some people can really piss me off

so went out to my bear bait yesterday, did my thang, then decided just to take a little atv ride further up the trail which is just a dead end trail. well seen a new little trail cut off to the side about 150 yds up from my trail, so of course i follwed it, and wouldnt ya know, there is a nice tree stand built there, started looking around, oh, wouldnt ya know there is bait 50 yds in front of it... gah, million acres of crown land around, and he sets up right beside me... and my bait isnt hard to find, and bin there for a few years now... with the season only 10 days away not sure what im gonna do, getting late to move, and its bin a excellent spot... gah people

A-h-h-h,the wonderful world of hunting popular areas of Crown Land. Ain't it just special?

its not even that popular... only accessible by atv way out of way for pretty much anybody but me... but... ive got a good idea whos it is... was talking to a fella last year who hasnt had luck getting bears at his bait and stupid me said ive gotton bears the last 2 years... guessing he found my bait... same guy my neighbour caught hunting his property last year...

I would leave a note saying you will be in there on which days and that your bait is right on top of his and been there for years....see what happens. Or if you know who it is may be worth tracking him down and workign something out, unfortunately its a piss off for sure but its also crown land by sounds of it and not much you can do. Maybe if hes a decent guy he will either move his setup or you guys can work together ....if its as good of spot as you say there has got to be enough bears in there for both of you and maybe you can get him his first bear

Sorry to hear about the bait buddy. Sucks thats its so close to the opener. Tough call not to poop on his treestand. I know it will be a tough enough year around these parts as is with the huge apple and berry crop. Best of luck with the decision. Might just have to be the better hunter and offer a tastier bait.

That's deffinently a heart breaker to come across, obviously every right to be there, but, some ethics would be nice, given he did see your setup? any chance he came in a different way, or no way in heck he missed you, and just setup overtop anyway?

yes crown land, i gotta deal with, just the ethics that piss me off, i wouldnt empose on somebody else like that, when i picked the spot i went all over, making sure no body else was around, explored every trail, then selected this spot... i was considering helping the guy out by offering a fresh jug of fryer grease in his tree stand... lol probably what i will end up doing is setting up a second barrel somewhere else as a back up and hunt my normal stand the 1st few days, and hopefully get my bear opening day like the previous 2 years, but if not move my stand to the second barrel... funny thing is, if the guy hadve asked me, i wouldve let him hunt my stand after i got my bear, have offered that to people in the past. but if its the guy i think it is, he's known in the area as "one of those guys" and i have pics of him at my bait last year checking things out so... ive got a good idea who it is...

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Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie

That's deffinently a heart breaker to come across, obviously every right to be there, but, some ethics would be nice, given he did see your setup? any chance he came in a different way, or no way in heck he missed you, and just setup overtop anyway?

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just a trail wide enough for a atv, now my bait is off the trail but i got a atv trail right to my barrel, so if he followed the trail he would see it... is a chance the guy didnt look around, but...

no other way in, just a old grown in log trail, that comes to a dead end...

Put up another stand 20ft from his overlooking his bait.

Unfourtunant but it's the joys of hunting on crown land. Hopefully things work out for you

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Originally Posted by terrym

Put up another stand 20ft from his overlooking his bait.

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Y not just hunt from his stand?

The key words I see are " his" stand and "my" bear.

The key words I would use is the other hunter in unethical and lazy. He might be legal but that is all.

I stopped telling most new comers to hunting where there was crown land and where the borders of private are specificaly because of people with this type of attitude. I get many PM's asking if I would show peope where to hunt and park cars. I now turn them down. Specifically because of attitudes like yours.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

The key words I see are " his" stand and "my" bear.

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I have public land 200yds across from my dock. A hunter has baited bear there for a few years. He has shot 2 bears in 3 years. We can smell his barrel and watch vultures and crows circle over it daily. We do not walk the dog on that "public land" because of not wanting to ruin his set-up and the # of coyotes present. We have talked and he is OK about me using "his" area ,after he has gotten "his" bear. By the way he travels 50 miles to set up a couple of hundred yards from my front door. I do respect the work that he has put in , but I just wish he had done it a little further away.

There's lots of crown land out there. Going where another hunter has setup goes beyond being rude, unethical and lazy - it gets borderline close with violating the "interfering with a hunt" law.

How close is too close? I can walk to this crown land, everyone else has to drive a distance to get there. If I started a bait 1 mile away, would that be far enough or would it still be "his" bear I am after?

Get into the outfitting business and you'll soon get an eyeopener on the ethics of the local hunters.


All I could to do was hunt that bait soon as the season opened and take a bear before the other guy hunted his stand.
Then leave telltale signs that a bear had been taken.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

How close is too close? If I started a bait 1 mile away, would that be far enough or would it still be "his" bear I am after?

