go to the ebr search 012-0623 im not saying I disagree with all users paying their share its the way the mnr is attempting it
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go to the ebr search 012-0623 im not saying I disagree with all users paying their share its the way the mnr is attempting it
How are they attempting it?
it is some whet buried in a policy change to raise commercial fishing fees
I can't see it.
http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ext...tusId=MTgxMzUy
The Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) has a broad mandate that includes the sustainable management of fish and wildlife. This diverse program includes resource management activities such as enforcement, resource monitoring, policy and program development, resource allocation, licensing, research, and fish stocking.
Ontarian’s benefit from healthy fish and wildlife resources through recreation, employment, tourism and spin-off benefits to the biodiversity of Ontario’s ecosystems. Ontario has 1.32 million licenced anglers and over 400,000 hunters. The 2010 Survey of Recreational Fishing in Canada estimates the value of Ontario's recreational fisheries at $2.5 billion and hunting is estimated to contribute another $1.8 billion. Together, recreational fishing and hunting provide more than $4 billion to the Ontario economy. In addition, commercial fishing harvests of approximately $35 – 40 million in fish annually create additional economic value through the processing and retail sale of resultant food products. However, trends in fishing and hunting participation, demographics and the economy are impacting the funding available for MNR’s fish and wildlife program and Ontario's resource-based tourism industry which includes approximately 1,575 licensed tourist operators generating hundreds of millions of dollars in revenues annually, and account for a significant portion of tourism revenue for Northern Ontario.
MNR’s Fish and Wildlife program is supported by the consolidated revenue fund (CRF) which includes general provincial taxes and a Special Purpose Account (SPA). In 1995, the SPA was established through the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act (FWCA) ensuring revenues from licence sales, permits, royalties, fines and fees be used exclusively to fund MNR’s fish and wildlife program. The rules for managing this fund are governed by the Province’s Special Purpose Account Policy (2003).
This program costs approximately $100M annually to deliver programs and services across Ontario, with 67% of funding from the SPA and 33% from CRF. Trends in licence sales and participation in fishing and hunting have changed since the 1995 establishment of the Fish and Wildlife SPA. For example, the number of licenced anglers has declined over the past 15 years from 1.61M in 1995 to 1.26M in 2010 (Source: Department of Fisheries and Oceans). Based on the demographic profile of current licensees and declines in angling participation, MNR will need to reduce fish and wildlife program expenditures starting in 2015 in order to maintain a positive SPA balance. In a recent Consumer Research Survey (Harris/Decima 2013), clients and the public were asked about their preferences for trade-offs given this forecast, and 95% of respondents favoured alternatives to increase funding and sustain the program through various new revenue initiatives over program and service delivery reductions. Only 5% of respondents supported the reduction of the fish and wildlife management program.
Jurisdictions in the US and Canadian western provinces have demonstrated that new, innovative strategies to address fish and wildlife program funding sustainability can be successful by using a blend of initiatives such as new licence offerings to better meet client needs, broadening the client base beyond traditional users, increased transparency and public reporting to show how licence dollars are spent, cost efficiencies, diversification of revenue streams, improved client services to respond to emerging needs, and targeted marketing.
The draft Sustainability Strategy for the Fish and Wildlife Special Purpose Account, 2014-2019 proposes to stabilize and moderately increase revenues to the Fish and Wildlife SPA through a variety of goals, strategies and tactics including strategic review of licences, diversifying revenue streams, marketing and promotion, cost efficiencies, and transparent reporting. Should the strategy be approved, some regulatory change proposals may follow.
The Strategy proposes three goals to sustain fish and wildlife programming well into the future:
1. Increase Fish and Wildlife SPA revenue by enhancing relationships with existing clients, increasing participation, and diversifying revenues
2. Apply Fair Cost Recovery and Value by ensuring licence fees and royalty rates are transparent and based on costs, benefits and a fair rate of return to the Province for the use of the resource
3. Enhance Efficiency by improving program efficiency and finding opportunities for savings thereby allowing more fiscal resources to be directed to fish and wildlife conservation.
