So what,,I don't own any handguns

I haven't posted here in quite some time. I used to have a very extensive gun collection which I was adamant about protecting. I marched in every march, supported every gun lobby group. I used to try to get a sincere level of interest in joining in marches, Joining our many gun lobby groups together to resemble more the united front of the American NRA. With that I often sounded off as to the extreme urgency of such plight. To which I invariably got "I don't care, I don't own any handguns" I would argue that it was soon to include everything... Nah ,your a handgun owner Standup go away... Well now I don't own anything that classes "Firearm" I only own antique classed guns.. So, I don't own any handguns. When ya gun toting lefties gonna stand up n fight????????

I think we need more people like Carry Price to stand up and lobby for us. The very next day Trudeau commented on Price's remarks stating he wasn't after the hunters, and since then has said that they are reviewing the amendment.. We here as a group have made our plea and have contacted our MP's. I believe he ( J.T.} has gotten the message. However we can't stop badgering him and our MP's. J.T. does not like conflict...

Ya got the 12:01 hour fight of your lives now. A late fight is a 8itchin hard fight

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Ya got the 12:01 hour fight your lives now. A late fight is a 8itchin hard fight

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Huuuuhh-did You go to the other side?

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Huuuuhh-did You go to the other side?

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No the ontario gun owners played it meek WAY tooo long
As far as I'm concerned ya reap what yer to gutless n lazy to sow

I totally agree with you Standup.

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I totally agree with you Standup.

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God luv ya
But too little too late me fears

If you recall I have for years pointed out that The Liberals plan was to eventually take all firearms but not a single lefty firearm owner ever agreed with me.

My son might not get to inherit some of the things I own which is a big let down for him and I. I was hoping to transfer them to his name when he became 16 and got his restricted. I guess no point now in him getting his restricted.

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God luv ya
But too little too late me fears

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I stand up and sign bills

And I have nothing to loose . I don't own any guns besides a few pellet guns .

I don't want any of you to loose your personal equipment that is not part of the problems. They blame guns from decade old crimes and say they are fixing the problems. If they are using examples from 30 years ago it's pretty far fetched.

Crossbows killed more Canadian citizens than the AR 15 and they say that gun is the problem. Now I'm not saying target the crossbow just using it as an example.

They always blame the gun and never the user.

The criminals will continue to be the problems not the law abiding citizens like you all that need background checks to lawfully own and use the guns.

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No challenging-just asking:

In my place i work at,we have many challenges,issues etc(like any other high production place).
We have been accustomed to the notion-do not just point at the problem(kind of easy to see, easy to point at)but offer solution too.

What was the solution with positive outcome -years back to avoid this mess,and what is the solution now?
As far as You ("disillusioned" or "i predicted so") is concerned.

cheers

"""The World Economic Forum
The World Economic Forum is the International Organization for Public-Private Cooperation.The Forum engages the foremost political, business, cultural and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas.""

to put this clearly

Political?

leaders of society ¿ who might they be justin Trudeau? Banning guns is part of the agenda 2030 .

Old 2018 article
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...n-control-laws



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"A global ceasefire"
As the world works together to take away your firearms rights.

What's the difference between the world economic form agenda and the Canadian agenda? Nothing it's the same agenda.

https://www.youth4disarmament.org/ne...tent_entity=en

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I haven't posted here in quite some time. I used to have a very extensive gun collection which I was adamant about protecting. I marched in every march, supported every gun lobby group. I used to try to get a sincere level of interest in joining in marches, Joining our many gun lobby groups together to resemble more the united front of the American NRA. With that I often sounded off as to the extreme urgency of such plight. To which I invariably got "I don't care, I don't own any handguns" I would argue that it was soon to include everything... Nah ,your a handgun owner Standup go away... Well now I don't own anything that classes "Firearm" I only own antique classed guns.. So, I don't own any handguns. When ya gun toting lefties gonna stand up n fight????????

