Our friends in Ottawa today put on a list to be banned JUST ABOUT every semi automatic centerfire rifle.
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Our friends in Ottawa today put on a list to be banned JUST ABOUT every semi automatic centerfire rifle.
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https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en...V2?fk=11908183
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I found this.
I'm still bating 100% on my predictions on here. Many Liberal supporters laughed at me about my predictions.
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/22/lib...-and-shotguns/
iberals Aim to Ban SKS and All Other Semi-Auto, Centrefire, Mag-Fed Rifles And Shotguns
22 Nov 2022
TheGunBlog.ca — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is working to ban all semi-auto, centrefire rifles and shotguns that can take detachable ammo mags.
The mass prohibitions and confiscations specifically target the country’s 2.2 million government-licensed firearm users, such as hunters, farmers and sport shooters.
Bill C-21 Amendment
Trudeau’s Liberal Party planned its newest attacks on honest citizens by forcing last-minute amendments into Bill C-21, its draft anti-gun law.
The opposition Conservative Party revealed the crackdowns today at the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU).
The committee is in the final stages of reviewing the bill.
Amendment Wording
The Canadian Shooting Sports Association shared the text of the amendment.
The prohibitions and confiscations target you if you own:
a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centrefire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed
SKS Among 400 New Models
The planned prohibitions and confiscations target the owners of roughly 400 models of rifle and shotgun.
They include owners of the SKS rifle, the CSSA said.
The SKS is Canada’s most-popular centrefire, semi-auto rifle, with more than 200,000 owners.
Dancho: ‘All-Out War on Hunters’
The confiscations are “an all-out war on hunters,” Conservative Member of Parliament Raquel Dancho said today during the SECU meeting.
Liberals on the committee tried to block her from sharing the confiscation plan, and denied her repeated requests for details.
Liberal Hostility
The Liberals have worked for decades to weaken citizens, destroy the firearm industry, and eliminate personal gun ownership. Many gun owners still vote Liberal.
They said in May that they would amend Bill C-21 to expand their mass rifle and shotgun confiscations begun in May 2020. They initiated handgun confiscations last month.
Even if Bill C-21 fails to become law, the Liberals could bypass parliament and order the crackdown by so-called “Order in Council.”
The Liberals are hiding the text and details of their newest confiscation plans. They aren’t available to the public.
Guaranteed Failure
Many, perhaps even most gun owners targeted by today’s confiscations will ignore them.
The affected rifles and shotguns have a legal label of “Non-Restricted.” Trudeau and his fellow prohibitionists don’t know who owns what, and have no way to easily seize it.
Buyers have already begun a shopping spree to stock up before any new bans take effect.
Confiscations, Slow or Fast?
It’s unclear if the Liberals want police to raid the homes of targeted owners to seize our gear immediately after the law passes, or some time later.
It’s also unclear how long owners will be allowed to use our affected firearms.
The Liberals aren’t offering to compensate confiscation victims.
Assault on Parliamentary Process
Today’s move by the Liberals is also an assault on parliamentary process.
They snuck in their major changes to Bill C-21 in its final stages in the House of Commons.
This amendment is only one of many planned changes introduced to Bill C-21 today. The Liberals also plan to expand prohibitions and restrictions on firearm parts.
And the summary here
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/22/lib...-and-shotguns/
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At this rate, the revision X of bill21 will propose cutting off fist in newborns to avoid the risk them getting into bar fights once they grow [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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If I recall correctly The Chretien Liberal government, "Allan Rock" once declared that the Liberals main goal was to eventually ban all guns 100%.
As I said back then they would follow through. I am dead on. Anyone who has voted Liberal voted 100% to help ban ALL firearms.
Agenda 2030. They want to disarm all of us by then. Look at the usa they keep trying to ban and change gun laws also. Lucky for them the usa loves guns so it will be harder to ban them.
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I will pretend I didnt see this and keep owning my banned guns... :)
Well,I hate to say I told you so,but................... The more I think of it,the more I agree with Rod Giltaca from CCFR. The government is taking such a massive beating at SECU investigation and hearing that they need a massive distraction. This is likely what they're trying to do.
At least someone is paying attentionQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashes1
thank you
So something like a Browning BAR - the gun was not designed to take a non-factory magazine that holds more than five shells, but you could still easily fabricate a mag that turn it into a 30 shot gun. Is this going to be a banned gun? Re: sks - I was actually surprised that it wasn't on the last list that came out.
What about:
M1 garand
Russian SVT 40
Swede Ljungman m/42B
It's going to continue to happen that's what they want. More bans now a few more later eventually there won't be many left.
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LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
You must be listening to a different commission hearing that I view almost every other day, the Liberals are smelling like roses, the lawyer for the freedom convoy got ejected out of the hearing and he is going to get sued by a PR firm he accused of sending in fake Nazi supporters. Pretty sure most normal hunting semi autos will not be affected.
Might be all semi'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
As for the convoy lawyer's it was the liberals vaxxed to the max who suddenly collapsed. Won't say it's from that ,but there is a pattern here lol.
Some of us said the last bann that it won't be the end of them. After this next ban there will be more again another common pattern.
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Lol.
It’s comedy time. I invoke the emergency act. Feel the horse shoes on your face.
It may include your hunting rifle if it passes. Unfortunately I was kayaking across a pond last week and my boat tipped, I sadly was not able to recover my gear. Unfortunately I no longer have a semi auto rifle l :(. I promiseQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
100%. I believe they keep things like this on a shelf as a distraction for the next new scandel.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Have never found a bottom to that pond have sunk a 18 foot tamarack pole and not found a solid bottom.
There's always some nutbar that comes out of the woodwork,isn't there? It seems they're everywhere anymore. I hope you're right about most conventional hunting semi autos,but,really,I'm not that optimistic. Gun control wingnuts are relentless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
First they came for the opposition..........whoops I stop here.
Last time someone tried to use this set of sentences ,on this very Forum(to reflect onto gun control)was beaten up pretty badly by some of the members. The ones, which ones used every opportunity to twist and turn the guys words(writings).
So-to stay on the topic
First they came for "scary guns"(assault guns)-i did nothing,since i owned none
Then they came for handguns-i did nothing,since i owned none
Then they came for "some"semis--i did nothing,since i owned none
The list will go as
Then they came for -all the semis
Then they came for all the lever and bolt actions
Then they came for "sniper rifles"(scoped bolt action rifles)
They they came for...........................................noth ing will be left in 20 years.
