The vaccine does in fact work

https://nationalpost.com/health/what...id-19-vaccines

So we know it works. We know it has side effects. We know getting covid carrie’s a higher risk of effects than the vaccine. Is the only reason some people refuse to get the vaccine purely based on skepticism, or is it a time/data thing? Are some still believing a nefarious government plot? We will eventually reach an endemic stage and hopefully the virus becomes even less potent. Maybe some are riding it out cautiously until this point. The experimental aspect of the vaccine comes up, maybe this causes alarm? But the science on mRNA dates back to the early 1990’s. I’m hopeful we are approaching the end. Their are hints of it getting better with the scientific data. At the same time I think the majority of media outlets know the end is coming and they are still hyping stories to get more views/responses. Don’t buy into it. I’m hopeful we will be back to normal soon.

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https://nationalpost.com/health/what...id-19-vaccines

So we know it works. We know it has side effects. We know getting covid carrie’s a higher risk of effects than the vaccine. Is the only reason some people refuse to get the vaccine purely based on skepticism, or is it a time/data thing? Are some still believing a nefarious government plot? We will eventually reach an endemic stage and hopefully the virus becomes even less potent. Maybe some are riding it out cautiously until this point. The experimental aspect of the vaccine comes up, maybe this causes alarm? But the science on mRNA dates back to the early 1990’s. I’m hopeful we are approaching the end. Their are hints of it getting better with the scientific data. At the same time I think the majority of media outlets know the end is coming and they are still hyping stories to get more views/responses. Don’t buy into it. I’m hopeful we will be back to normal soon.

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So we know it works.
- It doesn't work at all to prevent transmission, only lessens the severity.

We know it has side effects.
- but not all of them or the frequency of them. Both governments and manufacturers are not making it easy to gather or publish this information.

We know getting covid carrie’s a higher risk of effects than the vaccine.
- Yes, for old people and those with comprimised health.
- Generally not so for younger healthy people. Again, access to the information on vaccine side effects severity or frequency is still very poor. I personally know of two people who were otherwise health who had strokes (caused by blood clots) within days of receiving a shot. One recovered fully. The other is screwed for life.

Is the only reason some people refuse to get the vaccine purely based on skepticism, or is it a time/data thing? Are some still believing a nefarious government plot?

We will eventually reach an endemic stage and hopefully the virus becomes even less potent.
- This has already happened. Have you not being following the news?

Maybe some are riding it out cautiously until this point. The experimental aspect of the vaccine comes up, maybe this causes alarm? But the science on mRNA dates back to the early 1990’s.
- Yes, mRNA has been around for decades and has not previously been used in widely distributed vaccines. Why? Because its not effective and it has potential for very serious side effects.

I’m hopeful we are approaching the end. Their are hints of it getting better with the scientific data.
At the same time I think the majority of media outlets know the end is coming and they are still hyping stories to get more views/responses. Don’t buy into it. I’m hopeful we will be back to normal soon.

Mrna dates back a while but the latest report in 2018 before the virus said it was not ready for public use nor should it be used in healthy individuals.

What was done to better this in the year leading up pandemic? Lots of side effects are still unknown we only know the few instant ones. Takes years to discover many of them.

The who top scientist just said there is no evidence that healthy kids and adolescent need a booster. Evidence also showed they were at little risk before the shots. But keep taking them for the great good I guess.


The European medical experts just said repeatedly giving boosters could actually decrease the level of protection.

When you realize you have been played then the gig is up.

There are warnings of auto immune diseases from the shots but that is going to take some time to discover. It was also published in the 2018 study as part of the side effects.

What's wrong with waiting for the science and data to come out before pushing it on the lower risk groups.

We had about 15 thousands deaths the year with and without vaccines in Canada. Every time the shots go out the cases spike even during thw off season.


I have a feeling they will be pulled in a short time.

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Some anti vax people may be looking out for themselves by being very careful to not get Covid.
And if they don’t they are better off then someone who Got Covid or got a vaccine.

Imagine that.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

https://nationalpost.com/health/what...id-19-vaccines

So we know it works. We know it has side effects. We know getting covid carrie’s a higher risk of effects than the vaccine. Is the only reason some people refuse to get the vaccine purely based on skepticism, or is it a time/data thing? Are some still believing a nefarious government plot? We will eventually reach an endemic stage and hopefully the virus becomes even less potent. Maybe some are riding it out cautiously until this point. The experimental aspect of the vaccine comes up, maybe this causes alarm? But the science on mRNA dates back to the early 1990’s. I’m hopeful we are approaching the end. Their are hints of it getting better with the scientific data. At the same time I think the majority of media outlets know the end is coming and they are still hyping stories to get more views/responses. Don’t buy into it. I’m hopeful we will be back to normal soon.

