A dark day for Canadian democracy ?

So….let’s have a discussion about the findings of the Commission about the use of the Emergencies Act.

my thoughts remain that the use of this Act was completely unjustified and irresponsibly used to silence governments’ critics. After all that we have heard through the inquiry and the media, I feel it’s really disappointing that a supposedly independent inquiry would find this. More than ever it seems like government is not on the side of people.

let’s keep this one on topic and respectful and not give anyone an excuse to lock or delete the thread,

I agree and for the life of me, can't find it again, I read something earlier who was involved in the findings and who ruled that the Emergency Act was ok. The names were listed and relations to trudo just couldn't be denied by any stretch. Talk about a loaded outcome.

Why would anyone be surprised that a Liberal appointed Judge would agree the EA was justified even after reams of testimony was heard from many astute and learned people that it clearly wasn't? Gee,who woulda thunk that?

It’s another idiot show in the long list of poor management.

Some people were punished (still being punished)way too harshly.
Absolutely disgusting.

Derail. Stolen election.

I’m going to agree with the report. The act was required to be used by the feds to put an end to the illegal occupation of Ottawa and elsewhere. If the local police and provincial police could have dispersed the protestors and put an end to the occupation there would have been no need for it. To me it looked like chief Sloly did not live up to his oath of protecting the residents of Ottawa and Doug Ford did next to nothing to help out.
The protestors did themselves no favours with their illegal acts. They made their point in the first week, if they moved on this would have never occurred. They acted like vigilantes and got what they deserved. Just my opinion.

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Why would anyone be surprised that a Liberal appointed Judge would agree the EA was justified even after reams of testimony was heard from many astute and learned people that it clearly wasn't? Gee,who woulda thunk that?

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Yep, I guess I just had more faith in our system….fooled again

IMHO, if the protesters stated their case in the streets of Ottawa and then went home at the end of the day, this would not have even been a blip in the media. Protests are not remembered a week later as they are an everyday occurrence in many capital cities. People, whether you think it is right or wrong, do not give a crap about any causes unless they are inconvenienced. This is the big reason strikers set up informational picket lines to get their message out to the public, instead of maybe just writing a note on Twitter and hoping for anything more then lip service from the general public that would otherwise go about their daily business unaffected by others plight.
I read a good sig line on someones' avatar that has always stuck with me.
There are 4 boxes to a democracy:
1 soap box
2 ballot box
3 jury box
4 ammo box
The government, I believe unlawfully but that is just my opinion and what a few million other citizens think, jumped #2 and went right to #3. We need to go back to step #2 and right a wrong.
John

Birdbuff: …..”like vigilantes”….please explain further ?

I saw people exercising their right to peaceful protest, and yes it was an inconvenience to the people of Ottawa. Freedom has costs.

Let’s not forget about the major national news story that went away as soon as Covid broke….remember the native protests that occupied the railways and threatened to put a big dent in the economy ? Remember Trudeau vigorously defending THEIR RIGHT to protest ??

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I’m going to agree with the report. The act was required to be used by the feds to put an end to the illegal occupation of Ottawa and elsewhere. If the local police and provincial police could have dispersed the protestors and put an end to the occupation there would have been no need for it. To me it looked like chief Sloly did not live up to his oath of protecting the residents of Ottawa and Doug Ford did next to nothing to help out.
The protestors did themselves no favours with their illegal acts. They made their point in the first week, if they moved on this would have never occurred. They acted like vigilantes and got what they deserved. Just my opinion.

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Totally agree with your entire post and so do the majority of law abiding citizens in Canada.

This was far beyond any peaceful protest I ever policed and I have been to hundreds.

It was not mean to be a peaceful protest.

For those complaining about the EVENTUAL treatment of the occupiers of Ottawa,Windsor, Coates, lets have a little comparison on what what happened in Toronto when Mr Harper decided to have his G7 summit.

Hundreds of PEACEFUL PROTETERS kettled and arrested and abused by the police on the first day of the summit.

We did not hear a single complaint from THE RIGHT about this abuse by the authorities.

We did learn a few things, Premier Ford was a coward as he did not wish to reign in his own support base.
Police Services are nowadays inept and run by paper pushers who have never been street cops.

We know that the right in this country have followed the lead from the USA in this occupation and that is a bad thing.

The best outcome of course will be felt in the next general election, Mr Poilievre who has STRANGLEY been very, very quiet on this matter will be paying a big price for his support of the occupiers.

Who could possibly trust this guy to be a PM when he walked and supported this mob.

Thanks Pierre for giving Justin all the Ottawa votes, votes from law abiding citizens in Windsor, parts of Alberta.

Canadians are a pretty forgiving lot but you van bet your bottom dollar this occupation and end result will be top and centre in the next election cycle, with all the opposition piling onto PP.

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Birdbuff: …..”like vigilantes”….please explain further ?

I saw people exercising their right to peaceful protest, and yes it was an inconvenience to the people of Ottawa. Freedom has costs.

Let’s not forget about the major national news story that went away as soon as Covid broke….remember the native protests that occupied the railways and threatened to put a big dent in the economy ? Remember Trudeau vigorously defending THEIR RIGHT to protest ??

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So I suppose when the radical LEFT decide to stage the same nonsense, close down borders, descend upon Calgary some 10,000 strong from Toronto and Ottawa, take the POLICING resources from all across the Country and leave folks with no protection, you will be OK with this.

Not to mention ten's of millions of dollars wasted for the policing and in trade.

They will stay in Calgary for seven weeks in close down that entire City and dis turbe the lives of its citizens.

THE PARTY OF LAW AND ORDER INDEED?

This occupation was designed to try and embarrass the Prime Minister instead it cost the average Canadian much loss in trade and tourism and reputation.

If anybody think's for a New York minute that Justine Trudeau has lost political support from his normal supporters your dead wrong and I will bet he has gained support from moderate's in this country just on this issue.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/majo...rvey-1.6057140

Jt has complete support from ccp.

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So I suppose when the radical LEFT decide to stage the same nonsense, close down borders, descend upon Calgary some 10,000 strong from Toronto and Ottawa, take the POLICING resources from all across the Country and leave folks with no protection, you will be OK with this.

Not to mention ten's of millions of dollars wasted for the policing and in trade.

They will stay in Calgary for seven weeks in close down that entire City and dis turbe the lives of its citizens.

THE PARTY OF LAW AND ORDER INDEED?

This occupation was designed to try and embarrass the Prime Minister instead it cost the average Canadian much loss in trade and tourism and reputation.

If anybody think's for a New York minute that Justine Trudeau has lost political support from his normal supporters your dead wrong and I will bet he has gained support from moderate's in this country just on this issue.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/majo...rvey-1.6057140

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Lol, it’s a bit hypocritical to take your stance considering your party supports BLM which burns, loots, and kills people and vandalized public property. As to the majority of Canadians not agreeing with the protest, I guess we’ll see in the next election, ( if it’s honest)

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Totally agree with your entire post and so do the majority of law abiding citizens in Canada.

This was far beyond any peaceful protest I ever policed and I have been to hundreds.

It was not mean to be a peaceful protest.

