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Miss P the soft-spoken beagle from British Columbia shocked the crowd at the prestigious Westminster Kennel Club dog show in New York City by nabbing top honours.
But can she tongue a deer :)
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all bet she has a little hunt in her ..haha ,she is a nice looking little hound for sure ,Dutch
Saw this last night. Beautiful little hound for sure.
Beautiful little dog!
I had her from the very beginning. In my mind she was clearly ahead of the rest and I'm glad to see she prevailed.
MikePal, I wondered the same thing out loud to the wife. lol
Bet given half a chance that wee beastie would tongue. She just has that spark. So nice to see a dog with great structure not hidden by a designer coat take the top prize. Just hope she doesn't become a puppy machine.
Puppy machine??? After a best in show at the westminster... Cash machine may be the best term.
Breeders will be knocking down the door for a pup out of her. Nice to see how a good breeding program can pay off in the end and produce such quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by chesapeake
When I look at that Beagle I have nothing but sour memories........standing on a snowshoe hare runway for four hours, freezing, while your buddy's non-tonguing hound silently runs the hare......watching the silent hound back-run on the same trail.....hearing your buddy blowing the whistle for three more hours as he attempts to find his dog..................looking for the dog's carcass after you hear, then cut fresh coyote tracks while you're running the hound....spending two hours pulling quills out of the hound after it decides to roll on a dead porcupine.....cutting the hound's collar off with Buck knife after it grinds its neck into a pile of human e left in the bush....spending the last two hours of light looking for the hound........listening to the profanity come from your buddy when he can see the hound still running a cold trail, and refusing to come to the leash............. ahh!.......memories!
And I thought it was only our mutts gave us stories like that...all forgotten when they do do it right ..LOL..
It seems you always have an extreme experience. You keep things interesting that for sure. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenelon
Wasn't too many years back that another beagle, male that time that took top honors there. She sure is a good lookin little Beagle. Nice to see it given to a little workin dog...
I think last year was a terrier, and the previous year was the beagle.
That hound did give tongue while receiving ribbon
I thought there was a mistake in the sporting group... The chessie didn't even make the cut. Conspiracy?? With so many registered labs in the akc there would be riots in the street if a chessie placed ahead of the lab.
I was honestly cheering for the plomer spaniel
That dog is as familiar with 'work' as Paris Hilton ..LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo D
Really enjoyed the show. Particularly liked the springer spaniel. Not only nice to see the beagle from B.C. win, but also the handler , Will Alexander from Toronto. He has been handling dogs for 20 + years and I think this is his first Westminster win.
It was 2008 when Uno wonQuote:
Originally Posted by Bo D
Miss P is 3rd generation from littermate with Uno
Nice looking beagle. As a former beagle owner I will always have a soft spot for those little hounds. What she needs is a bit of scratches from underbrush and a swamplike aroma though.
HUH??? Of course there was a Chessie! They ARE part of the Sporting groupQuote:
Originally Posted by chesapeake
Stupid beauty contests have ruined too many breeds.
Yes, there was a chesapeake bay retriever. I mentioned she didn't make the cut(referring to top 4 in the group)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
Like others on here have asked about the beagle, has most of the working traits been bred out of these "show dogs"?
I know when the hosts were comintating I heard lots about therapy and some agility. I personally didn't here of any working titles.
Some breeds but not all. The hounds and terriers have changed little over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbelly
Bull terriers are deformed abominations of what they once were.
I would bet any of the dogs in that show would fail in comparison to even the culls from a working breeder.
It's a shame what shows like this do to dogs.
Not all the breeds. Working Rhodesian Ridgebacks primarily come from the same breeders that were showing in the ring. Before anyone asks what a working RR does -- that would be hunting, tracking and home securityQuote:
Originally Posted by thunderbelly
Breeders of working Ridgebacks came all the way from Africa? That's dedicated. Wonder how many Cane Corso breeders came from Italy?
I will never believe awards given to exaggerated characteristics will better a breed. If, someone wants a fluffy cuddly lapdog, or a wirehaired couch potato, I hope they find exactly what they want, but it shouldn't be presented as a working dog, or sporting dog. Unless couch surfing is a job. Look at the fate of the great dane, too tall and leggy to be a good boar hound now. Malinois are now the most popular breed ( Dutch sheppards are pretty high too) in schutzhund/ french ring. Too hard to get a roach back alsatian to hit a sleeve. I used to work my Fila beside a pera de presa canaro, poor presa hit like a sledge hammer once or twice, then needed a nap. The Fila could go all day, but then, filas are still bred for work.
Lol. Can you tell I'm a fan of function over form?
Let me correct myself -- had surgery yesterday and I maybe shouldn't be trying to string too many words together.