Maybe-just maybe,single shots,muzzleloaders,and break and hinge guns.
BUT
That will depend on the amount of distraction needed and/or potential Public votes gained from those steps above.
Let's try and stay on point here.
So from what I can see. Centerfire - Semi Auto, with detachable box type mags that can exceed 5 rounds.
Most shotguns don't qualify, except for some of the Derya etc.
Most hunting rifles don't qualify ( Remington 740, Browning BAR). In fact most of the centerfire rifles that fall under the new amendment were already specified in the original OIC. Possibly changing the language so industry can't pivot and produce "new" models with different names?
A stock SKS likely wouldn't qualify, as stock, production rifles do not have a detachable mag.
Rimfire isn't included.
Just a stupid question, but instead of banning certain guns why don't they re-define the guns that are in each of the three current brackets (Prohib, restricted, non-restricted). They use this method with some tax rules as it is easier to change the inclusions/exclusions than to change a governing rule. At least that way we would be left with a certain class of guns available, seems we are heading to 100% elimination of modern hunting tools.
Also, how did these changes become ratified? As I understand, they did not pass through parliament?
740s and 742s can both take 8 round magazines
Not to digress too much on this one. But if the stock rifle as made. has a detachable box for 4 rounds. AND anything exceeding 5 rounds can't be imported in already.....am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
I could be wrong, I took it as any Semi Auto, that could take a magazine over 5 rounds. Hope I’m wrong.
The expansion of the list of banned guns will massively increase the compensation cost to government. It will be billions. Non-gun owners might not care about guns but they will care very much that government is pissing away billions of dollars buying guns from law-abiding citizens instead of putting it to health care.
Hey well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Even know other places need the cash the cash aint the issues more of a policy thing.
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Re Remington 740-742(and others)here is the excerpt from the very proposal/posted by OOD Forum a short while ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
A federal amendment to Bill C-21 proposes to ban any semi-auto shotgun or centrefire rifle “designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed.”
Therefore-ANY gun (they can claim)which by design can accept larger detachable magazines then 5 rounds ( which by the way is a redundant repeat of the already existing ban on NO MORE then 5 round magazines for semi auto rifles) will be banned.
The redundancy in the new proposal and the "elastic"wording leads to no other belief.
The amendment is silent with respect to compensation. I suspect that will cause some concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
If the firearm is of a design that will accept a mag greater than 5 rounds, they will be prohibited, as it’s written now. There are 10 round mags out there that will fit into a 740, as an example. I’m glad I held off buying a Benelli MR1, which will take a 10 round LAR mag….they are on the prohib list…Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
LOL That sounds like a good ploy if your going to place your gun in a safe and leave it there, if your going afield the first OPP spot check or CO encounter and you might have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
The OPP dive team might help you after all you have obeyed the law and reported that firearm missing as required?Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
Then it gets settled in court. There is long and well established legal precedent in Canada that while government can take your property in the public interest it can't do so without fair compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
There will be many Police and CO's that will not enforce it, I know there are many in NS.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I hope so, I have a hankering for a new bolt action rifle and if the government wants to chip in for it I,am good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Well GW we aint in NS and even under a Conservative Provincial Government we now have this requirement to carry out firearms license that we did not have to do under the past Liberal Provincial Governments and that would be the same Provincial Government that re instated the Spring bear Hunt after the previous Conservative Government took it away from us.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
What’s all the hoopla about? Why get all worked up over something the next government in power will tear down and reverse. Nothing ever really gets accomplished.
Bad guys will get guns anyway possible. Crimes will be committed and the uneducated public will fuss. Government will overreact to make it look like they’re doing something. Good guys (us) will continue to complain without results. Once all the legal guns are taken away, who will be left to blame for gun crimes? Maybe then people will wake up.
[QUOTE=Birdbuff;1206087]What’s all the hoopla about? Why get all worked up over something the next government in power will tear down and reverse. Nothing ever really gets accomplished.
The problem these day's is the next government in power won't be able to tear down and reverse this as the Liberal media won't let them. If they reverse any gun laws when the next shooting occurs the media will be all over it saying "look what they did" and that government will be overthrown. TC
First of all they named the SKS specifically along with (apparently) 22 other firearms. Secondly according to this new definition of a "Prohibited Firearm" rimfires will definitely be included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
The definition of “Prohibited Firearm” will be legislatively expanded to include any firearm “capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy exceeding 10 000 Joules”, “a firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater” as well as all semi-automatic long guns with detachable magazines. TC
[QUOTE=trky chsr;1206088]Overwhelm the public with statistics and truth. Then let the media do with it what they will. It’s high time that reality and logic start guiding law makers instead of popularity and image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
Never had a CO ask to see my PAL. Was never asked if mine were registered.
Asked once and he said he didn't care. Only cared about my license.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
The OPP is too busy now to do things like take firearms in for destruction. I've called my local detachment about one that I would like rid of and never heard back. I know that an auction house has a few for disposal and the staff were complaining they can't get the OPP to pick them up. I wouldn't worry about the OPP dive team searching for guns dropped in lakes unless they are part of an investigation into a serious crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Source please?Quote:
Originally Posted by trky chsr
Because other than fear mongering, I haven't had anyone actually publish a definitive link to any "list". Everything is conjecture.
Beware of what you read. Originally the CCFR published that in included the GSG-15, GSG-16, SKS etc....however, that hasn't been qualified by anyone to date with actual published data.
Been checked twice by the same CO and yes she did ask all of the hunters for our firearms licenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Wishful thinking is not the best strategy IMHO, I remember numerous folks getting caught with their pants down when the firearms act came in and many did not think they would be asked for a license on their way up to Moose camp. Got checked and gun seized, season ruined. I remember getting stopped on Highway 28 south of Apsley in a spot check supposedly for impaired drivers but everybody asked for firearms license as it was the day before opening rifle season. Picking up a few guns from an auction house would simply not be a big priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
The comment about the dive team was more to highlight that simply saying your gun got lost is a smart idea, its not as you have to report such to the Police and it gets recorded on CPIC. If the serial number ever pops up on a check in any manner questions will be asked.