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No the ontario gun owners played it meek WAY tooo long
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If the tone and tenor of your posts here reflect the discussions you had with fellow gun owners then it's hardly surprising you didn't attract much support.

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If the tone and tenor of your posts here reflect the discussions you had with fellow gun owners then it's hardly surprising you didn't attract much support.

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I agree not the best way to win hearts and minds.

But the OP should know by now its actually the "lefties" coming to his defence, the NDP are pretty vocal in opposition to the recent moves.
I know tons of Union members, GM type guys, almost all of whom hunt are are already on his side. Aboriginal bands in Ontario and across the
Nation as gun owners have spoken out.
There are a very large number of Liberal voters who are gun owners/hunters who will vote against this Government should this law pass.
There are a very large number of folks who may not hunt at all but will vote against this Government because of the possible loss of private property and the destruction of heritage/inherited firearms that have sentimental value. Most all veterans will want to vote these guys out.

All this adds up to a very unpredictable voting mass the Liberals should not have poked with as stick. IMHO

Standup is right of course, and in particular the part about being a united front and having one large, well-funded voice like the NRA to speak on our behalf

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I agree not the best way to win hearts and minds.

But the OP should know by now its actually the "lefties" coming to his defence, the NDP are pretty vocal in opposition to the recent moves.
I know tons of Union members, GM type guys, almost all of whom hunt are are already on his side. Aboriginal bands in Ontario and across the
Nation as gun owners have spoken out.
There are a very large number of Liberal voters who are gun owners/hunters who will vote against this Government should this law pass.
There are a very large number of folks who may not hunt at all but will vote against this Government because of the possible loss of private property and the destruction of heritage/inherited firearms that have sentimental value. Most all veterans will want to vote these guys out.

All this adds up to a very unpredictable voting mass the Liberals should not have poked with as stick. IMHO

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However owning to the seat distribution in the Toronto, Montreal, and the East Coast voting blocks. There is not a snowballs chance in Hades that the liberal will not be able to form government. It may only be a minority situation, but they will concede a few items, in order to draw support from some other party to prevent a vote of non-confidence. Their main goal being to have control of the political agenda. It don't take a genius to figure out their game.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

For thirty years plus I've heard the perpetual whine that all gun owners don't support each other. Firearms ownership is a diverse activity. Hoping the twice a year hunter who might own one rifle will actively support handgun ownership is like expecting an Olympic rower to oppose a ban on jet skis for no other reason than both activities involve watercraft.

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For thirty years plus I've heard the perpetual whine that all gun owners don't support each other. Firearms ownership is a diverse activity. Hoping the twice a year hunter who might own one rifle will actively support handgun ownership is like expecting an Olympic rower to oppose a ban on jet skis for no other reason than both activities involve watercraft.

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Well…..if the guy with one rifle wants to lawfully keep it then I guess he’d better stand up and be heard, and that means supporting each other - differences or not

And that there is exactly why all guns will be banned within 30 years. So far I have been right on.

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For thirty years plus I've heard the perpetual whine that all gun owners don't support each other. Firearms ownership is a diverse activity. Hoping the twice a year hunter who might own one rifle will actively support handgun ownership is like expecting an Olympic rower to oppose a ban on jet skis for no other reason than both activities involve watercraft.

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And that there is exactly why all guns will be banned within 30 years. So far I have been right on.

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Any solution GW,how not to get to that point...?

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Any solution GW,how not to get to that point...?

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Stop the agenda.
If disarming the world is part of it then it's will always be a problem and used against the people during a tragic event.

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The best way to stand for gun rights is to win people over. Can’t agree with the idea that gun owners are going extinct or even becoming a smaller group. For over ten years the number of Canadian gun owners has gone up. I know ten young people who just took their PAL, half of them have no family with PALs. Best way to insure a future with guns is to educate people on legal gun ownership and how safe it is. Just my 0.0002

Have public gun shoots.

Invole the public in shooting and learning the basics and safety.

Best way is public involvement.

