lyme disease vaccination worth it? Any cons?

To start off both dogs of my dogs are on k9 advantix ii. I do nightly tick checks but the problem is that they are both golden retrievers and they have a lot of hair- possibility I can miss a small one. I was wondering if it worth getting a vaccination for Lyme disease for both.

My younger one does a lot of swimming at least twice a week and I know k9 advantix is waterproof but near end of the month, I sure k9 advantix loses its effect. So I am debating to get the lyme disease vaccination.

Did anyone considered this?

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I considered it but learned it's very hit and miss in it's effectiveness. I opted for Bravecto (which I learned about here) which is administered via tablet and good for 3 months, so it's definitely water proof. :)

Got the same advice from my vet and on Bravecto too. The logic was that killing the ticks was the best defense to Lyme disease

most topicals are only effective against ticks for 3 weeks - RTFM.
I posted on Lyme vaccine before - search if interested.
Topical sprays work well in tick infested areas, which I don't think Pickering is...
The new collar, Soresto? gets excellent reviews (again as I posted already) :)

I guess if people didn't ask the same questions over and over, the board would be dead? ;)

I was told that many vets don't like to stock it as there is not sufficient demand and they either have to overcharge you or suck up the loss in expired vaccine themselves.
I'm not sure if it has something to do with effectiveness, but the $$$ rational sounds pretty convincing to me as we haven't been overly aware of Borreliosis around here and the average vet might not have had many owners asking for it in the past (which might change in the future)

I have discussed this with my Vet numerous times. He does not advocate the lymes shot. He has told me of the numerous times the results are questionable. In the south many of the retriever trainers are currently using the soresto collars and leave them on for all water work. No doubt the brevecto pill simplifies the process but is in the neighbourhood of $50 per pill for 3 months.

as said above but .. I keep a close eye for lyme disease symptoms in my dogs. Essential that the dog gets on antibiotics asap if symptoms are seen.
I've read that most? dogs test positive for lyme but don't get the disease.

symptoms associated with Lyme disease include:

• Stiff walk with an arched back.
• Sensitive to touch.
• Difficulty breathing.
• Fever, lack of appetite, and depression may accompany inflammation of the joints.
• Superficial lymph nodes close to the site of the infecting tick bite may be swollen.

http://www.2ndchance.info/lyme.htm

https://www.google.ca/search?sourcei...mptoms+in+dogs

I'd avoid the Soresto collars like a bad plague. The main active tick killing drug is imidacloprid - one of the most toxic of the neonics that are killing all of our pollinators. The chem is completely banned in Europe. Read the MSD on it and you will cringe - 1600 times more potent than DDT, severe endocrine disruptor, causes immune system collapse. Read some of the trials where people's dogs are having seizures after using the collars for a few months. There is enough of the neonic in your dog's urine from collar use to kill all the bees in your neighborhood! Make sure you do a thorough read-up before you put one on your beloved dog!

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Originally Posted by krakadawn

I have discussed this with my Vet numerous times. He does not advocate the lymes shot. He has told me of the numerous times the results are questionable.

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Same information from our vet and in trying to intelligently cut back on the "stuff" we are putting into our dogs, the Lyme vaccine was dropped for our guys.

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I'd avoid the Soresto collars like a bad plague. The main active tick killing drug is imidacloprid - one of the most toxic of the neonics that are killing all of our pollinators. The chem is completely banned in Europe. Read the MSD on it and you will cringe - 1600 times more potent than DDT, severe endocrine disruptor, causes immune system collapse. Read some of the trials where people's dogs are having seizures after using the collars for a few months. There is enough of the neonic in your dog's urine from collar use to kill all the bees in your neighborhood! Make sure you do a thorough read-up before you put one on your beloved dog!

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Of course even Advantix uses imidacloprid(8%) and permethrin (44%), so is toxic to all insects. We don't expect bees to be landing on the dog though.

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Imidacloprid binds strongly to insect nAChR causing intense activation of these receptors and resultant rigidity and paralysis of the insects (Thus killing it.)

Sad thing is that the bees don't need to go anywhere near the dog. The dog pisses on the ground and the imidacloprid is in your soil for the next 10 years (has a 3year half life). Uptake by vegetation makes it bioavailable to anything that lands on it. Something as simple as a bee landing on a blade of grass for it's morning drink of dew, and it's dead.

