Federal Budget

Well it was predictably funny to watch Mansbridge attack Oliver last night, then again I wouldn't call them friends....LoL! What was fun was watching the CBC "at issue" panel who are paid by taxpayers to poop on everything Harper have very little negative to say and grudgingly admit the budget was generally well received. I'm sure somebody will try and explain it to Trudough but that could be a waste of time and angry Tom....well he is always angry and knows he is getting kicked out of Stornoway this fall and must be house hunting and that's a frustrating thing, LoL.
I think this budget served it's purpose and will definitely hurt the opposition. The media will ignore it as fast as possible but it sets the tone nicely for the campaign.

I don't like the robbing of the contingency fund for them to be able to claim they balanced the budget... but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Oddmott

I don't like the robbing of the contingency fund for them to be able to claim they balanced the budget... but it is what it is.

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I agree. Let's not kid ourselves though, this is an election budget with all the BS tactics involved. All governments do it and the Cons are not any different. The other thing is these budget calculations are based on a assumed price of $55/barrel for oil. If the market tanks it will hurt but if it rises and let's not forget it traded at more than double that price recently then they come out looking like heroes. My bet is oil will eventually go up, it does seasonally every year anyway.
Harper has basically set it up that Trudough and Mulcair need to campaign against tax cuts to families and seniors and return to deficits. I think he played them very well. But then again he usually is 2 steps ahead of most people.

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I agree. Let's not kid ourselves though, this is an election budget with all the BS tactics involved. All governments do it and the Cons are not any different. The other thing is these budget calculations are based on a assumed price of $55/barrel for oil. If the market tanks it will hurt but if it rises and let's not forget it traded at more than double that price recently then they come out looking like heroes. My bet is oil will eventually go up, it does seasonally every year anyway.
Harper has basically set it up that Trudough and Mulcair need to campaign against tax cuts to families and seniors and return to deficits. I think he played them very well. But then again he usually is 2 steps ahead of most people.

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From my understanding as long as ISIL is a threat oil prices are going to remain low. I don't like them touching the contingency cash but all in all not an overly bad budget I think.

I see ISIL as more of money drain on us than affecting oil markets unless they overtake Saudi Arabia.

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I see ISIL as more of money drain on us than affecting oil markets unless they overtake Saudi Arabia.

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ISIL has control of the oil wells in Northern Iraq (300 I believe before we got involved) and it was estimated they were making $1 million/day.

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I see ISIL as more of money drain on us than affecting oil markets unless they overtake Saudi Arabia.

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Not sure how to qualify this one terry. When asked "How much do operations against ISIL cost?" there is never a complete answer because the question is not formed properly.
Here is how this goes. For any operation the military responds at the direction of Parliament. As operations commence there is always the question of how much will this cost. The real questions are: "What is the level of current DND funding that will be required to sustain this operation?" In other words, other budgets within the department will be re-allocated to sustain operations in theatre. If those funds are fully consumed then DND is compelled to go back thru the channels to request additional funding from the government.
Remember the including the salaries of the pilots, technicians and support personnel is not valid given that they will be paid irrespective of where they are on the planet.

Any reporter is therefore given a pretty wide variance on what can be attributed to spending on any particular operation. The real question is "How much additional money not already approved for military spending is required?"

The other part of the accounting nightmare is what happens when trading between coalition forces goes on. For example, Canada has an Air-to-Air refueling tanker in theatre. The tanker provides fuel to a British RAF aircraft. They Brits may get a bill for jet fuel or there may be an agreement on where there are offsets such as servicing, logistics support (we are feeding your soldiers from our kitchen) etc. So these transactions become difficult since the accounting can literally take a full year to sort out

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

ISIL has control of the oil wells in Northern Iraq (300 I believe before we got involved) and it was estimated they were making $1 million/day.

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My question is how does one arrive at a number of $1million/day? Who are they selling the oil to since they are effectively cut off from the markets?

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My question is how does one arrive at a number of $1million/day? Who are they selling the oil to since they are effectively cut off from the markets?