OOD's news item (we'll be updating this regularly as more details are released):
https://oodmag.com/new-proposal-would-ban-some-semi-auto-rifles-and-shotguns/
A federal government amendment to firearms Bill C-21 proposes to ban some semi-auto shotguns and/or centrefire rifles.
Both you and I know that the gun control issue is a vote getter for the two main political parties and depending on which way the wind is blowing might help get you elected Stephen Harper played the pro gun lobby and won several elections over it. But its a risky game balancing the rural/urban voting blocks and how you will come out looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
With 600 mass shootings in the USA this year alone, our own tragic events and the demographics, immigrants coming into Canada many from war torn countries and urban shootings which side might win is very hard to call. Now that we have the sceptre of violence and possible use of firearms in our recent
Alberta incidents I believe the Canadian public is very wary on the firearms issue.
https://youtu.be/RhqL1EgFktc
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The public couldn't care less how much tax money gets pee'd away as long as the free money keeps flowing and no one has to work. This is the Canada we've become where politicians buy off the media in favor of positive coverage no matter how corrupt they get (control the message,control the agenda) or which foreign entity influences the decision making process. There's still 3 years left in a pro-communist Liberal/NDP coalition government that's hell-bent on destroying what's left of the national fabric and most Canadians couldn't give a rat's a**. I have a lot more years behind me than I have in front of me,so,by the time this country has the Hammer & Sickle flag flying over Ottawa I'll likely be pushing daisies,but,it will fly eventually. The march to liberal totalitarianism is and has been relentless. I hold out ZERO hope for my kids and grand children. They'll pay very dearly for allowing the Liberals a free hand completely unfettered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Well my friend this is a massive over reaction to what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
#1 Most people in Canada are working and there is no free money flowing around.
#2 The media cannot control the narrative, that is why we have an enquiry ongoing where everybody has been on the stand giving sworn evidence and being cross examined right in front of your own eyes.
#3 Most Canadians do give a rat's , that is why we all get out and vote in the various elections.
#4 If we had a hammer and sickle you would not have been able to occupy the Capital of the Country for numerous weeks and closed down borders, in a totally communist country those folks would have been shot or imprisoned.
#5 I am very optimistic for the future of Canada and for our kids and the World agrees with me as everybody wants to come here.
#6 The reason you have a Liberal coalition is because of the faults in the Conservatives.
The Conservatives who are the party of law and order, sided with occupiers and unlawful protesters, took THOUSANDS OF POLICE OFFICERS out of their communities across the whole of Canada to deal with their childish behaviour.
The Conservatives who are fiscally able yet are completely hopeless, witness Great Britain going down the drain under consecutive Conservative Governments.
A Conservative leader in Canada who thinks investing in bit coin is a policy, the same guy being great on criticism and EXTREMELY short on ideas or policy.
The Conservatives are going down the same road as the Trump supporters and you can see what is happening to them in the last round of elections.
There are no Liberals I know who have changed their voting preference and their are probably a lot of moderates and law and order folks who will be voting Liberal next time around. If the Liberals have what you describe as a free hand completely unfettered its because THE CONSERVATIVES CANNOT GET THEIR CHIT TOGETHER EITHER HERE OR IN EUROPE.
Bang on again Trimmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Fellas, the writing has been on the wall for quite some time, since 1993 and likely well before that.
if you haven’t join an advocacy group (CCFR/CSSA) then what are you waiting for ? We need voices, well funded, like the NRA.
there were a few on here, who have mostly gone into hiding, that used to describe some of us as “alarmist” after reading warnings about our Liberal governments intentions and the risks of totalitarian government. Those people are eating their words now.
x2 bang on trimmerQuote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
For the benefit of those who want it. The list currently before committee.
Bear in mind, that this is on addition to the original OIC.
As mentioned, it would appear that it's going off the basis of operation, rather than make / model. As when the OIC was first introduced, the industry was quite quick to identify gaps, and models that weren't affected.
Yes, Simonov SKS, and all variants are included. As are rimfires like GSG-15, and 16.
https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/...1/the-list.pdf
BLUF:Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
They aren't in hiding. They chose to become overly insulting and disrespectful to others and mods. They were booted.
Which I why I genuinely try to keep convo on point. Let's also remember that these forums are read by a lot of the general public.
Cheers.
Slightly embellished but I’m sure you’re not alone in your thoughts. I’m just not into the doomsday vibe. People as a whole decide what happens for better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
And it appears every Benelli semi-automatic shotgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
No, the common Benelli sporting models are listed as exceptions to the prohibitions.
It’s as if the govt recruited a panel of lay people to look at pictures of every single gun available and Cherry pick for prohibition anything that looked remotely black and scary.
I stand corrected. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
The list actually contains a lot of Benelli shotguns, that are semi-auto, and not to be included on the list because they were modified. But at first blush it looks like they might be if all you're doing is searching the document.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
I missed the part about them being excluded. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
The list I read has Benelli SBE and Vinci as prohibsQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Will Remington 742’s be prohibited?
I wanted to buy the Rugger Ranch rifle in 223 and they banned that. I was going to buy the rugger carbine 22lr from Canadian Tire after Xmas as a gift to my self as I have 600 in Canadian Tire money, guess no point in doing that.
I guarantee you every semi auto will be banned (ALL of them) if Trudeau is re-elected again and pumps will also go, leaving only bolt action.
My youngest the son who hunts with me is 17, I guarantee that by the time he is 50 at best only single shot will be available from future Liberal / NDP governments.
I know I will get yelled at for saying this but if you vote Liberal / NDP next election you are 150% voting to ban guns, please turn yours in now then.
If you vote for the Peoples Party by Mad Max again your helping to ban guns.
You must vote Conservative if not please turned in your guns as you are deliberately voting to help ban them.
I believe 742’s, 740’s are in the list
Greatwhite, I thought it was only centrefire? 22lr should be fine
Is the SKS on the list?
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rodmcd
Folks, this is big. You cannot just look at the list alone, as it is an amendment to a schedule.
You also have to look at the amendment to the body of the bill, that would prohibit any centre-fire semi-auto that could “accept” a mag of more than 5 rounds. This part is open to interpretation. There are aftermarket high capacity mags out there made for the Rem 740/742/7400. It will “accept” them.
