6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says it was no accident.

This is why we need a far broad approach, than were currently have when it comes to educating our youth and our general adult population, about fireams. Ignorance of firearms is not bliss, pure and simply it can prove to be dangerous, if not potentially deadly. It is far too easy to blame such incidents like this on a Gun Culture. It really comes down to a societal ignorance of firearm and blind attempts to suppress firearm use.


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I haven’t read the story but if this happened, it has more to do with parental failure to teach their child how to deal with emotions than firearms. Just my opinion.

I saw this article on FoxNews. It's just beyond effed up.

massive failure of the parents, both in teaching the kid how to deal with life (although many have failed at that these days) and worse yet allowing a 6 year old access to a firearm.
Parents need to be charged in this case in my opinion

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Originally Posted by FishHog

massive failure of the parents, both in teaching the kid how to deal with life (although many have failed at that these days) and worse yet allowing a 6 year old access to a firearm.
Parents need to be charged in this case in my opinion

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Agreed, but lots of kids (and more adults than we think) have issues dealing with emotions…..I think the primary problem is a pistol AND ammunition easily accessible. Laws should not be required for parents to know it is a bad idea !

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Agreed, but lots of kids (and more adults than we think) have issues dealing with emotions…..I think the primary problem is a pistol AND ammunition easily accessible. Laws should not be required for parents to know it is a bad idea !

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We can't have emotions anymore our schools were told not to talk about the queens passing because it could "trigger" some students. "Emotional damage " lol.

This event is horrible and totally avoidable with a bit of basic common sense and safety measures.


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Horrible, I put the most of the blame on lack of parenting. I had a pellet gun when I was 7, and a 22 and 410 by the time I was 9, ( at my grandparents farm in the states). I would have never have even thought of even pointing it at somebody even if I was mad at them. I have no problem with kids having controlled access the firearms if the parents know they are responsible, and the kids have been well trained on firearm safety. Sadly it seems the boy had poor parenting, a lack of respect for authorities, and access to firearms.

Now I reaqd where an 11 year old girl killed her younger brother with a knife.... Have y'all seen the movie Mad Max, well this is what this world is hearding towards...

Evidently,the kid swiped his Mom's pistol from home. There's no secure firearm storage laws in that state. 'Merica.......my rights.

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Evidently,the kid swiped his Mom's pistol from home. There's no secure firearm storage laws in that state. 'Merica.......my rights.

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Has nothing to do with "Merica" and no need for deragatory comments towards them.
Had 100% to do with poor parenting. We shouldn't and don't need laws to try to control the lowest of the low parts of the population as they won't listen anyway.

There actually is a law in Virginia that carries consequences to leaving a gun lying around where a child can find it.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/...tion18.2-56.2/

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§ 18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any child under the age of fourteen. Any person violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

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But as is typical of American gun culture the penalty is a slap on the wrist. If convicted the owner of a gun that falls into the hands of a child in Virginia will still be able to own guns because it's only a misdemeanor offense. Were it a felony they'd lose the right to own guns for life.

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Evidently,the kid swiped his Mom's pistol from home. There's no secure firearm storage laws in that state. 'Merica.......my rights.

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I guess you’re right, and I certainly understand the NRA’s stand on firearms rights, but I can’t imagine why they’d stand in the way of safe storage regulations. It just makes sense…..but maybe not to everyone

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I guess you’re right, and I certainly understand the NRA’s stand on firearms rights, but I can’t imagine why they’d stand in the way of safe storage regulations. It just makes sense…..but maybe not to everyone

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All the safe storage regulations in the world won't make this nonsense go away in America. In order for regulations to work,America needs a quantum shift in their firearms ownership mindset. The Second Amendment is so intrinsically entrenched in law,the NRA knows safe storage regs are useless. That's why they'll never back them.

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I guess you’re right, and I certainly understand the NRA’s stand on firearms rights, but I can’t imagine why they’d stand in the way of safe storage regulations. It just makes sense…..but maybe not to everyone

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Hard to enforce safe storage regulations in a society with daily carry. Most self defense firearms would be in perpetual use.

Had way more to do with bad parenting than unsafe storage. I spent many months on my Grandparents farm in the states, and I knew where I could get my 410 and a few shells. My brother and I would often get up early and hunt raccoons and rabbits. We were raised with respect for authorities and firearm safety. Most old timers I know, that grew up around here had access to firearms at younger ages, but nobody would dream of shooting their teacher. Unfortunately now kids aren’t punished for disrespect to their authorities, so unfortunately these kind of things will continue to happen.

