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Dear Forum members-the tragic events in Vaughan(rightfully so )raised a lot of interest on this very Forum.
I am opening this thread to have a platform of discussing the events, and to exchange opinions/facts etc amongst members.
Please use this opportunity to follow up on the subject,here.
This will also take away needs to discuss it on other, already running threads...which may be not related to topics running .
Cheers
I am feeling really sorry for the deceased,and CONDEMN the shooting.
At the other hand- while I do not think, the perpetrator was thinking straight and/or was in stable state of mind on Sunday......somehow his overall mental health and blaming everything on that is a cop out of a sort.
Especially after reading on the subject in the news...
De escalation is on my mind.
Very sad for the families.
How can you possibly condone the murder of anyone ??Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Just a vocabulary error I expect.
Any news on if it was a legal gun or not? If no news is out by now I’d guess it’s not.
If the guy had been dealing with this since 2017 an easy solution would have been to move him to another unit.
Problem solved and could of save the board years of stress and legal problems.
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I think he meant, "condemn."Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
They interviewed a neighbour and he said he was aware he had a PAL but not aware he had a gunQuote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
I would hope so !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilo Charlie
He had a restraining order against him. That should have been an automatic revocation of his right to own and possess a firearm. If that didn't happen, then that is part of the problem.
Sorry all-i was not to offend anyone, especially not the poor innocents-i meant CONDEMN....my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
ESL(no ,actually ETL....English as Third Language )
Good catch Canthitathing-thank you for it.
Yes,thank You KCQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilo Charlie
What I heard on the news from a couple of neighbours is that they knew he had a "gun permit" what exactly that meant to them is unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom gobble
I suspect what you are saying a PAL is what they are implying.
But that to me brings up the big question why did the Police not dig into this a little more when they spoke with him on several occasions.
If the police had a quick look at his Facebook page alarm bells should have gone off right away?
I think this restraining order was part of a civil court hearing procedure and nothing of a criminal case where it would have been a Peace Bond (sureties to keep the peace).Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
This guy fell through the cracks but should have been flagged by his 264 Facebook friends as a man who needed help.
Instead of getting help he hired a law firm and in the conversation with his female lawyer she actually seems to encourage his irrational thinking and the fact he was a victim which strengthened his resolve to sort the matter out himself.
His gun and license assuming he had both could not have been taken from him as nobody had alleged he was a danger to himself or others, if they had alleged that they seem to to have reported it to the police.
The interview had the neighbour saying the gunman claimed to have had an "FAC." It is entirely possible the neighbour was lying or the "FAC" had lapsed. It is also possible the killer acquired a legal handgun many years ago but did not re-register it as was required in 2000 which would mean he wasn't a legal owner.
For those of us old enough to recall the green registration slips, the old system was a complete disaster. Even though I had the right paper work the RCMP had no record of any of mine. It is quite possible Villa had a once-registered handgun and the police had no idea.
The gun deaths have only gone up since the liberals took charge. Years prior it would fluctuate up and down a bit, but a steady rise from 2015 .
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Two questions. Was the pistol legally registered, or was it obtained illegally? Did the shooter have a valid firearms license for a restricted gun, and if so, why was it not revoked given all the red flags leading up to this tragedy?
It would not surprise me if the killer had a PAL or used to hold an FAC. In one of the video rants he posted there is a buck mount on the wall of his condo.
I suspect that he did not have an RPAL. Because if he did, I'm sure it would have already been all over the news (mass shooting by a licensed handgun owner).
I feel for the families that lost lives, its obvious our gun control in this country does not work, if he obtained that gun legally, all firearms rights should have been taken away first time it was proven he was threating people, he was known to police for doing so, secondly, we should be able to shoot back!
I don't know, at the same time that would prove our existing laws weren't enforced and there was a failure of the system, so the Gov't/LEO's wouldn't look great if that is the case. If our current laws aren't enforced properly, why would adding more help the situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
I suspect they just won't mention it either way, as they look bad either way. So they will just avoid telling us the truth and keep the focus on that evil gun.
Therein lies the problem did any of the complainants ever make a Police Report?Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog
If they did and it contained information he was a person who fell into section 5 automated CPIC check by the firearms registry would have spurred a investigation by a local firearms officer.
Even if this happened that officer is put in the position of being a psychiatrist and trying to figure out at the interview if this person is a danger to himself or others, they are not trained on this and the officers evidence at a firearms hearing would mean very little.
In order for this avoidable tragedy to have been prevented the complaints, board members and HIS daughters should have made reports to the police and indicated they would appear in court.
Maybe some of his 264 Facebook friends could have realised that their friend needed some help, but that would entail them not playing with their i phones and otherwise being distracted.
Its very difficult to take away a persons firearms license and there are multiple avenues of appeal.
If he was licensed and we do not know right now, the question on the application about "have you ever suffered from depression" would have been one he may not have answered truthfully. So that could have been a way to take his license off him.
But as it stands right now he could obtain a gun illegally so we come full circle.
Daily mail UK reported, “Authorities say he used an illegal ‘semi-automatic handgun’ in the incident, with cops declining to confirm a motive for the deaths.”
80 to 90 percent of crime guns traced back to the usa.
But the Canadian guns are the problem.
Or it's just part of the agenda goal 16 disarmament for a substanable future lol.
Only a 10 to 20 percent chance he had a legal firearm.
https://youtu.be/kn1XA4VTyWI
I noticed once they said it was a handgun the majority of the media went on to see who he was. Ending the firearm discussions all together.
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And the majority of those 10-20 percent are stolen.
.....or were already in illegal circulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
Don't know if this is fact or not.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-shooting.html
Deranged Canadian man, 73, killed 3 men and 2 women with ‘semi-automatic handgun’ before being shot dead by cops at apartment complex after five-year feud with condo board
Police have confirmed that an angry condo resident shot dead three men and two women during his rampage – after a five-year feud with the apartment board.
