Bye, Bye, Olympic- level competitive shooting in Canada

A recent article grabbed my attention, " Gun ban will silence Olympic-level competitive shooting in Canada, advocates fear." With the gun ban it will block those with an interest in competitive shooting from obtaining firearms. Things are truly becoming ridiculous through new legislation that will make little difference to the level of public safety. Guns will continue to enter the country and they seemingly have no way of preventing that from happening. As they do find their way in, they will end up in the hands of those who have little or no firearm training and will may eventually arrive in schools, playgrounds and other public location. Why isn't the public being educate enough so they can learn how to live with firearms, rather than continually being fed attempts to suppress them ? They are not going to go away, and all attempts at suppressing them are making things worst. While many more legitimate gun distributors close their doors, it is broadening the opportunities in the market place for the illegal gun trade. Is our government to blind to see what they are doing, or they hoping to open the door to the American gun culture in this country. The key is to educate the public about firearms rather than attempting to suppression through the use of firearm bans.

You don't stop hunting because you grow o0ld. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.

We stopped educating the public about firearms around 1993 when the Prime Minister Jean Chretien was elected (I hope I have not offended any one by saying his name ;)), Up until then they still taught Hunter safety in some schools in NB and they still did archery and some schools still and 22 practice. Sometime after then Liberals started telling people that firearms were evil.

I still remember when I was a kid pretty much every house hold had at least one firearm, usually either 22 or a shotgun and this was in a residential area not rural.

My Mom use to take her 22 to school in the 1950's and go rabbit hunting at lunch this was in grade six they had to put their guns in the corner of the room, I use to take my 22 or shotgun to high school (kept in my trunk) and go hunting after school, imagine if you went to school with a gun in your car today, I bet the swat team would be there shortly (actually schools will call the Police if you have a pocket knife and you will be banned from that school).

Anyways to depressing to think about what has happened with hunting over the past 30 years.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

We stopped educating the public about firearms around 1993 when the Prime Minister Jean Chretien was elected (I hope I have not offended any one by saying his name ;)), Up until then they still taught Hunter safety in some schools in NB and they still did archery and some schools still and 22 practice. Sometime after then Liberals started telling people that firearms were evil.

I still remember when I was a kid pretty much every house hold had at least one firearm, usually either 22 or a shotgun and this was in a residential area not rural.

My Mom use to take her 22 to school in the 1950's and go rabbit hunting at lunch this was in grade six they had to put their guns in the corner of the room, I use to take my 22 or shotgun to high school (kept in my trunk) and go hunting after school, imagine if you went to school with a gun in your car today, I bet the swat team would be there shortly (actually schools will call the Police if you have a pocket knife and you will be banned from that school).

Anyways to depressing to think about what has happened with hunting over the past 30 years.

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Right ! When the firearm became evil those who owned and used them became evil and were not to be trusted. You could no longer be counted as a law abiding citizen if you owned a firearm. You posed a threat to society, and because you own a gun, you viewed as a potential murder. The criminals had hoards of company. With this Canada became a divide nation. So how will Humpty Dumpy be put back together again?

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

Welcome to the new normal that's what I keep hearing anyway.

I agree we should be more open ,more turkey shoots more public involvement in shooting and understanding the basics along with safe handling.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

We stopped educating the public about firearms around 1993 when the Prime Minister Jean Chretien was elected (I hope I have not offended any one by saying his name ;)), Up until then they still taught Hunter safety in some schools in NB and they still did archery and some schools still and 22 practice. Sometime after then Liberals started telling people that firearms were evil.

I still remember when I was a kid pretty much every house hold had at least one firearm, usually either 22 or a shotgun and this was in a residential area not rural.

My Mom use to take her 22 to school in the 1950's and go rabbit hunting at lunch this was in grade six they had to put their guns in the corner of the room, I use to take my 22 or shotgun to high school (kept in my trunk) and go hunting after school, imagine if you went to school with a gun in your car today, I bet the swat team would be there shortly (actually schools will call the Police if you have a pocket knife and you will be banned from that school).

Anyways to depressing to think about what has happened with hunting over the past 30 years.

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Re: GW’s Momma bringing a gun to school. I went to Sir Sandford Fleming College for F+W back in 84-87. We’d go out for the morning duck shoot, then rush to make classes for 8am. You’d be running down the halls in your camo, carrying your shotgun in a case. It was totally ok to do so as long as it was encased. We’d put our guns in our school locker ! Now they can’t even have an archery club or range on campus. I also remember you could smoke darts in the halls and cafeteria. There would be ashtrays in the halls outside of the classrooms.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

We stopped educating the public about firearms around 1993 when the Prime Minister Jean Chretien was elected (I hope I have not offended any one by saying his name ;)), Up until then they still taught Hunter safety in some schools in NB and they still did archery and some schools still and 22 practice. Sometime after then Liberals started telling people that firearms were evil.

I still remember when I was a kid pretty much every house hold had at least one firearm, usually either 22 or a shotgun and this was in a residential area not rural.