For those complaining about the EVENTUAL treatment of the occupiers of Ottawa,Windsor, Coates, lets have a little comparison on what what happened in Toronto when Mr Harper decided to have his G7 summit.

Hundreds of PEACEFUL PROTETERS kettled and arrested and abused by the police on the first day of the summit.

We did not hear a single complaint from THE RIGHT about this abuse by the authorities.

We did learn a few things, Premier Ford was a coward as he did not wish to reign in his own support base.
Police Services are nowadays inept and run by paper pushers who have never been street cops.

We know that the right in this country have followed the lead from the USA in this occupation and that is a bad thing.

The best outcome of course will be felt in the next general election, Mr Poilievre who has STRANGLEY been very, very quiet on this matter will be paying a big price for his support of the occupiers.

Who could possibly trust this guy to be a PM when he walked and supported this mob.

Thanks Pierre for giving Justin all the Ottawa votes, votes from law abiding citizens in Windsor, parts of Alberta.

Canadians are a pretty forgiving lot but you van bet your bottom dollar this occupation and end result will be top and centre in the next election cycle, with all the opposition piling onto PP.

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BTW, didn’t know you where a cop, respect to that.

Imposing the federal legislation was unnecessary. The police had more than sufficient authority to clear the protestors. The Ambassador Bridge blockade, a far more serious disruption, ended without the need for federal help.

Nevertheless, the commission has lowered the bar for when this Act can be used. The Liberals gushing over the commission report should keep this in mind when their party is no longer in power.

Totally unnecessary use of the EA. All this would of been avoided if the PM silly socks would of taken the decency to talk to the protesters.......but instead he would rather take a knee at a BLM protest! It's a very sad day in Canadian history when our own government decides to seize bank accounts of peaceful protesters.

I think we all have a very different opinion on what peaceful protesting actually means.

It was actually very peaceful for the time running and arrest made was very little compared to some others.

Did they need to use the emergency act no probably not.


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I think we all have a very different opinion on what peaceful protesting actually means.

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I did not follow these happenings much(not watching news just about nowhere) and there is this debate -can you please help out by mentioning few of those non peaceful acts happened in Ottawa, thanx

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I did not follow these happenings much(not watching news just about nowhere) and there is this debate -can you please help out by mentioning few of those non peaceful acts happened in Ottawa, thanx

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OK, how about the following:

1. Completely blocking traffic on a municipal road ( HTA).
2. Disobeying municipal noise by-laws ( City of Ottawa).
3. Criminal harrassment of those who attended downtown who did not support their message ( Those who chose to walk down Wellington, Slater, etc wearing masks).
4. Disobey court order.
5. Criminal trespass ( Rideau Center, which was forced to close, putting close to 200 people out of work for the duration).

Do not confuse apathy on behalf of law enforcement with legality.

IF, the convoy protesters had stayed on point about message, then it might have had more credibility. However, the organizers chose to allow hangers on, and the disenfranchised to join...creating an environment of chaos, and lack of credibility.

By contrast, look at the tractor convoy that occurred several years ago under Harper.

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Lol, it’s a bit hypocritical to take your stance considering your party supports BLM which burns, loots, and kills people and vandalized public property. As to the majority of Canadians not agreeing with the protest, I guess we’ll see in the next election, ( if it’s honest)

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The right is always good, the next election will be OK if we win it only. LOL BLM are supported by many more in Canada than the Liberal party, but lets hear about all this looting and killing taking place in Canada. If your talking about America then BLM has been vindicated many times over and police officer's and civilians taking the law into their own hands are getting jailed every day and tens of millions of dollars rewarded to the families of "murdered black citizens" . You really should tune into some MSM outlets and hear and see this for yourself.

You will also hear about white supremacists getting jailed for trying to kill Michigan's Governor to folks who stormed the Capitol.

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BTW, didn’t know you where a cop, respect to that.

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Yup and I also worked alongside Billy Blair. LOL

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Imposing the federal legislation was unnecessary. The police had more than sufficient authority to clear the protestors. The Ambassador Bridge blockade, a far more serious disruption, ended without the need for federal help.

Nevertheless, the commission has lowered the bar for when this Act can be used. The Liberals gushing over the commission report should keep this in mind when their party is no longer in power.

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They may have had sufficient authority but they did not have the resources OR Political direction.

The Police are the Public and the Public are the Police. (Sir Robert Peel)

You had Provincial Premiers all across this country afraid of their own Political base and who were FROZEN WITH FEAR and would not or could not make a decision.

This was probably solved when president Biden got on the telephone and told Trudeau to get this resolved and suddenly everybody fell in line.

Considering the vaccine mandates enlarged this occupation Trudeau should have gathered all the Premiers and held them responsible for all the individual loss of freedoms imposed on citizens.

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Totally unnecessary use of the EA. All this would of been avoided if the PM silly socks would of taken the decency to talk to the protesters.......but instead he would rather take a knee at a BLM protest! It's a very sad day in Canadian history when our own government decides to seize bank accounts of peaceful protesters.

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As the Commissioner has stated in his report "the protesters did not want to be heard they wanted to be obeyed" that was not happening.

Bank accounts were seized as foreign actors including Capitol Insurrectionists were sending money into Canada to help destroy our rule of law as they tried in the USA.

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It was actually very peaceful for the time running and arrest made was very little compared to some others.

Did they need to use the emergency act no probably not.


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You probably would not be saying that if you were an RCMP officer the targeted for murder or a citizen of Ottawa held hostage.

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OK, how about the following:

1. Completely blocking traffic on a municipal road ( HTA).
2. Disobeying municipal noise by-laws ( City of Ottawa).
3. Criminal harrassment of those who attended downtown who did not support their message ( Those who chose to walk down Wellington, Slater, etc wearing masks).
4. Disobey court order.
5. Criminal trespass ( Rideau Center, which was forced to close, putting close to 200 people out of work for the duration).

Do not confuse apathy on behalf of law enforcement with legality.

IF, the convoy protesters had stayed on point about message, then it might have had more credibility. However, the organizers chose to allow hangers on, and the disenfranchised to join...creating an environment of chaos, and lack of credibility.

By contrast, look at the tractor convoy that occurred several years ago under Harper.

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Let me also add the catche of weapons found and the intended targets being RCMP officers.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...outts-blockade

Let me add the criminal history of some of the so called organisers Tamara Lich and Pat King, a couple of self serving petty criminals living the high life of the donations sent to the protesters. Things were good for them until they got locked up and their credibility trashed under cross examination both at their own criminal hearing's and in front of the Commissioner. Any law abiding citizen in Canada should be ashamed to have associated themselves with some of these characters.

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I did not follow these happenings much(not watching news just about nowhere) and there is this debate -can you please help out by mentioning few of those non peaceful acts happened in Ottawa, thanx

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Seeing as you did not watch much news maybe you could also look at the unlawful acts happening in Alberta and at the Windsor border and Coutts.

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I think we all have a very different opinion on what peaceful protesting actually means.

