Makes You Sick

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-sch...lice-go-inside - when you read this it makes you sick - the cops stay outside while the killer is inside killing kids - goes to show you that you can't depend on the cops - you got to be prepared to take care of yourself - no matter what you think about guns if some people in that school had guns so many kids would not have been killed - what is the matter with people can't they realize that the only way to stop of bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun - dam liberals just can't admit that their solution to restrict good people from having guns just doesn't work -

Here is what's happening - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFEfeFOyNuA&t=666s

I think that might be slightly over simplified Joepa. A good guy with a gun might work and it might not. You still need the good guy to have the right mind set and be ready. Aren’t the cops supposed to be the good guys? I’m not sure if the answer is more guns or less guns, but sitting around and squabbling about it doesn’t solve anything. Officials need to, at the very least, pick a direction of action and make adjustments on the fly. Inaction or overreaction won’t do, just start with action.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-sch...lice-go-inside - when you read this it makes you sick - the cops stay outside while the killer is inside killing kids - goes to show you that you can't depend on the cops - you got to be prepared to take care of yourself - no matter what you think about guns if some people in that school had guns so many kids would not have been killed - what is the matter with people can't they realize that the only way to stop of bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun - dam liberals just can't admit that their solution to restrict good people from having guns just doesn't work -

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Emotions are running high in the fallout of this tragic event, but I will say, it's unsettling to me to think that law enforcement waited outside for such a prolonged period of time before going in. If this is true, their inaction, perhaps attributed to the death of many children? The officers who made the decision to wait, will have to carry that burden for a long time.

So far many blunders are surfacing.
The school doors were left open.
The armed guard was not on duty to confront the scum bag.
The LEO's didn't take control of the situation in a timely manner.

I just hope the lessons learned here will evoke a positive change in School security because sooner or later someone will try it again.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well Joe yesterday in Toronto 3 schools were locked down when a man was seen with a long rifle. Toronto Police located the man I suspect in the neighbourhood of a school and there was some sort of confrontation. This man was shot dead by Toronto Police, he was armed with a .177 Pellet gun and the media here have stated that this type of weapon can prove to be deadly in some circumstances.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8874165/s...oronto-school/

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Those officers should have to go back and be re-trained and maybe lay off the trigger finger a bit.

What was the suspect thinking? Pacing with something that could pass as an assault weapon in front of a school in the wake of what happened in Texas? How unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well Joe yesterday in Toronto 3 schools were locked down when a man was seen with a long rifle. Toronto Police located the man I suspect in the neighbourhood of a school and there was some sort of confrontation. This man was shot dead by Toronto Police, he was armed with a .177 Pellet gun and the media here have stated that this type of weapon can prove to be deadly in some circumstances.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8874165/s...oronto-school/

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That's horrible.

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Gilroy - shooting a guy because he is carrying a pellet gun is murder - what crime did he commit - how about shooting a guy because he is carrying a knife - they could at least have told the guy to drop the gun and determine what was going on - too many cops have a itchy trigger finger - I'm glad I don't live up there where the cops can just kill you for doing nothing wrong - must admit that maybe walking around a school with any fire arm at this time isn't a smart thing to do - but if we start shooting people because they are dumb we would lose half the population of the country -

Tucker Carlson news clip fox news maybe YouTube won't allow it I look for on there.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/tucke...gun-slaughter/


More cops trying to stop parents from entering while a cop went in to save their own kids.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/uvald...fore-entering/

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Check out this video road rage guy swipes at him didn't see this coming lol.

Then the knife swiping guy phones the cops lol.

It's not always a bad thing to be protected.

https://youtu.be/V00KjFsdpPE

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Fishfood - I watched the video - just some trash interacting with each other -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Gilroy - shooting a guy because he is carrying a pellet gun is murder - what crime did he commit - how about shooting a guy because he is carrying a knife - they could at least have told the guy to drop the gun and determine what was going on - too many cops have a itchy trigger finger - I'm glad I don't live up there where the cops can just kill you for doing nothing wrong - must admit that maybe walking around a school with any fire arm at this time isn't a smart thing to do - but if we start shooting people because they are dumb we would lose half the population of the country -

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Well Joe, true to form, SIU is investigating this incident now. Hence, no information is being released. So as usual, people start supposin’, surmisin’ and making stuff up. We don’t know what the interaction with the officers was. If he threatened them and pointed the gun at them……..nobody is going to take the time to examine a gun pointed at you……

Yes - let's find out what happened before making judgement - your right

On the first news broadcast they interviewed the neighbor who says she says she saw the whole thing. She said the guy was pointing the gun at the officers and when told to put it down he didn't. Then they shot as they should have. She will be an interesting witness for the SIU.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

On the first news broadcast they interviewed the neighbor who says she says she saw the whole thing. She said the guy was pointing the gun at the officers and when told to put it down he didn't. Then they shot. She will be an interesting witness for the SIU.

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Unfortunately the officers will relive that encounter for a long, long time !