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So GW what is the Conservative plan for these firearms exactly if they get in power.
Face it any manufacturer that has manufactured capable 10,000 joules gun is banned from top down to 22 down to their bb model
The Conservative plan as stated,is to repeal and rescind The Firearms Act in it's entirety and to amend The Criminal Code firearms section to something,at least,resembling common sense. Well,that's what they said..............
Well we know what your liberals will do.
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They will push through royal consent. But how long of a amnesty will they give us. Months or years ?
Ninepointer - This is where I'm concerned as many shotguns will "accept" an extended magazine and its not a far stretch from a removable magazine. I'm not sure what to think of this whole situation. I wish I had a better understanding and could do something meaningful to stop this nonsense.
Hey,Gilroy,your favorite rifle just made the "list". What are using for a back-up?
I beleive the SKS was banned by name. The issue as I see it is the very open interpretation of "capable of accepting". This would cover virtually any removable magazine centrefire rifle, Remington 742/7400 included as they are "capable of accepting", Browning Bar Mark 3, also "capable of accepting". I also beleive the late introduction of the amendment without parlimentary discussion was to "change the channel" on coverage of the 12 Liberal MP's who were assisted in getting elected by the Chinese Goverment,
Most shotguns take more then 3 shells with only a wooden dowel preventing you from loading more.
GW I was thinking more about the thread on tube extensions that allow them to accept 8-10 shells.
Although they are already prohibited in Canada by the magazine capacity restrictions. (I believe)
This going to be the biggest fight ever in Canadian history over gun rights in Canada… these are our tools for our trade and I’ve use my guns for more then just killing game if they want try and take my tools away I will stand up and fight for my right too keep my tools so the ones on here that think this no big deal or have no idea how to deal with this issue please go too the OFAH and CFFR and CSSA there are links there that will let you write letters Emails too your local M.P I’ve sent email to the ofah about trying get a rally going in Ottawa with all members of the OFAH in the new year January or February we need to as hunters and sport shooters take this head on immediately we all sat back and watch them froze handguns and other assault style guns without any reaction from hunters or sport shooters now they are coming for more if you do not want to have say in this or don’t think it’s big deal please drop your firearm off to your local police station and surrender it
trimmer,
Well partner you know I,am a one shot guy so any old bolt action would be fine by me, the only reason I ever bought a semi auto was because I was at a camp where we used hounds and a fast follow up shots might be needed. As the guys have said its all about the interpretation. In any event I am not at all worried.
Might even get me into cross bow hunting and a big extended season, I could have pretty well dropped a doe on opening day of bow season.
fatfish,
"This going to be the biggest fight ever in Canadian history over gun rights in Canada… these are our tools for our trade and I’ve use my guns for more then just killing game if they want try and take my tools away I will stand up and fight for my right too keep my tools so the ones on here that think this no big deal or have no idea how to deal with this issue please go too the OFAH and CFFR and CSSA there are links there that will let you write letters Emails too your local M.P "I’ve sent email to the ofah about trying get a rally going in Ottawa with all members of the OFAH in the new year January or February we need to as hunters and sport shooters take this head on immediately we all sat back and watch them froze handguns and other assault style guns without any reaction from hunters or sport shooters now they are coming for more if you do not want to have say in this or don’t think it’s big deal please drop your firearm off to your local police station and surrender it"
I do not agree that hunters and sports shooters sat back and watch it happen, this was an ELECTION issue in the last general election and JUSTIN put the proposition right on the ballot. Alberta and the western Provinces voted en mass to try and defeat this and LOST.
What makes you think on the political landscape that Canadians would vote you way. I can give you some reasons they will vote against you.
Fear of allowing folks like those in the so called freedom convoy getting easy access to guns.
Fear of mass shootings as they witness in the USA 600 this year, the blame going back to Republicans and their policy of backing the NRA.(think NS shootings)
Fear of Urban violence which occurs on a daily basis.
You might not know this but the recent elections won by the Democrats in the USA was because the Gen x and Millennium's being fed up with gun violence got out and voted for the Democrats, so there was no Red tide Republican wave. If Liberals in Canada can tap into that voting block in the next general election watch out.
Fear of allowing folks like those in the so called freedom convoy getting easy access to guns.
I see you get your point of views via MSM
Gilroy, That's not what you said several years ago. If I recall you said something along the lines that most of your firearms were semi and you didn't believe they would ever be banned. Seems to me your just changing your tune to fit. So far everything I predicted is coming to a head. As I have said before by the time my son is 50 ALL Firearms will be banned and there will be none. Allan Rock once stated that the goal of the Liberals was to eventually ban 100% all Firearms.
So, I have been really trying to interpret this. My personal take on this is that 742/7400s are not prohibited because they were designed to accept a 4 shot magazine. There are no “legal” magazines that can be adapted to fit this platform. Some rifles, like the benelli are designed to accept LAR magazines (legal and a capacity of 10) to get around this. I believe there are others that accept glock mags which are also legal and have a 10 shot capacity. Again, this is how I read this…
For the guys worried about shotgun tube mags, have a closer read. The law speaks to box mags. This seems to be an attempt to restrict platforms that can charge higher capacity mags and be reloaded rapidly. Only John Wick can load a tube mag fast enough to be a concern.
GW.
NO GW your back to your Old Tricks about saying something that is not accurate.
So no MOST OF MY GUNS are not semi auto,s my main hunting rifle is. I did say that I did not believe semi autos would be banned as that means a total ban and we are not at that stage. So I have not changed my tune.
You have been predicting for at least 10 years that the sky was falling and we would lose our semi autos, to date that has not happened and EVERY GUN I HAVE HAD FOR THE PAST 40 years I STILL HAVE.
I believe there is NO POSSIBILITY that by the time your son is 50 years old all guns will be banned.
Allan Rock is long gone and policies change as do priorities.
dilly,
So, I have been really trying to interpret this. My personal take on this is that 742/7400s are not prohibited because they were designed to accept a 4 shot magazine. There are no “legal” magazines that can be adapted to fit this platform. Some rifles, like the benelli are designed to accept LAR magazines (legal and a capacity of 10) to get around this. I believe there are others that accept glock mags which are also legal and have a 10 shot capacity. Again, this is how I read this…
For the guys worried about shotgun tube mags, have a closer read. The law speaks to box mags. This seems to be an attempt to restrict platforms that can charge higher capacity mags and be reloaded rapidly. Only John Wick can load a tube mag fast enough to be a concern."