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Apparently corrupt Turkish dealers were the middle man.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=359

Given the current world economic climate and the provincial economies here in this country,I think it's the only logical conclusion the government could arrive at for the budget unless they wanted to do what JT and Angry Tom want them to do like raise all taxes through the roof,reduce all tax breaks to everybody and their uncle and drive the Canadian economy off the cliff. I have no problem using the contingency fund to balance the budget. That's what "contingency" funds are for....to keep from going broke when things get dicey,right? Too much hinges on a rock-solid economy,something which is a completely foreign concept to Liberals and NeeDeePers.

Funny that eh Trimmer, it would seem the left and media don't understand the word contingency and what they are used for or can be used for if nothing else needs them? Hmmm good god this is a hard one. It's time for me to do my monthly/yearly budget. So many expenses, so much revenue, hm maybe I should build in a buffer (just incase) I think, don't know, those are called contingency funds?

Year end, hmm no big emergencies, but am receiving less $$ than expected because revenue has dropped because oil has...I have lots in the "buffer", scuze me, sorry contingency fund or I might have to borrow in order to close the books on the year. Oh, wait a sec no I don't.

Wonders how many on the left understand how to run a basic lemon aide stand and what a budget is, or that we don't always have to borrow and go into debt.
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Thinking back a couple months when oil tanked and Harper announced they'd delay the budget a little. Some went ballistic accusing him of more evilness and cooking and this, that the other. Some others said "I don't know, mightn't it be prudent to delay a month-two" and see what happens with Oil? Does it stabilize in which case budgeting for next year is a wee bit easier, does it continue to tank, does it bounce back? More?

As usual, Mr Harper got it right and the left and those that called for the bogey man and sky to fall?

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As usual, Mr Harper got it right and the left and those that called for the bogey man and sky to fall?

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Remember, Harper is an economics guy. He isn't hampered with having been a lawyer

Or worse a green champion or double whammy a lawyer whose been bamboozled by the green wave.


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I still maintain, in time (maybe 20-30 years) it is quite possible Harper is going be referred as the best ever and Canadians will not only thank him, they will revere him.

He's not perfect, has his edges, some things the jury will be out on. But when we look back in 30 years at what has been going on here at home or Ontario or elsewhere in the world between 2005/2015 and counting….He has been remarkably astute, and more, especially on the things that matter (economics, fiscal stuff).

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Remember, Harper is an economics guy. He isn't hampered with having been a lawyer

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Or a flaky drama teacher .lol JBen your assessment of Harper is bang on.

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Or a flaky drama teacher .lol JBen your assessment of Harper is bang on.

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No fair... I wanted to use that comment.

The media (CBC especially) will want us to think there is a choice between Mulcair (with his $5,000,000,000 to $10,000,000,000 a year universal child care + ) and Trudope (budgets balance themselves...) (NOTE: both have promised CBC more money)and ignore the benefits of the Conservatives (who might reduce CBC funding). The balanced budget act and the municipality fund the Conservatives are setting some big landmines up for if they loose and items that fit in with their plan if they win. It would have been nice to see some of the debt reduced but balanced is still better than we will get from the Liberals or NDP and still good in the light of the oil drop.

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Well it was predictably funny to watch Mansbridge attack Oliver last night, then again I wouldn't call them friends....LoL! What was fun was watching the CBC "at issue" panel who are paid by taxpayers to poop on everything Harper have very little negative to say and grudgingly admit the budget was generally well received. I'm sure somebody will try and explain it to Trudough but that could be a waste of time and angry Tom....well he is always angry and knows he is getting kicked out of Stornoway this fall and must be house hunting and that's a frustrating thing, LoL.
I think this budget served it's purpose and will definitely hurt the opposition. The media will ignore it as fast as possible but it sets the tone nicely for the campaign.

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It was funny. Peter sure didn't get any answers to his questions. :)

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It was funny. Peter sure didn't get any answers to his questions. :)

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I love it when Mansbridge and the CBC lefties are left standing with their butts puckered when their interviews go south on them. He was screwed,he knew it and he couldn' recover. Priceless........just pricelss. LOL

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It was funny. Peter sure didn't get any answers to his questions. :)

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Because the questions were loaded and Oliver while he may not be a world renown public speaker like a 30yr news anchor is actually quite a bit brighter than Mansbridge. Oliver is a lawyer, Harvard MBA and career investment banker , i don't think he needed to be schooled on selling GM shares by an ex Walmart employee like Mansbridge. Watched the at issue panel they in fact did not follow Mansbridge's attempt to lead them down the sky is falling path and Harper is the devil. Of course Mansbridge is uber partisan that goes without saying but he looked foolish in that interview. You would expect that from someone like Wendy Mesley but Mansbridge should be above that. I guess not.