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Fortunately we do not follow opinions to get our own way we are required to follow the law or we would have anarchy. Plenty of stated law from the past to view on this subject.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sj...eck/art2c.html

Some past great Canadian protest.
Don't think was happening in Ottawa or it would of turned into a war zone.

https://youtu.be/B_Y_Ao0Bo_U

https://youtu.be/zoRXy-Y9v1E

And the blm crew that we are supposed to respect.
https://youtu.be/gifDHJ3wsIg

Instead in Ottawa they shoveled the walk ways played hockey and fed the homeless. Sang and danced all while becing ignored and demonized by our mainstream media.

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Yup and I also worked alongside Billy Blair. LOL

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I will point out, you don’t share the same views as all the cops there, I’m friends with several. Was there some bad apples in the group of protesters sure, but those were a minority not a majority. I personally witnessed the man with the swastika get told to leave by protesters.

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Instead in Ottawa they shoveled the walk ways played hockey and fed the homeless. Sang and danced all while becing ignored and demonized by our mainstream media.

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Yup they shoveled the walk ways played hockey and fed the homeless. Sang and danced all while being ignored and demonized by our mainstream media.
While also blocking roads, harassing businesses, stealing food from the homeless. All the while demonizing mainstream media trying to cover the event. Guess its all about what you want to see or don't want to see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrBrcvUoyY

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BTW, didn’t know you where a cop, respect to that.

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and served in the MOST difficult parts of Toronto. Respect earned.

Democracy and freedom are both pillars of a free country, as are the laws brought about and changed through the centuries to fit modern-day needs. Some laws are antiqued and the process to change them can sometimes be at a glacial speed. The government however does have at its' disposal the right to suspend these laws when or if they feel they need them. Even the inquiry that was chaired by a liberal appointee did not fully support what the liberals did with the War Measures Act, but that was to be expected.
Laws are there to protect, and it is not up to the government to decide which ones they think they can sweep under the rug to fit their "woke" agenda. 1 glaring example is to look into the number of Catholic churches which were victimized by arson in the last 5 years in Canada. The number is triple digits if anyone even cares. The number of suspects arrested........yup. If those were city halls, police stations, schools, anything else do you think it would be swept under the rug?
Woke has gone too far and the Karens are running the asylum.
Just my opinion.
John

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OK, how about the following:

1. Completely blocking traffic on a municipal road ( HTA).
2. Disobeying municipal noise by-laws ( City of Ottawa).
3. Criminal harrassment of those who attended downtown who did not support their message ( Those who chose to walk down Wellington, Slater, etc wearing masks).
4. Disobey court order.
5. Criminal trespass ( Rideau Center, which was forced to close, putting close to 200 people out of work for the duration).

Do not confuse apathy on behalf of law enforcement with legality.

IF, the convoy protesters had stayed on point about message, then it might have had more credibility. However, the organizers chose to allow hangers on, and the disenfranchised to join...creating an environment of chaos, and lack of credibility.

By contrast, look at the tractor convoy that occurred several years ago under Harper.

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Thanx Bluebulldog-i was honestly thinking about "peacefulness"of the protest or the lack of it ......stated by Birdbuff......I am not sure,if any of from your list meets the "lack of peacefulness "definition?
Unlawful maybe-but not peacefull?


Result of a quick query:
What is the definition of a peaceful protest in Canada?
According to Canadian case law, assemblies cease to be peaceful when people begin rioting or when gatherings seriously disturb the peace.

They may be in the wrong in: The right to assembly also does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities........but that is different chapter,then not being peacefull.

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Thanx Bluebulldog-i was honestly thinking about "peacefulness"of the protest or the lack of it ......stated by Birdbuff......I am not sure,if any of from your list meets the "lack of peacefulness "definition?
Unlawful maybe-but not peacefull?


Result of a quick query:
What is the definition of a peaceful protest in Canada?
According to Canadian case law, assemblies cease to be peaceful when people begin rioting or when gatherings seriously disturb the peace.

They may be in the wrong in: The right to assembly also does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities........but that is different chapter,then not being peacefull.

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When a court orders the collective protest to cease blowing air horns etc during late and early hours....that then meets the definition of not keeping the peace.

Alternately, you are being far too literal in your interpretation of the word "peaceful".

When a person is issued a "peace bond", they are required to "keep the peace", meaning, not to conduct anything unlawful to society. ( For the record, this is also while LEOs are known as "peace officers").

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Seeing as you did not watch much news maybe you could also look at the unlawful acts happening in Alberta and at the Windsor border and Coutts.

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Thanx Gilroy-however why we do not stay on the topic (for me at least) i was actually enquiring about - the protesters not being peaceful.
In Ottawa.

Not lawful or unlawful-but peaceful or not.

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Thanx Gilroy-however why we do not stay on the topic (for me at least) i was actually enquiring about - the protesters not being peaceful.
In Ottawa.

Not lawful or unlawful-but peaceful or not.

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Again, you are being far too literal.

KEEPING THE PEACE Definition & Legal Meaning
Definition & Citations:

the term that means to maintain public order and to prevent violence and other unlawful behaviour.

So no. The protest in Ottawa ceased to be "peaceful" the minute laws were broken.

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Result of a quick query:
What is the definition of a peaceful protest in Canada?
According to Canadian case law, assemblies cease to be peaceful when people begin rioting or when gatherings seriously disturb the peace.

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Hard to listen to it for 2 minutes can't imagine 24/7. Would you agree this is disturbing the peace?
https://youtu.be/8yCvN3TAD74

There's absolutely no doubt that many minor laws and bylaws were broken within minutes of the arrival of the protestors from impeding traffic to cause disturbance with unnecessary noise and rowdy behavior just for starters. I've read most of Mr. Justice Rouleau's decision. By reading between the lines, I get the distinct impression that he was exceedingly uncomfortable coming to those conclusions,but,was unwilling to "rock the boat" with The Liberal Party of Canada. This tells me two things....that he's a staunch supporter who disagrees with the party line and,also,this was a purely partisan decision. As such,it is what it is and there isn't a whole lot we can do about it other than recognize that enacting the Emergencies Act was likely legal,but,the question will remain forever with the vast majority of Canadians if it was,in fact,necessary. I guess we'll see after the next election won't we?

The protest was certainly not "peaceful" but on the scale of protests in Canada it was not wildly violent either. Far more serious protests have been met and defeated under current legislation and the federal emergencies act was entirely unnecessary.

When the War Measures Act was used in1970 it was in the face of a serious terrorist threat that included kidnappings, murder and bombings. To use the current version of the legislation for a bunch of loud-mouthed yahoos in central Ottawa goes far beyond the original purpose of the legislation.

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The protest was certainly not "peaceful" but on the scale of protests in Canada it was not wildly violent either. Far more serious protests have been met and defeated under current legislation and the federal emergencies act was entirely unnecessary.

When the War Measures Act was used in1970 it was in the face of a serious terrorist threat that included kidnappings, murder and bombings. To use the current version of the legislation for a bunch of loud-mouthed yahoos in central Ottawa goes far beyond the original purpose of the legislation.

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I can agree that it was not necessary IF the local and provincial police could have taken care of the situation. It became clear after a week that they could not and were being embarrassed by the protestors (gas can fiasco). So why the shortcomings with the Ottawa police and the OPP?