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"If you wanna keep YOUR guns you'd better help me keep MINE!!!" isn't a winning strategy. Most people don't believe it will happen to them if it ever does. In many comparable places where handguns and/or semi-autos were banned (UK, Australia, New Zealand) there continues to be private ownership of firearms of other configurations.

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And that there is exactly why all guns will be banned within 30 years. So far I have been right on.

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With all due respect so far you have been dead wrong IMHO. The proof being I have all my original guns from the past 40 years, all being used for the same purpose.

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With all due respect so far you have been dead wrong IMHO. The proof being I have all my original guns from the past 40 years, all being used for the same purpose.

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In light of past events,obviously,not for long,now,right?

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you sure do love to promote your past predictions. Its not like they were hard to come to predictions. You are far from the only one, but keep telling us how you predicted it if it somehow makes you feel better.
But we have all heard you say it 100 times now. Not sure why you are so proud of it. Its about as hard to figure out as the fact that I'll predict the sun will set tonight.

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I believe that remains to be seen.

Sorry Gilroy but the latest list just proves me even more right. I am pretty sure I did not say every gun at once, but considering the Government has admitted they did ban lot's that are just regular hunting rifles, the government itself has admitted I am correct.

But all guns will be banned within 30 years. I use to think 50 but the Liberal Government is moving much faster then I thought they would.

Back in the late 1990's Allan Rock admitted that the ultimate goal for the Liberal government was to eventually ban all firearms.

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With all due respect so far you have been dead wrong IMHO. The proof being I have all my original guns from the past 40 years, all being used for the same purpose.

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Some like Gilroy still don't agree it is happening. In fact most Liberals don't believe it is happening.

I am guessing you don't like facts.

Maybe if I keep pointing it out some people might see what is happening, but people like you who enjoy slamming fellow gun owners, are exactly why this battle will be lost. Gun owners REFUSE to SUPPORT each other, until it is to late.

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you sure do love to promote your past predictions. Its not like they were hard to come to predictions. You are far from the only one, but keep telling us how you predicted it if it somehow makes you feel better.
But we have all heard you say it 100 times now. Not sure why you are so proud of it. Its about as hard to figure out as the fact that I'll predict the sun will set tonight.

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Well, personally I think all the gun organizations have gone about this the wrong way. Considering they accomplished zero in taking the government to court. For starters I think it would have been better for all of our organizations to join forces and combine their resources and money. All these fragmented groups just a complete waste of time effort and money.

You can fight better as a large group then you can as small insignificant useless groups (Sorry really wasn't sure how to word that).

gbk there are many gun owners that are totally fine with what Trudeau has banned including some on this forum, as long as THEIR guns have not been banned and that is unfortunate, gun owners are their own worse enemy. There use to be members on here who supported the banning of handguns for target shooting and for the most part they got their wish. There are many out there (including people on here) that believe if the firearm looks military it is super powerful. Even the Liberals themselves think that. A quick look shows the 702 Plinkster Tactical 22 rim fire has been banned but the regular model has not been banned (my son has the regular model) same gun different stock.

At this point gbk my answer would be a resounding NO, unless Pierre Polievere gets elected, if Trudeau gets re-elected kiss all your semis good bye.

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Some like Gilroy still don't agree it is happening. In fact most Liberals don't believe it is happening.

I am guessing you don't like facts.

Maybe if I keep pointing it out some people might see what is happening, but people like you who enjoy slamming fellow gun owners, are exactly why this battle will be lost. Gun owners REFUSE to SUPPORT each other, until it is to late.

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I'm not slamming fellow gun owners, just slamming people who just keep telling me how right they are in their predictions. You just seem to be way to proud that what you suspected was going to happen is happening. I think most of us thought the same thing, we just don't keep repeating it.

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Well, personally I think all the gun organizations have gone about this the wrong way. Considering they accomplished zero in taking the government to court. For starters I think it would have been better for all of our organizations to join forces and combine their resources and money. All these fragmented groups just a complete waste of time effort and money.