Remember, Harper was never actually a practicing economist either ...

The legislation about governments having to balance budgets is a bit rich given the Conservatives have never managed to do it before this election budget.

It's not Harper's political orientation I disagree with. I disagree with his gutting of our government scientific community with everything from polar research stations to the long form census. Governments need that information to make informed policy decisions. I also disagree with how he has sought to restrict information from reaching the public at every term, turned to gigantic omnibus bills to minimize debate/discussion on important issues, etc.

BC, he's not perfect and some things the jury will be out.
But the size and cost of govts is why…. so many things… pick a spot, any spot, any area to decide we don't need.. and people will find reasons and arguments against them. Try to save $ anywhere and people will find reasons/arguements. Some may even be good/acceptable, hard to argue against.

Everybody knows Ontario is in the crapper and "ruined" thanks to things. Most people know, the ones getting hit hardest are the middle class.

High schools teachers are going on strike in Durham now, Peel next.
I don't have any issues with them, none!!!. Not even in this.
People will always find reasons/arguements, maybe even good ones.

/looks at healthcare, looks at Drs desperately needed and nurses desperately needed and them walking now to.
/looks at Johhny Q getting kicked in the gonads with new taxes/fees/bills/can't save

/wonders when any govt will ever live within it means until people realize

We cannot afford to do everything, pay for everything. Live as we have been living..Our appetites to "have it all"…See the personal debt loads and personal wanting everything...Not unless we want to end up like Greece or Ontario. Even the US..cant.despite their massive debt. Their scientific community and funding of blows ours away... Look at their education system…or healthcare/social services.

Utopia does not and will never exist.

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Remember, Harper was never actually a practicing economist either ...

The legislation about governments having to balance budgets is a bit rich given the Conservatives have never managed to do it before this election budget.

It's not Harper's political orientation I disagree with. I disagree with his gutting of our government scientific community with everything from polar research stations to the long form census. Governments need that information to make informed policy decisions. I also disagree with how he has sought to restrict information from reaching the public at every term, turned to gigantic omnibus bills to minimize debate/discussion on important issues, etc.

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Well being an economist is better than a part time drama teacher with a famous name. Harper went from the mail room to being elected PM 3 times. I'm quite comfortable with the credentials of his Finance Minister. As for gutting the scientific community that sounds a tad self serving. What he did was stop funding many programs that had no benefit to Canadian society or were duplications. Being a "scientist" does not mean being entitled to automatic public financing without providing value for money or accountability. If there is value to research the private sector usually sees it and gets involved. Government is too big, this is not sustainable. Harper isn't perfect, nobody is but the alternatives are unacceptable.

If you think the long form census had no value, I don't know what to say. I'm not talking about frivolous modern act projects. Governments need to be monitoring things like demographics, climate change, etc. in order to actually do their job.

According to some statistics, Harper has increased Canada's debt by 24% on his watch, to an all time high of $600 billion. In addition, the federal civil service is larger than it has ever been by some numbers. Not exactly "tight spending" and "small government".

Harper has run his course. I don't like his version of Canada. If you do, great. Vote for him. I have voted for Conservative candidates before so I can't be painted as a "utopia seeking left wing liberal".

This debate is largely pointless. Canadian politics is beginning to resemble our southern neighbours more and more all the time - blinkered and dogmatic support for a political party. Our political system is broken and until proportional representation is introduced we will have virtual dictatorship majority governments for whom only a fraction of Canadians actually voted for or fractured minorities more interesting in positioning themselves for the next election than running the country.

Yeah you're right. Budgets just balance themselves. Why even worry?

Cant say I disagree with most of your post BC, mirrors many of my thoughts in ways
But why is that? (Rhetorical)
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So let me ask you this.
If not those cuts, where?
Healthcare?
Social programs, social services?
Military?
Veteran affairs?
Education?
Law enforcement? RCMP?
CPP?
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Nope none of those either right?
Next….nope
Next….nope
Next…nope
And if not "you" resisting or hating on him…for the last four (your ok with those cuts) .Plenty of others more than happy to step up for you because to them..