The proposed strategies and tactics focus on:
• Enhancing relationships with clients
• Increasing involvement by attracting new participants
• Diversifying revenues
• Improving cost recovery
• Modernizing fees and royalties
• Collaborating with partners to achieve shared goals
Purpose of Policy:
To give notice of and invite comments on the draft Sustainability Strategy for the Fish and Wildlife Special Purpose Account, 2014-2019.
Other Information:
The following web link provides additional information.
Draft Sustainability Strategy for the Fish and Wildlife Special Purpose Account, 2014-2019 http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_110525.pdf
Public Consultation:
This proposal has been posted for a 47 day public review and comment period starting April 16, 2014. If you have any questions, or would like to submit your comments, please do so by June 02, 2014 to the individual listed under "Contact". Additionally, you may submit your comments on-line.
All comments received prior to June 02, 2014 will be considered as part of the decision-making process by the Ministry of Natural Resources if they are submitted in writing or electronically using the form provided in this notice and reference EBR Registry number 012-0623.
Please Note: All comments and submissions received will become part of the public record. You will not receive a formal response to your comment, however, relevant comments received as part of the public participation process for this proposal will be considered by the decision maker for this proposal.
Other Public Consultation Opportunities:
Consultation to date includes the following:
• 23 presentations at stakeholder sessions from Dec. 2012 to Mar. 2013 (Appendix A)
• Focus session for key stakeholders from Nov. 2013 to Feb. 2014 (Appendix B)
In addition, the Strategy is based on evidence obtained through a Consumer Research Survey conducted in August – September 2013 of a statistically representative number of licence clients, lapsed clients (i.e., that have not renewed their licence in 3 years) and the general population (2005 respondents in total).
Contact:
All comments on this proposal must be directed to:
Silvia Strobl
Project Manager
Ministry of Natural Resources
Provincial Services Division
Fish and Wildlife Services Branch
300 Water Street
Peterborough Ontario
K9J 8M5
Phone: (705) 755-3208
To submit a comment online, click the submit button below:
open that mnr document in your posting go to page 30
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_110525.pdf
Page 30
Potential introduction of senior
citizens fishing licences
At present, Ontario and Canadian residents aged 65 and older fish for free in Ontario. This
practice is inconsistent with other public licensing systems in the province such as
driver’s licences, pilot’s licences, camping fees and hunting licences.
Without licence requirements there are inequities, gaps in the
ministry’s information regarding harvest, and the number of seniors that fish. Ontario is also the only Great
Lake province or state in which resident senior citizens can fish for free.
The Harris/Decima survey demonstrated very strong support for introducing a discounted
licence for seniors. MNR is therefore proposing (Table 2) a discounted Seniors
Conservation Fishing Licence and a discounted Seniors Sport Fishing Licence at 80 percent
of the standard fee.No changes are proposed to the requirement for non
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Canadian residents aged 65 and older who currently must purchase an Outdoors Card and a regular
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priced fishing licence
The old man won't be too impressed at this one. He's been counting the days!
Wouldn't you just know it. Just when a whole slew of baby boomers are reaching that magic age of 65,the government pulls this stuff. We might be able to take advantage of it for a couple of more years until this gets enacted,but,the Liberals will get us,sooner or later.
Seems right, that generation fished out every lake they could which caused the introduction of a licensing system to help fund restocking.
Well that's painting everyone with the same brush . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by JJZ
Thats why its being done. Lost license dollars with an aged population on the horizon.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
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Originally Posted by JJZ
JJZ, Take it your not very old or have a lot of knowledge on this subject. it was about 75-80 years ago that this was taking place, sure some of the guys on here older than me , might have pictures of their fathers or uncles with more than 6 bass but I don't. I'm 61, when I started fishing by myself,,,(probably age of 16 ) there where already fishing regulations with opening dates and also limits on what you could keep in place......... So it wasn't OUR GENERATION that caused the problem. and if you think our licensing dollars go into restocking ( yes restocking the provincial government cupboards ). it is nothing more than another TAX on us Taxpayers...
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This isn't huge money guys....it's less than $20 a year ( sports + 1/3 of the 3 yr card). Why is it that guys are willing to spend $10K for a boat but quibble over $20 for a licences to fish...