You can fight better as a large group then you can as small insignificant useless groups (Sorry really wasn't sure how to word that).

gbk there are many gun owners that are totally fine with what Trudeau has banned including some on this forum, as long as THEIR guns have not been banned and that is unfortunate, gun owners are their own worse enemy. There use to be members on here who supported the banning of handguns for target shooting and for the most part they got their wish. There are many out there (including people on here) that believe if the firearm looks military it is super powerful. Even the Liberals themselves think that. A quick look shows the 702 Plinkster Tactical 22 rim fire has been banned but the regular model has not been banned (my son has the regular model) same gun different stock.

At this point gbk my answer would be a resounding NO, unless Pierre Polievere gets elected, if Trudeau gets re-elected kiss all your semis good bye.

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This I agree with fully.
Too many small gun groups is not the answer to our issues, especially when they sue each other and waste money that could be used for the fight.

If someone doesn't bring it up then nobody will do anything will they. Yes I was correct but I wish I had been wrong.

I also was the first on here to mention that when Harper ordered the gun registry destroyed I mentioned there would still be copies and any have wit IT guy could figure out how to download the data, many laughed and sadly I was right.

Some say the data is now useless and I disagree it can still be used as most people do not regularly sell or trade their firearms, which means the DB would still be some what accurate. The government and the RCMP could use it to harass gun owners and many would give in my bet is 90% would if the RCMP were knocking on their door.

I don't have that much money but I have sent a few dollars at the beginning but will not anymore as I feel it was just a waste.

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I'm not slamming fellow gun owners, just slamming people who just keep telling me how right they are in their predictions. You just seem to be way to proud that what you suspected was going to happen is happening. I think most of us thought the same thing, we just don't keep repeating it.

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At this point gbk my answer would be a resounding NO, unless Pierre Polievere gets elected, if Trudeau gets re-elected kiss all your semis good bye.

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There'll be another 3 years before that can happen. By then,barring a non-confidence motion and the government falls, this well be a "fait accompli" and the damage will be done.

I am trying in my head to put together a percentage that will not hand over their guns but I cannot just two many variables to deal with. I would like to think it could be as high as 90% with reasons why.

Most gun owners that do not follow anything about firearms they just like to hunt and or shoot. Remember those of us on these forums are probably less than .0001 % of all owners (yup pulled that number out of the air).

You have your hard core that will just keep them and say screw you.

Than you have your Liberals (IMHO) that will just hand them over.

I suspect the NDP will drop their Trudeau Love in within the next 18 months (I hope).

My biggest fear is Trudeau steps down and Freeland takes over. She would give Pierre Polivere a bigger run for his money. Why? Well IMO many are starting to fall tired of the continuous BS from Trudeau, Freeland would be a new face and it is well known she has a different opinion then Trudeau's on running the country (She will still go after guns, which is a Liberal pledge), she will also attract most of the swing votes because she is a woman (I call a spade a Spade). IMHO Pierre will have a much easier time of beating Trudeau then Freeland.

But what do I know.

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There'll be another 3 years before that can happen. By then,barring a non-confidence motion and the government falls, this well be a "fait accompli" and the damage will be done.

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I am trying in my head to put together a percentage that will not hand over their guns but I cannot just two many variables to deal with. I would like to think it could be as high as 90% with reasons why.

Most gun owners that do not follow anything about firearms they just like to hunt and or shoot. Remember those of us on these forums are probably less than .0001 % of all owners (yup pulled that number out of the air).

You have your hard core that will just keep them and say screw you.

Than you have your Liberals (IMHO) that will just hand them over.

I suspect the NDP will drop their Trudeau Love in within the next 18 months (I hope).

My biggest fear is Trudeau steps down and Freeland takes over. She would give Pierre Polivere a bigger run for his money. Why? Well IMO many are starting to fall tired of the continuous BS from Trudeau, Freeland would be a new face and it is well known she has a different opinion then Trudeau's on running the country (She will still go after guns, which is a Liberal pledge), she will also attract most of the swing votes because she is a woman (I call a spade a Spade). IMHO Pierre will have a much easier time of beating Trudeau then Freeland.

