Received the Monthly Gas bill from Enbridge.
Never did i deep dive into it.
I almost sat down when i realized-we ARE paying HST ??? on Carbon Tax !!!
I mean-this IS the Pinnacle of rudeness ,ignorance and money grab.
We need a change.
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Received the Monthly Gas bill from Enbridge.
Never did i deep dive into it.
I almost sat down when i realized-we ARE paying HST ??? on Carbon Tax !!!
I mean-this IS the Pinnacle of rudeness ,ignorance and money grab.
We need a change.
While we’re at it, we need to figure out a way to stop polluting so much and start taking care of this planet better.
If you own an car and live in a detached house, you're part of the problem you want to solve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
While most Canadians SAY they want to do something for the environment, most do not want to lower their standard of living in a way that would be meaningful.
Count me in that group, but at least I'm not a hypocrite about it.
BTW - if a carbon tax actual made a difference to the environment, we would have had a covid tax to to deal with covid.
All carbon taxes are are a wealth transfer aimed at making western countries more socialist. Nothing to do with the environment. I don't think anyone that's thinking at all, thinks so.
Sorry wasn’t trying to be hypocritical. There’s just always so much complaining when it comes to the government and the environment. I’m no fan of extra taxes on the citizenry. What I do notice though is a genuine lack of ideas to help the environment in a meaningful way. Not on an individual basis, but as a whole population. It’s a global problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Kepp in mind 12000 years ago Canada was covered in 2 km's of ice. Climate has been changing since the dawn of time.
I work in an industry where 1 piece of equipment burns up to 1000 liters a day of diesel with little to no emission suppressing technology. Multiply that by a few hundred pieces of equipment in southern Ontario, mainly GTA. Any attempt to blame the bulk of carbon emissions on the average Joe really seems ridiculous.
Imagine the emissions from households burning coal, wood, and garbage just a few decades ago, I think we have all come a long way to reduce our emissions.... Long before the carbon tax was ever thought of.
Actually not too much, Canada is responsible for less than 5 percent of emissions so even if we wreck our economy to try to cut our emissions in half it will have little effect since we are not a big polluter. The future of the environment will be decided by 3 world countries who could care less to cut their emissions and pollution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
Also since the liberal government has upped the carbon tax emissions have gone up so I don’t know what carbon tax has to do with it. Maybe if we want to help the environment we should spend some money to set up proper wast disposal in third world countries.
Why this thread is complaining about the government?Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
Why people have to solve the problem of the environment?
When did the government genuinely listened anyway(lately only special interest groups get attention-the average hardworking Joe is kicked to the curb, and taxed to death)
Why the government does exist in the first place-if not to take care of the problems for the population( yes,i know-the way things are currently-i am dreaming here ).
At the end-perhaps please let us know what is your proposal to solve the environmental issues.
On the assumption that climate change is cyclical we will avoid solving something we can’t control. In saying that, there is a lot we can control. We need to control consumption of materials. I’m not alone in my observation of cheaply made objects. You know the ones that require frequent replacing. Usually over packaged in multiple plastic covers. Usually made of poor quality materials, purposely designed to break, therefore needing replacement. A store comes to mind (dollerama). In my opinion if we could slow our consumption of raw materials and goods made by these materials we could put a dent in the amount of pollution we produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
It also wouldn’t hurt if globally we all got on board of some kind of clean up program. Maybe clean that floating island of garbage the size of Texas in the Pacific Ocean. Now that we have found micro plastics in the water we drink and the animals we eat and even in breast milk. Maybe we should stop using so much plastic.
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part, but my gut tells me if we don’t change our mentality soon it may be too late. We are no different than lamprey, sucking the life juices out of this planet.
On this planet the mentality has to change from only thinking about “me” to “we”. We are all in this together.
These ideas require more serious discussion and they are more complex than my generalizations. But these are my observations.
As true as that statement is, its also very misleading and what the deniers hide behind. While change is always happening, the rate has increased dramatically since the industrial age and simply watching the increase in damaging weather events clearly shows that things are picking up pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Sure there have always been hurricanes and floods, but not at the rate we are seeing around the world now. Its easy to site in Canada where we are sheltered from most of those weather events and pretend its not increasing, but I suspect the people living along the gulf coast in the US have a different perspective.