Francesco Villi, 73, had filed a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against the building's company claiming electromagnetic waves were making him sick.
Officials have confirmed that the five killed were found in three separate units, and cops had an interaction with Villi before he was shot and killed on the third floor.
Authorities say he used an illegal ‘semi-automatic handgun’ in the incident, with cops declining to confirm a motive for the deaths.
A 66-year-old woman was ‘seriously injured’ in the incident, and remains in the hospital in critical condition.
Canadian police say Villi started shooting at the Bellaria Residences complex in Vaughan, Ontario, shortly before 7.30pm on Sunday night.
Authorities have not released the victims' identities but say three were members of the condo board - adding they are still investigating the motive behind the massacre
ork Regional Police Chief Jim MacSween confirmed that the five victims and shooter lived in the condo and 'multiple search warrants' were issued.
He added: 'Officers had an interaction with the shooter, he was a 24-year veteran with York Police and he very likely saved lived by his actions last night. '
Villi was confirmed in court as having died on Sunday night, with a judge stating that other details about the case had been reported ‘in the media’.
The senior had brought a case against the condominium corporation, claiming that five named defendants caused him ‘torment and torture’ for over five years.
Villi,who lived in a one-bedroom $476,000 ($649,000 CAD) apartment on the ground floor of the building, killed five residents dead in different flats - believed to be condo board members - before being shot by police.
A $6million ($8million CAD) lawsuit seen by DailyMail.com reveals the row had been ongoing for five years, starting when the corporation tried to restrain Villi from ‘threatening, intimidating and harassing’ the board of directors.
Villi posted several rambling videos on his social media in the days before the spree, accusing lawyers of continuing to ‘torture’ him.
He is also accused of threatening the property management, workers and residents of the condominium.
But in 2019 Villi launched his own application, claiming that issues from an electrical room beneath his unit were causing him to have severe breathing issues after he was diagnosed with ‘chronic lung disease’.
A judge ordered him to refrain from recording board members, management, residents, or employees of the Corporation.
He was also banned from making social media posts about the proceedings and to only communicate with the Corporation in writing, except in an emergency.
However, in September of last year, he was found to be in contempt of the order for communicating with staff, and he posted several videos to his social media.
Five defendants named in the suit moved to dismiss it and sought partial indemnity costs of approximately $7,995 ($10,900 CAD) all-inclusive based on full indemnity costs of $13184.31 ($17,973.45 CAD).
According to the lawsuit, Villi was opposed to any order of costs but was ordered to pay $1,833 ($2,500 CAD) within 30 days on August 4 of this year.
It is unclear if he made any payments, with a court hearing on December 19 confirming that the case had been closed.
The lawsuit states: ‘Mr. Villi believes that the electrical room which sits beneath his unit is improperly constructed, resulting in the emission of electromagnetic waves which have caused him significant pain and suffering over the years.
‘Mr. Villi believes that the board members of the Corporation have actively engaged in efforts to intentionally harm him, likely at the behest of the powerful developer who built the condominium.
‘Mr. Villi believes that all the individuals involved have not only conspired to harm him but have also conspired to ensure that the truth of the matter never surfaces.’
Resident John Santoro said he served on the condo board for about a year several years ago, telling reporters that the situation is ‘tragic’.
He added that he heard a ‘commotion’ in the corridor and when he opened the door he saw police with ‘rifles right outside the door in the elevator lobby.’
The horrific incident took place in the suburbs 30km (20 miles) north of downtown Toronto, a city that prides itself on its longstanding safety.
The type of weapon used in the latest incident has not been disclosed by police - the sale of handguns was banned in Canada earlier this year in response to a mass shooting that saw 22 people killed in Nova Scotia in April 2020.
Chief James MacSween, of York Regional Police, said:'There is no further threat to the community at this point. We offer our sincere condolences to the victims and their families.'
Police located one woman at the condo who had been shot in the face. She is believed to be one of the deceased, reports City News Toronto.
Ontario´s Special Investigations Unit, which gets involved when there is a death or serious injury involving police, is investigating.
Armed police were seen storming the building following the reports of gunfire.
Emergency services teams then locked off the apartment building while ambulances worked to help surviving victims.
Constable Laura Nicolle, who was at the scene, told CNN it was the 'most terrible call I’ve seen in my entire career'.
She added that it appeared the victims had been found in different apartments in the building.
Cops evacuated the building but MacSween said there is no further threat to the community. He said they hoped to have residents back in their units within hours.
Constable Laura Nicolle, who was at the scene, told CNN it was the 'most terrible call I’ve seen in my entire career'.
She added that it appeared the victims had been found in different apartments in the building.
Cops evacuated the building but MacSween said there is no further threat to the community. He said they hoped to have residents back in their units within hours.
Mass shootings are rare in Canada and Toronto has long prided itself as being one of the safest big cities in the world.
Canadians are nervous about anything that might indicate they are moving closer to U.S. experiences with gun violence.
It has recently experienced an upsurge in gun violence, sparking the introduction of legislation to ban handguns.
In April 2020, a gunman disguised as a policeman killed 22 people in the eastern province of Nova Scotia, Canada's worst mass shooting.
The perpetrator, Gabriel Wortman, 51, a millionaire alcoholic whose denture business was shuttered by coronavirus, was shot dead by police after the 12-hour killing and arson spree.
Boarder measures are working says our pm. They nabbed 2 times as many guns,but forgot to say the boarder was closed for the first part lol.
https://youtu.be/TBywUk0MgN0
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In relation to Mr Francesco Villi, has anybody managed to confirm he had a firearms license or not?