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I can agree that it was not necessary IF the local and provincial police could have taken care of the situation. It became clear after a week that they could not and were being embarrassed by the protestors (gas can fiasco). So why the shortcomings with the Ottawa police and the OPP?

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The more pressing issue for the OPP was the Ambassador Bridge blockage which was cleared before the federal act was imposed. Reopening one Canada's vital trade links was vastly more important than pampered residents in the Glebe being inconvenienced because they couldn't sip a latte at their favourite Wellington Street bistro.

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I will point out, you don’t share the same views as all the cops there, I’m friends with several. Was there some bad apples in the group of protesters sure, but those were a minority not a majority. I personally witnessed the man with the swastika get told to leave by protesters.

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Cops can have their own views but the bottom line is that you are required to follow "lawful orders" . There was a time when officers could not hold or even attempt to hold political offices for good reason, they would not be impartial.

I agree that the bad actors were in a minority but there was a large enough contingent of them to cause the mess across the Nation and Capital and they stayed way to long therefore losing the support of the average Canadian.

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I can agree that it was not necessary IF the local and provincial police could have taken care of the situation. It became clear after a week that they could not and were being embarrassed by the protestors (gas can fiasco). So why the shortcomings with the Ottawa police and the OPP?

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Well pretty simple Chief Peter Sloly came up through the ranks mainly in administrative positions as opposed to a guy like Chief Billy Blair who was not only a great administrator but had been an excellent street Cop, undercover drugs officer and well respected. When you ask an administrator to take on a task like the protest he went right back on his only experience, pushing paper.

If Billy Blair had been put in charge of this protest he would have know exactly what to do, prepared a plan week's before their arrival and had most of them locked up before the end of the first weekend.

The OPP dragged their heels because Doug Ford seemed to be having some sort of crisis of confidence and they did not get their marching orders until way to late.

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The more pressing issue for the OPP was the Ambassador Bridge blockage which was cleared before the federal act was imposed. Reopening one Canada's vital trade links was vastly more important than pampered residents in the Glebe being inconvenienced because they couldn't sip a latte at their favourite Wellington Street bistro.

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Well the great thing about democracy is that those latte sipping folks who you assess were "inconvenienced" get a vote in the next election, along with all the other latte sippers across the country.

So the big question here is "has Justin Trudeau lost support across this nation by evoking this act " IMHO he has not but probably has gained support.

Pretty sure you will get to enjoy seeing numerous re runs of these occupiers on Political ad's in the next election and the Pierre walking with them for a coffee as they were taking over the City.

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The protest was certainly not "peaceful" but on the scale of protests in Canada it was not wildly violent either. Far more serious protests have been met and defeated under current legislation and the federal emergencies act was entirely unnecessary.

When the War Measures Act was used in1970 it was in the face of a serious terrorist threat that included kidnappings, murder and bombings. To use the current version of the legislation for a bunch of loud-mouthed yahoos in central Ottawa goes far beyond the original purpose of the legislation.

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I can agree wholeheartedly with this.

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Well pretty simple Chief Peter Sloly came up through the ranks mainly in administrative positions as opposed to a guy like Chief Billy Blair who was not only a great administrator but had been an excellent street Cop, undercover drugs officer and well respected. When you ask an administrator to take on a task like the protest he went right back on his only experience, pushing paper.

If Billy Blair had been put in charge of this protest he would have know exactly what to do, prepared a plan week's before their arrival and had most of them locked up before the end of the first weekend.

The OPP dragged their heels because Doug Ford seemed to be having some sort of crisis of confidence and they did not get their marching orders until way to late.

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My suspicion is that Doug being a conservative might have dragged his heels to allow chaos to fester and drag the federal liberals through the mud a bit. All in an attempt to help out his federal conservative colleagues’ position. Political games really.

Dougy stayed out of it.

Trudeau said we all have a right to protest unless they disagree with what it's about. They didn't agree so it was unacceptable.

Can only protest if they think it's right.

Remember they were fringe ,misogynist, extremists and racist with unacceptable views. Non science believers before they even got to town.

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After all this discussion the bottom line to me would be HOW LONG SHOULD IT HAVE LASTED?

Does not matter if this Act was evoked or existing Criminal Code, Provincial Laws being used for their removal.

How long should a City or Border town have to suffer in this manner.

The answer to that is "not indefinitely" and that is why the majority of Canadian's I believe wanted to see an end to this.

Had they stayed in downtown Ottawa and still had funding coming in, every homeless person in Canada would have flocked there for a good old party paid for by others, we already saw that in evidence from some of the characters who who had camped out.

I have other nightmare scenarios where a group of Ottawa citizens banded together and took the law into their own hands, stationery parked vehicles mostly unattended would have been easy targets, thank goodness it never came to that.

Perhaps that was on the minds of the Cabinet also when making their decisions?

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After all this discussion the bottom line to me would be HOW LONG SHOULD IT HAVE LASTED?

Does not matter if this Act was evoked or existing Criminal Code, Provincial Laws being used for their removal.

How long should a City or Border town have to suffer in this manner.

The answer to that is "not indefinitely" and that is why the majority of Canadian's I believe wanted to see an end to this.

Had they stayed in downtown Ottawa and still had funding coming in, every homeless person in Canada would have flocked there for a good old party paid for by others, we already saw that in evidence from some of the characters who who had camped out.

I have other nightmare scenarios where a group of Ottawa citizens banded together and took the law into their own hands, stationery parked vehicles mostly unattended would have been easy targets, thank goodness it never came to that.

Perhaps that was on the minds of the Cabinet also when making their decisions?

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So how long should the rail blockade have lasted? Why wasn't the EA used in that scenario.......

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Originally Posted by huntervinni

So how long should the rail blockade have lasted? Why wasn't the EA used in that scenario.......

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Nope,nope,no,no,no, that would be racist.

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Originally Posted by huntervinni

So how long should the rail blockade have lasted? Why wasn't the EA used in that scenario.......

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No comparison between these two events and if memory serves me the rail blockade did not have the same scope, did not last as long and did not have the number of participants.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Nope,nope,no,no,no, that would be racist.

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Once you come to the realisation that in these cases Canada is negotiating with another Sovereign Nation you will understand.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

No comparison between these two events and if memory serves me the rail blockade did not have the same scope, did not last as long and did not have the number of participants.

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It did have armed individuals openly showing prohibited firearms. I recall a video of several Natives with ak47s. Imagine what would happen of the protesters in Ottawa did that.

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Originally Posted by hunter06

It did have armed individuals openly showing prohibited firearms. I recall a video of several Natives with ak47s. Imagine what would happen of the protesters in Ottawa did that.

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I guess we would have to see the video you refer to and then look at the law in relation to their possession of such.


Maybe its this one but I think its the RCMP with all the assault weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aljg-k4vLJo

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I guess we would have to see the video you refer to and then look at the law in relation to their possession of such.


Maybe its this one but I think its the RCMP with all the assault weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aljg-k4vLJo

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Will try to find it for ya.

https://twitter.com/nada88564211/sta...IYpKOpBFbbGN3w

I am disappointed in popping back on here to see what amounts to a complete lack of awareness or growth on the part of those who were so viciously in support of all the nonsensical tyranny for the past few years. A lengthy thread of heartfelt repentance, serious reflection, and gushing apologies would only be a start – a bare minimum.