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That math has already been debunked. https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1187421

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That math has already been debunked. https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1187421

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They discussed the age factor in the article and explained the numbers. Did you have a look?

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Some anti vax people may be looking out for themselves by being very careful to not get Covid.
And if they don’t they are better off then someone who Got Covid or got a vaccine.

Imagine that.

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Yes we are trying to avoid it . Just because we don't have the vaccine it doesn't mean we are trying to get it .

We are still respecting the rules have limited parties have gone to some and choose not to do others .

May have had it the beginning of the year doctor said to wait 14 days after we were better to get an antibody test done. Next week we should know if we had it.

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The vaccine does not work otherwise the country would be wide open.
Logic has escaped the minds of many.

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They discussed the age factor in the article and explained the numbers. Did you have a look?

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Sure did that's what prompted my response. It's too bad they didn't figure it into their equation but then again it doesn't fit the narrative. My question to you is did you take a look and if you did why the question?

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Sure did that's what prompted my response. It's too bad they didn't figure it into their equation but then again it doesn't fit the narrative. My question to you is did you take a look and if you did why the question?

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Yes, unless I’m seeing it wrong. The numbers show the vaccine preventing serious illness in hospital versus the unvaccinated.

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Yes, unless I’m seeing it wrong. The numbers show the vaccine preventing serious illness in hospital versus the unvaccinated.

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Sit right back and mull on it some more.

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Yes, unless I’m seeing it wrong. The numbers show the vaccine preventing serious illness in hospital versus the unvaccinated.

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But the vaccine isn't preventing them from being infected and spreading the virus, infecting others. That is a failure of the vaccine, it doesn't lower the infection rate for herd immunity.

by sheer def: "Vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity"

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But the vaccine isn't preventing them from being infected and spreading the virus, infecting others. That is a failure of the vaccine, it doesn't lower the infection rate for herd immunity.

by sheer def: "Vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity"

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On that specific premise you are correct it’s a failure. But the numbers still show a lower likelihood of hospitalization with, than without. So doesn’t that count for anything?

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Sit right back and mull on it some more.

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Not sure what you’re going on about anymore. Your numbers still indicate a lower likelihood of being hospitalized in the icu with the vaccine than without it.

Influenza 101: Boost up your immune system by eating a healthy balanced diet, get outdoors and exercise, reduce stress in your life and consume in moderation. Top up with vitamins if low on C and D. Get the sniffles once a year and BOOM......Big Pharma goes bankrupt.

You wonder how our forefathers ever survived without jabs, don't you?

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So doesn’t that count for anything?

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Not anymore...they have a Pfizer pill that will prevent severe reactions to the virus. It's for people with comorbidity issues that get the virus...

No more need for the failure of a 'vaccine' that doesn't protect you from infection.

Here is a question .

What happens after being vaccinated say you don't get a booster how is the body going to take covid?
If you haven't had covid and taken the boosters and we need to stop them that happens then? ..



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Here is a question .

What happens after being vaccinated say you don't get a booster how is the body going to take covid?
If you haven't had covid and taken the boosters and we need to stop them that happens then? ..



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If you listen to the video I just posted by a world renowned virologist, you still end up in hospital.

This is where they would intervene with therapeutics like they just announced here in Canada.

If your healthy to start with then don't worry about it except for the possibility of vaccine related injury.

I thought the primary design of the vaccine was to stop the spread lol. Hmm.
Still hasn't gone back to normal like they promised wonce we had 60 percent of the population then 80% then 90% oh look we need 100% lol. . So many believe in the " new normal " it's terrible lol.

""Current COVID-19 vaccines were primarily designed to prevent severe disease and death rather than infection. But clinical trial results in late 2020 showing that two of the vaccines had more than 90% efficacy against the disease initially sparked hope that the virus could be largely contained by widespread vaccination, similar to the way measles has been curbed by inoculation.

With SARS-CoV-2, two factors have since undermined that picture, said Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

"The first is that immunity, especially to infection, which is the important kind of immunity, wanes quite quickly, at least from the vaccines that we have right now," he said.

The second is that the virus can quickly mutate in a way that enables it to elude protection from vaccination or prior infection - even when immunity has not waned.

"It changes the game when vaccinated people can still shed virus and infect other people," said Dr. David Wohl, an infectious disease specialist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine.""