What I meant to say was "from the same lines"
There aren't enough Ridgebacks for the lines to have yet become working vs show. I do know quite a few that regularly hunt in the US. Everything from birds to mountain cats to hog. Almost all also have show champions as littermates. Also many that work on ranches in US west and southwest. And most of the kennels in South Africa, Botswana and Zimbabwe have American, Canadian or European blood. Young breed. Potential not yet bred out.
Thunderbelly - ?? The Brazilian Mastiff is a really good example of precisely what you despise. Like most of the giant dog breeds, it's so badly inbred now that the breed is plagued with hip and elbow dysplasia. Not much different than the Alsatian you're mocking !
Sorry, wasnt mocking the Alsatian, was mocking the people who deformed them in the 80's, I also despise the breeders who create 100+ lb Rottweilers and a huge list of others.
I think the "Brazilian mastiff" you refer to, is the Fila Brasilero, a fine dog, from a good breeder ( hard to find outside of Brazil) but the Fila I owned was a Cao de Fila de Sau Miguell ( doubt I spelled that right my Portuguese is rusty). An entirely different breed, for an entirely different job. They are more like a rough border collie, used for catching feral cattle and guarding ranches. Guess thats more like an old American Bulldog.
The standard for Rotties is anywhere between 80-135 lbs. Why would you despise a good ethical breeder that proves their dogs can work, does all the health checks, and stick to the breed standard?Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbelly
I would bet that Miss P has never seen a rabbit or even watched bugs bunny. Before working dogs and hounds come to this type of show they should have field dog accomplishments. Too many breeds being selfishly designed for bench forgetting what the dog was originally developed for.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbelly
Miss P is cute, but like somebody suggested, you would not be hunting with Paris Hilton!
Dick
Need to remember not everyone hunts and people still like the other qualities show breeds have to offer. No one is forcing you to purchase a show line dog. You will always have your field bred bloodlines and your show bloodlines to choose from. I have found with the show bloodlines a consistent representation of the breed for the most part but not so much with the field, working lines. The show bred bloodlines will never revert back to what they use to be because times have changed and purpose of the what is required the dogs duty to do. I have learned very much from show breeders and field bloodline breeders and you would be surprised how much good both have done. If you can do better then invest the time and huge sums of money and develop a breeding program to benefit your chosen breed. Highly unlikely.
10 Breeds You Love But the Westminster Judges Don't
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Thanks Thunderbelly. I had never even heard of this breed. I think I like the look of the dog with its ears natural. I've never seen round ear-cropping like that. Looks like a hyena head in the pics. They look like one solid dog. I've seen heelers work cattle and they're half the size. These guys look like they'd be bull-rollers.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbelly
Yea, sometimes you can't breed out the bad traits....LOL....
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Originally Posted by yellow dog
I would not hesitate to say that the majority of sporting, working and hounds are in homes that do not hunt. However, is it not the obligation of the breeder and confirmation judges to maintain standards that conform to the breeds original purpose. You state " The show bred bloodlines will never revert back to what they use to be because times have changed and purpose of the what is required the dogs duty to do" . The purpose of what the dog is required to do has NOT changed. It is a working dog, or hunter. If it becomes the family pet it should still have inherited qualities to work or hunt and should not have been altered to somebodies artistic eye.
I agree , no body is forcing me to purchase a dog from show lines. How ever, when I see show dogs that are being tested in field events, that have been purchase by hunters not understanding the difference in a CH vs FDX I get frustrated. This is why I maintain that a show with the coverage of the Westminster should have a prerequisites that working, sporting and hounds have an accomplishment other than winner of multiple bench titles.
Dick
Some of the dogs did have working titles such as the Flat Coated Retriever who had a JH and a few other titles as well. It bothers me as well and believe it should be a prerequisite for them to acquire working titles but the yellow Lab entered in the Westminster was waay too big . If I were to purchase a show dog today it wouldn't be a Lab but would lean towards a less popular breed out of show/working lines such as a Chesapeake or Vizsla. People most definitely need to be educated on the difference between the field lines and show before a purchase is made. But most people just want a family pet that is good with children and may never hunt with them. I had a couple of Golden Retrievers many years ago out of English show lines and they still had inherited qualities to work but not a field trial level but for the most part that is what I wanted at the time. I use to train show Siberian Huskies for one of Canada's top producing kennels. I worked them in harness fall and winter to keep them in shape for the show ring. They displayed all the excitement of the working bloodline Siberian Husky's but by mile twenty they would crash mentally and physically. The damage was done because of a breeding program that went in a completely different direction they were intended for . They were beautiful looking animals but unfortunately they were not the same animals that were imported during the 1920's . Thankfully people are still breeding the old bloodlines and they are alive and doing well. Two different markets that both have a demand for.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDH
Kinda like buying a McLaren to go get groceries.