Faster in recent history anyways, Antarctica experienced rather dramatic changes at some point in the far past. Scientists have proof that it was once a tropical rain forest. I’d like to point out that the original topic of this thread is carbon tax. I don’t think the author is saying we should do nothing about pollution. But is pointing out that carbon tax does nothing to help, but instead puts strain on the economy and the average Canadian. As to what we can do to help the environment I would still have to say that we should focus the time on money on helping third world countries set up proper waste disposal and recycling centres. The reason for this is G2 countries have very small parts of emissions so if we were to focus more time and effort on the real polluters like African, Asian, and South American countries, we would be doing more for the environment. Also our prime minister who pretends to care for the environment has no problem flying his family to Florida, flying back the next day for a meeting and then turning around and flying back again. Maybe we should also focus on these kind of activities and not go after the average Joe who has little to do with mass pollution.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
Wood is actually green energy. It's the original solar panel. The CO2 released when burning wood gets put back into wood via photosynthesis. The crazies in the EU even recognize it as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
The reason we are seeing some much on hurricanes and floods lately is not because of their occurrence but because of media coverage and hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
Back in the 1990's when the global warning thing started, the apocalypse (for lack of a better word) would be 2030 - seven years from now.
It's been bumped now to 2050 - and in another 20 years I'm sure it will be 2070.
Is there anyone who hasn't yet figured out that this is NOT about the climate - its about money and wealth transfer.
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100% agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
On a per capita basis Canadians are about the worse offenders in the World. Long cold winters, long driving distances.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
Does your 5% take into consideration the pollution caused all around the World in our EXPORTS OF FOSSIL FUELS?
Your last statement is probably more accurate except you missed Australia.
Even if you were to get a CHANGE you will still get a carbon Tax except THEY will try to hide it and call it a carbon LEVY.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...ives-1.5988407
So here is a question.......how is the carbon tax they are collecting being used exactly? Is there any bookkeeping of the money collected and where it was spent or is it just another black hole of a money grab?
Well I look at MSM and see hurricanes, fires, flooding, drought, all over the World, no need to look up anything on the internet is actually right before my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
I put on my thinking cap and say, well in the past 67 years I have lived, I have never see anything like this and its getting worse.
What to believe.
Maybe I should believe Werner about all this and its always happened over the centuries OR maybe I should believe CLIMATE SCIENTISTS who have made a life time of studying and research.
You know the same scientists that Mr Harper cut of all funding and ongoing research because he was firmly in the pockets of Big Oil.
funny thing about these "climate scientists" you talk about is who are they funded by and does this funding allow for the full picture to be examined?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
pause and think before answering this one Gilroy
Don't forget that come April 1 the amount charged will be increasing thanks to the legislated annual carbon tax increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Would be better for a fella to simply post "their evidence" to convince another fella that he might be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanE
In other words for every scientist who says that climate change is not rapidly accelerating there will be ten others who say it is.
The anti change climate scientists will themselves probably be funded by big oil, big coal..... and the others will probably be funded by scores of other entities including Governments from around the world.
so who's right then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
and is anyone covering the whole picture
The very best way to mitigate climate change is to simply use less fossil fuels, one of the better ways to achieve this is to have it cost you more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
If you think things are bad here, in Great Britain" The Times said that in the first 11 months of 2022, energy firms applied for 345,000 warrants to force entry into U.K. homes."
Tenants are not paying their gas bills so its a simple procedure to get a warrant, enter the home and install a pay as you go meter.
This seems pretty radical to a home bred Canadian but I remember as a kid in the late 1960,s my parents putting money into our hydro meter and turning the dial, no money no hydro.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/02/...stomers-homes/
I think the EVIDENCE about who is right is before a persons eyes every day, there seems to be no Country Worldwide that is not getting hammered by a climate event.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanE
Even if a person only looked at news from America to see what is happening.
just like the ocean levels are rising? yet look at pictures of the statue of Liberty in the 1940's and look at a todays picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Don't believe everything you see on the news because if you do you'd probably believe Trudeau is good for Canada
I don't think one single point on the earth's surface "pictures of Statue of Liberty" would be a very scientific measure?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanE
If Trudeau is not good for Canada Pierre Poilievre might be even worse, some of his plans so far Invest in bit Coin and launching a 44billion dollar law suit against Big Pharma.
By the time we make money off bit coin and he gets money from Big Pharma you and I will be carbon particles helping to feed a potato plant some where.
The only 1940 picture of the statue of Liberty I can find was taken at low tide, so it says on the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanE
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Originally Posted by gbk
My bill ENDBRIDGE indicates HST is charged on the total bill hence on my last bill it was Total Gas Charge $215.29 and HST $27.99
BUT THERE ARE SIX OTHER ELEMENTS TO THE GAS CHARGES , THE DELIVERY CHARGE IS HIGHER THAN THE CARBON TAX, THE GAS SUPPLY IS HIGHER.