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The way it was explained to me and come to understand is this:

The mRNA jab was created and produces spike protein that identify and target type "A" covid.

if the covid mutates and type "B" comes along well type "A" ignores it and you are FUBAR.

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Influenza 101: Boost up your immune system by eating a healthy balanced diet, get outdoors and exercise, reduce stress in your life and consume in moderation. Top up with vitamins if low on C and D. Get the sniffles once a year and BOOM......Big Pharma goes bankrupt.

You wonder how our forefathers ever survived without jabs, don't you?

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I agree 100%. Health issues are huge, yet so interrelated with economics. Tough nut to crack.

Yes. We all know the vaccine is working well...

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In my simple mind, this is all much more simple than many make it out to be.
Initially when the vaccines were rolled out, they did indeed work, both in reducing transmission and symptoms.
Despite that many were concerned with new/rushed vaccines (I get that, and don't hold it against them)
A new variant (Omicron) emerges and the vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission, but still seem to help a bit with symptoms.
That minor upside is nowhere near enough to convince anyone who was initially hesitant to take it now. (and rightly so)
Despite the fact that many of us have seen the above for the last month or so, Governments are big slow machines which never turn quickly. Despite that, they are starting to turn and we are starting to see restrictions drop. I'm convinced this will continue.
Omicron appears to be so easy to transmit, that I don't anyone is going to avoid this one, but there is logic in slowing the spread some to ease the resources those who get sick demand.
Now that we have seen the impact of the holiday season on hospitals, and despite it making them busy, it was manageable, things are being loosened up, and will continue to be unless there is a significant increase in hospitalization.

Hopefully once everyone has Omicron, there will be significant natural immunity and this thing will end.

Sure there have been political motives involved throughout because many politicians are scum bags, but a lot of it has just been due to fear of the unknown. Know that its becoming known, things are going to ease up.

I truly don't think its any more complex than that.

I had 3 days off work this week because jobsite shut down because ENTIRE general contractor crew off sick with covid.

All 3 jabbed, Vax mandated Company.(was jobsite mandate but they gave up on that)

I'm exempt as I work outside with another unvaxxed guy. They sent us home (6 guys) at 7am because we be only ones there.( Paying for 4hr work)

Havnt laughed that hard in a long time

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This "covid" thing will never end as some think. It will just continually mutate and morph, staying alive and well as long as there are mammals, and who knows, maybe move on to amphibians and fish. It's like saying the flu is extinct, or polio or measles, which they have actually developed a REAL VACCINE FOR.
One thing I believe for certain is that many immune systems are being compromised at this time by Big Pharm Experimentation and they don't even have to practice in a controlled lab environment.
I was hesitant and leery 18 months ago about the jab, and nothing has since happened to soothe my soul besides judicious use of internal lubrication with fermentation practices of proven doctors such as the early Egyptians as well as more recently Drs Carling and Molson.
John

Which is working better.... natural immunity (that doesn't count for these mandates) or the vaccine, Sheila Gunn Reid and a friend doing immunity tests.

https://www.rebelnews.com/immunity_t..._the_recovered

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https://nationalpost.com/health/what...id-19-vaccines

So we know it works. We know it has side effects. We know getting covid carrie’s a higher risk of effects than the vaccine. Is the only reason some people refuse to get the vaccine purely based on skepticism, or is it a time/data thing? Are some still believing a nefarious government plot? We will eventually reach an endemic stage and hopefully the virus becomes even less potent. Maybe some are riding it out cautiously until this point. The experimental aspect of the vaccine comes up, maybe this causes alarm? But the science on mRNA dates back to the early 1990’s. I’m hopeful we are approaching the end. Their are hints of it getting better with the scientific data. At the same time I think the majority of media outlets know the end is coming and they are still hyping stories to get more views/responses. Don’t buy into it. I’m hopeful we will be back to normal soon.

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I'm not so sure about that. https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/06/ca...TelHivkS41lrrA

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I'm not so sure about that. https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/06/ca...TelHivkS41lrrA

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Well if this is true, I guess the unvaxxed will inherit a quieter world.

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Well if this is true, I guess the unvaxxed will inherit a quieter world.

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I sure hope it isn't and I'm not sure why they are looking at Canada when the U.K. was vaxxed before us, surely they would be first to show symptoms.

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I sure hope it isn't and I'm not sure why they are looking at Canada when the U.K. was vaxxed before us, surely they would be first to show symptoms.