But what do I know.

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Freeland taking over for Trudeau is a non-starter from the get-go. She's too much of an idiot. The Liberals will need a rock star stature politician to pull this one out and there's just nobody,anywhere that will be able to salvage the brand and there isn't enough time to rebuild from the Trudeau fiasco. The federal train wreck is almost complete.

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Freeland taking over for Trudeau is a non-starter from the get-go. She's too much of an idiot. The Liberals will need a rock star stature politician to pull this one out and there's just nobody,anywhere that will be able to salvage the brand and there isn't enough time to rebuild from the Trudeau fiasco. The federal train wreck is almost complete.

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Well last night federal election in Mississauga/Lakeshore where the LIBERALS and Mr Sousa won with even MORE votes than the last time might prove your predictions to be a bit off.

The party of Law and Order put up a Police Officer and he got beat. (maybe nobody believes that Conservatives are the party of law and order
considering their leaders support for the Freedom Convoy Occupation of the Capital).

Not only is Freeland a very hard working and SMART lady but so is Mr Sousa a business leader who could also easily run the party.

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Sorry Gilroy but the latest list just proves me even more right. I am pretty sure I did not say every gun at once, but considering the Government has admitted they did ban lot's that are just regular hunting rifles, the government itself has admitted I am correct.

But all guns will be banned within 30 years. I use to think 50 but the Liberal Government is moving much faster then I thought they would.

Back in the late 1990's Allan Rock admitted that the ultimate goal for the Liberal government was to eventually ban all firearms.

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OK so you now predict 30 or maybe 50 years into the future, I think at most of our ages we will not be to worried about such long range forecasts. The fact that in the 1990,s Allan Rock made a statement that has not come close to being true after over 30 years punt's your
predictions out the window. LOL

I would like nothing better than all these small groups banning together as one. One for all, all for one. When they all got up and started asking questions and kind of revolting, Trudeau called a halt and said he was going to re-vamp the list. This in my mind was a small victory and we should not be complacent and as a whole should keep the pressure on. Right now he's somewhat behind the eight ball, and if we continue the onslaught he might even scratch...

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Well last night federal election in Mississauga/Lakeshore where the LIBERALS and Mr Sousa won with even MORE votes than the last time might prove your predictions to be a bit off.

The party of Law and Order put up a Police Officer and he got beat. (maybe nobody believes that Conservatives are the party of law and order
considering their leaders support for the Freedom Convoy Occupation of the Capital).

Not only is Freeland a very hard working and SMART lady but so is Mr Sousa a business leader who could also easily run the party.

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I wouldn't read too much into a Liberal win in that area. Libs could run a trained Gerbil anywhere in Toronto and it would win.

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I would like nothing better than all these small groups banning together as one. One for all, all for one. When they all got up and started asking questions and kind of revoltoing, num nuts called a halt and said he was going to re-vamp the list. This in my mind was a small victory and we should not be complacent and as a whole should keep the pressure on. Right now he's somewhat behind the eight ball, and if we continue the onslaught he might even scratch...

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I do not think Trudeau or most other Liberals really understand what is on the list or the implications in the wording of the latest amendments. There is no doubt in my mind that they will walk back on some of this legislation, it will not be because of farmers as most probably do not vote for him but because of the aboriginal groups and every day hunters affected.

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I wouldn't read too much into a Liberal win in that area. Libs could run a trained Gerbil anywhere in Toronto and it would win.

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I would read into it a lot, everybody knows that the Cons have to pick up GTA seats and this is one of the many Harper managed to win.

If Pierre had any bright policies or positive outlooks the electorate may have given him a nod, but because he is empty handed, has no policies or solutions he got the boot instead. IMHO

The party of Law and Order has been unmasked as the party of disorder and unlawfulness.

If you think for a New York Moment that voters will not remember Pierre and his support for occupiers and border blockers and turmoil in the Capital, you are very much mistaken.