Yes...this will affect me soon....but I have to say, I'm not going to cry in my corn flakes because it will cost me $20 to go fishing....
...especially since the money is going to support the activities of the MNR !!!
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proposed changes for 2016:
Ontario Seniors Conservation Fishing Licence; $13.17 plus
Outdoors Card ($9.68)
Ontario Seniors Sports Fishing Licence; $23.11 plus
Outdoors Card ($9.68)
Not all the damage was due to over fishing. A great deal was due to acid rain and development. Probably even where JJZ lives development ther probably caused environmental damage. So JJZ you are as much the problem. Think before you speak.
On a slightly different note in NB no fishing license was required untl 1985 but it was free. In 1989 they started charging 5.00 for a license. Licensing was originally brought to see how many were fishing and to get stats.
I'm not too sure why some are complaining for 20$ either! Live changed, there is nothing free and people retired do fish more than most of us..... But it's still a cheap shot.
wow the 65 plus guys cant catch a break
Now just a cotton pickin' minute!
For the better part of my 65 year fishing history I have been doing what I could to make for better fishing. When they brought out the FIRST batch of licenses I bought them for my family. When they were cancelled I still volunteered for steam/lake improvement projects. When they came out with the SECOND batch of licenses my wife refused to buy one just to fish for a few hours twice a year, and finally quit altogether, because she manages the money and we had none to spare.
Now that she is 65 we have dug out her old rod and when we take our 1970 aluminium 12' boat she comes along, maybe three times each summer.
While I haven't held a steady "job" in twenty years ( by choice) I have been paying taxes, both federal and provincial as well as volunteering when needed. For health reasons I don't get out as often as I would like even though I get free fishing both with my handicapped sticker and my "old peoples " card.
Gotta be another scheme from the liberals to steal more of my money!
the whole issue in my eyes is the way its being done myself not being that old I would pay more for a license but I want to see some accountability for whats being done eg zone 11 has a limit of 5 brook trout with only one over 12.2inches(31 cm) this regulation is even for stocked lakes and no one is willing to say why
Agreed. But to be expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by seabast
I think your missing the whole point....the MNR activities are largely funded my USER fees..ie, your licences etc....that way it is NOT a tax on taxpayers. Why should those who don't use the outdoors be expected to fund (thru taxation) for us to use the lakes for fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG MAC
The point is there are not getting enough funds to complete their mandate and are looking at ways to generate more operating capital....and if it's thru making 65+ fisherman pay $20 a yr.....why would anyone whine about it ?
I'm sure if you sent an email to an MNR biologist they would be happy to tell you why they put the restrictions on...Have you tried that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by manson
$20 isn't the issue. The part that PO's me is the way the Liberals are just trying to s-l-i-d-e another in there under the table instead of coming straight out with it,up front and honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
This EBR is an internal MNR document..nothing to do with Liberals...Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I'll be 65 on 3 years. On one hand, I can't understand the big deal about $20. I'd gladly pay it, no problem. But then , I make lots of money right now, so $20 is a bottle of wine. I drink 2 per weekend. Then I read what Pat32rf has to say, and I can kind of relate. My wife might fish once a year, too. And I like my alcohol. Looking at it that way, $20 is now $40 per year, and it does hurt folks with fixed incomes. Maybe there should be some kind of fee waving for guys that volunteer - just a thought. It takes money and volunteers to execute a successful program. I'd volunteer anyway, but it doesn't seem fair to start chipping away at fixed incomes like that from guys who are already giving back. That will be me in a few years.
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Originally Posted by denny22
They'll just raise the taxes on alcohol if they dont have enough money so you might as well pay directly into the SPA.
Or have over 65 pay a token amount for reg licences, but conservation ones are free.Quote:
Originally Posted by denny22
My dad is 74, he doesn't pay, and I like to think that he's entitled, as I'd like to have that little perk when I hit 65 as well.
Would he? Sure. Would I? Sure.