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Had way more to do with bad parenting than unsafe storage. I spent many months on my Grandparents farm in the states, and I knew where I could get my 410 and a few shells. My brother and I would often get up early and hunt raccoons and rabbits. We were raised with respect for authorities and firearm safety. Most old timers I know, that grew up around here had access to firearms at younger ages, but nobody would dream of shooting their teacher. Unfortunately now kids aren’t punished for disrespect to their authorities, so unfortunately these kind of things will continue to happen.

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That’s a good post. Like you, I grew up with firearms (long guns) in the house and readily available, but I knew enough to keep my hands off them. I guess my point was that if you’re not going to do one, then you’d better do the other (parenting/safe storage)

It sure is a different world, and especially down there.

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That’s a good post. Like you, I grew up with firearms (long guns) in the house and readily available, but I knew enough to keep my hands off them. I guess my point was that if you’re not going to do one, then you’d better do the other (parenting/safe storage)

It sure is a different world, and especially down there.

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Sadly don't think we're that far behind when you have a group of girls murdering a guy for his booze :sad:
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=22658...NjkzNDE0&ntb=1

But, those 8 girls were not brought up in rural Canadian families with access to legal firearms with serial numbers either.
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Must admit, I'm rather surprised how many people believe more gun laws are the solution to the issues in the US. Its clear they haven't been an effective solution in canada and many other countries in the world, but apparently the media bias against the freedoms in the US have sadly sunk into many peoples brains here in Canada.

More laws have never made stupid people smarter, but they sure are the knee jerk reaction from Gov't when they don't know how to solve the real issues and they will buy them some more votes despite the cost.

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But, those 8 girls were not brought up in rural Canadian families with access to legal firearms with serial numbers either.
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Has nothing to do with rural or urban, heck not even guns or no guns its about the breakdown in personal responsibility and consequences.
When society went from parental sparing the rod to using their words, teachers loosing their board of education for no child left behind, cops from cleaning up the streets to de-escalation, and courts from sentencing hard time to letting them off because of their socioeconomic situation it has brought us to this point.
Not saying it was prefect than as sure abuses occurred however the pendulum has swung to far to the other side to the point we're seeing abuse come from lack of personal responsibility.

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I guess you’re right, and I certainly understand the NRA’s stand on firearms rights, but I can’t imagine why they’d stand in the way of safe storage regulations. It just makes sense…..but maybe not to everyone

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The NRA likely stand that way, because down in the States they accept the idea that you have a basic right to self for any reason you have to retrieve your firearm, if a handgun from a locked container, remove a disabling device from it, then retrieve the ammunition that is suppose to be stored apart from the firearm. Its most likely by then the home invader would be all over you, before you manage to loaded the firearm. I recall a story once of a woman in the States, who did her house cleaning with her handgun strapped to her hip. Her point -
what is the use of owning a gun if I can't get to it fast enough to defend myself.
In this incidents the mother appears to have legally purchased firearm, loaded it and left in somewhere, that the 6 year was able to retrieve and stuff it in his school bag, as well he seem to know enough about handling it to shoot his teacher. Its not as yet clear why, may he was just attempting to find out what the gun could do. People like to experiment with new things, and kids even more so, because they want to now what they can do with things.

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Has nothing to do with rural or urban, heck not even guns or no guns its about the breakdown in personal responsibility and consequences.
When society went from parental sparing the rod to using their words, teachers loosing their board of education for no child left behind, cops from cleaning up the streets to de-escalation, and courts from sentencing hard time to letting them off because of their socioeconomic situation it has brought us to this point.
Not saying it was prefect than as sure abuses occurred however the pendulum has swung to far to the other side to the point we're seeing abuse come from lack of personal responsibility.

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That about sum's it all up.

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Has nothing to do with rural or urban, heck not even guns or no guns its about the breakdown in personal responsibility and consequences.
When society went from parental sparing the rod to using their words, teachers loosing their board of education for no child left behind, cops from cleaning up the streets to de-escalation, and courts from sentencing hard time to letting them off because of their socioeconomic situation it has brought us to this point.
Not saying it was prefect than as sure abuses occurred however the pendulum has swung to far to the other side to the point we're seeing abuse come from lack of personal responsibility.

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Great post, agree 100#

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Has nothing to do with rural or urban, heck not even guns or no guns its about the breakdown in personal responsibility and consequences.
When society went from parental sparing the rod to using their words, teachers loosing their board of education for no child left behind, cops from cleaning up the streets to de-escalation, and courts from sentencing hard time to letting them off because of their socioeconomic situation it has brought us to this point.
Not saying it was prefect than as sure abuses occurred however the pendulum has swung to far to the other side to the point we're seeing abuse come from lack of personal responsibility.

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Agreed also.