So while I am reluctant to further participate, I will nevertheless proceed to shut down the ridiculous "it was justified" claims some have espoused in this thread. The truth is important.

This was objectively the largest and most peaceful human rights protest in our lifetime, despite what the out of touch boomers and young blue haired Taliban claim. Those who participated in the various freedom convoy gatherings, whether in their own towns on the side of the highway or in Ottawa can attest to the friendliness, positivity and yes even diversity of participants. Standing outside in -25 do what was right. It was our Country’s finest moment in a long, long time. Simple as.

Yet according to our PM (and bolstered by MSM, who are in his pocket) these were the most vile people on the planet, who should not even be “tolerated.”

The claims of traffic being blocked were overblown. Things were actually quite efficient.

Also, traffic going where? People couldn't travel or work. We kept getting locked down. Those who supported the restrictions are so concerned about the free movement of citizens all of a sudden lol.

The claims of violence were untrue. Ottawa building arson hoax, etc.

Interactions with locals and local police were great. Most police supported the event.

What, precisely, was “illegal” about the protest? At worst, there were some parking infractions, which is in the realm of bylaw. But this somehow justifies the use of the emergencies act according to the covid jihadists and blue haired Taliban.

As Badenoch stated, the border crossing was cleared very rapidly and it was hardly a siege or “Assault on precinct 13” like the MSM made it out to be.

Funny how temporarily “blocking trade” was such a concern for these people but they didn't object to the economic impacts of unvaccinated truckers being unable to cross borders and all the businesses that were lost. There were other border crossings in Canada that remained open and unaffected by the extremely short inconvenience for the Ambassador Bridge.

The “bad actors” angle is a totally ridiculous non-starter. We know governments infiltrate and stage false flags (including literal flags, in the case of Ottawa) all the time, and they were frantically trying to discredit both the organizers and the attendees with every typical slur in the liberal playbook. The FBI is arresting parents for objecting to drag queen story time, a woman was arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion center, the CIA has conducted many evil experiments, and so on. The USA blew up the Nordstream pipeline. One of the largest chemical spills in recent history just occurred with almost no media coverage. It’s ok…the government says the air is 100% safe & effective so I guess there’s nothing to worry about! Let’s waste more money on diversity hires like Pete Buttigieg so he can “fight the structural racism of bridges and highways”. Lol. Let’s give another 100 billion of our tax dollars to Ukraine, while our infrastructure is crumbling and veterans are suffering. Imagine bleeding out on a battlefield for the liberal regime defending drag queen story time? Now that Pfizer is feeling some heat and more corruption is getting exposed, we’re all supposed to be distracted with balloons and aliens invasions. Everything is staged, simulated, bought and overly politicized. Things are so upside down and overtly satanic that when an actual organic movement like this develops the leftist MSM must take control of the narrative and force it in a direction that benefits them. The propaganda is so desperate and predictable. Don’t be fooled.

This was all covered ad naseum previously, mostly by members who have left the forum. The fact that the protest is still being debated – or viewed with even the smallest amount of derision -- is beyond absurd. There should only be those who were always in support and those who now wish they were.

As others have mentioned, the same people complaining about this are those who were silent while natives committed actual terrorism with the rail blockades. They were silent when statues were toppled by violent mobs and our history is erased by spoiled wannabe socialist brats, who are openly and proudly racist against whites. They are silent when children are mutilated irreversibly en masse. They were silent when major cities burned for over a year and Capitol Hill Seattle was under siege for 23 consecutive days, becoming a violent autonomous zone ruled over by a criminal with an AK-47. They were silent when dozens of innocent lives were lost and billions in damage occurred from "mostly peaceful" BLM riots that were encouraged at every turn by the liberals and democrats. They are silent on the huge increase in violent crime in our cities, despite the brilliant idea of banning handguns for our safety. They are silent when a liberal judge admitted to releasing OPP killer Randall Mackenzie simply because he was Native. They are silent on new proposed bills to censor our freedom of speech. They are silent when thousands of illegal migrants cross our borders. They were silent when thousands of young girls were brutally raped and abused by Muslim grooming gangs in the UK. They were silent when 70 churches burned across the country. They were silent when men began humiliating and severely injuring women in women’s sports under the clown world banner of progressivism. They were silent when honest, hard working Canadians had their bank accounts frozen for the crime of donating $10 to a cause that Trudeau didn't like.

And of course they were silent during 3 years of ridiculous mandates that have all been proven to be completely useless and unscientific. The only noise they made was for more government overreach and for the increased mistreatment of those who dared to use their brains. Fire them! Shame them! Ban them! Deny them medical care! Send them to quarantine camps! Now that there are so many adverse reactions happening, one’s vaccination status is suddenly no longer anyone’s business…after they spent years virtue signaling on social media posting themselves getting jabbed.

It’s beyond ironic how the upper class wannabe communist lefties longing for some sort of proletariat uprising against tyrannical rulers have it actually happen in Ottawa, and then saying “no not like that! Eww they are all icky blue collar white people!”

We tried to warn you of the impending woke lunacy. But we’re just a fringe minority with unacceptable views, who should not be tolerated.

So for those championing this ridiculous verdict, that even the judge himself didn’t believe (“I understand how reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion from the one I arrived at…”) there is absolutely no intellectual, ethical or moral leg to stand on at all when your own house is in such pathetic disarray. It’s like trying to enroll in advanced postgraduate physics when you haven’t even completed an elementary school science lesson.

In the words of comedian Sebastian Maniscalco: “aren’t you embarrassed?”

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

I am disappointed in popping back on here to see what amounts to a complete lack of awareness or growth on the part of those who were so viciously in support of all the nonsensical tyranny for the past few years. A lengthy thread of heartfelt repentance, serious reflection, and gushing apologies would only be a start – a bare minimum.

So while I am reluctant to further participate, I will nevertheless proceed to shut down the ridiculous "it was justified" claims some have espoused in this thread. The truth is important.

This was objectively the largest and most peaceful human rights protest in our lifetime, despite what the out of touch boomers and young blue haired Taliban claim. Those who participated in the various freedom convoy gatherings, whether in their own towns on the side of the highway or in Ottawa can attest to the friendliness, positivity and yes even diversity of participants. Standing outside in -25 do what was right. It was our Country’s finest moment in a long, long time. Simple as.

Yet according to our PM (and bolstered by MSM, who are in his pocket) these were the most vile people on the planet, who should not even be “tolerated.”

The claims of traffic being blocked were overblown. Things were actually quite efficient.

Also, traffic going where? People couldn't travel or work. We kept getting locked down. Those who supported the restrictions are so concerned about the free movement of citizens all of a sudden lol.

The claims of violence were untrue. Ottawa building arson hoax, etc.

Interactions with locals and local police were great. Most police supported the event.

What, precisely, was “illegal” about the protest? At worst, there were some parking infractions, which is in the realm of bylaw. But this somehow justifies the use of the emergencies act according to the covid jihadists and blue haired Taliban.