As mentioned either previously here, or in another thread, there is actually a decline in licenses, which means that program delivery will suffer, if that shortfall cant be reconciled somewhere.
mike pal I did discuss this with the biologist he felt this was his way of maintaining the fishery and I could understand control on the native fishery but on stocked lakes as well doesn't sit well with me as I said before the cost could increase to a hundred dollars all I want is transperancy with what the ministry is doing
Well I see my buddy Mike Pal is once again supporting a money grab by the government . . Damn you Mike .LOL;) .
I chuckle at anybody saying that this is supporting the fish and wild life program . There is no such thing anymore . All were supporting is bureaucrats in this province and big pensions . I wont reach the age of 65 for another 11 years and hope to be out of this province of Ontario by then but in the mean time I have no intention of robbing our seniors .
Something to remember Mike and others . It starts with only $20 but increases never end .:scream:
TD
Now now BB....understanding and supporting are two different things....like anyone I'd rather have the $20 in my pocket....BUT if it means that the MNR can top up the SPA coffers for the all around good of the MNR...so be it. With the political idiots in T.O continuing to cut the MNR budget, we, as outdoorsmen need to ensure that the management of the resources is maintained, even if we, the collective we, have to dig deeper to make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
No doubt that it will increase, 20$ for a year a fishing and countless of fish dinner it's cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
Maybe they should just increased the age to 75 instead of 65?!
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Mike, the point I was trying to make was the ""generation thing"", I'll have to check ( when I have time ) but I was pretty sure there was a thread awhile ago how all our ""license fees"" went straight back into the big pot of money for them to spend how they see fit, not necessarilly on fishing or hunting related issues, but could be wrong on that front.
Does Mike pal even fish jk , As for the cost of hunting tags they far exceed a fishing license which has no age limits .I would choose to fish over hunting if cost was a issue and of course all funds go to supports the MNR right ...
Trolling? No. A little tongue n cheek? guilt. I just don't see it as a big deal if someone over 65 has to buy a discount licence to fish. The generation that is turning 65 soon or has in the last 10 years is probably the most well off of any generation so a licence that works out to about $2 a month isnt going to hurt anyone. We arent talking about war widows here.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
To answer some of the other comments, no I am not 16, Iam in my 40s. Obviously yes I was broad brushing with my comments Iam sure even back 30 years ago or so before catch and release was well known there were some conservationists. And the ones that were keeping everything they caught I dont blame them at all, it was the standard practice back then. My grandfather who I respect more than anyone, the one who started me fishing would be lumped into this group as well so trust me when I say I dont blame them, just simply stating a fact. Around that same time car seats for kid were optional doesnt mean you were a bad parent if you didnt use one, it was just the practice of the time.
Pay as you go type systems like this are good in my books and beat a general across the board tax increase any day. And lets hope there is a provincial governement change shortly and this is all a moot point.
It isn't the obvious money grab that bugs my butt. Living in the north all I see is a continuously limited access to lakes that I fished when I was younger. So I'm paying licence fees that support commercial operations.
That's equal opportunity??
Not really a big deal in the current economic climate. However, some folks have waited 65 years to get something free out of the government........and now nothing.....lol.
What..at 65 they start to sent you a cheque every month...just use $20 of it to get out fishing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by heronk
Anyone who's okay with this needs an elastic band stretched around their head... So they can snap out of it.
It's the big foreign Corps. like Inco that ruined the fisheries not individual fisher-people. Fairly tax one Big Foreign Corp. (like GE) and we'd have all the revenue we'd need.
It's not okay to go after the little guy all the time. Take a stand!:thumbup:
Right. Manufacturing is leaving this province in droves because the taxes, and hydro rates are the highest in North America, and your solution is to raise the taxes on them?....Quote:
Originally Posted by gubbz
Economics 101.
lol . Maybe they should lower the age and to under 50 and charge you triple to offset the increase to seniors on a fixed budget . And since when is fishing ever cheap ? That comment is way out there .:DQuote:
Originally Posted by seabast
TD
Should be free for 45. ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
I am paid based on an annual salary, which in my world = a fixed income. For the last 7 years it has neither gone up or down, not even cost of living allowance increases... Can I be exempt too?Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
Are you in the sunshine club ?. If so send me some green and you can add me as a dependent .;):thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
TD
Absolutely not GW . Your a poultry farmer and they already get enough subsidies .;)Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
TD
I should get free hunting and fishing as I am from the Maritimes, kinda of a Minority. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
I believe the MNR are there to protect the wild life and are funded by our taxes and not just the user fees for fishing and hunting.