I believe your right.
Hardman;1206221 Fear of allowing folks like those in the so called freedom convoy getting easy access to guns.
I see you get your point of views via MSM"
My points of view comes with critical thinking.
I’m surprised that I’m still seeing ridiculous asking prices on Gun Nutz for semis that will be banned if this new law passes. People still asking $1500 for sks and svt40, $1200 for Swede m42. I thought you’d see bargain prices with everyone panicking to dump what they have. Will the M1 Garand be illegal under the the new reg definitions?
Here’s the thing government said you take this gun course your good to buy a gun
Then they start prohibiting same guns they told us where legal to purchase and use
They cant just say tomorrow your a criminal they have to give us a amnesty period
So they can tell the anti gun people we banned/prohibited every gun in Canada vote for us
While they can tell us you have a infinite amnesty period holding this over PC heads next election
From what I can tell the 740s/742s/7400s are fine because in Canada they can’t take mags over 4 rounds they don’t exist here.
Well even the Ruger No 1 has been banned.
So they banned the Mossberg Tactical Plinkster but the plinkster itself is OK. There the same gun but a different stock. Wow Liberals are Morons. They actually believe that a gun stock makes a gun more powerful.
Gw where are you seeing this list?
Ruger #1? I didn’t see that anywhere.
Found the list. Yes, Garand and Ljungmann Ag42b now ilegal. Surprised to see Benelli Super Black Eagle shotgun on there. That’s going to upset a lot of deer and duck hunters. Glad i don’t have a $2300 shotgun that is going to be seized by the first CO who field checks you. even better will be thr criminal record and charge that goes along with it. Looks like all the Weatherby safari bolt actions are toast as well due to the power rating.
I think you need to look more closely. The SBE is “exempt”
Like I said all guns will be banned by the time my 17 year old son is 50.
thanks Dilly. I just dragged to the bottom and missed the exemptions
I dodged it this time thanks to the exemptions x2. Who knows what will come next.... I bought mine planning to use them for a lifetime.
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its never been more true
""Fear of allowing folks like those in the so called freedom convoy getting easy access to guns.
Fear of mass shootings as they witness in the USA 600 this year, the blame going back to Republicans and their policy of backing the NRA.(think NS shootings)
Fear of Urban violence which occurs on a daily basis.""
Not to go into debate ,or challenge You-but None of the above is actually factual and supported by any meaningful(and unbiased ) data ,which would squarely prove that the legal gun owners are the BIG problem-but part of a masterly executed action plan from the left, supported by strong and timely Propaganda .
The only true in this other vise sad story (impacting only the innocent, law abiding ,and in great majority very peaceful Canadians is)that the Left never hid their intentions.
After some extensive reading the 740s/742s/7400s, aren’t on the list. I was wondering why there are so many already banned guns on the list like the tommy gun, AR-15, RPG-7, Chinese mortar type 53, and several more.
Attachment 44328Just wrote my local MP every one on here that’s complaining (fairly so) should do the same. Also for those who were wondering about the ruger number one, it’s on the list.
I don’t own any semi-auto firearms. Some people in my position might sit back and not care which is tragic. IMHO, the list of banned firearms will continue to grow to include any repeating firearm then all firearms.
The basic rules in politics are: cling to power at all costs, if an issue doesn’t exist then create one, and never waste an opportunity to capitalize on an issue. These rules apply to all parties (I’m non-partisan). Unfortunately the average citizen has the attention span the length of a sound bite so in their minds guns = violence and less guns in the world is a good thing. Try talking common sense to these people and their eyes will glaze over.
Since firearm owners are a minority, this will be a tough battle to win but we still need to fight.
Gilroy,
Do you have standards or limits? Or just go along with everything liberals do? What if they want to ban bolt guns or crossbows in the future? You going to say I could have hit a deer with a spear last week
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What’s the status of the act revisions? Has it been passed and is it now law? Go to GunNutz and you’ll see tons of illegal guns now for sale . What are the legal implications for the seller and buyer right now? Can’t believe people still expect $3000 for a Garand that’s on the new banned list.
The Ruger #1 is listed on page 440. You have to look at the paragraph the precedes what ever list you are looking at. That gives you a tighter definition and, I believe, only includes those chambered in a cartridge capable of shooting a projectile with over 10000 joules of energy.
notice it is surrounded by rifles chambered in 50BMG.
Fenlon, it’s not law yet. I agree with you too. I saw an SPAS 12 listed for $10,000
The Ruger #1 is listed under Section 96, (z.1011). The regulation is unclear whether it pertains to all models or just those firing a round over 10k joules.
My interpretation is that it only refers to the #1 chambered in 458Lott, 460mag and 700 nitro…
That’s just me though….
Yet the Liberals claim this bill will help curve gun crime, I don’t think the gang bangers are using single shot 700 nitros in their gang wars.
I interpret it to mean in calibers over 10,000 joules too but the amendment is unclear. It just says "Ruger #1." It doesn't say, "Ruger #1 in .XXX caliber."
Ashes1;1206266]Gilroy,
"Do you have standards or limits? Or just go along with everything liberals do? What if they want to ban bolt guns or crossbows in the future? You going to say I could have hit a deer with a spear last week"
Yes, I obey the laws of the land as passed by a democratically elected government, that is the standard.
I don't own any semi-automatics,either. The last one was a Remmie 742 I bought from an estate many years ago,kept it for a couple of seasons then flipped it for another bolt gun (my favorites). Has anyone actually shot a rifle that generates 10K joules of energy? They kill at both ends,shoulder separation 'R Us,besides,we don't have Elephants in this country. What really galls me the most,though,is the BS about the entire ideologically-driven nonsense that the very concept of gun control is all about public safety. Of all the disingenuous,dishonest and dishonorable hog wash,that takes the cake. For that reason alone,firearms owners have no choice to oppose everything Liberal,no matter what it is,because everything they've said and done since taking office is nothing but "spin" propaganda from a bought-and-paid-for media or an outright blatant pack of lies.