Ah what the hell, we'll just keep hammering Johnny Q and the peons paying for everything and let the budget take care of itself. And we will continue on the path we've been on since the 70s and some of your thoughts with respect to politics (see also how the Unions have and are adding to it, and the dogmatic politics south of the border).

The definition of insanity? Doing the same things and expecting…….

I get it, so if not those who what would you sacrifice? (Rhetorical)

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Or worse a green champion or double whammy a lawyer whose been bamboozled by the green wave.


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I still maintain, in time (maybe 20-30 years) it is quite possible Harper is going be referred as the best ever and Canadians will not only thank him, they will revere him.

He's not perfect, has his edges, some things the jury will be out on. But when we look back in 30 years at what has been going on here at home or Ontario or elsewhere in the world between 2005/2015 and counting….He has been remarkably astute, and more, especially on the things that matter (economics, fiscal stuff).

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Aww. Come on jben and all the rest of you, me, us dummies. Harper is a brain dead idiot, isn't he. He has to be. The l l l tell us over and over he is , so it has to be true. He brings in a balanced budget, tax cuts, income splitting, tfsa, all evil doings, hidden agenda. God forbid us working class retards ever to get ahead or put a few dollars in the bank for a rainy day. That's all wrong. Come on people smarten up , listen to Sousa, Wynne, Chiarelli, they know exactly how to extract every last dollar we don't have. They will make us rich with all their ingenious schemes. Lmfao. Imagine Sousa commenting on the Harpers budget??? Balanced budget - 12 billion deficit. Keeping money in pocket- Taking money from pocket. Could go on and on , but I am sure everyone knows where Iam going with this. Harper/ cons try to help most people/ bad bad bad. Wynne trying to sc..w us over good good good. That's the gospel ,Wynne , chapter 4, verse 3,, cbc. Chapter 6 , verse 2 to. Star chapter 1 , verse 2. Oh well , unfortunately we are stuck with Wynne bags and her henchman ,,,, God forbid we get saddled with dumbdeau.

Kills me sometimes Bushman. Well not that, but makes me wonder what some people are thinking/deem important at times. The concept that the better the economy is, the better off people are the more money they have to spend, the more money goes to govt, the better our social services, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Maybe we might even have $ for PS raises or to hire more in areas where they are clearly needed.

I have been reading various articles, opines, social media. All kinds of left leaning ( I am a centrist first, small c second) people, Liberals, NDPers, Centrist a little tired of some of Harpers edges or mistakes….

Belly ache about TFSAs, and how doubling it to $10,000 only benefits his buddies the rich.

Sometimes the simplest answers are the hardest to see. Maybe, just maybe if we didn't lose more to taxes all in, paying for everything/everyone, than we spend on housing/food/clothing and now with soaring hydro, land taxes, meat and produce, carbon taxes and soooooo much more.

The average working stiff might find $3,000 or $5,000 to put in a TFSA.

Forest for the trees.

The left doesn't want us to save, they want to spend our money that is very clear. Trudope has already said he would roll back tax cuts and then of course he would add the add more taxes, almost as many as Mulcair.

The line "benefit the rich" is just for the gullible left supporters, even if their income fits into the rich category they don't think of the rich as themselves but as "them". To me it more or less reads as the university educated and hard working people will benefit and we don't want that, they need to be dependent on the gov't not able to make their own decisions. Wynne using the Ontario Pension Plan is taking away peoples choice and making them save for retirement, rather than pay down debt., education, travel.... make them dependent on gov't to give back the money they took from them in the first place.

The TFSA increase is actually going to benefit alot of people but the left doesn't want you to know that too. Younger people saving for a house, retiring people putting excess money or lump sums away.
http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/tfsa/tfsa-waystouse.html
this was a neat one.
Maintain Eligibility for Government Programs
TFSA earnings and withdrawals are not included as income for tax purposes, so they don’t affect your eligibility for income-tested government benefits and tax credits like Old Age Security (OAS) or the Goods and Services Tax (GST) credit.