Tell me when was the last time they stocked Perch, Pickerel , Crappie, Catfish, or Silver Bass, the list can go on and on. In the great lakes, or any lake.
They don't.
far from making the sunshine listQuote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
I think they should just increase the fishing licence and leave the seniors alone.
It's $30.00, that's nothing. With the baby boomers becoming cheap, I want to become cheap. I don't want to pay for their expensive healthcare costs that will cost my generation. It's bad enough we have to clean up their mess with little pay to afford it. Thanks Baby Boomers and Gen Xer's for for this mess.
I think a few people on here need to read the report at link called :
FISH AND WILDLIFE SPECIAL PURPOSE ACCOUNT
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2010/11
It's a report on how much money is involved and where it gets spent etc....an eye opener if you think all they should be doing is stocking your lake .
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_109164.pdf
It actually sounds like ( if you read it) that the problem is with the younger generations not getting into fishing, not buying licences and not generating revenue for the MNR....so they've had to ask the old folks to start kicking in. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
Bad enough alright we paid for your education and healthcare costs all these years . You seem to want to forget that . Funny thing also we had plenty of game and fish in my generation yet since you were born and started utilizing it ,, it has become a mess . It's not seniors leaving garbage etc everywhere . It's you barely out of diapers guys . ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
TD
Good one Mike .;):thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I must fall into the young generation as I'm not old enough to be a Senior. ;)
I'll see if I have time to bear hunt this fall and buy a license to support you old guy's.
I skipped a couple of pages , but I don't know what bear hunting has to do with seniors buying a discounted fishing licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Hang around a bit bud and it will shortly , I'm sure . LOL;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FishinScuba
Still a lot cheaper than hunting, and taste better than a tags soup....:moose:Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
In a nutshell not enough young people into hunting and fishing spending money, hence my 40 bucks might help and seniors can still get a free license..
Quote:
Originally Posted by FishinScuba
Wow here we go again, this generation blaming that generation, for the so called lack of fish etcetera etcetera ! You might be interested to know that back in the Seventies era in the lil town of Bobcaygeon we had 3 tackle - bait shops , right close to the dam. Now at that time anglers & the bait shops along with a few resorts kept hold a petition for the anglers to sign, in which was proposed to have a minimum length to keep a walleye,(slot size), these petitions went on for a few years as they were handed over to the mnr. But the answer from the mnr. Was always the same , we realize a limit size is practised in the U.S.A. For bass fishing But we do not believe it will help here in Canada , blah blah blah. So for all you people that blame poor fishing on earlier anglers go chomp down on a siwash hook!
Oh by the way when the new dam went in in Bobcaygeon low water conditions resulted leaving good spawning beds to deteriate.Then came cottage after cottage , boat numbers increased ten fold and so did pollution ! Letme leave you with this thought ,to make a 65 year old angler buy a fishing license , is going to help the fisheries, lol,remove the siwash hook very carefully from lips!
John
Most of the polution in Ontario Lakes in the late 70's 80's came in the form of 'acid rain' and that killed off most lakes. The cottagers added to that, but no where near the same inpact as the industry's of Northern NY and S/Ont.Quote:
Originally Posted by old duckman
Fact: the MNR needs revenues to increase programs like fish stocking the lakes etc....so if the don't get more money..by either increased licence fees and/or making ALL fisherman contribute....then the problem is only going to get worse for the next generation...if they are even interested in real (vs interactive video) fishing :)
its so nice to see such a united front this is exactly what goverments like to see people blaming each other instead of the people who are paid to manage the resources
You took the words out of my mouth Manson ! The anti,s just love it . Also for those who feel so strongly about license money , I have a suggestion , why not have the tax money on fishing tackle & hunting supplies go into the said resource , now that would be a boost to the fishery & hunting environment don,t you think ?Quote:
Originally Posted by manson
John
Manufacturing is leaving because our minimum wage workers are being put on a global scale with our so called free trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
101 back at you.