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I guess you could say that the distance you choose would be directly proportional to depth of your own ethics.

It happened to me on private property.Almost caught him one day. I'd move to another spot. I will not hunt near anybody.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I have public land 200yds across from my dock. A hunter has baited bear there for a few years. He has shot 2 bears in 3 years. We can smell his barrel and watch vultures and crows circle over it daily. We do not walk the dog on that "public land" because of not wanting to ruin his set-up and the # of coyotes present. We have talked and he is OK about me using "his" area ,after he has gotten "his" bear. By the way he travels 50 miles to set up a couple of hundred yards from my front door. I do respect the work that he has put in , but I just wish he had done it a little further away.

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i wouldnt set up near a house thats a bit disrepectful in my books as well... bringing bears into a persons yard... where i am other than a few private parcels of land it is litterally miles of crown land all the way down to the northern boundary of alqonquin park... more atv trails than u could explore in a lifetime and this guy has to set up right beside me lol

what i can't understand is why your not mad about it all lmao I would be ticked !!



jk ...with any luck you will be tagged out and done by the time the other guy even hits his stand

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Originally Posted by fishy steve

i wouldnt set up near a house thats a bit disrepectful in my books as well... bringing bears into a persons yard... where i am other than a few private parcels of land it is litterally miles of crown land all the way down to the northern boundary of alqonquin park... more atv trails than u could explore in a lifetime and this guy has to set up right beside me lol

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i was thinking the same thing! If you can smell it that's way too close. I would defiantly be having a chat with him as soon as possible about his chosen location

We are on an island and it is on public land 200 yards across a river from my cottage. You only smell it when he uses the dead fish, and the wind is wrong. He could shoot me off of my front porch from his stand, except there are a few trees in the way. I could complain , but he seems to be a nice guy, gave me a bunch of bear sausages for letting him shoot ducks from my property, and it IS public land. Some people forget that others use the area when you are not actively hunting.

I kinda of have the same thing happing 2 yrs ageo when i had been baiting a bait for 3yrs. In that year i ran into a outfitter that threatend me about hunting his stand which i didnt ever hunt out of or didn't know was there as it was a quad trail and I was at the far end at a beaver flood.

About 200 yrds from the road there was an old platform stand I know guys hunt moose out of and he was just just putting 5 gal pail of food out each day and was hunting weekdays. I was there weekends so we never seen each other. That year I moved my stand not that far down the rd about 1/4 km and on the other side of the road on a creek. Well not to long ago I got a threating letter in the mail with no name of sender saying he was going get me charged if i was seen at or hunted his baits. The letter said that I wasn't allowed to hunt there that i was a poacher (which I am not).

We sent the letter to the MNR guy we know well up there in Perry Sound area and he contacted both the guys with bma beside me. The MNR has called back and said I can set my bait in any area I wanna put it. I just can't interfere with his hunting or baiting so that means no use of stands, bait piles, pouring diesel on baits, can't play loud music, light firecrackers ect to bug him or hunters.

You can hunt where ever you like were his words to us and he said there will not be more problems with the outfiter ans we will be shown where baits are so we can set up so not too close to each other.

There are lots bears in the woods. I don't care for 500 lb - I would be happy with 250 lb bear (better eater)

Now another guy that I hunted with has a new gang with 13 ppl in it. They're going to try and take over my area so now the problem is I cant stop them from hunting any place they want to so i just going to hunt later and let them hunt the first week. They're gone for the year and are a bunch of guys and girls that don't care for the meat just love to kill. I love to eat bear, deer and I kill - they don't. They waste lots but unless caught red handed I can't do anything about it and it pisses me off but being crown land ppl can hunt where ever they want.

I know it sucks. I've had the same camp 14 yrs now baiting so I at least now have some good spots that i have always left stands and barrels all yr and never touched them. This year i pulled it all out of the woods and locked it up so they can't use it.

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Originally Posted by fratri

When was it okay to make fun of someones spelling/grammar in this forum? If you got a problem with it, PM would be the right thing to do.....Putting someone down (especially in the public eye) is never any good, really what can come from it, what are you trying to accomplish by doing that?
This is a hunting fishing forum for us to share our thoughts/adventures and ideas, how is saying something negative about someones grammar/spelling going to get make this forum a better place? By being negative or by putting someone down regarding their post is only going to discourage participation and I am sure thats not anyones intention.

Don't jump on the bandwagon....stick to the thread topic...

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Sorry, when I hear someone say John Madden I think of him yelling "Football".

Just the ADD part of my brain.

Thunderbug's post was perfectly valuable, just tough to read.

We all run into problems on public land, but that is one of the things with public land, it is public.

Nothing is worse then someone taking the spot you used to hunt or someone saying that public land is "Their" spot, it comes from both sides and ideally everyone should work together.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Sorry, when I hear someone say John Madden I think of him yelling "Football".

