OPP union leaders stole and laundered funds, RCMP allege

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March 13th, 2015, 04:29 PM
impact

OPP union leaders stole and laundered funds, RCMP allege

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...lege-1.2994229

The RCMP is investigating allegations of fraud, breach of trust and money laundering by three senior managers of the Ontario Provincial Police union, search warrant documents show.
March 13th, 2015, 04:31 PM
Brampton Mike

Have charges been laid???
March 13th, 2015, 04:41 PM
Bushmoose

These guys are not leaders within the OPP. They are leaders within the union. Big difference.
March 13th, 2015, 04:46 PM
impact

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushmoose

These guys are not leaders within the OPP. They are leaders within the union. Big difference.

Did you even bother to read the article?

In addition to their management roles with the Ontario Provincial Police Association, or OPPA, all three are also OPP officers. Christie holds the rank of detective-sergeant while the other two men are constables

“THE PROMISE OF THE O.P.P.” (VALUES AND ETHICS) As an organization, the O.P.P. commits to working continually to earn the confidence of the citizens of and visitors to Ontario—a confidence that will not be taken for granted. The O.P.P. fulfills this commitment by providing the best and most professional service, possible, and by striving to build a culture of trust, and open and honest dialogue, with the communities it serves and among the people it employs. The organization commits to creating and sustaining a positive working environment in which all employees have equal opportunity to fulfill their potential within the profession.

As an O.P.P. employee and volunteer, I appreciate the vital role I play in protecting the fundamental rights of all people in Ontario. I therefore commit to always putting the interests of the public and the O.P.P.’s Vision and Mission before any personal and private interest. And I promise that I will always demonstrate pride in my profession and the O.P.P. through personal conduct that reflects my belief in the value of:Accountability Respectful Relationships Fairness, Courage and Caring Continuous Learning Diversity

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.o...of_the_OPP.pdf
March 13th, 2015, 06:04 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by impact

Did you even bother to read the article?

In addition to their management roles with the Ontario Provincial Police Association, or OPPA, all three are also OPP officers. Christie holds the rank of detective-sergeant while the other two men are constables

“THE PROMISE OF THE O.P.P.” (VALUES AND ETHICS) As an organization, the O.P.P. commits to working continually to earn the confidence of the citizens of and visitors to Ontario—a confidence that will not be taken for granted. The O.P.P. fulfills this commitment by providing the best and most professional service, possible, and by striving to build a culture of trust, and open and honest dialogue, with the communities it serves and among the people it employs. The organization commits to creating and sustaining a positive working environment in which all employees have equal opportunity to fulfill their potential within the profession.

As an O.P.P. employee and volunteer, I appreciate the vital role I play in protecting the fundamental rights of all people in Ontario. I therefore commit to always putting the interests of the public and the O.P.P.’s Vision and Mission before any personal and private interest. And I promise that I will always demonstrate pride in my profession and the O.P.P. through personal conduct that reflects my belief in the value of:Accountability Respectful Relationships Fairness, Courage and Caring Continuous Learning Diversity

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.o...of_the_OPP.pdf

That's all well and good,but,they are Association leaders,NOT OPP leaders. They do not,nor have they ever,spoken for the OPP nor do they have any authority or capacity as OPP command managers. Evidently,it was rank and file LEO's that laid the complaint with OPP upper command. The Commissioner's Office brought in the RCMP to do an "arms length" investigation....as they should have.
March 13th, 2015, 06:14 PM
terrym

Can you imagine the headlines if this OPP guy had been a Conservative candidate instead of a,Liberal one?
In the end these guys were likely profiting personally from Union dues. Let's see how this plays out.
March 13th, 2015, 07:10 PM
yellow dog

Very Interestinnnng?
March 13th, 2015, 10:50 PM
Bushmoose

[QUOTE=impact;883247]Did you even bother to read the article?

In addition to their management roles with the Ontario Provincial Police Association, or OPPA, all three are also OPP officers. Christie holds the rank of detective-sergeant while the other two men are constables

QUOTE]

Well, yes I did and my statement stands. They are a sergeant and a couple of constables with OPP credentials. They are not "OPP leaders" as your title suggests. The issue is not with the police service, it is with their actions within the union. Once again, your choice of title is misleading and IMO, unfair to the OPP service. Misleading and a bit exploiting? Something the Toronto Star may do.
March 14th, 2015, 06:30 AM
Brampton Mike

[QUOTE=Bushmoose;883308]

Quote:

Originally Posted by impact

Did you even bother to read the article?