Harper is a far better choice than the alternatives if you work and earn money, want to decide how you spend your money and think people (including gov't) should be responsible for their spending. Those that hate the hard workers, dislike budgets and think debt is good will vote Liberal. Still waiting to hear what the Liberals call the middle class and the rich in a real number...Ontarios's average income is lessthan $50,000 and Ontario's Median for FAMILY income for example according to Statscan $74,890 so is.... 10% above that "rich" or 50% over the average individual income?? If so then most full "grade" teachers are rich even with just one income.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...il108a-eng.htm

http://www.workopolis.com/content/ad...ges-right-now/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6015968/
"Salary for a teacher with more than 10 years of service at the lowest and highest pay rates: $76,021, $94,707"

So when you hear Mulair and Trudope and CBC say "the rich" mentally translate it as the educated and hard working (except in Trudough's case where he is a trust funder) and remember their goal.... to make the rich poorer through taxes etc. and spend it on more funding for the CBC, PanAm games, windmills...

Canadians are a lot better off than we think,unless you listen to the doom and gloomers from the left where the sky is falling,all the time. I've always been a "glass half full" kind of guy. Considering the rest of the world's economies are almost completely in the tank and the G8 is "iffy" at the best of times after we had a world-wide economic meltdown,I think we're in reasonably decent shape with only needing a $12B impetus to keep us afloat. Conservative fiscal management has kept us out of the quagmire,for the most part. I shudder to think what Justin and Angry Tom would have done to "handle" the situation if they were in majority.

I've "debated" that for years Mosquito.

The well off-rich?

Well when the mean duo family income is $75,000. And you have single people earning that or more and who will also receive nice pensions griping (worth how much these days?) about "capitalism" or "the rich" or life is so hard or...By definition they are better off, way, way way better off than...

Yes yes I know 50% (Actually a lot less given its 2 people pulling in 75k), of the population are uneducated, lazy bums, unmotivated . We are worth that because we go to school....

Hate to break it to them, but if there any robber barons left, breaking the backs of the middle class its govt. And you can see it clearly in various trends.

Answers?
I don't know because as a society we are already taxed to the teeth and asking people to keep ponying up, when they already....

Guys, guys.....let it go. THE BUDGET WILL BALANCE ITSELF. We're good, it's all good. Honest.

Lol Terry :)

Don't worry, be happy :) We are the champions of the "middle class", those people who combined earn 75,000
Don't have Pensions (65%-70% of the population)
Don't have enough saved (statistics bear this out)
Cant save because 45% goes to taxes and 42% to housing/food/clothing nd this is getting much worse. If your "better" of its 50% (or more)

Funny Ms Wynne deems anyone who earns $150,000 as rich and is getting dinged more.
Who's better off
He who earns 150,000 with no pension
He who earns 100,000 with a golden hand shake?

Yup as Ms Wynne said "trust us with your money"

It is one of the most ironic and full of smoke and foul stuff things there is, and I can only laugh when they get righteous.

They are anything but, quite the opposite.

As I said though. Answers?
At least the cons are trying.

The left are like kids throwing tantrums, usually make about as much sense. They are dumping on Harper because the Global economy collapsed with a large part of the reason being American subprime paper, yup Harper's fault. They are dumping on him because during this meltdown we ran deficits ( as every other free world country did ) yet they tried to overthrow the government because they said we weren't spending "enough"? So if they were in power we would likely have double the debt accrued. Then they criticize Harper because the price of oil has tanked? Again , like Harper is responsible for the world price of crude? They criticize Harper for using oil which is the most in demand natural resource on the planet at this time as a key plank of his fiscal and economic strategy? Should we just not exploit our natural resources and hand over even more power to the middle East? To reduce our output will reduce world supply and raise prices globally and benefit Saudi Princes who finance world terror and Putin who is a grenade with a rusty pin. I have said it often but will repeat myself. There should be an exam before people get the right to vote. Clearly many don't have a clue about the repercussions of how they vote.

That much is politics Terry, that's their job.

What's telling though and worrying is left (and this includes left/far left populace) seems incapable of looking beyond today or some other things. Harper isn't perfect and there are some things the jury will be out on for some time. And he has his edges ( he can be abrasive). So what, aren't all great leaders that way?