Just the ADD part of my brain.

Thunderbug's post was perfectly valuable, just tough to read.

We all run into problems on public land, but that is one of the things with public land, it is public.

Nothing is worse then someone taking the spot you used to hunt or someone saying that public land is "Their" spot, it comes from both sides and ideally everyone should work together.

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Used to play Joe maddens football on the Nintendo? Or Sega? Growing up... Was a fun game. Lol... That what I think about when I hear Joe madden

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Originally Posted by fratri

When was it okay to make fun of someones spelling/grammar in this forum? If you got a problem with it, PM would be the right thing to do.....Putting someone down (especially in the public eye) is never any good, really what can come from it, what are you trying to accomplish by doing that?
This is a hunting fishing forum for us to share our thoughts/adventures and ideas, how is saying something negative about someones grammar/spelling going to get make this forum a better place? By being negative or by putting someone down regarding their post is only going to discourage participation and I am sure thats not anyones intention.

Don't jump on the bandwagon....stick to the thread topic...

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Yes please remember not everyone here is as tech savvy or has the same writing skills as others. Please be respectful to everyone and treat each other with respect.

To help prevent further issues and to allow others to respond I helped with the flow of Thunderbug's response.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Get into the outfitting business and you'll soon get an eyeopener on the ethics of the local hunters.

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Very true point. Outfitters and guides definitely see more crap like this in a season compared to the average hunter. Plus I think it grinds a little more when you have your livelihood being infringed upon, not just your weekend hunting time. If people are having problems with their one bait, try thinking what its like to have 20+ baits.

When you're out baiting and your trucks parked at the side of the road, although you might not think anything of it, there will be one person who remembered exactly where you parked. I guess the curiosity gets to some people and they will return to the exact spot once you leave and go in for a look. Hell they'll even go in for a look when theres a hunter on a stand.

What they'll do later just depends on the person. Some people are just curious while others are down right malicious. Believe me, putting your baits over 100km down a logging road wont stop some people either, just slightly reduce some of the BS.

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Originally Posted by x_xeon_x

Very true point. Outfitters and guides definitely see more crap like this in a season compared to the average hunter. Plus I think it grinds a little more when you have your livelihood being infringed upon, not just your weekend hunting time. If people are having problems with their one bait, try thinking what its like to have 20+ baits.

When you're out baiting and your trucks parked at the side of the road, although you might not think anything of it, there will be one person who remembered exactly where you parked. I guess the curiosity gets to some people and they will return to the exact spot once you leave and go in for a look. Hell they'll even go in for a look when theres a hunter on a stand.

What they'll do later just depends on the person. Some people are just curious while others are down right malicious. Believe me, putting your baits over 100km down a logging road wont stop some people either, just slightly reduce some of the BS.

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How does that work in Ontario? I have seen outfitters (never used) but seen, and they have their own land, and aren't baiting on crown.

I know out west, outfitters actually steak/mark the land they are using.

I wouldn't of thought that outfitters would just use crown, for this exact reason, having a clients hunt ruined by someone else sitting a few yards away.

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Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie

How does that work in Ontario? I have seen outfitters (never used) but seen, and they have their own land, and aren't baiting on crown.

I know out west, outfitters actually steak/mark the land they are using.

I wouldn't of thought that outfitters would just use crown, for this exact reason, having a clients hunt ruined by someone else sitting a few yards away.

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Most of the bear guides are hunting on crown land. Licensed guides are given a Bear Management Area and have guiding rights against other licensed guides only in that area but any resident of Ontario with a valid bear hunting license can hunt that public land too....

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Originally Posted by fratri

Most of the bear guides are hunting on crown land. Licensed guides are given a Bear Management Area and have guiding rights against other licensed guides only in that area but any resident of Ontario with a valid bear hunting license can hunt that public land too....

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Ah that makes sense, thank you sir.

I have 2 maybe 3 different bma outfitters on my trapline , they all kinda converge in the area , still lots of room for other hunters though

quite a few years ago, me and a buddy had went fishing back at this back lake my uncle had a boat stashed on, this was around the start of bear season, and the outfitter in the area who i knew well, had bin baiting near this lake, so since it was bear season, buddy and i decided we would be best to wear orange walking into this lake, well we come out after fishing, and the guys wife drives past us, well i no sooner came through the door and the phone was ringing, it was the outfitter calling me, he went off on me that he was calling the mnr because i was hunting one of his baits... i just laughed and said go ahead, cause our fishing rods wouldnt have killed a bear lol

here is some pics from my trail cam of what i got coming around

http://www.oodmag.com/community/album.php?albumid=1944

Nice pics Steve! at least you're not getting any of the other guy sniffin around your stuff!