Pierre is going to pay a huge price in the next election. IMHO

Let's hope Pierre gets in lol. They will probably take a few off the list but not many.



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Death by a thousand cuts, So I am guessing you will be happy when the guns are banned for the next generation as long as you got to have yours.

Allan Rocks statement is very close to being true, I am guessing you have not even heard about the thousands of guns banned now including regular firearms and handguns (We can no longer pass them on, when I die the government will take them from my son).

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OK so you now predict 30 or maybe 50 years into the future, I think at most of our ages we will not be to worried about such long range forecasts. The fact that in the 1990,s Allan Rock made a statement that has not come close to being true after over 30 years punt's your
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He won't be revamping it. Latest statement was that some hunting guns might be banned anyways.

QUOTE=Bo D;1207016]I would like nothing better than all these small groups banning together as one. One for all, all for one. When they all got up and started asking questions and kind of revolting, Trudeau called a halt and said he was going to re-vamp the list. This in my mind was a small victory and we should not be complacent and as a whole should keep the pressure on. Right now he's somewhat behind the eight ball, and if we continue the onslaught he might even scratch...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=greatwhite;1207033]He won't be revamping it. Latest statement was that some hunting guns might be banned anyways.

The fact that only some hunting guns will be banned anyway, means that they have revamped it, as your position is all hunting guns will be banned.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/...deau-1.6684312

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He won't be revamping it. Latest statement was that some hunting guns might be banned anyways.

The fact that only some hunting guns will be banned anyway, means that they have revamped it, as your position is all hunting guns will be banned.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/...deau-1.6684312

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The quote from Bill Blair,Marco Mendicino and Justin Trudeau is "We're not going after hunter's guns" whereupon they released the list with (almost) every type of semi-auto rifle and shotgun tens of thousands of hunters use in a broad sweep which appears wholly vindictive,at best. Now,I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer,but,it occurs to me that making statements like that,then,turning around and doing the opposite makes the Liberals either totally inept and ineffectual or bald-faced liars. It's absolutely in-your-face. There's no "spinning" it or re-hab-ing the statements,so take your pick.

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The quote from Bill Blair,Marco Mendicino and Justin Trudeau is "We're not going after hunter's guns" whereupon they released the list with (almost) every type of semi-auto rifle and shotgun tens of thousands of hunters use in a broad sweep which appears wholly vindictive,at best. Now,I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer,but,it occurs to me that making statements like that,then,turning around and doing the opposite makes the Liberals either totally inept and ineffectual or bald-faced liars. It's absolutely in-your-face. There's no "spinning" it or re-hab-ing the statements,so take your pick.

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I go with both…inept and bald faced liars ! It’s a liberal way !! They have been caught so many times, they aren’t even trying to hide it. Goes to show how stupid they think their supporters are !

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Goes to show how stupid they think their supporters are !

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Its not that they think they are stupid, they have proven it time and time again. And if there is any money for the voters in whatever scheme they are planning, then they don't even care and will quickly sell out the future of their country and kids for a few cents now.

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The quote from Bill Blair,Marco Mendicino and Justin Trudeau is "We're not going after hunter's guns" whereupon they released the list with (almost) every type of semi-auto rifle and shotgun tens of thousands of hunters use in a broad sweep which appears wholly vindictive,at best. Now,I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer,but,it occurs to me that making statements like that,then,turning around and doing the opposite makes the Liberals either totally inept and ineffectual or bald-faced liars. It's absolutely in-your-face. There's no "spinning" it or re-hab-ing the statements,so take your pick.

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I go with both…inept and bald faced liars ! It’s a liberal way !! They have been caught so many times, they aren’t even trying to hide it. Goes to show how stupid they think their supporters are !

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Its not that they think they are stupid, they have proven it time and time again. And if there is any money for the voters in whatever scheme they are planning, then they don't even care and will quickly sell out the future of their country and kids for a few cents now.