Old people should pay for the bad economy? I have an elastic band for you if you'd like...
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Originally Posted by gubbz
So what's with the elastic bands...tough childhood :) (jk)Quote:
Originally Posted by gubbz
That would be a good idea. google "Pittman Robertson act". The US is about 75 years ahead of us on this...but then again, fishing and hunting is important to Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by old duckman
If anyone in government, or here for that matter thinks that introducing a $20 licence from the few seniors (who are actually anglers) is going to bail the MNR out of its fiscal problems they're sadly mistaken. The money generated from such a licence will just about pay for the heat and hydro of their district off ice in Peterborough. Not one nickel will ever end up putting more fish in a creel.
Old people should pay for the economy....I like that....sonny we've been paying for every bad government since Deifenbacker (sp) and been taxed to death while the government gives our tax money away to 3rd world countries like it's candy....hell the banks can turn a quarterly profit of around 1 BILLION $$$$...QUARTERLY sunny.....and I'm still working for the same wage I got 10 YEARS AGO ....SUNNY i GOT AN INNER TUBE FOR YOUR INFLATED HEAD SHOULD YOU NEED IT !
Did I read things wrong in the report? I had understood that the proposed fee was to make up for the projected loss in revenue as baby boomers turn 65. I would have assumed that they were using statistics based on the current fishing license holders and their ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Not all money that MNR receives is from licences alone. The bulk of their budget comes from cabinet so every time the ruling government of the day cuts back jobs (staff), that means money from cabinet is gone. I suspect revenue from licencing is a pittance of their entire operating budget for the year.
In regards to the SPA...page 4 of the link I provided earlier says that they get $56 million of the $75 million from licence fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
see page 4 ( http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_109164.pdf )
For almost 2/3 of the operating budget come from the SPA.Quote:
Operating expenditures for the Fish and Wildlife Program, including enforcement, amounted to $ 108.5 million in fiscal year 2010/11. Approximately 60% percent of these expenditures ($64.5 million) were supported by recoveries from the Fish and Wildlife SPA. The remaining $44 million in program expenditures were supported by funding from the CRF (Consolidated Revenue Fund).
Very interesting figures you have posted,I read the report you have posted & I must be missing something there , but hey I am getting on in age, for 2011 it states $55,614. $,2010,38,558 . 2009 $36,781. These are for resident hunting &fishing licenses, ,as I say I am missing something so please help ! Anyhow I really donot want to argue about this it's just after all these years of mismanagement of our money by the government kinda leaves a certain taste in my mouth that is not so nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
John
I'm a senior and I'm not against seniors paying for a fishing license IF and ONLY IF all the money raised from licenses went to the MNR directly. It doesn't. It goes to the Treasurer of Ontario where it distributed. To who???? How much of that goes back to the MNR is a good question? How much money was spent on the new computer licensing system that was developed and is controlled in the USA? Now they are changing it again from the machines that licensing issuers have now to a full screen computer etc. The issuers are still only getting 75 cents per license yet they have to buy the new equipment. Every time there is a new budget the MNR portion gets cut resulting in layoffs. With all the cutbacks I can see at some time in the future there will be only 1 CO for the whole province and he/she is probably going to be part time.
Fish Safe and Often (while you can)
Poppa
Here's an example of free privileges at 65. As posted below, one can volunteer to continue to pay after 65.
The break down is Price.....Agent Fee and the third column Process Fee.
Senior Exempt Lifetime License - Voluntary - age 65 and over, includes All Game Hunting, Freshwater Fishing license, Archery/Primitive Weapon/Crossbow, and WMA.Does not include saltwater fishing and waterfowl stamp. $2.30 $1.00 $1.70
You'll have to read back thru the posts Poppa...the funds generated thru licensing DO go directly into the Special Purpose Account (SPA) for Fish and Wildlife activities ONLY !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poppa
Well, I have no problem with Seniors getting a free license and when I'm as old as MikePal, Goosesniper, Impact, Line51, Dgeary, SawBill and others on here. I want my free fishing license and a free hunting license.:silly: 40 more years for me to go.:moose:
Maybe some wealthy OOD member will pass and bequeath his fortune to an OFAH fund to pay for all our fishing/hunting licences in perpetuity for guys over 65....... :)
GW, you don`t learn to stack wood properly you ain`t gonna make 65 anyway.