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For me, it’s another one of those misinformation stories. I remember as a kid seeing those magazines (national inquirer, etc,) at the checkout of grocery stores. I often wondered who on earth could believe that crap. Now that we’re in a digital age, it’s a lot easier to spoon feed that load to all walks of people that are willing to listen. Directionless people that want a dream more than reality. I’m sorry to say but some of that rebel/rumble stuff falls into this category. You should hear some of the misinformation coming up on zello. It is hilarious at first, but then you start to wonder how many people are taking it for face value as real information and it becomes scary. As I’ve said before, information needs to be scrutinized before accepting it. And it’s ok if some information doesn’t align with a certain belief we might hold, it doesn’t make it less true.

Hahaha, now it's AIDS.... First, Bill Gates was going to push a button, and all the vaxxed would disintegrate. People watch too many Avengers movies.

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I do not believe that there is a very large portion of our population who thinks that the jab does not work to some extent. I also believe that the annual flu shot is beneficial to some, but I have always chose to pass up the opportunity to partake in that as well.
The issue as I see it is FREEDOM OF CHOICE WITHOUT REPRISALS, and this is a cornerstone upon which our country was built.

Crunching some numbers

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLjG18Vp/

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Crunching some numbers

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLjG18Vp/

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Here is the kicker on this one. 8 thousand Canadians didn't die in the last few months those numbers are incorrect. If it's supposed to start at Dec 14 2020 then

Dispute me please.

May 15 2021 3.8 % of the population fully vaccinated.

From December 14 2020 thousands of Canadians died between then and may 15 2021 before we even had 4 % of the population fully vaccinated.

Why are we adding thousands of deaths and hospital visits when the public was not fully vaccinated or with such little jabs in arms.




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Crunching some numbers

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLjG18Vp/

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That's all good up until Jan.1 but then the data changes from Jan.1-15 after the booster roll out. https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/06/ca...ly-vaccinated/

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That's all good up until Jan.1 but then the data changes from Jan.1-15 after the booster roll out. https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/06/ca...ly-vaccinated/

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Exactly they added thousands of deaths while less than 4 percent were even fully vaccinated.

Talk about manipulation lol.


Ps The vid shows it was only a month lol but those are not the numbers from dec2021 to Jan 2022 lol.

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Why did the province of New Brunswick

Doubled it's death count after being praised for being the leading vaccinated province in Canada.

How many of those were in the vaccinated?
They weren't bashing the unvaccinated they knew where the deaths were coming from. Just because you are vaccinated the risk of death is still there.






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Crunching some numbers

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLjG18Vp/

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Fake news haha

The misinformation is real

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They are running damage control hard.

Many articles emerging that normalize sudden heart attacks in young/healthy people. This was first mentioned a few months ago in the 'vaccine side effects' thread and has since intensified.

They blame it on climate change, diet, many other things except the jab.

Also, check this out: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238?s=08

Big whoopsie.

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They are running damage control hard.

Many articles emerging that normalize sudden heart attacks in young/healthy people. This was first mentioned a few months ago in the 'vaccine side effects' thread and has since intensified.

They blame it on climate change, diet, many other things except the jab.

Also, check this out: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321238?s=08

Big whoopsie.

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Prince Harry is urging Brits to get and AIDS test
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Seriously, you are being played by your choice of media. Read the story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-60323907

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Seriously, you are being played by your choice of media. Read the story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-60323907

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Timing is everything. Would the bbc be the equivalent to the cbc here in Canada?

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You wouldn't take a 2 billion payout? Isn't that the corner stone of investing? buy low sell high. I'd be more concerned if they didn't sell.

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You wouldn't take a 2 billion payout? Isn't that the corner stone of investing? buy low sell high. I'd be more concerned if they didn't sell.

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Well I guess that all rides on what you paid for it. Looks like it's been on the slide for a while. Forgot to mention the CEO dropped his Twitter account too.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MRNA/history/

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Yepp. He also deleted his twitter account suddenly.
We are sliding further into the dystopian hellhole of the great reset agenda, right on cue. The least we can do is enjoy some honks :)

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Yepp. He also deleted his twitter account suddenly.
We are sliding further into the dystopian hellhole of the great reset agenda, right on cue. The least we can do is enjoy some honks :)

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Everything is going to be okay!

Former BlackRock portfolio Edward Dowd on Phyzer Vaccine fraud. https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/...video_explicit

hahahaha!

There is no empirical evidence that proves the experimental gene therapy works to protect you against a virus that has a 99.97% survival rate.
None.
85% adults vaccinated and the COVID numbers hit record highs in January.
That's proof it doesn't work.
But keep believing the media.