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https://www.raincoast.org/trophy-hunt/
Permanent end to commercial trophy hunting
Raincoast controls the commercial hunting rights in five tenures, more than 38,000 km2 of the BC coast – an area larger than Vancouver Island or the entire country of Belgium.
Wow, their ambitions and donation goals are astronomical. Makes PETA look like small fry .. It'll be a sad state when previously public hunting lands go under private ownership or control that bans or may ban hunting. Hope they contribute to the BC tax base & don't complain about predator problems later !
I wonder how they managed to "buy up" all that Crown land?
They didn't buy the land, just hunting guide rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
What’s the plan when the bears start gobbling people up.
Lots of problems with this. It's just advocates using the system. From their own words.
"In an effort to inspire others to take action for the animal inhabitants of the BC coast, Raincoast staff regularly write opinion editorial pieces for mainstream newspapers."
They have their own lab resources they have used government officials boosted on their website short lived until the government switched and reversed the actions.
They do it the same way as another group I have mentioned has done it.
Now imagine the worlds most powerful doing the exact same thing.
They even have an elite working on matching donations.
They been at it 25 year . Wait till there around 50 years like the other group.
They also said they manged the Salmon numbers to naturally feed the bears.
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Ita not just about the bears.Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
The fish the bears ,wolves ,elk
Any trophy from any animal.
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Donations, government's , indigenous leaders and ngo's as partners that's how.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Or some of their words in the about us section. The last sentence states what you need to know. Lol "informed advocacy " .
"Raincoast is a team of conservationists and scientists empowered by our research to protect the lands, waters and wildlife of coastal British Columbia. We use rigorous, peer-reviewed science and community engagement to further our conservation objectives. We call this approach informed advocacy. As a charitable, non-profit conservation science organization that operates a research lab, field station and a research/sailing vessel, we are unique in Canada.
Since 1990, Raincoast has been making progress toward our habitat and wildlife protection goals. Our on-the-ground presence has given us a deep-rooted understanding of BC’s vast coastline. We work in partnership with scientists, First Nations, local communities and NGOs to build support for decisions that protect marine and rainforest habitat on BC’s coast."
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Sorry to put this one to bed but I smelt the fish all over it.
Yes it was our government and yes they are connected . I will leave it here and say nothing but her name and 2 links.
Sorry guys .. that's how trimmer.
Bc premier Chrisy Clark.
https://www.weforum.org/people/christy-clark/
And the canceled bear hunt.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...ear-rainforest
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Admittedly I know little about bear hunting but apparently there are some ethics issues around the palatability and meat retrieval laws on Coastal Bears. Is anyone able to comment on the legalities in BC?
https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/gr...fit-for-dinner
I can’t say that I totally agree with strictly trophy hunting for griz. But I do think there needs to be hunting to control their numbers. I hunted in BC for elk. We saw tons of griz sign, and I even had one sneaking through the bush paralleling me on an old logging trail. Thing was huge ! Guys from there I hunted with nearly crapped when I told them…..
Things will change when some granola crunchers get chewed up !!
Once a couple treehugging hikers become grizzly food the tone will change
Nothing wrong with supplemental feeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanE
A few deaths won't change the narrative.
Just another partner with a greater purpose.
Besides those killer bears get disposed of pretty quickly. Just freak accidents rare occasions.
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LOL...after the Bears get used to food tasting like pepper and spittin' them little whistles out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
stellar comment!!!! you win on this roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
While it's a sad state of affairs - that is their right in a free market economy. If hunters are upset about it they should have banded together and raised the funds to outbid them - probably some redneck Texas oil billionaires could have been convinced. So they bought the guide "rights" but in my mind a self guided resident hunter would likely still be good to go? Kinda like if they bought a BMA in Ontario that would eliminate the commercial guiding operations but Joe Blow resident could still hunt it same as always - Probably reduce the pressure and make the hunting better than ever.
Lots of foreign investors including down from in the usa and world wide. Funny they have a few anonymous people funding it . Weird how it's so secretiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Says they secured the lands to stop trophy hunting. They purchased the lands to stop the hunting. 19 companies rely on for it ecotourism sites.
"This purchase also exemplifies the new economy as there are more than 19 ecotourism companies who rely on respectful wildlife viewing."
Also they talk about about partnering with the indigenous to "control their resources"
That's a pretty harsh word "control" their resources.
Also mentioned buying the hunting licenses
My guess is no license no hunting. They purchased the land after the the hunt was allowed they bought to stop the hunt not just to stop trophy killing.
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Apparently,because it's all Crown land,they couldn't buy the property. They succeeded in lobbying the government to ban trophy hunting Grizzlies. Then,they used more donated money to "buy out" the local outfitters (BMA's only) and to placate angry First Nations. The whole affair sounds goofy. No matter which way you spin it,someone is laughing all the way to the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Oh for sure isn't alot of these animal charitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Even ducks unlimited paid out millions to a couple of workers. Took 27 million from public tax payers and the top pays out are more than 300 thousand dollars a years.
This raincoast has operation cost in the hundreds of thousands a year. They made school programs paying well to their educational teachers and research teams.
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Feed them hippy’s!Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
When they start killing people and destroying property and their animals they will have no one to blame but themselves. I remember when the cottagers in southern ontario hand the spring bear hunt cancelled because they weren't seeing many black bears around. Two years later and damages to their cottages and property over the winter, they were crying for the hunters to come back. There is a balance that needs to be kept to protect everybody. Be very careful of what you wish for!
I don't understand how they buy them "in perpetuity". Wouldn't these rights have to be paid for every year?Quote:
Originally Posted by newbiehunter
Doesn't the guide rights have an expiry time frame? can't be forever...Quote:
Originally Posted by newbiehunter
My guess is there is a time frame involved for renewal but that they have first right of refusal. Essentially they can then have it in perpetuity as long as they have sufficient funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Alternatively it could be like mineral or tree rights that in some cases are owned in perpetuity independent of the land ownership.