As Badenoch stated, the border crossing was cleared very rapidly and it was hardly a siege or “Assault on precinct 13” like the MSM made it out to be.

Funny how temporarily “blocking trade” was such a concern for these people but they didn't object to the economic impacts of unvaccinated truckers being unable to cross borders and all the businesses that were lost. There were other border crossings in Canada that remained open and unaffected by the extremely short inconvenience for the Ambassador Bridge.

The “bad actors” angle is a totally ridiculous non-starter. We know governments infiltrate and stage false flags (including literal flags, in the case of Ottawa) all the time, and they were frantically trying to discredit both the organizers and the attendees with every typical slur in the liberal playbook. The FBI is arresting parents for objecting to drag queen story time, a woman was arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion center, the CIA has conducted many evil experiments, and so on. The USA blew up the Nordstream pipeline. One of the largest chemical spills in recent history just occurred with almost no media coverage. It’s ok…the government says the air is 100% safe & effective so I guess there’s nothing to worry about! Let’s waste more money on diversity hires like Pete Buttigieg so he can “fight the structural racism of bridges and highways”. Lol. Let’s give another 100 billion of our tax dollars to Ukraine, while our infrastructure is crumbling and veterans are suffering. Imagine bleeding out on a battlefield for the liberal regime defending drag queen story time? Now that Pfizer is feeling some heat and more corruption is getting exposed, we’re all supposed to be distracted with balloons and aliens invasions. Everything is staged, simulated, bought and overly politicized. Things are so upside down and overtly satanic that when an actual organic movement like this develops the leftist MSM must take control of the narrative and force it in a direction that benefits them. The propaganda is so desperate and predictable. Don’t be fooled.

This was all covered ad naseum previously, mostly by members who have left the forum. The fact that the protest is still being debated – or viewed with even the smallest amount of derision -- is beyond absurd. There should only be those who were always in support and those who now wish they were.

As others have mentioned, the same people complaining about this are those who were silent while natives committed actual terrorism with the rail blockades. They were silent when statues were toppled by violent mobs and our history is erased by spoiled wannabe socialist brats, who are openly and proudly racist against whites. They are silent when children are mutilated irreversibly en masse. They were silent when major cities burned for over a year and Capitol Hill Seattle was under siege for 23 consecutive days, becoming a violent autonomous zone ruled over by a criminal with an AK-47. They were silent when dozens of innocent lives were lost and billions in damage occurred from "mostly peaceful" BLM riots that were encouraged at every turn by the liberals and democrats. They are silent on the huge increase in violent crime in our cities, despite the brilliant idea of banning handguns for our safety. They are silent when a liberal judge admitted to releasing OPP killer Randall Mackenzie simply because he was Native. They are silent on new proposed bills to censor our freedom of speech. They are silent when thousands of illegal migrants cross our borders. They were silent when thousands of young girls were brutally raped and abused by Muslim grooming gangs in the UK. They were silent when 70 churches burned across the country. They were silent when men began humiliating and severely injuring women in women’s sports under the clown world banner of progressivism.

And of course they were silent during 3 years of ridiculous mandates that have all been proven to be completely useless and unscientific. The only noise they made was form more government overreach and for the increased mistreatment of those who dared to use their brains. Fire them! Shame them! Ban them! Deny them medical care! Send them to quarantine camps! Now that there are so many adverse reactions happening, one’s vaccination status is suddenly no longer anyone’s business…after they spent years virtue signaling on social media posting themselves getting jabbed.

It’s beyond ironic how the lefties longing for some sort of proletariat uprising against tyrannical rulers have it actually happen in Ottawa, and then saying “no not like that! Eww they are all icky blue collar white people!”

We tried to warn you of the impending woke lunacy. But we’re just a fringe minority with unacceptable views, who should not be tolerated.

So for those championing this ridiculous verdict, that even the judge himself didn’t believe (“I understand how reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion from the one I arrived at…”) there is absolutely no intellectual, ethical or moral leg to stand on at all when your own house is in such pathetic disarray. It’s like trying to enroll in advanced postgraduate physics when you haven’t even completed an elementary school science lesson.

In the words of comedian Sebastian Maniscalco: “aren’t you embarrassed?”

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This thread needs a "like" button.

Agreed.
Some of the people you are talking about are paid to promote the lunacy. It my be a small group that we are against.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

This thread needs a "like" button.

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i'd hit it 1000 times

A big thank you to those that stand with us.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

I am disappointed in popping back on here to see what amounts to a complete lack of awareness or growth on the part of those who were so viciously in support of all the nonsensical tyranny for the past few years. A lengthy thread of heartfelt repentance, serious reflection, and gushing apologies would only be a start – a bare minimum.

So while I am reluctant to further participate, I will nevertheless proceed to shut down the ridiculous "it was justified" claims some have espoused in this thread. The truth is important.

This was objectively the largest and most peaceful human rights protest in our lifetime, despite what the out of touch boomers and young blue haired Taliban claim. Those who participated in the various freedom convoy gatherings, whether in their own towns on the side of the highway or in Ottawa can attest to the friendliness, positivity and yes even diversity of participants. Standing outside in -25 do what was right. It was our Country’s finest moment in a long, long time. Simple as.

Yet according to our PM (and bolstered by MSM, who are in his pocket) these were the most vile people on the planet, who should not even be “tolerated.”

The claims of traffic being blocked were overblown. Things were actually quite efficient.

Also, traffic going where? People couldn't travel or work. We kept getting locked down. Those who supported the restrictions are so concerned about the free movement of citizens all of a sudden lol.

The claims of violence were untrue. Ottawa building arson hoax, etc.

Interactions with locals and local police were great. Most police supported the event.

What, precisely, was “illegal” about the protest? At worst, there were some parking infractions, which is in the realm of bylaw. But this somehow justifies the use of the emergencies act according to the covid jihadists and blue haired Taliban.

As Badenoch stated, the border crossing was cleared very rapidly and it was hardly a siege or “Assault on precinct 13” like the MSM made it out to be.

Funny how temporarily “blocking trade” was such a concern for these people but they didn't object to the economic impacts of unvaccinated truckers being unable to cross borders and all the businesses that were lost. There were other border crossings in Canada that remained open and unaffected by the extremely short inconvenience for the Ambassador Bridge.

The “bad actors” angle is a totally ridiculous non-starter. We know governments infiltrate and stage false flags (including literal flags, in the case of Ottawa) all the time, and they were frantically trying to discredit both the organizers and the attendees with every typical slur in the liberal playbook. The FBI is arresting parents for objecting to drag queen story time, a woman was arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion center, the CIA has conducted many evil experiments, and so on. The USA blew up the Nordstream pipeline. One of the largest chemical spills in recent history just occurred with almost no media coverage. It’s ok…the government says the air is 100% safe & effective so I guess there’s nothing to worry about! Let’s waste more money on diversity hires like Pete Buttigieg so he can “fight the structural racism of bridges and highways”. Lol. Let’s give another 100 billion of our tax dollars to Ukraine, while our infrastructure is crumbling and veterans are suffering. Imagine bleeding out on a battlefield for the liberal regime defending drag queen story time? Now that Pfizer is feeling some heat and more corruption is getting exposed, we’re all supposed to be distracted with balloons and aliens invasions. Everything is staged, simulated, bought and overly politicized. Things are so upside down and overtly satanic that when an actual organic movement like this develops the leftist MSM must take control of the narrative and force it in a direction that benefits them. The propaganda is so desperate and predictable. Don’t be fooled.

