Heading down to Wasaga to drop the family off at the in-laws and going to swing into Cabela's and grab a couple flats of fowl ammo.
Was going to grab Kent FS #2's but wondering if anyone shoots the Silver Steel, is it work the extra bucks?
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Heading down to Wasaga to drop the family off at the in-laws and going to swing into Cabela's and grab a couple flats of fowl ammo.
Was going to grab Kent FS #2's but wondering if anyone shoots the Silver Steel, is it work the extra bucks?
Think Cabelas doesn't open till July, or did they change the opening date?
July 10th, heading down that day.
Brand 1 steel shot vs Brand 2 steel shot. Do you guy's really see that big of a difference? I have only tried a few and pattern them they seemed ok can't remember what the results were last year. But anyways do you find a big enough difference especially if there is a large difference in cost?
I shot a variety of ammo last year, the higher dollar name brands, 1 worked amazing, 1 wasn't worth it's weight in, steel, (both patterned just fine) but when it came time to knock em down, one just wasn't doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Shot some of the cheap stuff as I ran low on other stuff and it was laying in the bottom of the blind bag, just the run of the mill walmart Winchester X, and it did a heck of allot better than that one big dollar name brand.
Nice thing about Kent is it performs (in my experience) like a high dollar shell is suppose to, yet is only 18 bucks a box.
The "silver steel" is 4 dollars more, but still considerably cheaper then some other brands, just curious if the Silver is worth the $4
Probably not. Kent FS is good stuff.
All I use is Fasteel. Get a good choke, pattern your gun, smash ducks!
I shoot the silver steel and I shoot federal heavy waterfowl loads (both 1.5oz of shot), used to shoot fast steel. Do I see a big difference, not really, may end up with a few less cripples as the season progresses. I sometimes use a wad stripper and the fast steel is not ideal through those due to the really high velocity, so the silver steel is better suited to that. Cost really is not an issue and at $22.00/box for a premium ammo it's still a good deal:)
I have shot more geese with Winchester cheapo 3in steel BB and #2 then any of the expensive stuff. I found that black cloud patterned fine but did not give me any advantage over anything else.
People say that speed kills but by last few shots of 3in T steel at 1000fps took down some geese this past fall. I am not planning to getting anything this slow anymore, but it still works, just hitting birds crossing in front of you is different.
Just be aware of speed limitations for a lot of chokes, these hyper speed loads are iffy for a lot of choke manufacturers.
Kent is good stuff, I have shot SS only when no FS was available and I didn’t see any diff. Kent is pretty much all I use and 2s and 3s for ducks and BBs for geese. All 3” I don’t see the value of 3.5” w/ high speed steel now. I have also had very good results w Rem hypersonic in #2 and BB - 1700 fps out of Beretta w/ a ext Mod choke. You have to find what brand/speed works w/ your gun/choke. I dont have good results w/ black cloud but that is probably just gun choke combo.
I didnt think T's were legal in ON but I used steel when it first came out in the US and the early stuff at 1200 fps was not good w lots of cripples, not until the 1500+ fps stuff came out did the kill rate go up. That is one of the reasons why we went to 3.5 back in the day was to get pellet count up w/ slow shot speeds.
T is legal if there is no big game gun season or you have a license for that big game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave S
Lots of guys used to use buckshot for geese back in the lead days.
Fox - thx for the clarification, 15 yrs ago steel T shot was not legal in ONT, it made no sense but that was the law, glad they clarified it. I never used it but I know it was used to hunt sandhill cranes.
Grab a case of each and let us know. I doubt you'll find any difference.
I shot some #7 silver steel at doves and it worked fine.
S.
I shoot a lot of Kent Steel Shot over the last 8 years and I don't see the difference between the FS vs the SS, except price.
Lately, I've been doing a lot of open water shooting and the Kent FS has done well for me.
I agree, a good Choke and patterning your gun is important!
I remember seeing something that said "no single projectile" they left the size up to you but now you have the non-toxic shot requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave S
We would have been using T steel shot 15 years ago, that was my first year hunting.
It may have been a municipal bylaw though, some ban large shot, rifles, rifles over X caliber, target shooting, it all depends.
Thanks for all the feedback folks :)
Fox - i recall the migratory bird regs saying no shot larger than BBB at one time so T would have been illegal but that was when I came back to canada in 99. I had a box of 3.5" T and wondered why I couldnt use it may have to go dig it up
If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black bear as the case may be.
T is OK as long as the controlled hunt is not on in Southern Ont where I hunt.
Try challengers if you haven't already... They work great for me
As Skeeter wrote, the regulation was not the migratory rules but rather the gun hunt for deer, moose, elk or bear. This is still in effect, if you are hunting during an open big game hunt you cannot use anything larger then BBB steel or BB bismuth unless you have a license to hunt that particular big game species at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave S
We always had a deer license but never hunted geese during the deer hunt anyway so it was fine. I still have some T floating around, it still works just not a lot of pellets.
If your coming in say hi, I will be behind the gun counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
Blake
What about the Remington Steel? Do anyone use that?
Will do Blake I will more than likely be in on the Saturday or the Sunday 12th/13thQuote:
Originally Posted by boilerguy2412
greatwhite - when kent was not available i used rem hypersonic and it performed as well as kent was just more $. I find the kent 1500 fps works better than rem 1500 fps. But again its subsject to gun/choke. For my set up and money kent is best performance and value
Both loads use the same wads, hull, and primer. Different powder and the shot is zinc coated. They might pattern different if the velocity is different, but if not, you won't notice a difference.