In addition to their management roles with the Ontario Provincial Police Association, or OPPA, all three are also OPP officers. Christie holds the rank of detective-sergeant while the other two men are constables

QUOTE]

Well, yes I did and my statement stands. They are a sergeant and a couple of constables with OPP credentials. They are not "OPP leaders" as your title suggests. The issue is not with the police service, it is with their actions within the union. Once again, your choice of title is misleading and IMO, unfair to the OPP service. Misleading and a bit exploiting? Something the Toronto Star may do.

Well said Bushmoose and as far as i know no charges have been laid yet either...also the OP's title is cause for concern as it is misleading and false!
March 14th, 2015, 06:33 AM
impact

[QUOTE=Bushmoose;883308]

Quote:

Originally Posted by impact

Did you even bother to read the article?

In addition to their management roles with the Ontario Provincial Police Association, or OPPA, all three are also OPP officers. Christie holds the rank of detective-sergeant while the other two men are constables

QUOTE]

Well, yes I did and my statement stands. They are a sergeant and a couple of constables with OPP credentials. They are not "OPP leaders" as your title suggests. The issue is not with the police service, it is with their actions within the union. Once again, your choice of title is misleading and IMO, unfair to the OPP service. Misleading and a bit exploiting? Something the Toronto Star may do.

The title is a direct cut and paste from the news article. I am simply relaying the news story.

Cops regardless if they are a constable or commissioner are sworn to an oath. You may wish to down play it but as leaders of a union it reflects poorly on the organization and its rank and file members. These are the same people that lobby and influence the government in regards to laws in this province. The fact that they have been very cosy with the Liberals
does not help their cause either. Nice to see the bad apples removed from the bushel but how deep does the rot really go? The public has a right to know.

If you have followed the Charbonneau commission in Quebec you would know that corruption is present at the highest level of government. Well, now we know that Ontario is not exempt with all the scandals that have recently been made public in the media.
March 14th, 2015, 06:37 PM
rick_iles

Impact, your post said, " OPP Leaders...." This investigation has absolutely nothing to do with OPP leadership ! However, the revelation that Walsh was a Liberal candidate in the last election certainly explains the unprecidented anti conservative adds the OPPA ran. Sounds like a major conflict of interest there ! As posted earlier, none of this reflects on the OPP as an organization, and certainly not the rank and file. However, Bain, Christie and Walsh have some real 'splainin' to do, not only to the RCMP investigators, but to the OPP command as well as the OPPA membership....
March 15th, 2015, 08:23 AM
patvetzal

I started to read because it said OPP leaders. When I looked at the actual report I saw that it SHOULD HAVE SAID "union leaders" That's when I closed the article.....
March 15th, 2015, 09:39 AM
B Wilson

What positions or rank within the OPP are not members of the OPPA?
March 15th, 2015, 09:49 AM
rick_iles

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Wilson

What positions or rank within the OPP are not members of the OPPA?

Commissioned Officers are not members.
March 15th, 2015, 09:58 AM
rick_iles

[QUOTE=trimmer21;883590]

Quote:

Originally Posted by impact

Not to intend to be overly critical,but,your assertion that the actions of these three union hacks reflects on the traits and philosophies of all OPP officers is very seriously flawed. That's like saying all truck drivers are mafia members because they belong to the Teamsters Union. "Cut and paste" of a media story is also a mistake,given their penchant for sensationalist headlines and out-and-out bullshyte. The days of believing anything they print without further scrutiny are long gone.:rolleye:

The infuriating part is when people read this stuff and take it as "gospel" without reading the whole article or checking facts. Some people just can't think for themselves and believe everything that they read thinking "It's in the paper,so,it just has to be true." The scary thing is these people vote. :eek:

Trimmer....something is haywire with your first quote...Bushmoose definitely did not post that.
March 15th, 2015, 10:01 AM
trimmer21

[QUOTE=rick_iles;883593]

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

Trimmer....something is haywire with your first quote...Bushmoose definitely did not post that.