BTW, the camp door is still open to you.
We plan to be down, made that as part of the journey.
Going to make those piles only 5 ft high this year not 8 ft.:o
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Originally Posted by sawbill
Charge all the under 65 fishermen another buck a year and leave the old guys alone. I will be there in five years and looking forward too having that extra cash for a dozen Molson Canadian.
So, has the proposed change been passed in parliament? If so, when is it effective, as I need to tell my (just) retired
dad and uncle. They looked at the free license as one of the few positives left given by the government, so much for that.
It's where the money goes AFTER it hits the SPA,that's the trouble. The Liberal's bureaucrats have been using it for everything but what it's intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Personally, I would gladly pay the fees to continue enjoying the outdoors when I am a senior. In my view, almost every other hobby out there will cost you a lot more than $20 a year, so $20 is peanuts. Considering the future change demographics, it only makes sense this fee should be instituted. Bottom line: I enjoy the outdoors and I am willing to pay for this privilege. I know that regardless of the potential inefficiencies of our government and MNR, generally speaking, good comes from supporting them. Flawed as they may be, I think we can all agree we would be in dire straights if we didn't have them around.
I think most members on here would agree with me in that we all just want what is best for our resources. That being said it is the attitude of entitlement or "I want what is owed to me" that has decimated our resources in the past, not one particular demographic. I think collectively we need to get over the attitude of entitlement and start asking what can I do for our resources, not what can our resources do for me (sorry for the bad Kennedy speech reference). Lets not let politics, personal opinion of the MNR or specific incidents get in the way of what we are talking about here and that is our collective natural resources and the very realistic cost of $20 a year.
But that is just my opinion which I don't expect everyone to share. My apologies in advance if I have offended anyone.
Cheers
Al
I personally have no issues with everyone requiring a license, regardless of age, you are using a resource that requires money to manage it, and it has to come from somewhere. That aside, the cost of a license for fishing is minimal, where else can you spend 20 bucks and have year round entertainment?
I don't disagree with the need for money the cost for a license I find is minimal compared to everything else the whole post was based on the way the increase is not out in the open
I don't see what the problem is with the way it is being done either? it is currently a posted proposal, same as the spring bear hunt was, etc.
Right on the main page
Those three I have bolded all shout out to me "more charges coming to the end user" and should be a cause to actually read the whole proposal in full. I don't see it being sneaky.Quote:
The proposed strategies and tactics focus on:
• Enhancing relationships with clients
• Increasing involvement by attracting new participants
• Diversifying revenues
• Improving cost recovery
• Modernizing fees and royalties
• Collaborating with partners to achieve shared goals
The target group is seniors. How many are sitting around searching the web? Most can't fix their VCR when it flashing 12 and most have no idea of the existence of the EBR.
A 'proposal only' from the MNR is another phrase for 'forgone conclusion'.
Yes, its sneaky.
I guess I will always disagree with some people the mnr could have publicized this a lot better they have no problem wasting money on other things ie moose meeting and then do what ever they want
Although I am a big supporter of OFAH, I am surprised OFAH has not updated their website with this information or that it wasnt added to the May Issue of the out of doors magazine. I know many people rely on the Magazine as a source of info on the politics of Natural resources in our province. I will be sending them a message to inquire I think.
Message sent to OFAH. I am sure many seniors rely on that magazine for updates and it seems like a ball drop that that wasn't in there.
Good move on your part. I agree that most seniors are likely to rely on printed media or tv for news rather than the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by captain cotton
I'm not convinced many seniors will bother getting a license if this passes. I think they'll just join the "dropping out of fishing" sector. It's hard enough to get my father-in-law to fish (he's 87). He stopped hunting when the registry showed up and stopped operating a boat when the boaters card arrived. There goes fishing.
Come on old guys are not dead we can set the time on our VCR,s we just prefer to suck you young people into doing it !Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
I jokingly asked my daughter a while back that the next time she visited she could fix my VCR. She said, "Dad, what's a VCR?"