Now if you really want to examine your bill closer please look at the Natural Gas Supply I am paying 23.0333C/m3 March 2023 but back only in March 2022 that was only 14.5201c/m and if you have your bill from March 2020 it was 10.1841c/m3
So please tell me why your upset at a HST on a carbon tax when the GAS COMPANY HAVE INCREASED THERE GAS COST TO YOU BY WELL OVER 100% IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
So maybe we need a change OF GAS SUPPLY COMPANIES.
Gas and oil companies have made RECORD PROFITS THIS PAST YEAR, GROCERY STORES HAVE MADE RECORD PROFITS but for some strange reason some folks want to put their woes on Government that has little control of any of these increases.
My propane supply company decided this year they needed $1.2cents per lt this past September but the price in the September before was 61cents.
Its not the government ripping me off in Ottawa its Ultramar out of Red Deer ,Alberta.
And China also they’re not third world but I lumped them in because they’re a dictatorship that doesn’t seemed too worried about the environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You missed the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I am not JUST complaining about the carbon Tax(being as useless for the environment ,as one can imagine=no clear and accounted goals for that money) BUT the rudeness of our own dear Government WHEN they PUT a Tax on the Tax.
We pay taxes on Enbridge bill(that is another topic of them ripping us off) by WHY we have to pay HST on THE Carbon Tax?
Money grab-that is it!
If they "honestly"(i think this word does not exist in our Politics anymore)NEED to charge Carbon tax ( money destination unknown ) they should perhaps put it AFTER the Enbridge charges(tax applied only on " that" ripoff)
For the ones believing and pushing for this Climate Change "agenda"i highly recommend reading Wolfgang Behringer's book :The Cultural History of Climate!
19.86 $ on Amazon.ca
After YOU read it,please come back,and share with us what YOU think is happening.
The book has ZERO influencing stance(big applause for that)yet the author lists factually all the knowledge about the Climate ,thru the history.
Few thing i took from the book
Up until 1300 AD or so-we had a very warm climate.
Example-people would grow grapes in Sweden,or Vikings called Vinland areas of NewFoundland-land of the wine!They called Greenland -a green land!
They were in an environment where they were able to live agricultural life for few hundred years.
Then the Mini Ice age started.
Many written records present the impact,the hardship ,and the extent of the cold climate(vikings abandoned Greenland as a result).
The Mini Ice age ended mid-second half of the 1800 hundreds.How convenient for those "hell bent" IMPARTIAL scientist-that the industrial age started about the same time.Humane pollution caused the lobal warming.Just look at the the graphs.So they preach.
What happens when the cold ends-warm up starts ...eh?No science needed to know that.
Remember-up until like 10 years ago-all the saints of the Climate gang were swearing on Global Warming. Today-they say = it is a Climate Change. How convenient twist in terminology.Where did the warming disappeared?
The very same scientists perhaps were shaking from worry and predicting the New Ice age(for about 20 years,up until early 1960 that was the hype)then all of the sudden-we are warming up?!
The very same scientist were wrong at least at one of the prediction?How to trust them then..............
Going back to the Mini Ice age-and the warm climate up until 1300!
There was NO human cause of that warming-eh?No industrial revolution,and the humane kind numbered less then half a billion ppl.
But-the Scientist do NOT really talk about this,because IT DOES NOT fit their agenda.So-they talk about the Hockey stick climate graph(exponential growth of temp since mid 1800)
And-they say,before 1300 it was a weather ANOMALY(forget about it-move on,nothing to see here..........).
Long story short-there is zero clear evidence ,that this warm up is caused by humans,carbon emission etc.
Any scientist trying to talk otherwise -is DONE!Shunned,shut out from publicity,marginalized....so we have none(at least,available to the wide public)
Think for yourself,and do not belive the bleeding hearts! They are just JUSTIFYING their own existence.
Read the book perhaps,to see for your self.
No politics-no brainwashing-no agenda-JUST facts from the history.You will learn something new,for sure.
At the end-protecting the environment, and PREVENTING the major crime we do against out environment is a COMPLETELLY other topic( widely avoided by those "how you dare "crowds-because there actually THEY COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING)!
If they would be so dedicated.
But hey-that is a thankless hard work! Easier to talk the talk-then walk the walk.
Agree 100%, btw just double checked and Canada is acutely responsible for less than 1.8 percent of global emissions. Sorry for my mistake.
Don't forget they own the science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
It doesn't matter what others think
"They own the science ".
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...n-the-science/
How do we fight against that? Google is already preset to filter out. Look at the top all links un . Funny what they control.
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Wow-shocking, although not surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Akin to Stalinist Propaganda style! Only this time paid by our own money.