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Sad thing is that the bees don't need to go anywhere near the dog. The dog pisses on the ground and the imidacloprid is in your soil for the next 10 years (has a 3year half life). Uptake by vegetation makes it bioavailable to anything that lands on it. Something as simple as a bee landing on a blade of grass for it's morning drink of dew, and it's dead.

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Ahha. thanks. I didn't know that.

What is the solution? No pesticides doesn't seem possible.

I wonder if there's black-legged ticks on Mars. I guess all you can do is avoid the neonics and try to use the least damaging option. Permethrin-based class of chems may be a better option, at least for the environment. Pretty scary once you start reading about the effect of the neonics - looks like they are being labelled as potential cause for our bat extirpation with white-nosed syndrome (immune system failure), and a major cause of our passerine bird declines. Maybe better to stay off the computer, as you just get bummed-out.

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Sad thing is that the bees don't need to go anywhere near the dog. The dog pisses on the ground and the imidacloprid is in your soil for the next 10 years (has a 3year half life). Uptake by vegetation makes it bioavailable to anything that lands on it. Something as simple as a bee landing on a blade of grass for it's morning drink of dew, and it's dead.

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Not necessarily so pls. read this info. in the following link.http://personalcaretruth.com/2011/01...nd-absorption/

short quote from the first paragraph ;the suggestion that skin absorbs whatever is applied to it is an irresponsible exaggeration

and another;Not everything we touch or put on our skin is fully absorbed into our bodies. Otherwise, we’d quite literally be drinking our own bathwater (or swell up like sponges during a swim!) Wait, you say! Doesn’t some water get into our skin to cause it to wrinkle? Remember that dead skin cells fill the stratum corneum—these cells are Jiffy Popped as they soak up the water, which is what causes the “wrinkled” look.

Pls. read the whole article , very interesting.

I guess I will stick with advantix for this season.

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I guess I will stick with advantix for this season.

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Good decision bonecollector23. I like to wait for a few years before I decide to switch to these new products just in case of adverse reactions.

There were a couple of journal papers in the lunchroom at work that made for some somber reading, regarding neonic effects on bees. Studies where it was determined that morning dew on planted corn leaves contained lethal does of the chemical for bees. The corn (or soya) seed would have been neonic treated. Bees leave the hive in the morning and hit the corn leaves for their morning drink. Lethal required dose in PICOGRAMS (one trillionth of a gram). A dose that is less than the weight of a human DNA strand will kill them. No wonder we have no red-bummed bumbles left. Not much research so far (that I can see) on how this group of chems is affecting us. Kind of a catch 22. We're now reliant on them to boost crop yields. Get rid of them, and what will be the result?

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There were a couple of journal papers in the lunchroom at work that made for some somber reading, regarding neonic effects on bees. Studies where it was determined that morning dew on planted corn leaves contained lethal does of the chemical for bees. The corn (or soya) seed would have been neonic treated. Bees leave the hive in the morning and hit the corn leaves for their morning drink. Lethal required dose in PICOGRAMS (one trillionth of a gram). A dose that is less than the weight of a human DNA strand will kill them. No wonder we have no red-bummed bumbles left. Not much research so far (that I can see) on how this group of chems is affecting us. Kind of a catch 22. We're now reliant on them to boost crop yields. Get rid of them, and what will be the result?

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The result will be a healthier earth and food, this is diverting from the original post, however, the farmer next to us is getting around the $4:00 per bushel price for his neonics treated corn, whereas a farmer two concessions away is getting just over $ 12:00 for organically grown corn.
It just doesn't make sense to use all these harmful chemicals , and at the same time harming the atmosphere and get less for all your efforts.
The only ones in this case that are making money are the large chemical companies ; Bayer and Shell and Monsanto corp.

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Originally Posted by Fenelon

I'd avoid the Soresto collars like a bad plague. The main active tick killing drug is imidacloprid - one of the most toxic of the neonics that are killing all of our pollinators. [SNIPPED]

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Just to clarify, the imidacloprid is for fleas, the flumethrin is the acaricide.