My Mom use to take her 22 to school in the 1950's and go rabbit hunting at lunch this was in grade six they had to put their guns in the corner of the room, I use to take my 22 or shotgun to high school (kept in my trunk) and go hunting after school, imagine if you went to school with a gun in your car today, I bet the swat team would be there shortly (actually schools will call the Police if you have a pocket knife and you will be banned from that school).

Anyways to depressing to think about what has happened with hunting over the past 30 years.

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Yeh I was in a consignment store just yesterday here in the GTA and there were a few books for sale, one of them was a Sears Catalogue from
1976, which happens to be the year I got here.

I pretty well knew there would be rifles in there for sale so flipped through the book and about half way in there was about 6 pages of rifles and shotguns for sale. My Remington 30.06 semi with a Scope included was about $156.00 .

Maybe we need the big retail players to normalise things again.

The graduated loss of defense dollars and civilian firearms privileges in Canada vs the US can be seen in the historical quotes of leadership:

US Presidential Quotes: 1. "The best way to maintain peace is to carry a bigger gun than your neighbors", 2. "Walk softly and carry a big stick"

Canadian Prime Minister Quotes: 1. "The lethal enemy of barbarism isn't hatred, it is reason.", 2. "We have a responsibility to make the case to people about why values matter so much"

These acts by the Liberal government weaken us as a nation, human nature has not changed, conflict will continue as it always has.

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Originally Posted by Marker

The graduated loss of defense dollars and civilian firearms privileges in Canada vs the US can be seen in the historical quotes of leadership:

US Presidential Quotes: 1. "The best way to maintain peace is to carry a bigger gun than your neighbors", 2. "Walk softly and carry a big stick"

Canadian Prime Minister Quotes: 1. "The lethal enemy of barbarism isn't hatred, it is reason.", 2. "We have a responsibility to make the case to people about why values matter so much"

These acts by the Liberal government weaken us as a nation, human nature has not changed, conflict will continue as it always has.

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If your going to quote a person try and get the full context of what was actually said.

"ISIS was not a credible threat to our civilization, he argued, sounding a bit like U.S. President Barack Obama. "The lethal enemy of barbarism isn't hatred. It's reason," he added, sounding a bit like his late father."

"Trudeau does not maintain that ISIS can be defeated without airstrikes, but the prime minister has also not ever mounted an argument specifically against airstrikes. Last month, he told the CBC's Peter Mansbridge he was not morally opposed to bombing campaigns and on Monday he conceded that "there is a role for bombing … particularly in the short term."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/whe...ikes-1.3439325

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

If your going to quote a person try and get the full context of what was actually said.

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You make a good point, I had written some more history on the quotes but thought it got too wordy and distracted from the point I was trying to make, which was the Canadian Governments low support for National defence, both at the federal level and the civilian level.

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You make a good point, I had written some more history on the quotes but thought it got too wordy and distracted from the point I was trying to make, which was the Canadian Governments low support for National defence, both at the federal level and the civilian level.

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I think with the war in Ukraine this particular Canadian Government has woken up, along with the rest of the World. Very happy to see yesterday that Roshel here in Mississauga will be making two Armoured Personnel Carriers for Ukraine per day and that will be getting ramped up pretty quickly.

https://roshel.ca/canadian-shield-ma...y-global-news/

Just imagine if the federal government used the Millions of dollars, they will be spending to steal our guns from us law abiding Canadians to actually fight gun smuggling.

It's really sad that the majority of Canadians don't see the big picture and think JT knows what he is doing! :(

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think with the war in Ukraine this particular Canadian Government has woken up, along with the rest of the World. Very happy to see yesterday that Roshel here in Mississauga will be making two Armoured Personnel Carriers for Ukraine per day and that will be getting ramped up pretty quickly.

https://roshel.ca/canadian-shield-ma...y-global-news/

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We are sending 200 more vehicles to be blown up. Our involvement has been training Ukraine since 2015 they were already woken up. As the rest of the world Saudi ,turkey and Egypt are planning to join the brics nations along with a few others.

Just more billions dollars up in smoke in recent weeks. 400 million in air defense while 0 dollars for our broken health care system lol.. no calls for peace talks just give them everything while we ourselves fall apart.

Trudeau just said we can't biuld the economy o
Untill we fix Climate change.







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Can't the Olympics and sport shooters just use a pellet gun lol.

The government doesn't even acknowledge these people as I pointed out in the bye bye semi thread.


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Originally Posted by fishfood

We are sending 200 more vehicles to be blown up. Our involvement has been training Ukraine since 2015 they were already woken up. As the rest of the world Saudi ,turkey and Egypt are planning to join the brics nations along with a few others.

Just more billions dollars up in smoke in recent weeks. 400 million in air defense while 0 dollars for our broken health care system lol.. no calls for peace talks just give them everything while we ourselves fall apart.

Trudeau just said we can't biuld the economy o
Untill we fix Climate change.







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This is a simplistic argument. That you can’t have one without the other.

That somehow the issues with our health care is somehow related to the conflict in Ukraine or our spending on national defense.