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Has nothing to do with rural or urban, heck not even guns or no guns its about the breakdown in personal responsibility and consequences.
When society went from parental sparing the rod to using their words, teachers loosing their board of education for no child left behind, cops from cleaning up the streets to de-escalation, and courts from sentencing hard time to letting them off because of their socioeconomic situation it has brought us to this point.
Not saying it was prefect than as sure abuses occurred however the pendulum has swung to far to the other side to the point we're seeing abuse come from lack of personal responsibility.

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Totally agree, the keyword here is breakdown, as in family values and not being worried about being punished.
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And yes, it’s everywhere not just in the US. Many (most?) kids here have lost respect for the teachers, they aren’t bringing guns to school but certainly are bringing their attitudes. No politician has the guts to tell the electorate to start putting their kids first and be better parents….but that’s what is needed

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And yes, it’s everywhere not just in the US. Many (most?) kids here have lost respect for the teachers, they aren’t bringing guns to school but certainly are bringing their attitudes. No politician has the guts to tell the electorate to start putting their kids first and be better parents….but that’s what is needed

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Yup,

When you read eight Toronto teenage girls manage to murder a homeless guy for a Mickey of booze, all eight sets of parents of whatever description they may be should be the one's to face some sort of judgement.

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And yes, it’s everywhere not just in the US. Many (most?) kids here have lost respect for the teachers, they aren’t bringing guns to school but certainly are bringing their attitudes. No politician has the guts to tell the electorate to start putting their kids first and be better parents….but that’s what is needed

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I hear what you are saying and agree with it, but it's a different world out there now a days compared to when I was a kid. Today you have both parents working just to put food on the table, a roof over theirs heads, two vehicles, with most living from payday to payday. No time to look after the kids, and if you do lay a hand on them they bring you to court or sue you... That's what's happened to society in todays world..

So how do we fix these issues? Government always thinks more government is the key but it's not working and hasn't worked.



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So how do we fix these issues? Government always thinks more government is the key but it's not working and hasn't worked.

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I don't think it can be fixed. It's the way our entire society has evolved and it's only going to get worse. And it's not just the government who thinks more government is the key. Too many folks out there expect more and more handouts. They demand to be looked after and coddled. They expect gov't intervention to solve all their life's challenges. I think we're all guilty of this to some degree, whether or not we admit it to ourselves?

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So how do we fix these issues? Government always thinks more government is the key but it's not working and hasn't worked.



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This might sound crazy but get rid of Collective bargaining and job security. These two things has destroyed the work ethic. What's the incentive to go above and beyond in your work if the next guy gets the same reward for just showing up. Wage increases should be earned not just received because its another year.

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I hear what you are saying and agree with it, but it's a different world out there now a days compared to when I was a kid. Today you have both parents working just to put food on the table, a roof over theirs heads, two vehicles, with most living from payday to payday. No time to look after the kids, and if you do lay a hand on them they bring you to court or sue you... That's what's happened to society in todays world..

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Correct…and keeping up appearances has a lot to do with it. Most people could comfortably live in half the house they live in, and when vehicles weren’t considered disposable you could get by with buying something and expect to get more than 10-12 years out of it

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I hear what you are saying and agree with it, but it's a different world out there now a days compared to when I was a kid. Today you have both parents working just to put food on the table, a roof over theirs heads, two vehicles, with most living from payday to payday. No time to look after the kids, and if you do lay a hand on them they bring you to court or sue you... That's what's happened to society in todays world..

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It's all part of the world we live in today, at least in the North American world. Everyone wants everything and they want it right now! Big house, 2-3 vehicles, boat, 4 wheeler, snow mobiles, cottage, vacations, multi TV's in the home, electronic gizmos, the list goes on and on.... Both parents, (if there are two parents in the home?) have to work just to come close to achieving half of it or bury themselves in massive debt. Today's society is living way beyond its means and it cannot sustain itself. Things will get worse.

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This might sound crazy but get rid of Collective bargaining and job security. These two things has destroyed the work ethic. What's the incentive to go above and beyond in your work if the next guy gets the same reward for just showing up. Wage increases should be earned not just received because its another year.

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Yes... it does sound crazy.

Back to the OP ; Tragic as this event is it was preventable. We in Canada have proper Reg's regarding use and storage of firearms. So if the Americans want the right to bear arms they will reap all that they sow.

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It's all part of the world we live in today, at least in the North American world. Everyone wants everything and they want it right now! Big house, 2-3 vehicles, boat, 4 wheeler, snow mobiles, cottage, vacations, multi TV's in the home, electronic gizmos, the list goes on and on.... Both parents, (if there are two parents in the home?) have to work just to come close to achieving half of it or bury themselves in massive debt. Today's society is living way beyond its means and it cannot sustain itself. Things will get worse.

