lyme disease vaccination worth it? Any cons?

[Fenelon]

Sad thing is that the bees don't need to go anywhere near the dog. The dog pisses on the ground and the imidacloprid is in your soil for the next 10 years (has a 3year half life). Uptake by vegetation makes it bioavailable to anything that lands on it. Something as simple as a bee landing on a blade of grass for it's morning drink of dew, and it's dead.

[Sharon]

Sad thing is that the bees don't need to go anywhere near the dog. The dog pisses on the ground and the imidacloprid is in your soil for the next 10 years (has a 3year half life). Uptake by vegetation makes it bioavailable to anything that lands on it. Something as simple as a bee landing on a blade of grass for it's morning drink of dew, and it's dead.

Ahha. thanks. I didn't know that.

What is the solution? No pesticides doesn't seem possible.

[Fenelon]

I wonder if there's black-legged ticks on Mars. I guess all you can do is avoid the neonics and try to use the least damaging option. Permethrin-based class of chems may be a better option, at least for the environment. Pretty scary once you start reading about the effect of the neonics - looks like they are being labelled as potential cause for our bat extirpation with white-nosed syndrome (immune system failure), and a major cause of our passerine bird declines. Maybe better to stay off the computer, as you just get bummed-out.

[jaycee]

Sad thing is that the bees don't need to go anywhere near the dog. The dog pisses on the ground and the imidacloprid is in your soil for the next 10 years (has a 3year half life). Uptake by vegetation makes it bioavailable to anything that lands on it. Something as simple as a bee landing on a blade of grass for it's morning drink of dew, and it's dead.

Not necessarily so pls. read this info. in the following link.http://personalcaretruth.com/2011/01...nd-absorption/

short quote from the first paragraph ;the suggestion that skin absorbs whatever is applied to it is an irresponsible exaggeration

and another;Not everything we touch or put on our skin is fully absorbed into our bodies. Otherwise, we’d quite literally be drinking our own bathwater (or swell up like sponges during a swim!) Wait, you say! Doesn’t some water get into our skin to cause it to wrinkle? Remember that dead skin cells fill the stratum corneum—these cells are Jiffy Popped as they soak up the water, which is what causes the “wrinkled” look.

Pls. read the whole article , very interesting.

[bonecollector23]

I guess I will stick with advantix for this season.

[yellow dog]

I guess I will stick with advantix for this season.

Good decision bonecollector23. I like to wait for a few years before I decide to switch to these new products just in case of adverse reactions.

[Fenelon]

There were a couple of journal papers in the lunchroom at work that made for some somber reading, regarding neonic effects on bees. Studies where it was determined that morning dew on planted corn leaves contained lethal does of the chemical for bees. The corn (or soya) seed would have been neonic treated. Bees leave the hive in the morning and hit the corn leaves for their morning drink. Lethal required dose in PICOGRAMS (one trillionth of a gram). A dose that is less than the weight of a human DNA strand will kill them. No wonder we have no red-bummed bumbles left. Not much research so far (that I can see) on how this group of chems is affecting us. Kind of a catch 22. We're now reliant on them to boost crop yields. Get rid of them, and what will be the result?

[jaycee]

There were a couple of journal papers in the lunchroom at work that made for some somber reading, regarding neonic effects on bees. Studies where it was determined that morning dew on planted corn leaves contained lethal does of the chemical for bees. The corn (or soya) seed would have been neonic treated. Bees leave the hive in the morning and hit the corn leaves for their morning drink. Lethal required dose in PICOGRAMS (one trillionth of a gram). A dose that is less than the weight of a human DNA strand will kill them. No wonder we have no red-bummed bumbles left. Not much research so far (that I can see) on how this group of chems is affecting us. Kind of a catch 22. We're now reliant on them to boost crop yields. Get rid of them, and what will be the result?

The result will be a healthier earth and food, this is diverting from the original post, however, the farmer next to us is getting around the $4:00 per bushel price for his neonics treated corn, whereas a farmer two concessions away is getting just over $ 12:00 for organically grown corn.
It just doesn't make sense to use all these harmful chemicals , and at the same time harming the atmosphere and get less for all your efforts.
The only ones in this case that are making money are the large chemical companies ; Bayer and Shell and Monsanto corp.

[mooboy76]

I'd avoid the Soresto collars like a bad plague. The main active tick killing drug is imidacloprid - one of the most toxic of the neonics that are killing all of our pollinators. [SNIPPED]

Just to clarify, the imidacloprid is for fleas, the flumethrin is the acaricide.