The SOOO trustworthy,progressive and caring,ALL INCLUSIVE,democratic and open to opinions UN ...........!
It must get tiresome worrying about “them” and what “they” own. It’s also very hard to believe that everything is so easily controllable. In todays modern world with all our technology you cannot silence everyone.
How can this be similar to “Stalinist propaganda”? In Canada we have freedom of thought and expression without persecution. A tad bit dramatic in my opinion.
Communist like control over the people is very easy if you look at the examples from the last few years.
What was the total tax on a person 20y ago vs today?
If the pm passes his media bill than they’ll be deciding what content you can see and what will be hiddenQuote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
A gentle reminder about the Forum rules, folks: https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...-Rules-Conduct
Then,by extension,Canada should only be responsible for 1.8% of the global costs,right? Someone needs to explain why Canada has levied draconian taxation under the guise of "carbon tax" to the point where those taxes are being passed on to the consumer in every aspect from housing to food costs to the point where this country is functionally bankrupt.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
Like I said before you need to look at the per capita basis, we are either the worse or narrowly the second worse in the WORLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter06
Canada’s population is roughly 38 million. Out of the 10 worst polluters, the closest in population is the U.K., with approximately 67 million people. Carbon Brief’s analysis noted that on a per capita basis, depending how one counts it, Canada is either the worst, or the second-worst, polluter in the world. (The usual standard of dividing cumulative emissions by the current population leaves Canada as the worst, while per capita emissions added up over time ranks Canada second worst, behind New Zealand.)
https://www.nationalobserver.com/202...mitters-planet
I don't know about you but I worry a little more about the cost of groceries (one has to eat) and price fluctuations at the gas pump that can change 14cents a liter on any given day,Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
everybody on this thread fails to mention that we get quarterly rebate cheques for the carbon tax. Seems any excuse here to criticize the government and over many issues they have no control.
Land mass should also be taken into account.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
My family in gas alone pays approx 800.00 a year in CO2 tax, that's just fuel and does not include groceries (CO2 tax is passed on by the suppliers.) If i was sit down and fully figure it out were probably looking at 1000.00 bucks a year in CO2 tax. Pretty sure the rebate isn't that high.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Someone listens to to much cbc. He also might have a white dog…
..... are you getting carbon tax rebate cheques? I haven't seen one ....... dime and I don't know anyone else who has,either..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Me neither???Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The lower income earner of every household should be getting these. At my house, that's the missus, so I don't know a lot about it. I think its about $130 four times a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Have you filed you taxes the last couple of years?
Ontario doesn't have there own carbon tax (if they did they could spend the money however we wanted), so we are under the federal program which pays back 90% of the carbon taxes.
This is why I say it's not about the environment, it's just a wealth transfer - from higher income earners who spend more than average on fuel and heating to lower income earners who spend less on fuel and heating.
And the sooner people realize that IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CLIMATE, the better. It's a vote buying wealth transfer - that's all.
It's more than land mass. It's temperature - we need to heat our houses, and lack of an efficient public transit system.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
And even if we do figure those in, then there's the standard of living thing too, and that's the big issue - do we want to lower our standard of living to that of Europe - or Asia - or Africa???
That's what the UN's end goal is and the WEF is onside with that as well. When you jump on the climate change bus, that's where it is going.
And if you think I'm dead wrong and a conspiracy theorist, please go do your homework.
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Originally Posted by natehunter
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Pretty obvious you guys are not Liberal supporters so you don't get any. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...r-2023-24.html
If the transfer of wealth is between me and the missus as she is the lower earner I really don't' think the $500.00 a year is going to radically change society and turn us from a Conservative heaven to a Socialist hell. All the missus need's to do is divorce me and she has hit the jackpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
That would actually be funny if it wasn't so close to the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Maybe Han Dong could explain where our rebates are
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Originally Posted by DanE
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Perhaps you chaps should look a little closer at your bank statements?
Its really not that hard to find from my own account Climate Action Incentive, Canada Deposit $ 139.75 Jan 13/2023
Climate Action Incentive ,Canada Deposit $ 139.75 Oct14/2022
Federal payment ,Canada Deposit $ 279.50 Jul16/2022
CAI payments for 2023-24 will be disbursed as follows:
Residents of Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario, and Saskatchewan will receive four equal quarterly payments (April 2023, July 2023, October 2023, and January 2024), as these provinces are already covered by the federal price on pollution.
According to the chart a family of 4 should be getting $244.00 x 4 so about $976.00p.a.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
P.S. That makes us only $24.00 short and we can then get you to join the "dark side" LOL
I received 2 cheques in the mail I can remember for about $100. I don't do direct deposit from those guys.