This was all covered ad naseum previously, mostly by members who have left the forum. The fact that the protest is still being debated – or viewed with even the smallest amount of derision -- is beyond absurd. There should only be those who were always in support and those who now wish they were.

As others have mentioned, the same people complaining about this are those who were silent while natives committed actual terrorism with the rail blockades. They were silent when statues were toppled by violent mobs and our history is erased by spoiled wannabe socialist brats, who are openly and proudly racist against whites. They are silent when children are mutilated irreversibly en masse. They were silent when major cities burned for over a year and Capitol Hill Seattle was under siege for 23 consecutive days, becoming a violent autonomous zone ruled over by a criminal with an AK-47. They were silent when dozens of innocent lives were lost and billions in damage occurred from "mostly peaceful" BLM riots that were encouraged at every turn by the liberals and democrats. They are silent on the huge increase in violent crime in our cities, despite the brilliant idea of banning handguns for our safety. They are silent when a liberal judge admitted to releasing OPP killer Randall Mackenzie simply because he was Native. They are silent on new proposed bills to censor our freedom of speech. They are silent when thousands of illegal migrants cross our borders. They were silent when thousands of young girls were brutally raped and abused by Muslim grooming gangs in the UK. They were silent when 70 churches burned across the country. They were silent when men began humiliating and severely injuring women in women’s sports under the clown world banner of progressivism. They were silent when honest, hard working Canadians had their bank accounts frozen for the crime of donating $10 to a cause that Trudeau didn't like.

And of course they were silent during 3 years of ridiculous mandates that have all been proven to be completely useless and unscientific. The only noise they made was for more government overreach and for the increased mistreatment of those who dared to use their brains. Fire them! Shame them! Ban them! Deny them medical care! Send them to quarantine camps! Now that there are so many adverse reactions happening, one’s vaccination status is suddenly no longer anyone’s business…after they spent years virtue signaling on social media posting themselves getting jabbed.

It’s beyond ironic how the upper class wannabe communist lefties longing for some sort of proletariat uprising against tyrannical rulers have it actually happen in Ottawa, and then saying “no not like that! Eww they are all icky blue collar white people!”

We tried to warn you of the impending woke lunacy. But we’re just a fringe minority with unacceptable views, who should not be tolerated.

So for those championing this ridiculous verdict, that even the judge himself didn’t believe (“I understand how reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion from the one I arrived at…”) there is absolutely no intellectual, ethical or moral leg to stand on at all when your own house is in such pathetic disarray. It’s like trying to enroll in advanced postgraduate physics when you haven’t even completed an elementary school science lesson.

In the words of comedian Sebastian Maniscalco: “aren’t you embarrassed?”

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Bravo! Bravo!

I would as well.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

No comparison between these two events and if memory serves me the rail blockade did not have the same scope, did not last as long and did not have the number of participants.

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Correct. They did not have the same scope. One was actual terrorism by a protected class, and one was Tim Horton's, smiles, hugs and bouncy castles by a class routinely demonized by our current leaders and institutions at every opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

I am disappointed in popping back on here to see what amounts to a complete lack of awareness or growth on the part of those who were so viciously in support of all the nonsensical tyranny for the past few years. A lengthy thread of heartfelt repentance, serious reflection, and gushing apologies would only be a start – a bare minimum.

So while I am reluctant to further participate, I will nevertheless proceed to shut down the ridiculous "it was justified" claims some have espoused in this thread. The truth is important.

This was objectively the largest and most peaceful human rights protest in our lifetime, despite what the out of touch boomers and young blue haired Taliban claim. Those who participated in the various freedom convoy gatherings, whether in their own towns on the side of the highway or in Ottawa can attest to the friendliness, positivity and yes even diversity of participants. Standing outside in -25 do what was right. It was our Country’s finest moment in a long, long time. Simple as.

Yet according to our PM (and bolstered by MSM, who are in his pocket) these were the most vile people on the planet, who should not even be “tolerated.”

The claims of traffic being blocked were overblown. Things were actually quite efficient.

Also, traffic going where? People couldn't travel or work. We kept getting locked down. Those who supported the restrictions are so concerned about the free movement of citizens all of a sudden lol.

The claims of violence were untrue. Ottawa building arson hoax, etc.

Interactions with locals and local police were great. Most police supported the event.

What, precisely, was “illegal” about the protest? At worst, there were some parking infractions, which is in the realm of bylaw. But this somehow justifies the use of the emergencies act according to the covid jihadists and blue haired Taliban.

As Badenoch stated, the border crossing was cleared very rapidly and it was hardly a siege or “Assault on precinct 13” like the MSM made it out to be.

Funny how temporarily “blocking trade” was such a concern for these people but they didn't object to the economic impacts of unvaccinated truckers being unable to cross borders and all the businesses that were lost. There were other border crossings in Canada that remained open and unaffected by the extremely short inconvenience for the Ambassador Bridge.

The “bad actors” angle is a totally ridiculous non-starter. We know governments infiltrate and stage false flags (including literal flags, in the case of Ottawa) all the time, and they were frantically trying to discredit both the organizers and the attendees with every typical slur in the liberal playbook. The FBI is arresting parents for objecting to drag queen story time, a woman was arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion center, the CIA has conducted many evil experiments, and so on. The USA blew up the Nordstream pipeline. One of the largest chemical spills in recent history just occurred with almost no media coverage. It’s ok…the government says the air is 100% safe & effective so I guess there’s nothing to worry about! Let’s waste more money on diversity hires like Pete Buttigieg so he can “fight the structural racism of bridges and highways”. Lol. Let’s give another 100 billion of our tax dollars to Ukraine, while our infrastructure is crumbling and veterans are suffering. Imagine bleeding out on a battlefield for the liberal regime defending drag queen story time? Now that Pfizer is feeling some heat and more corruption is getting exposed, we’re all supposed to be distracted with balloons and aliens invasions. Everything is staged, simulated, bought and overly politicized. Things are so upside down and overtly satanic that when an actual organic movement like this develops the leftist MSM must take control of the narrative and force it in a direction that benefits them. The propaganda is so desperate and predictable. Don’t be fooled.

This was all covered ad naseum previously, mostly by members who have left the forum. The fact that the protest is still being debated – or viewed with even the smallest amount of derision -- is beyond absurd. There should only be those who were always in support and those who now wish they were.