Last year we spend 12% of GDP on healthcare.

We spend about 1.5% on National Defense.

Do you think if we cut our National Defense spend to zero and moved the $ to health care all our problems would go away.

We can have a solid health care and National defense and an environment etc.

It is not 1 or the other.

I better question is why do we spend 1/10 of our total spend and don’t feel we’re getting a good healthcare system.


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We only spent the 12% because of the pandemic.
Since they have taken office it's only gone down hill. With it no better than 3 years ago.
Don't think our donations are part of the military budgets just more tax dollars. Also Didn't think we were in a war? We should of ramped up our military long ago .

About the sport shooters do they have a voice. ? What about the people who just like to plink at a range for an afternoon?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Yeh I was in a consignment store just yesterday here in the GTA and there were a few books for sale, one of them was a Sears Catalogue from
1976, which happens to be the year I got here.

I pretty well knew there would be rifles in there for sale so flipped through the book and about half way in there was about 6 pages of rifles and shotguns for sale. My Remington 30.06 semi with a Scope included was about $156.00 .

Maybe we need the big retail players to normalise things again.

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I would personally like to see us make a few more armoured cars for are own military.

I've been in the TAPV which was purchased to replace our aging fleet of Coyotes. After several extra years of revisions and design changes the breaks still catch on fire.

Our government has no interest in developing anything on the military side unless we can make 400% more than we need and then sell it all off the Saudi Arabia at a loss somehow.

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We only spent the 12% because of the pandemic.
Since they have taken office it's only gone down hill. With it no better than 3 years ago.
Don't think our donations are part of the military budgets just more tax dollars. Also Didn't think we were in a war? We should of ramped up our military long ago .

About the sport shooters do they have a voice. ? What about the people who just like to plink at a range for an afternoon?

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The year before the pandemic health spending was 11.5% of GDP so at best you can argue the government spent one percent more because of the pandemic.

Not sure what your questions are.

Are we currently in a war? No

And I’m not debating the effectiveness of the gun band. I was just replying to your comment, which I always hear, we should spend more on healthcare.

But nobody ever says we should raise taxes to spend more on healthcare, or we should spend less on the on the following items in order to spend more on healthcare.

We already spent one of every ten dollar on healthcare.

How much more money do you think we should dedicated to healthcare?

Should we spent 25% of our entire GDP on healthcare?

As a reference, in 2019 in Finland, Sweden and Norway, where people argue they have a fantastic universal healthcare system, they spent 9% of their GDP on health care.

They also spend more as a percent of GDP on national defense.

Maybe spending more money on the health care system isn’t the answer.


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I would personally like to see us make a few more armoured cars for are own military.

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Me too, but I think the priority should be where folks are dying daily.

Ya, I agree, but we need to spend some money to bulk up our military, things aren’t looking good with Russia or China.

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The year before the pandemic health spending was 11.5% of GDP so at best you can argue the government spent one percent more because of the pandemic.

Not sure what your questions are.

Are we currently in a war? No

And I’m not debating the effectiveness of the gun band. I was just replying to your comment, which I always hear, we should spend more on healthcare.

But nobody ever says we should raise taxes to spend more on healthcare, or we should spend less on the on the following items in order to spend more on healthcare.

We already spent one of every ten dollar on healthcare.

How much more money do you think we should dedicated to healthcare?

Should we spent 25% of our entire GDP on healthcare?

As a reference, in 2019 in Finland, Sweden and Norway, where people argue they have a fantastic universal healthcare system, they spent 9% of their GDP on health care.

They also spend more as a percent of GDP on national defense.

Maybe spending more money on the health care system isn’t the answer.


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We have almost more hospitals then all 3 combined lol. At least 2.5x more than finland alone of course we will spend more just from the land Mass and so spead out.

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Me too, but I think the priority should be where folks are dying daily.

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Like Canada?

You do realize that sending more only ensures more deaths and destruction.


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You guys should form some range days for the public this needs public involvement to inform the public that your guns are safe . It not the guns s used by criminals.

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Originally Posted by acolic

The year before the pandemic health spending was 11.5% of GDP so at best you can argue the government spent one percent more because of the pandemic.

Not sure what your questions are.

Are we currently in a war? No

And I’m not debating the effectiveness of the gun band(even though now I can't really use my nightforce optics with anything). I was just replying to your comment, which I always hear, we should spend more on healthcare.

But nobody ever says we should raise taxes to spend more on healthcare, or we should spend less on the on the following items in order to spend more on healthcare.

We already spent one of every ten dollar on healthcare.

How much more money do you think we should dedicated to healthcare?

Should we spent 25% of our entire GDP on healthcare?

As a reference, in 2019 in Finland, Sweden and Norway, where people argue they have a fantastic universal healthcare system, they spent 9% of their GDP on health care.

They also spend more as a percent of GDP on national defense.

Maybe spending more money on the health care system isn’t the answer.


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Is there any stats for 2022 spending? Couldn't find anything online but my google game is pretty weak to be fair...