(I believe the rest came with my tax return)
Please sir tax me some more.
The liberals would never understand this.Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
After 6 pages of explaining all the benefits of the Carbon tax............there is still no explanation in sight why we :
HAVE to pay HST on Carbon Tax ???
The answer is simple:Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Somebody has to pay for those vaccines and CERB !
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
Well Premier Ford just brought in a 204 BILLION DOLLAR budget, nothing in it for the middle class ,no help for seniors, nothing for inflation, cost of groceries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
BUT what he did have is underfunding of Municipal Government, which means your property taxes will be going up as he cuts back and passes the cost onto your backs.
Its all a shell game folks, there is only one taxpayer and we are getting hammered from everybody, Grocery stores, Gas/Utility companies, Rents.
BUT THERE IS GOOD NEWS FOR RETIREES, ITS WORKING OUT CHEAPER TO TAKE A WORLD CRUISE ALL INCLUDED OVER TORONTO RENT. LOL
https://www.thestar.com/business/202...tter-plan.html
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Originally Posted by glen
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Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Sure its been explained your getting all the cash back on your quarterly payments, but you have to file a income tax return.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
absolutely file your taxes Ukraine depends on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
There is some help for Seniors: not that it is much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
"For poorer seniors, the Guaranteed Annual Income System payments — $166 a month for individuals and $332 for couples — are being expanded so an additional 100,000 people will qualify in July 2024. Currently, 200,000 receive the benefit, which will also be indexed to inflation. The province is also pledging $1 million over three years for the Seniors Safety Line, a dedicated elder abuse hotline." quote
and "
- $8.8 million to support the increased operating costs to home support agencies which provide long-term care and disability support services.
Out of a 204 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET to me these amounts are pretty much zero help, most folks don't even qualify for the GIS. I hear most going to infrastructure spending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I don't have an answer, although I do have an opinion - it's a revenue tool. It's always been the case with gasoline and diesel prices and most everything, so I'm assuming they just extended it to home heating, as every penny matters to the government when collecting (not so much when spending). FYI, the 5.7˘ tax reduction by the provincial government will be rescinded at the end of this year, as per the latest budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
In my opinion we need someone else to represent to conservatives in Ontario, Fords going to win the next election for the liberals
Since it's inception,the carbon tax has fed $22Billion into the federal coffers. What has the government done with it? Has there been a noticeable decrease in world wide CO2 emissions? Nope! Do we have cleaner water? Nope! Do we have less pollution? Hell no,as a ,matter of fact,it's worse than ever. Have we had a decrease in personal income tax? An increase in health spending? How 'bout an increase in defense spending to meet NATO requirements? Not effin' likely. So,what DO we have to show for it? Nothing,zero,nada,rien except more government waste on useless "programs".Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
He said he was planting 2 billion tree's so I am putting forward you as volunteer to count them to ensure we got out money's worth.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The World needs an extra 4 trillion a year for its global transition. How else would they get it without taxes..
The sad reality is the same people who "own the science" are the same people pushing this transition and pushing our tax dollars higher.
As they said at davos and cop27
Money money money and more money is needed. The things being tabled for the great climate emergency is mind blowing and we all need to play our part.
Saw this when it first came out our government wants 2 billion dollars to climate change for a company that doesn't even exits. The usa spent 360 billion of the transition through loans ,grants and tax dollars. Where is that money going? Rumor has it 60% of the new green tech is not even on the market yet. Bill gates fusion nuclear is on hold for the foreseeable future as the fuel comes from Russia. This is carbon tax credit scam right from our trusted government.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...t-doesnt-exist
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Okee dokee ! I think the OP was about taxing a tax ?
As far as the state of the world goes whether it be the environment or global markets, wars, plagues, etc., etc. my only advice is "save the last bullet for yourself" ! Unless there is a miracle and every man, woman and child starts rowing this boat called planet Earth in the right direction we are doomed.
But that's just my 2 cents worth and last I checked it was tax free.
Thanx LP for the taxfree advice:thumbup::DQuote:
Originally Posted by longpointer
Our Government SHOULD follow suit-and at least ONCE act with COMMON SENSE ,in this very critical topic.
Now they are tabling up ideas to tax your investments they want a tax on your dividends and other investments.
Why is the inflation reduction act a climate change scam? They call it inflation reduction but it's being spent on the clean energy economy. That is a scam in itself fix inflation with it not change the economy to fit their goals.
We pay a climate change tax and an inflation reduction bill being tabled to pay for climate incentives to their own shareholders and top organizations. Think I will find the article again and post in the investing thread. I can see people moving their money if that's the case.
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