No offense to ITD but I can still recall the days he would rip Harper because he wasn't "nice", wasn't a politician.
Well I wonder now that ISIS is on the stage and Putin…..If a wishy washy gutless spineless politician like JT is whats needed there.

If the shote hits the fan sometime in the next 3 years.
Anyone want JT at the helm or JT/Angry Tom?
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Looking at the economic/fiscal record of the past 8 years. Again not perfect, room for improvement but seriously when so many places everywhere….

Then we have Boomers. In the next 10yrs or so, they will be leaving the workforce en masses, creating all kinds of skill and work shortages in the workforce……and putting ridiculous strains on things.(See Ms Wynne's record on Healthcare)

Youth today?
There are job shortages these 8 years later (thanks Liberals), kids leaving Uni with debt up to their eyeballs and accepting whatever they can find with worthless pedigrees.
/good job Liberals

Yep, lets just hammer the middle class now more, don't worry, be happy
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Well, anything you may think you have gained in the Federal budget will be clawed back today by Wynne in hers no doubt. As long as those crooked buffoons run Ontario we are best to bury our money somewhere. She didn't wait until Harper's budget was out because they are really busy in Queen's park. They needed to know how much they could steal back.

I guess its inevitable comparisons are made and they are "fair" to an extent.

In different times, different climes I'm probably more L than R. I am a centrist. With respect to the coming election.

Just look at how unsteady the world is. This issue alone should make it real easy for voters to decide. If thats not enough take 10 minutes and look 5-10years down the road and whats coming…..and if thats not enough look at the middle class ad try to think about why its shrinking…..and if thats not enough….look at how Canada has fared compared versus so many the past 8 years….and if thats not enough...

A day will come imo when Canada might put Harpers face on the $100 bill and revere him.

Try to wrap your head around this. I know this is a provincial thing so let's not too much. Rather look at it only as being illustrative of the problems in a broad brush stroke kind of way…and this is just one wee part of the over all, bigger cost of Govt.

Not only are the "numbers" staggering, the desire to do more, be better despite ranking as among the worst in NA is nil, zero.Then again, when your not profit driven, when your not under any pressure to be good or even competitive….. They actually try to justify it
/boggle

Say boo about it, even hint at trying to change and you know what happens…the Unions get in the way, the left spin doctors and champions go "bat ship crazy" and scream armegeddon.Or your labelled a "hater".

We have basically two (without splitting hairs) ideologies.
1) Try to do something..Those evil sometimes/usually fiscally responsible Con parties
2) tax more, let the budget take care of itself Liberal dogma

this is insane, and its no wonder governments have and are so expensive and the middle class is getting hammered paying for it all
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...oyees-pensions

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Try to wrap your head around this. I know this is a provincial thing so let's not too much. Rather look at it only as being illustrative of the problems in a broad brush stroke kind of way…and this is just one wee part of the over all, bigger cost of Govt.

Not only are the "numbers" staggering, the desire to do more, be better despite ranking as among the worst in NA is nil, zero.Then again, when your not profit driven, when your not under any pressure to be good or even competitive….. They actually try to justify it
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Say boo about it, even hint at trying to change and you know what happens…the Unions get in the way, the left spin doctors and champions go "bat ship crazy" and scream armegeddon.Or your labelled a "hater".

We have basically two (without splitting hairs) ideologies.
1) Try to do something..Those evil sometimes/usually fiscally responsible Con parties
2) tax more, let the budget take care of itself Liberal dogma

this is insane, and its no wonder governments are so !@#$%^&* expensive and the middle class is getting hammered paying for it all
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...oyees-pensions

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"Hydro One employees only put up 28 per cent of their pension contribution."

http://www.cp24.com/news/more-than-1...list-1.2300014
"About 12,500 employees from OPG and Hydro One made the list, up nearly 1,000 over 2013,"


Almost as bad as what the MP's had until the Conservatives changed it recently.

The OLD way
"For every dollar that MPs or senators contribute to their pension, taxpayers pony up $23.30, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation "

Under the Conservative changes, retirement is no longer an option at 55 and is increased to 67 and the contributions changed,
"bringing parliamentarians’ contributions up to a 50-50 split between the government and the individual MP."