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After watching Minister Medicino on the telly CBC at 5pm it appears he might be getting the message. I emailed both him and cc Billy Blair and also wrote to my local MP Fonseca.

If this legislation goes through I believe it will be an election loser for the Liberals. Its a Bridge to Far and will put off many Liberal hunters who will be affected, very many of which live in the vote rich 905 area.

If this legislation is not walked back they will suffer and I indicated this very firmly in my e mails to all three.

Although they want to appear sincere in their wishes to control gun violence, as we all do, I believe they are inept and really do not appear to know one firearm from the next and you get this resultant mess.

Lets hope the penny drops in the next few weeks, I am sure they are getting it in the neck right now from all corners.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

After watching Minister Medicino on the telly CBC at 5pm it appears he might be getting the message. I emailed both him and cc Billy Blair and also wrote to my local MP Fonseca.

If this legislation goes through I believe it will be an election loser for the Liberals. Its a Bridge to Far and will put off many Liberal hunters who will be affected, very many of which live in the vote rich 905 area.

If this legislation is not walked back they will suffer and I indicated this very firmly in my e mails to all three.

Although they want to appear sincere in their wishes to control gun violence, as we all do, I believe they are inept and really do not appear to know one firearm from the next and you get this resultant mess.

Lets hope the penny drops in the next few weeks, I am sure they are getting it in the neck right now from all corners.

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Why you letting them know it could destroy them lol.
They will take a few more off the list they are heading north to talk to more people and see what they use lol.

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This a cabinet minister talking about the legislation. It is astonishing how little she knows about guns despite claiming to own them and even less about her party's own legislation.

https://youtu.be/WhusIW1qJE0

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

This a cabinet minister talking about the legislation. It is astonishing how little she knows about guns despite claiming to own them and even less about her party's own legislation.

https://youtu.be/WhusIW1qJE0

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this is like me talking about the ballet

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Originally Posted by DanE

this is like me talking about the ballet

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Other than the fact that your probably humble enough to admit you don’t know much and would say so.

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Although they want to appear sincere in their wishes to control gun violence, as we all do..........



No challenge-but how going after legal firearm owners, and guns based on looks and action(and not going against gun violence, root cause and gun smuggling)makes their desire looking sincere?

I heard this approach few days ago-in a context, where they claim-if one is not supporting this new brainchild of Ottawa, then they are supporting gun violence.
Divide and rule or talk about something long enough and loud enough,so the ppl believe, it is a fact.

Same as accusing that Hockey player of him not having sympathy for the Montreal massacre victims (from many years ago)by talking against the new proposal.

Hardcore Communist could learn from some,how to twist and turn words.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

"If you wanna keep YOUR guns you'd better help me keep MINE!!!" isn't a winning strategy. Most people don't believe it will happen to them if it ever does. In many comparable places where handguns and/or semi-autos were banned (UK, Australia, New Zealand) there continues to be private ownership of firearms of other configurations.

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STRENGTH IN NUMBERS, is the strategy - and if you’re going to tell me I’m wrong on that….well I think you’re alone

And this is exactly why Guns will eventually be completely banned.

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"If you wanna keep YOUR guns you'd better help me keep MINE!!!" isn't a winning strategy. Most people don't believe it will happen to them if it ever does. In many comparable places where handguns and/or semi-autos were banned (UK, Australia, New Zealand) there continues to be private ownership of firearms of other configurations.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

STRENGTH IN NUMBERS, is the strategy - and if you’re going to tell me I’m wrong on that….well I think you’re alone

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

And this is exactly why Guns will eventually be completely banned.

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Is there a core relation between those countries and Canada? I'm sure there is.

I agree we all should be standing up for each other and protecting all firearms from all legal gun owners.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

STRENGTH IN NUMBERS, is the strategy - and if you’re going to tell me I’m wrong on that….well I think you’re alone

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Strength in numbers is a self-evident truth but if more of your effort is spent on cajoling possible participants to support your cause than on advancing it then it's not the best strategy.