Gilroy
Bill C21 was not passed democratically
trimmer,
"I don't own any semi-automatics,either. The last one was a Remmie 742 I bought from an estate many years ago,kept it for a couple of seasons then flipped it for another bolt gun (my favorites). Has anyone actually shot a rifle that generates 10K joules of energy? They kill at both ends,shoulder separation 'R Us,besides,we don't have Elephants in this country. What really galls me the most,though,is the BS about the entire ideologically-driven nonsense that the very concept of gun control is all about public safety. Of all the disingenuous,dishonest and dishonorable hog wash,that takes the cake. For that reason alone,firearms owners have no choice to oppose everything Liberal,no matter what it is,because everything they've said and done since taking office is nothing but "spin" propaganda from a bought-and-paid-for media or an outright blatant pack of lies."
I am pretty sure that you swore off posting anything of a POLITICAL NATURE a very short time ago. LOL
I just knew that Uncle Bill would never take Uncle Gilroy's 742 .
In the event he does I am sure I will get enough compensation to buy a real nice Bolt Action.
You don’t have to be partisan to disagree with the liberals I’m non partisan but facts are facts. Since the liberals have been in violent crime, inflation, and emissions are up. Their carbon tax and gun grabs have done nothing to help, but have robbed lawful responsible gun owners of their firearms, and put many people in a bad financial spot.
I still can't reply with a post,but,yeah,I needed a break for a while. Uncle Bill................now,that's funny right there. ROFL
"Yes, I obey the laws of the land as passed by a democratically elected government, that is the standard."
So when they say jump you say how high ?
If the law they are making is silly and is not justified its all ok because a minority government told you its a good thing to do?. It does absolutely nothing to continually bann these guns.
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fishfood,
"So when they say jump you say how high ?
If the law they are making is silly and is not justified its all ok because a minority government told you its a good thing to do?. It does absolutely nothing to continually bann these guns."
Well let me flip this on you, I liked the long gun registry for a whole bunch of reasons and the money had been spent. To me it was silly and not justified to scrap the registry. It was silly for Conservative voters to believe the Liberals would take this sitting down. I told you all so right on this forum.
So we are now in this situation, I am pretty sure the Liberals know full well that if they upset gun owners but mostly hunters and farmers they will suffer in an election.
So they have chosen to walk a fine line and keep most normal hunting type firearms legal, 742 for example and banned others.
Gilroy
please define "normal hunting gun"?
Whatever Big Daddy Trudeau tells him it is clearly.
Seriously though guys I've been eating a pound of leather a day trying to get used to the taste. Can anyone who already loves it please reccomend a particular brand of boot that they find tasty?
/s just in case you weren't sure.
Many people use the sks as a hunting rifle because it’s cheap and it use’s cheap ammo.
Do you support this bill Gilroy? If so why? Is it because you think it will reduce gun violence, or is just because it’s from the liberals?
Every time I see a new ban list I'm grateful to Stephen Harper for disbanding the gun registry. It's harder to for governments to confiscate guns when it doesn't know where they are and who owns them.
DanE;1206292]Gilroy
please define "normal hunting gun"?[/QUOTE]
Well considering what is happening my opinion and even yours of what a "normal hunting gun" might or might not be is irrelevant.
What is relevant is what the "general voting public" accepts as a normal hunting gun because that is what they might vote to ban or might not.
So the pro gun lobby have been making the big mistake for years, instead of the various organisations beating up the Liberals they should be educating the public with a massive media campaign and maybe highlighting normal hunting guns.
Under estimating the public's ability to differentiate between various types of firearms is a mistake made time and time again by Conservatives.
The winners in this game are the Liberals who then simply tell the public what firearms are more a danger.
Badenoch;1206296]Every time I see a new ban list I'm grateful to Stephen Harper for disbanding the gun registry. It's harder to for governments to confiscate guns when it doesn't know where they are and who owns them.[/QUOTE]
A bit shortsighted if you plan to be afield with any of your guns, on the other hand if you keep them in a safe and never take them out you might be OK.
Mind you ex wife's and nasty BIL's or neighbours could still screw you up.
Gilroy
you are a fantastic example of a liberal
asked a basic question and answer something completely different
let's try one more time what's a normal hunting gun
740, 7400, 752’s are all to be banned.
They don’t have to be on the “list”. They fit into the general definition of a prohibited weapon…..
Is this your interpretation Rick, or is this officially from the government?
The definition includes basically a semi that can “accept” a mag of over 5 rounds. It’s a broad interpretation, but basically anything with a mag well, could “accept” an over cap. mag. I watched a vid from Ian Runkle, firearms lawyer, who said the same thing… you can find his vid on the CCFR site…..some firearms don’t fit into the “detachable magazine” part such as the SKS, so they specifically mentioned those firearms….
Just a thought. Instead of the on going banter aimed at each other, why not use the energy to brainstorm ideas on how to educate the general public on firearms. We are our own worst enemy.
My idea is to go right to the heart of gun crime areas (Jane & finch, Scarborough, etc.) and some how setup a kiosk for residents in that area to participate in a hunter education program. We could get hunters ed. teachers to volunteer and go over the same things we all learned. Maybe ofah could get involved and highlight the values of hunting and conservation. Maybe get some farmers out there to explain how much crop damage can occur without population controls. We must have some olympians that could express the sporting aspect of firearms. Get some historians in the mix to highlight the use of firearms for domestic purposes. Have a few statisticians on hand to make clear the likeliness of a ban working to prevent gun crime. Bring in some border agents to do seminars on how illegal guns get into our country.
We can’t win this fight without swaying public opinion. And we can’t sway public opinion from our high horses. Sure we can complain to each other and complain and lobby the government, but public sentiment carry’s weight.
Gilroy,
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect your right to express yours. I’m curious though, are you not concerned about the latest round of prohibition? Do you think that the government will stop their agenda with semi-autos or will they continue until all firearms are banned? At what point do you say enough?
Bang on birdbuff. Some adds explaining the Canadian firearms program, storage laws, and how every firearm owner is checked for criminal records and mental health.
A quote from Allan Rock
"I came to Ottawa with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers."
Allan Rock
Thanks Rick. I wasn’t trying to be a smartarse, just wondering if there was a lawyer who is officially interpreting it.
Trimmer.
There should be a registry just like a vehicle , pet or a fish hut. Maybe a small fee to cover the cost. The law shouldn't take advantage of it that's all.