As others have mentioned, the same people complaining about this are those who were silent while natives committed actual terrorism with the rail blockades. They were silent when statues were toppled by violent mobs and our history is erased by spoiled wannabe socialist brats, who are openly and proudly racist against whites. They are silent when children are mutilated irreversibly en masse. They were silent when major cities burned for over a year and Capitol Hill Seattle was under siege for 23 consecutive days, becoming a violent autonomous zone ruled over by a criminal with an AK-47. They were silent when dozens of innocent lives were lost and billions in damage occurred from "mostly peaceful" BLM riots that were encouraged at every turn by the liberals and democrats. They are silent on the huge increase in violent crime in our cities, despite the brilliant idea of banning handguns for our safety. They are silent when a liberal judge admitted to releasing OPP killer Randall Mackenzie simply because he was Native. They are silent on new proposed bills to censor our freedom of speech. They are silent when thousands of illegal migrants cross our borders. They were silent when thousands of young girls were brutally raped and abused by Muslim grooming gangs in the UK. They were silent when 70 churches burned across the country. They were silent when men began humiliating and severely injuring women in women’s sports under the clown world banner of progressivism. They were silent when honest, hard working Canadians had their bank accounts frozen for the crime of donating $10 to a cause that Trudeau didn't like.

And of course they were silent during 3 years of ridiculous mandates that have all been proven to be completely useless and unscientific. The only noise they made was for more government overreach and for the increased mistreatment of those who dared to use their brains. Fire them! Shame them! Ban them! Deny them medical care! Send them to quarantine camps! Now that there are so many adverse reactions happening, one’s vaccination status is suddenly no longer anyone’s business…after they spent years virtue signaling on social media posting themselves getting jabbed.

It’s beyond ironic how the upper class wannabe communist lefties longing for some sort of proletariat uprising against tyrannical rulers have it actually happen in Ottawa, and then saying “no not like that! Eww they are all icky blue collar white people!”

We tried to warn you of the impending woke lunacy. But we’re just a fringe minority with unacceptable views, who should not be tolerated.

So for those championing this ridiculous verdict, that even the judge himself didn’t believe (“I understand how reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion from the one I arrived at…”) there is absolutely no intellectual, ethical or moral leg to stand on at all when your own house is in such pathetic disarray. It’s like trying to enroll in advanced postgraduate physics when you haven’t even completed an elementary school science lesson.

In the words of comedian Sebastian Maniscalco: “aren’t you embarrassed?”

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So just to summarize…..you won’t be voting liberal next time around? Lol

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Correct. They did not have the same scope. One was actual terrorism by a protected class, and one was Tim Horton's, smiles, hugs and bouncy castles by a class routinely demonized by our current leaders and institutions at every opportunity.

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Well I am confident the residents of Ottawa, Coutts, and Windsor all see it differently. The home grown terrorists conspiring to murder RCMP officers while hoarding weapons https://globalnews.ca/video/8620080/...coutts-alberta

Then we have the petty criminals Pat King and Tamara Lich leading the charge.

This whole affair orchestrated by the far right very small minority in Canada. Basically copy cat Republican insurrectionists.

Embarrassing to hear their testimony in front of the Commissioner, they could not remember (a Lot) it wasn't them.

Then Justin testifying clearly and precisely and all his Ministers.

Foregone conclusion how the Commissioner ruled, supported by the majority of Law Abiding Canadians.

The so called party of LAW AND ORDER now made a complete fool of themselves hitching their wagon to this unruly mob.

Poor PP how is he ever going to explain to the public in the next election cycle how he sided with home grown insurgents.


63% of Canadians approved the invocation of the emergency measures act, the highest support in Quebec at 73%

https://cultmtl.com/2022/11/73-of-qu...est-in-canada/

Game, set and match.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

This thread needs a "like" button.

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I agree! :)

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well I am confident the residents of Ottawa, Coutts, and Windsor all see it differently. The home grown terrorists conspiring to murder RCMP officers while hoarding weapons https://globalnews.ca/video/8620080/...coutts-alberta

Then we have the petty criminals Pat King and Tamara Lich leading the charge.

This whole affair orchestrated by the far right very small minority in Canada. Basically copy cat Republican insurrectionists.

Embarrassing to hear their testimony in front of the Commissioner, they could not remember (a Lot) it wasn't them.

Then Justin testifying clearly and precisely and all his Ministers.

Foregone conclusion how the Commissioner ruled, supported by the majority of Law Abiding Canadians.

The so called party of LAW AND ORDER now made a complete fool of themselves hitching their wagon to this unruly mob.

Poor PP how is he ever going to explain to the public in the next election cycle how he sided with home grown insurgents.


63% of Canadians approved the invocation of the emergency measures act, the highest support in Quebec at 73%

https://cultmtl.com/2022/11/73-of-qu...est-in-canada/

Game, set and match.

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A lady that testified described it as being like the purge lol.

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Well said bush...

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Well said Bushwhacker!!!:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well I am confident the residents of Ottawa, Coutts, and Windsor all see it differently. The home grown terrorists conspiring to murder RCMP officers while hoarding weapons https://globalnews.ca/video/8620080/...coutts-alberta

Then we have the petty criminals Pat King and Tamara Lich leading the charge.

This whole affair orchestrated by the far right very small minority in Canada. Basically copy cat Republican insurrectionists.

Embarrassing to hear their testimony in front of the Commissioner, they could not remember (a Lot) it wasn't them.

Then Justin testifying clearly and precisely and all his Ministers.

Foregone conclusion how the Commissioner ruled, supported by the majority of Law Abiding Canadians.

The so called party of LAW AND ORDER now made a complete fool of themselves hitching their wagon to this unruly mob.

Poor PP how is he ever going to explain to the public in the next election cycle how he sided with home grown insurgents.


63% of Canadians approved the invocation of the emergency measures act, the highest support in Quebec at 73%

https://cultmtl.com/2022/11/73-of-qu...est-in-canada/

Game, set and match.

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Remind me where Coutts is located again?

It's not in Ottawa, correct?

And it's not like the RCMP would plant weapons or anything like that. Nope. Governments never do anything nefarious or stage false flags.

How many murders took place during the protests? How much violence? How many RCMP officers were killed? The only violence was from police as they assaulted peaceful citizens and trampled old ladies on horseback.

Contrast that with the previously mentioned protests "officially sanctioned" by the liberal regime, with clearly measurable death and destruction off the charts, and it's obvious you are simply projecting your guilty conscience here and grasping at straws.

Yes it's "far right" now to stand up for basic freedoms :)
This again sadly proves my points about how upside down things have become.

That a majority of Canadians approve of this decision, if we can even trust these poll numbers, is only indicative of:

1) A big surge in new immigrants incentivized and brainwashed by liberals, as your boomer liberal generation arriving here in the 60's/70's still seems to be. Stumbling under the illusion that the same liberal party of that era is somehow allies of the working class or the underdog, when it actually serves the gods of globalism and wokeism most faithfully.
2) The effectiveness of the liberal MSM propaganda on even those who have been here a while, as all major news is to the left. Other voices are silenced and treated as political prisoners

The "majority" of Canadians also approved of masks, forced vaccinations, lockdowns and other forms of unprecedented tyranny -- until they didn't. Pointing out that our people are easy to manipulate should not be cause for celebration.

The idea that we live in a democracy is quaint. And the idea that we are free from election interference is cozy, as evidenced by CSIS confirming China's involvement in the 2021 election.

Remember it's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy. There are rules for thee but not for me.