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Well speak for yourself, I DO NOT WANT EVERYTHING. I have a big house but I wanted to raise three kids and as we had both a boy and girls separate bedrooms are a good idea. I do have two vehicles one is now 23 years old and the other is 19 years old. I do not have a 4 wheeler
I can walk, I have a cottage I worked very hard for with overtime done. I only have one TV as its all I can watch at one time.
My wife did not work after 8 years to raise the kids which freed me up to work longer and harder.
I run a credit card and can tell you after 35 years the poor bank has never made a dime in interest from me, period.

Because I am pretty frugal, I was able in the past year to help one daughter buy a home in Edmonton and my son a condo in Mississauga.

So if I can pull this off, how come people think nobody else has managed the same.

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This might sound crazy but get rid of Collective bargaining and job security. These two things has destroyed the work ethic. What's the incentive to go above and beyond in your work if the next guy gets the same reward for just showing up. Wage increases should be earned not just received because its another year.

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Way to complicated, do you really want Police officers, Firefighters, GM line workers, all at the whim and mercy of supervisors and employers.

Real wages for the average worker have not gone up in a meaningful way since the late 70,s, so all the middle class have been losing ground.

Your idea would be great if prices of everything stayed the same since the late 70,s.

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This might sound crazy but get rid of Collective bargaining and job security. These two things has destroyed the work ethic. What's the incentive to go above and beyond in your work if the next guy gets the same reward for just showing up. Wage increases should be earned not just received because its another year.

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It doesn't sound crazy especially when it comes to the union's. It is just one problem.
Also getting tougher on crime,fixing our schools why are they failing basis math skills. Pushing in more stuff when they can't do math lol. We also need a government that answers questions and take responsibility.




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I don't think it can be fixed. It's the way our entire society has evolved and it's only going to get worse. And it's not just the government who thinks more government is the key. Too many folks out there expect more and more handouts. They demand to be looked after and coddled. They expect gov't intervention to solve all their life's challenges. I think we're all guilty of this to some degree, whether or not we admit it to ourselves?

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I think it can be changed but it would take a long time . The change needs to start with the people and the way the government is run. We need to be more thinking towards the people not the government's people and power . We need to stop blaming everyone else and end the left vs right war lol.



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Yes... it does sound crazy.

Back to the OP ; Tragic as this event is it was preventable. We in Canada have proper Reg's regarding use and storage of firearms. So if the Americans want the right to bear arms they will reap all that they sow.

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Guess we should put more regs on knives too right? Those teenage girls didn’t need a improperly stored gun. A boy who would shoot his teacher would probably stab someone he didn’t like.

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Well speak for yourself, I DO NOT WANT EVERYTHING. I have a big house but I wanted to raise three kids and as we had both a boy and girls separate bedrooms are a good idea. I do have two vehicles one is now 23 years old and the other is 19 years old. I do not have a 4 wheeler
I can walk, I have a cottage I worked very hard for with overtime done. I only have one TV as its all I can watch at one time.
My wife did not work after 8 years to raise the kids which freed me up to work longer and harder.
I run a credit card and can tell you after 35 years the poor bank has never made a dime in interest from me, period.

Because I am pretty frugal, I was able in the past year to help one daughter buy a home in Edmonton and my son a condo in Mississauga.

So if I can pull this off, how come people think nobody else has managed the same.

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Gilly: you and I are on the same page, but Bush is speaking in generalities about North American society, and he’s right

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Well speak for yourself, I DO NOT WANT EVERYTHING. I have a big house but I wanted to raise three kids and as we had both a boy and girls separate bedrooms are a good idea. I do have two vehicles one is now 23 years old and the other is 19 years old. I do not have a 4 wheeler
I can walk, I have a cottage I worked very hard for with overtime done. I only have one TV as its all I can watch at one time.
My wife did not work after 8 years to raise the kids which freed me up to work longer and harder.
I run a credit card and can tell you after 35 years the poor bank has never made a dime in interest from me, period.

Because I am pretty frugal, I was able in the past year to help one daughter buy a home in Edmonton and my son a condo in Mississauga.

So if I can pull this off, how come people think nobody else has managed the same.

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I sincerely apologise Gilly. I should have put a disclaimer at the bottom of my post that clarified my comments were NOT ABOUT GILROY, because as most of us on here know, you are the exception to the rule. I hope you can forgive my errant behaviour?

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I sincerely apologise Gilly. I should have put a disclaimer at the bottom of my post that clarified my comments were NOT ABOUT GILROY, because as most of us on here know, you are the exception to the rule. I hope you can forgive my errant behaviour?

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I think you would be very surprised how many folks are the exception to the rule, I know of several on this very forum who do not go out of their way to waste money and are pretty happy with their lot in life. But you and hunter are right the majority are living beyond their means
on very expensive borrowed money.