As it stands now most would be able to get a gun for what ever reason without a license faster than going the legal way. That's the problem. As the population grows so will the crimes. Legal guns are not the problem it's the illegal ones that are the problem it's the illegal ones out doing the killings. Law abiding citizens are not the problem law abiding citizens guns are the problem.
More crossbow attacks than AR attacks in Canada. Problem? Yes but we can't blame the tools used from some wing nut.
As we saw with the nova Scotia incident a good chunk of his artillery was criminal activity came from another country illegally.
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Rick
I believe they talked about the clip and mag during the first round of talks . If it can accept a mag it could make the list. Again it would already be illegal to own extended mags in Canada.
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Dilly….. no worries..
Fishfood…. generally that was the case. Semis were limited to 5. However, there were a few, the Benelli MR1, for one, that would accept a 10 round LAR pistol mag, and be legal. They obviously closed up that loophole. I almost bought one for yotes but I figured the lyin’ Libranos would outlaw semis…..
Sam Menard;1206315]Gilroy,
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect your right to express yours. I’m curious though, are you not concerned about the latest round of prohibition? Do you think that the government will stop their agenda with semi-autos or will they continue until all firearms are banned? At what point do you say enough?[
Hi Sam,
No I am not worried in the least the Liberals will not ban all guns as that would be a politically stupid move IMHO. They will walk the line between keeping MOST hunters happy and keeping the general population happy.
I’m thinking my ruger 243 bolt trap door is gone my sako bolt 270 trap door is gone sks is gone my Winchester bolt 22-250 trap door is ok
Levers ok?
Shrugs
My Uncle (85) and my cousin have many regular old fire arms that make that list.
Funny thing is neither have the internet and will never know. Not a single CO out that way will ever enforce it.
The SKS is listed. The bolts should be ok as they don’t have a detachable mag, and are not semi’s. …….so far !!
Gilroy said “ No I am not worried in the least the Liberals will not ban all guns as that would be a politically stupid move IMHO. They will walk the line between keeping MOST hunters happy and keeping the general population happy.”
Interesting take however I don’t share your confidence. I am really not surprised with banning all semi-autos as, basically, the only difference between all of them is their appearance. IMO the semi-auto ban wasn’t a last minute add-on, but was a calculated move that had been in the drawer all along . There is a strategy at play here and once the public realizes that gun crimes keep happening, the government will move on to the next round of prohibition… it’s not going to stop. It’s about numbers and physical evidence e.g. “The government of Canada prohibited, and thereby removed 50,000, firearms that “could” have ended up in the hands of a criminal.” This statement is easy to understand, whereas “The government of Canada is spending $50million on programs to reduce gang violence and on mental health problems” is less tangible and results are difficult to illustrate. Have you noticed that when the police make a big seizure they show photos of the guns, money, and drugs seized? It’s about shock and awe and photos easily tell a story.
Would still like to know Gilroy, so you support this ban? If so, is it because you think it will help prevent gun violence, or is it because it’s from the liberals?
Billions of spending they can't account for throughout the pandemic yet can trace an Ottawa police officer from Ottawa that donated $55 to the convoy and charge her with discreditable conduct. Have some trust in these people!!!!
hunter06;1206345]"Would still like to know Gilroy, so you support this ban? If so, is it because you think it will help prevent gun violence, or is it because it’s from the liberals?
Let me first say I do not like how these bans are put in place, its undemocratic and all this legislation should be debated in Parliament.
Its hard for me to say I support the ban's as we do not know for sure exactly what all guns will be included. I think the Liberals are going to do their their best to try and prevent any more mass shootings that have occurred even although the gun was only the tool used. I think the Conservative voters instead of being against everything the Liberals propose should encourage their elected politicians to work co operatively with the government of the day.
All this F u Tru stuff does nothing for us hunters and gun owners.
warpipe;1206348]Billions of spending they can't account for throughout the pandemic yet can trace an Ottawa police officer from Ottawa that donated $55 to the convoy and charge her with discreditable conduct. Have some trust in these people!!!!
If we get to the stage where sworn Police officers decide to enforce the law only at certain times and against certain groups we will be in big trouble.
In my time in policing she would probably have been fired on the spot.
As for the billions of not accounted for I am sure the auditor general will figure all that out.
JT and his band can keep on banning all they want. None of my unregistered semi's will be surrendered ever!!!
There are 10 and 20 round box magazines available for the 742.
That is all.
Terrible_E;1206370]There are 10 and 20 round box magazines available for the 742.
That is all.[/QUOTE]
Possession of these would already be illegal and they have zero use in a hunting situation, well for most normal hunters.
If the gun manufacturers would stop playing their little games we would not all be in this situation.
You're actually going to blame this mess on the gun manufactures?
ever tried reading UN agenda 2030 and actually educating yourself rather than turning on the CBC
DanE;1206375]You're actually going to blame this mess on the gun manufactures?
ever tried reading UN agenda 2030 and actually educating yourself rather than turning on the CBC[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure its "common knowledge" that gun manufacturers play with their designs to get around laws in various jurisdictions, I am very surprised as a gun owner you do not know this fact. Mind you if your stuck on Rebel News you probably miss this type of information.
Warpipe,I wasn't aware of an Ottawa officer,but,I'm very aware of a Durham Region officer who was charged with discreditable conduct for making a financial contribution and publishing a pro-convoy video on Facebook while in uniform which was a big mistake that nearly cost her her job.
Gilroy
that's like blaming the spoon for being fat
time to wake up
Are those 742 mags available in Canada?
I could see it being an issue if they modified the 7400 to take LAR mags….but I think the issue is still yet to be settled.
"a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centrefire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed"
I see no mention of availability.
The key phrase is "designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges." How this is interpreted when it comes to the Remington semi-autos is an open question.
[COLOR=#000000]Designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges
A good lawyer in the Court of Law would be able to twist this back rather easily-one would need to prove the intention of the design.
More or less-while i can not prove,and it is juts my guess,these guns accept larger magazines-since the magazines were designed to fit them guns.
But then -in the case of a Court order,the Law can /will be be modified,new wording.........and the whole hoopla would be for nothing...........Law abiding citizens would loose yet again.
