https://oodmag.com/dog-train-and-trial-areas-proposed/
A proposal to potentially allow new dog train-and-trial areas is open for comment on the Environmental Registry of Ontario (ERO) until May 18.
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https://oodmag.com/dog-train-and-trial-areas-proposed/
A proposal to potentially allow new dog train-and-trial areas is open for comment on the Environmental Registry of Ontario (ERO) until May 18.
OP: The article refers to trialing as opposed to trailing (i before the a), small spelling difference but they refer to different things.
Sounds like progress to me.... good plan. Makes me smile though , as in the 50s - 70s we trained beagles that way with no "rules and regulations".
https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-3685
In these times, rabbit hunters rely on train and trial areas as a safe and legal place to train their beagles for rabbit hunting. There are people in Ontario who would love nothing better than to see another form of hunting come to an end and after their done with beaglers, they will move on to the next group of legal hunters.
I should add, Please respond to the ero in a positive way to help preserve hunting in Ontario.
In this context Trial equates to a field trial. It is usual practice for a Beagle club to host 2 field trials a year for total of four days out of the year. The purpose of the trials is evaluate beagles as to their suitability as hunting dogs. This provides valuable information to breeders and their bloodlines for the purpose of improving and maintaining the Beagle as a useful hunting breed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
Yes, Sharon those were simpler times. This is a copy of the letter sent to a provincial parliamentary committee, it illustrates some problems we are dealing with today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Attachment 44517
Gee. What a disappointment that must have been in 2013.
As hunters,we all understand the purpose of train and trial areas and the concepts of using hunting dogs. The problem is the public does NOT. This subject can and will be "spun" to the public as barbaric and cruel. The optics of this really,really sux and the exploitation by the media and animal rights groups will be epic. I'm afraid this one will come back to bite us.
Very true. I've already some "Letters to the Editor" in my local newspaper speaking out against this "cruel and barbaric" practice.
I would have to disagree with these common sense suggestions made by folks like CONSERVATION OFFICERS. Hunting dogs are not born knowing their craft and a safe place to teach and refine those skills are needed. Once you start banning those what's next bird hunting preserves because pheasant are caged to crowded. Heck might as well ban hunting altogether as shooting a living creature has to be cruel. Why stop there fishing got to go stick a hook in a fish just to drag it around than release it pure for enjoyment come on that's the definition for cruelty.
Yes one has to be respectful of the game but in the end I do believe animals are that and to anthropomorphize them is not in the best interest. I believe with nonsensical comments they should ignore it and just carry on.
THIS! Where does it stop?Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I think I posted this on another thread,but,I have ZERO confidence in the entire ERO "feedback" thing. I think it's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I suppose once your retired you feel free to express how you really feel. There goes a couple of COs who probably spent their whole careers hating on us barbarians. I'm sure they are the exception. The same way 99% of us operate in a legal and ethical manner. I'm not as familiar with the fox or coyote pens, but have a lot of experience with managing rabbit /hare train and trial areas. Since the old legislation was brought in, in 1998, there has not been one instance of a rabbit/hare pen or managers being charged with anything. According to these two, it's because we are master criminal minds able to avoid prosecution for over twenty years. The reality is that we are willing to comply with the rules and regulations and just want to do are thing, in the same unobtrusive way we always have.
I would think that anti hunting and animal rights groups monitor these closely. Concerning COs, I think their mandate is strictly enforcement. It's my experience in recent times that they have no interest in addressing concerns regarding conservation issues or modifying regs. Their mandate in the MNRF is confined to enforcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Well that is true and enforcement should be their main task so I agree with you. However when retired officers speak up and point out short comings in the "system" and abuse by certain elements in the hunting fraternity I believe they should be listened to. Their comments' were mostly about coyote hunters and what they discovered in a Province wide investigation as it related to fair chase and the handling of live coyotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by swampsinger
You and your organization appear to be doing a great job and service to Ontario hunters , appreciate you.
It can and has been frustrating dealing with MNRF, the local COs and the area office were a total bust in helping us with our concerns. I believe their hands were tied and ended up being a fire wall for the ivory tower in PTBO. We did not get any traction until we turned for help from the Ontario Sporting Dog Association and importantly the Federation of Anglers and Hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Over several years we dealt with 8 different ministers of natural resources. I would be remiss if I don't mention the cooperation of John Yakabuski, Graydon Smith, and Doug Ford.