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Well Joe, true to form, SIU is investigating this incident now. Hence, no information is being released. So as usual, people start supposin’, surmisin’ and making stuff up. We don’t know what the interaction with the officers was. If he threatened them and pointed the gun at them……..nobody is going to take the time to examine a gun pointed at you……

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I completely agree. Someone made a big mistake and paid with his life.

TX governor "livid" after being mislead by the police response.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/tx-go...alde-shooting/

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One thing that needs to be recognized is - police have no obligation to protect you - the Supreme Court address this issue some time ago when someone tried to sue the police for not protecting them from a person - because of this many people - including me - feel that you better be prepared to protect yourself

Now this is more like it - https://www.foxnews.com/us/west-virg...an-fired-party

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Originally Posted by JoePa

One thing that needs to be recognized is - police have no obligation to protect you - the Supreme Court address this issue some time ago when someone tried to sue the police for not protecting them from a person - because of this many people - including me - feel that you better be prepared to protect yourself

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“To serve and protect” is that just a catchy slogan or their motto?

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

“To serve and protect” is that just a catchy slogan or their motto?

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To serve and obey orders lol


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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

So let’s get this straight…

A mentally unstable man who was known to police & exhibited dangerous signs, shoots his grandma & goes on a chase with police.

Opens a school door that was not supposed to be open & was left alone for an hour & 30 minutes as the police waited outside?

The usual gun debate is pointless here.

People should be discussing root causes, as well as the complete and total failure of the police.

So absurd that it almost seems by design…

God bless these children and their families.

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How very true in this situation good post Bushwhacker!!!

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Originally Posted by fishfood

To serve and obey orders lol


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Protect WHO.... WHO's orders..... first time I listened to the video it gave me little concern and a bit of a chuckle... BUT with the police shooting the guy recently with the pellet gun reminded me of this video and of the gunsmith getting shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLiwCXyyX6U

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

So let’s get this straight…

A mentally unstable man who was known to police & exhibited dangerous signs, shoots his grandma & goes on a chase with police.

Opens a school door that was not supposed to be open & was left alone for an hour & 30 minutes as the police waited outside?

The usual gun debate is pointless here.

People should be discussing root causes, as well as the complete and total failure of the police.

So absurd that it almost seems by design…

God bless these children and their families.

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We know the Liberal's spent less than 1/3 their fighting gangs and crime promises but will spent about 3X that PROMISE to seize firearms from the law abiding, we know the Liberals reduced sentence on crimes, many with firearms and that police powers keep growing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHpNTWFtn6M

So it often seems that solving the problem isn't a goal, using the problem... seems more the goal.

I’ll say it once again ….unless most of us with an interest in firearms join an advocacy group, you can expect that left-leaning governments will plan on taking away more and more. This country’s demographic has been swinging from rural to urban dramatically over the last few decades. The political climate is not going to improve

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

I’ll say it once again ….unless most of us with an interest in firearms fail to join an advocacy group, you can expect that left-leaning governments will plan on taking away more and more. This country’s demographic has been swinging from rural to urban dramatically over the last few decades. The political climate is not going to improve

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That's for sure and for anyone that can't see or realize that needs to pull their head out of their behind!!!

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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304

That's for sure and for anyone that see or realize that needs to pull their head out of their behind!!!

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YES, some seem to like the aroma but for the cost of a box of shells you can join CCFR and/or CSSA, depending on the ammo BOTH and we already see bolt actions called "assault weapons" in Canada by the antis, see post and linked video at time mentioned.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1198313

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

I’ll say it once again ….unless most of us with an interest in firearms join an advocacy group, you can expect that left-leaning governments will plan on taking away more and more. This country’s demographic has been swinging from rural to urban dramatically over the last few decades. The political climate is not going to improve

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The U.S. could probably solve a lot of their firearm problems by re-imposing the draft.

Canada could probably deal with any firearm concerns by impose a public compulsory adult firearm training course, and start dealing with the younger crowd by providing awareness and firearm training through the public education system.

Firearm advocacy groups are an waste of time, if the other side off the population has no idea of what they're talking about and has no interest in educating themselves so they can approach issues on a level playing field. The prime focus of the latter is centered upon suppressing firearms rather than learning to live with them. If you are an island nation that might work, but if you are neighbours to the great firearm arsenal in the world. suppression is not likely to achieve much.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

The U.S. could probably solve a lot of their firearm problems by re-imposing the draft.

Canada could probably deal with any firearm concerns by impose a public compulsory adult firearm training course, and start dealing with the younger crowd by providing awareness and firearm training through the public education system.

Firearm advocacy groups are an waste of time, if the other side off the population has no idea of what they're talking about and has no interest in educating themselves so they can approach issues on a level playing field. The prime focus of the latter is centered upon suppressing firearms rather than learning to live with them. If you are an island nation that might work, but if you are neighbours to the great firearm arsenal in the world. suppression is not likely to achieve much.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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I like your sentiments but I think those ideals are well in the past ? The average urbanite citizen has absolutely no interest in firearms, and that’s why no one but us is standing up for us.