I would highly recommend that everyone watch Trudeau and poillievre debate in question period today in the House of Commons over bill c21 and it’s amendments
Can you send a link ? Can’t see it on YouTube
Single shot Ruger #1s will be banned. I do not respect anyone that defends or will vote for either party of the current coalition.
73hunter; Can you send a link ? Can’t see it on YouTube[/QUOTE]
I don’t think all Ruger #1s are banned. Only 3 in a calibre that is over 10,000 joules of energy.
Sorry guys won’t let me add the link a lot easier on quinte fish forum to add link…YouTube look up under ccfr or just look up question period Canada on you tube
Page 303, no mention of caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilly
I think it’s stuck in the and variants of. Like most weatherbyQuote:
Originally Posted by dilly
You have to read the paragraph that precedes what ever list you are on. It’s not enough to just find a model on the document and automatically assume it’s doomed.Quote:
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That said, I am not in favour of this move. I think it’s ridiculous. I’m just trying to keep it real because I have some people I know totally losing their minds due to inaccurate information.
IMO, this is a big “false flag” by Liberal back-room strategist types. They want to casually change the channel from the ESA inquiry and insert one of their go-to wedge issues into the followers. They want to seem reasonable and make gun owners and CPC people look like looney MAGA people. The CPC party needs to play it cool and just stick to facts and data. PM Trudeau is already getting sound bites on TV claiming the CPC “is in the pocket of The US gun lobby”. We know that is BS, but the average numpty Canadian thinks it’s true.
I agree with your last paragraph. I also read the paragraph in the bill that precedes it. The ruger no 1 will be banned by name. This is not inaccurate information. Even if you were remotely correct, would you walk into the bush with a number 1 under 10k joules knowing some know it all cop could put you through the wringer. Thousands in court cost’s because our extremely incompetent government is “making our streets safer”.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilly
They list the models of firearms that produce a caliber that can exceed the 10,000 joule energy restriction, without listing the actual caliber. All the details in the bill regarding Weatherby simply state "Weatherby Mark V". There are about 10 or so calibers available in Weatherby Mark V, but only one that I've seen that would be illegal based on the energy it produces. So why isn't it listed specifically by caliber, instead of being ambiguous and only stating a model name? DelmerQuote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
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The legislation is very poorly written. There is no need to list the individual models of rifles firing rounds over 10,000 joules and even if that were their intent they missed several. Westley Richards and Stephen Grant rifles are listed but none from Holland & Holland or Purdey both of which produced rifles in chamberings that exceed the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
While they probably mean only the listed rifles in the specific chamberings I wouldn't depend on some copper in Northern Ontario knowing the difference.
I dont want to derail this thread - but perhaps if more provinces put pressure on the Feds for their blatant over reach of power (on many fronts, they'll start to back down on these ridiculous OIC's and gun bans theyre pushing on us peasants)
Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada Act
Bill 1 has been introduced to allow Alberta to fight harmful federal laws and defend the constitutional federal-provincial division of powers.
Danielle Smith is exactly what Canadian Politics needs right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by kokes
we just need someone to step up in Ontario because Doug Ford isn't that guy (wolf in sheep's clothing)
Be careful what you wish for.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanE
I agree with the sentiment, but I believe that criminal matters are exclusively the responsibility of the federal government ?Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
Why Sam?-not challenging,just wondering what can be wrong ?Quote:
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Not familiar with D Smith at all,other then she stood up to the overwhelming BS from Ottawa.
Premier Smith is already finding out to her dismay that the Chamber of Commerce has already raised flags and companies are not going to invest in Alberta because of her over reach. Justin Trudeau in the meantime will sit back and watch as Rachael Notley wins the election in the Spring and he will not have to say a word. So now already premier Smith is back pedalling and will amend the legislation. LOLQuote:
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Yes as re affirmed by the Supreme Court of Canada.Quote:
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Bye Bye semi automatic rifles this is what the thread is about let’s stay on subject Canada doesn’t not need any provinces in Canada to go rogue we are stronger as Country if we stick to together too much division for the last 40 years by all political strips unite Country and I will vote for that leader and don’t matter what colour
Wait and see. Maybe she’ll be a great leader… or not.Quote:
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it will be a great day in Canadian history when Notley loses and Trudeau's dreams of crushing Alberta are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Back to the original topic (sort of) do your semi's jam with the budget ammo you run in them?
This will be my only post on the subject cuz it’s off topic. But if if you think the Alberta sovereignty act, ask yourself why this bill was made? If the federal’s would stop interfering with Alberta’s oil industry, and other areas they wouldn’t have to make that bill. Also Saskatchewan is looking at making a similar one.
Simply put and on topic disarming the people is part of the agenda it's actually part of the 2030 agenda. And that is what Smith is trying to avert.
Smith is trying to help but if you can't see the bigger picture say goodbye to your guns. It's all part of the dirty plan. Smith is just standing up for you that's all.
Believe it it not but it's there.
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"Disarmament is linked to sustainable development goal 16"
Aka agenda 2030 all connected to the WEF
People need to wake up if they think this is the way forward.
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Guess it's a good thing for, over half the liberals cabinet stuck up the WEF backside.
OR
NOT
LOL
To stay on topic this is why your guns are being taken away. It was the plan it is the plan all fabricated from your unelected leaders put in place by our elected public officials.
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100% correct and an informed factual opinionQuote:
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Amen brother!Quote:
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Couldn't use the quote feature , but am getting the subject back on topic and referring to some post above.
The amendment would ban " a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi automatic manner, and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity of greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed." MM
That's pretty much all hunting rifles and shotguns that aren't pump, bolt or lever-action.(This essentially would ban all forms of semi automatic firearms except for tube -style duck hunting shotguns.)
The 702 Plinkster 22 rimfire with military stock was banned but the other one was not. I guess if you put a military looking stock on a gun it becomes super powerful.
Is one more deadlier than the other? Yes or no?Quote:
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If the answer is no then it's not about safety as they claim. It's about being betrayed as safety from the looks of a military stock.
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Keep it quiet-;)someone may hear you,and then Good Bye to another model too...........:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
God know what they will ban next. They banned rocket launchers not a Liberal in existence seems to know that they were banned many years go.
That's to bad I was going to use one next year on the deer hunt and save the butchering fee for all that ground venison.Quote:
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