boars) jump on me," said Grazia, a 79-year-old grandmother waiting outside an elementary school to pick up her grandchildren. She did not give her last name.
Just down the street, a family of wild boars was snorting through the trash.
Her concerns are not misplaced: Wild boars can weigh up to 100 kilos (220 pounds), reach 80 centimeters (2.6 feet) in height and measure 150 centimeters (5 feet) long, a not-insignificant threat especially to the elderly and young children.
"We have been invaded here," lamented Pino Consolati, who runs a restaurant on a busy street corner in Rome's Monte Mario neighborhood. He said families of wild boars routinely wander through his outdoor eating area looking for food. One day this week, he said, his sister found 30 boars outside her shoe store when she left at 8 p.m.
"It is not a pleasant situation," he said, shrugging his shoulders.
Not sure what You mean-how much do You think they have?
Unsure why unoccupied farmland matters in this case .
2 milling wild pigs do 2 million wild pig worth of damage.
Or so they say-they do.
Texas has 2.6 million wild pigs for 700000 sq km.
Italy has 2 mil for 300000 sq km.
Numbers are numbers.
Plus-when they cry-they conveniently omit, lots of wild pigs in Texas or the USA are actually feral pigs.
Who to blame for that?
[QUOTE=Badenoch;1188524]They are crying in Rome about wild pigs.
Crying in Rome about wild pigs moving in is no different then crying in Bannf about Elk and Mule deer overruning the place,or in Toronto about coyotes.
Who cries outside the cities?
[QUOTE=gbk;1188558]N-o-o-o-o-body-y-y! At least,until the farms are getting all torn to h**l and diseases are contaminating domestic stock,then,all h**l will break loose. Politicians and bureaucrats that have bought in to bogus science will be heading for the hills.
Keep in mind that Italy allowed the introduction of the pigs they now have for hunters as the deer species were at the time being over-hunted.
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[QUOTE=impact;1188572]That's definitely a viable solution. When I worked for GM,sometimes we had to send security personnel to escort former employees off the property on "layoff". Management's "problem children" who were more trouble than they were worth were "promoted" up the ladder to where there was no place left to go except out the gate. That way,they had no excuse to sue for wrongful dismissal. It was very innovative and very successful.
Here's a recent article on the progress and lack of progress on dealing with feral hogs in USA
https://apnews.com/article/business-...dc4f8a8e536618
I'm sure the old farmer, were he still alive, who I mention having seen bear running about the neighbourhood. Would apply the same approach in dealing with wild boar, when it comes to protecting you property. The solution was simply the 3 'S' approach. For the uninformed that stands for: Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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They may deny permission to enter initially,but,after their lands and livestock are decimated,they'll be the first ones to demand the government compensate them for damage. My answer to them wouldn't be very accommodating. "No hunting on your land? Screw you,deal with it".
I think farmers will accomodate hunters but the problem is much rural land is now large acreage estates/mansions on 50+ acres. Most of those places are owned by citiots who won't give a rip that their "nature retreat" is infested with hogs. Some of them are even stupid enough they will like it. Those places will act as reservoirs and once established as hog havens it will be impossible to to deal with the problem.
While not specific to the hog problem i have watched my township evolve over the last 50 years from a community of farm people to now largely former urban dwellers who are classic citiot NIMBYs. When i was a kid i used to ride my bike around the township knocking on doors with my 22 and fishing rod and fished the farm ponds and shot ground hogs on pretty well every farm within 10 miles of our farm. No way a kid can do that now. Azzhats in their beamer SUVs want no part of that now. Almost time to call it a day and get the $%^# out of Dodge.
yep... & less than 50 years later...
I haven't enjoyed the monster homes popping up in our area either but those "citiots" didn't steal the land. It was sold to them by farmers and landowners many of whom secured a comfortable retirement for themselves and gained a measure of financial security for their families when they subdivided and sold their land.
For anyone interested, CTV W5 just had a show on invasive species. Wild hogs are part of it. Like everything else the Gov't has more or less turned a blind eye to it and studies are being funded by the US Gov't as they are worried about the hogs moving from Canada (Sask) into the northern states. The study being done in Sask, already figures the point of no return has already been passed. Why the MNRF here is being so stubborn to not allow hunting and eradication of them.
The topic of wild pigs came up during the controlled hunt. Does not sound like many land owners in my area are going to wait for the pig patrol to show up to to take care of any new invasive hogs. I imagine it will be the same for most landowners.
There we go- hunters will not be able to hunt hogs due of the fear of them dispersing after them being hunted .
So we are told.
It seems hogs will discriminate against hunters then, and disperse when a hunter shoots them........yet they will stay put in place after bunch of them are shot up by owners of properties(which is likely to happen anyway-far and wide).
Nice.
Surprised this topic is still giving some grief. I believe the intent of the law is to prevent the introduction of hogs by those who would want to hunt them, hence the no hunting of them.
No where I can find is there a prohibition of killing hogs in the protection of property.
Right! Only landowners and/or their bona fide agents are allowed to shoot wild hogs to protect private property. I'm only familiar with western New York state where the no hunting of wild hogs/boar is only allowed in that fashion. So far,after 4 years,that philosophy has been a bust. The wild hog population has increased dramatically.
The junk science part Trimmer is referring to can be found on page 10 of the Ontario Strategy to Address the Threat of Invasive Wild Pigs.
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Action 1.6: Prohibit hunting of wild pigs in Ontario.
There is a common misconception that hunting could be an effective approach for
eradicating wild pig populations; however, research and management experiences from
other jurisdictions indicates that hunting actually accelerates their spread. Wild pigs that
are exposed to hunting pressure flee into new areas and learn to avoid humans. In some
jurisdictions where hunting seasons were introduced as an approach to manage wild
pigs, the intentional release of wild pigs into new areas to create additional recreational
hunting opportunities significantly accelerated population expansion. Other jurisdictions
(e.g., New York) have reduced or eliminated the spread of wild pigs by, in part, banning
wild pig hunting. In alignment with best information and Ontario’s proactive approach to
address the threat of wild pigs, NDMNRF has passed a regulatory amendment to
prohibit hunting wild pigs under the Invasive Species Act, 2015. Landowners or agents
acting on their behalf are able to protect their property from wildlife damage, including
for the purpose of biosecurity.
Source:
https://files.ontario.ca/ndmnrf-wild...2021-10-19.pdf
Every jurisdiction in the southern and mid western US tried it and it failed miserably as witnessed by the population explosions in western NY,Tennessee,the Carolinas and Pennsylvania,yet,OMNRF cites "other studies" (completely un-named) as a reason to ban shooting them. I'm calling BS to the whole thing until someone can prove that not shooting them reduces the population with rock-solid,unbiased and independently confirmed data.
When I'm in Florida I bring the crossbow and book a wild hog hunt with an outfitter...
Tons of fun and they are great on the plate. It will be a sad day when they start to thrive where I hunt in Ontario... :)