Canadian Houndsman Garmin Supporters

“Canadian Houndsman Garmin Supporters”
Please join this Facebook group and help us to turn this around. Any help or suggestions are welcomed. Tell everyone you know who uses the Garmin tracking system to join this group. Above all PLEASE LET YOUR LOCAL M.P. KNOW that we are not happy about this Gov decision. If you are not aware of it, our Garmin tracking systems are illegal and can't be used. There will be more information available as we go along. I am working on a link... to send protest to all MPs and have been working with mine on this urgent matter. For the time being do not. I repeat do not hook your Garmin tracking system to the computer for any reason. You will probably find that your unit will become disabled. Garmin can repair it but cannot ship it back to Canada as per instructions from Canadian Government. There is a SMALL opportunity for us to have this REPEALED but we must ACT now. Please contact everyone you know who will be affected by this law. If we don't fight now we can throw our Garmin’s in the trash can. This is our last chance.
This is meant to inform anyone in Canada who uses a Garmin Tracking system.
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Peninsula Bear its just a rumor about updating your unit on the Garmin web site. I have downloaded the most resent soft wear for my alpha and its still working. I know of at least 10 other people that have down loaded soft wear so they can track the DC50 and t5 collars. I also had a good talk with a company that field trials all of Garmin new products and he said the same thing it all a big rumor in Ontario. I do agree with you on contacting your local M.P. so we can use the tracking units here in Canada legality

Does anyone have letter made up that we should send to our local MP's? Like we have seen in the past for other items such as the Gun Registry letter?

Can't you just change your IP address, and download software. In theory, of course

We plan on the completion of the letter for the end of day. If anyone, and everyone you know, can sign on to our group, and the 2 main reasons we ask. #1. Is this way we don't have to jump forum to form with current events that everyone can view, and not one person is left out of our loop. #2. I will ask for everyones address once numbers are increased. We will personally send the letter out to each, and everyone so they can sign it, and forward it on to there local MP. I have approached the the board members of the Grey Bruce Night Hunters Club, in regards to the expense of sending the letters, and it is considered a beneficial cause which they will have no problem sending the first batch of letters out at there expense.

Thanks,

Jason

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Originally Posted by Peninsula Bear

We plan on the completion of the letter for the end of day. If anyone, and everyone you know, can sign on to our group, and the 2 main reasons we ask. #1. Is this way we don't have to jump forum to form with current events that everyone can view, and not one person is left out of our loop. #2. I will ask for everyones address once numbers are increased. We will personally send the letter out to each, and everyone so they can sign it, and forward it on to there local MP. I have approached the the board members of the Grey Bruce Night Hunters Club, in regards to the expense of sending the letters, and it is considered a beneficial cause which they will have no problem sending the first batch of letters out at there expense.

Thanks,

Jason

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I'd be glad to send the letter to my MP. The Garmin isn't essential for my setters but it sure is essential if you have a hound. I'll look for the letter. Thanks for your work and welcome to the forum. :)

Thanks Sharon, your support, and everyone else that has come forward is very much appreciated.

Just to let you guys( and the ladies ) know it's not the MP's the made the rules on which frequencies may or may not be used in Canada, that is set out by INDUSTRY CANADA( IC ). So write your MP's but remember they can only lobby on your behalf to Industry Canada.
There is a real mess in the 30Mhz to 10Ghz range right now because EVERYBODY wants a piece of it. It is not that IC enjoys not letting you use your collars, but that you as the owners of the collars are competing against players with very deep pockets and full time lobbyists on the payroll. If it comes down to letting GPS collars use a range of Frequencies for free or a someone paying millions for the rights. Well you can guess.

So write but remember they can ONLY LOBBY for you, they can not change anything in the house. The real power is at the INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMUNICATION UNION, which is a department of the UNITED NATIONS.

This is not discourage you from writing, in fact I encourage you to write, just don't blame the MP's if nothing changes over night.

Thanks for your input Snowwalker. yes we are aware of the obstacles you mentioned. Our main goal is to flood the Minister of Industrys office with individual letters (also sent to our MPs) expressing our opposision to the policy decision made by his office to continue banning the use of Garmin systems for tracking. If we have the numbers we will have his ear and take it from there.

I just singed up not sure what I can do but let me know

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Originally Posted by timberchuck

Thanks for your input Snowwalker. yes we are aware of the obstacles you mentioned. Our main goal is to flood the Minister of Industrys office with individual letters (also sent to our MPs) expressing our opposision to the policy decision made by his office to continue banning the use of Garmin systems for tracking. If we have the numbers we will have his ear and take it from there.

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Thanks, not to split hairs, but it's not so much the use of the collars, but the frequency.
Change the Frequency that the collar uses, or have License privileges to frequency they came with and they could be 100% legal.
For Example:
If I have a collar that comes from the Factory and uses a frequency that is between 144 to 148Mhz, 219 to 225Mhz, or 430 to 450Mhz I can legally use it as I am Licensed to use them. A person not licensed can not. I could also take a Collar and change it to use one of those Frequencies making it legal for me to use.