I see that. I don't know what happened. I'll delete the post and check back. Thanks.
March 15th, 2015, 10:27 AM
ninepointer

Big Union leaders skimming off the membership to line their own pockets? Who ever heard of such a thing?... :rolleyes:
March 15th, 2015, 10:36 AM
rick_iles

[QUOTE=trimmer21;883596]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_iles

I see that. I don't know what happened. I'll delete the post and check back. Thanks.

It looks like all the quotes are screwy !
March 15th, 2015, 10:48 AM
trimmer21

Something weird is definitely going on. Maybe,a software glich with the site?
March 15th, 2015, 10:50 AM
TroutSlayer

I replaced the posters title with a direct cut&paste from the title of the actual article.

I remind members of Rule 5 (which we all agreeed to when signing up here).

Rule 5. When posting articles or news stories only the URL to the article, the title of the article and the source will be accepted. Due to copyright laws we cannot copy and paste the actual content of the story into our forums.

Notice it says "The title of the article".
March 15th, 2015, 11:23 AM
ninepointer

Senior OPP union official fired in wake of RCMP investigation in Barrie:

http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/senior-opp-...rrie-1.2280628
March 15th, 2015, 07:13 PM
poltrojan

i'm not surprised. honestly, with current economic times money embezzlement isn't a surprise, really.
March 15th, 2015, 07:32 PM
impact

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroutSlayer

I replaced the posters title with a direct cut&paste from the title of the actual article.

I remind members of Rule 5 (which we all agreeed to when signing up here).

Rule 5. When posting articles or news stories only the URL to the article, the title of the article and the source will be accepted. Due to copyright laws we cannot copy and paste the actual content of the story into our forums.

Notice it says "The title of the article".

Looks like the CBC edited the title of their article from pressure applied after the fact. I truly did a cut and paste. Definitely not my title. Next time I post I will do a screen capture as proof. Lesson learned. Gotta love the internet!

And for all the internet cops here is the proof. Found right under the title!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...lege-1.2994229

Posted: Mar 13, 2015 5:08 PM ETLast Updated: Mar 13, 2015 6:28 PM ET
March 15th, 2015, 09:34 PM
B Wilson

I am truly surprized that anyone was fired especially without charges laid. The association has several members who are currently suspended with pay from their employer, why do they not do the same for the people the association employs?
March 15th, 2015, 10:14 PM
trimmer21

I was kind of wondering that,myself. It may very well turn out that they all get fired-from the association,for sure,but,Police Services Act charges of dicreditable conduct and breach of trust will likely be laid,also,by the OPP. These three are still LEO's. Even if they aren't charged criminally,with convictions on PSA charges,I think they're screwed,anyhow.
March 16th, 2015, 09:27 AM
JBen

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_iles

Impact, your post said, " OPP Leaders...." This investigation has absolutely nothing to do with OPP leadership ! However, the revelation that Walsh was a Liberal candidate in the last election certainly explains the unprecidented anti conservative adds the OPPA ran. Sounds like a major conflict of interest there ! As posted earlier, none of this reflects on the OPP as an organization, and certainly not the rank and file. However, Bain, Christie and Walsh have some real 'splainin' to do, not only to the RCMP investigators, but to the OPP command as well as the OPPA membership....

And oddly enough, Lougheed (Ms Wynnes kingmaker in Sudbury) was/is a member of the Police Services Board. Move along, no dots here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Wilson

I am truly surprized that anyone was fired especially without charges laid. The association has several members who are currently suspended with pay from their employer, why do they not do the same for the people the association employs?

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

I was kind of wondering that,myself. It may very well turn out that they all get fired-from the association,for sure,but,Police Services Act charges of dicreditable conduct and breach of trust will likely be laid,also,by the OPP. These three are still LEO's. Even if they aren't charged criminally,with convictions on PSA charges,I think they're screwed,anyhow.

Because and due to the importance of the "Public Trust"
http://www.bing.com/search?q=the%20i...48c772f0b437d1

It is the "be all and end all" and many people have been fired, let go, or they resign for merely the "suggestion" and or "appearance" of wrong doing. Sometimes merely calling the "integrity" and "honor" of an organization into question is "damning" enough.

Some fields, professions, positions....you have to be "above reproach, above "question".

The FACT they are under investion is casting an ugly shadow on the OPP, on LEO, (read these threads the past 18 month, read the news and the growing public doubt and mistrust of LEO) and is yet another dent in OUR trust, of them....Is all that's needed.

some get it, some don't.