As you can guess there is very little room between 30Mhz and 10Ghz that is not taken. If fact Ham share some of their bands with other users like IFR tags and Transponder.

Im runnning 4.3 on my alpha and 2.5 on my tt10s and tt15s. I agree with making some noise with IC. I would consider Garmin to be 'deep pocketed". IC did not seem very informed by Canadian sportsmen when they made their decision in July. If garmin disabled tracking on these units in Canada they would be stupid, right now they are covering their butts legally and still taking our money. Get informed before flooding your MPs office with letters. In the meantime this summer its time for Garmin to introduce probably a new handheld to update or replace the alpha.

I asked for a licence to operate my 218 mhz Wildlife telemetry system and was denied. Bought it in Canada in 1995 or 1996. I also have the Industry Canada letter to Wildlife approving the sale of the units in Canada.

Appears all about squeeky wheels and grease. They track all the wild life in Ontario on the same MURS frequencies, they got licences to use them. Us, the houndsman are being stymied. Appears Industry Canada cannot adopt as fast as the world changes.

We have had the systems for 40 years, no known interference has been noted. IC has the tools to investigate if it did happen. Check out Beagles Canada and Mr. Peter Hill's response.

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Originally Posted by Sweetdaddy

I just singed up not sure what I can do but let me know

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Where did you sign up? I don't see any link to a FB page?

I sent a letter to my MP as well as Industry Canada a couple of months ago. It is embarrassing that it is illegal to use these tools. Rediculous. These guys at IC need to figure this out as it makes them (and Canada) look like idiots!

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Originally Posted by Stuart22

I asked for a licence to operate my 218 mhz Wildlife telemetry system and was denied. Bought it in Canada in 1995 or 1996. I also have the Industry Canada letter to Wildlife approving the sale of the units in Canada.
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It took Amateur Radio 30 years to get "five" frequencies in the 60 Meter band( 5Mhz ).
Want to know what trying to create a MURS band in Canada is like?
Take a large glass jar full of white marbles, then try to put one red marble in the center without moving the white ones.

Astro could produce a collar that use one of the frequencies they are already licensed to use in Canada, or get a set of frequencies higher in the band. Maybe in the 5Ghz to 10Ghz range. By the way the higher the frequency the more data it can carry on it's signal. So the collars would be better. ALSO every collar that people have can be converted with a few small changes to a couple componets.

go to www.beaglescanada.org and sign up, take a look in the forums, all kinds of very good info, plenty of work has already been done that you are likely unaware of

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

It took Amateur Radio 30 years to get "five" frequencies in the 60 Meter band( 5Mhz ).
Want to know what trying to create a MURS band in Canada is like?
Take a large glass jar full of white marbles, then try to put one red marble in the center without moving the white ones.

Astro could produce a collar that use one of the frequencies they are already licensed to use in Canada, or get a set of frequencies higher in the band. Maybe in the 5Ghz to 10Ghz range. By the way the higher the frequency the more data it can carry on it's signal. So the collars would be better. ALSO every collar that people have can be converted with a few small changes to a couple componets.

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Maybe but from my understanding of electromagnetics, would the higher frequency not reduce the range?

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

Maybe but from my understanding of electromagnetics, would the higher frequency not reduce the range?

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Part #1
Nasa uses Frequencies in the UHF( 400 Mhz ), and higher to talk to probes and landers in deep space.

All Frequencies above 50 Mhz are line of sight. That means a transmitter's antenna can not be seen by the receivers antenna you would not get signal. Line of sight simply means that it has to be a stright line between, because the ground wave does not follow the curve of the earth and the skywave is not reflected back to earth. Things like leaves and trees or ground absorb the signal as well, but as the frequency grts higher and higher, it has more energy. By having more energy it can pass through the trees and stuff a little better. It also means that it will start to bounce off water and hard things like rocks or even packed ground.
What the means that if your dog is in a valley so that the ground between you and him absorbs the collars signal, you may still get a signal from the far side of the valley when the signal bounce back.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

Maybe but from my understanding of electromagnetics, would the higher frequency not reduce the range?

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Part#2

When you are receiving a signal that has been bounced off the far side of the valley, the data with the GPS info is still there. Since the receiver shows the postion of the dog from the GPS info, you don't have line of sight to the collar. That being said, you are going to want to get line of sight because the signals you getting would give you a very accurate idea where the dog was...

What were we talking about...I think my brain is leaking.

The short answer..Yes the range would be a little shorter. Like 5 miles at 144 to 148 Mhz and 4.999999999999 miles at 419 to 450 Mhz for example. I don't think you would notice that fact if you and the dog are across the valley from each other. You got a signal, now you don't, now you do again...and so on.

Just enquiring on how the signatures have been coming along? If anyone needs copies mailed to them, please pm me with your address, and I will mail you the number you require of Government addressed envelopes. We are trying to keep this as effortless as possible for everyone. If you live within driving distance of Southampton Ontario, you are more than welcome to stop by 288 Railway Street to sign a copy, and we will forward it off at the local post office.


Thanks,


Jason