Everyone needs to check this out. If passed, it could easily happen in your area.
https://www.facebook.com/quintewestf...sbilaw?fref=nf
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Everyone needs to check this out. If passed, it could easily happen in your area.
https://www.facebook.com/quintewestf...sbilaw?fref=nf
Easily the most important post I have seen on these boards for a while. Get in there folks because they are coming for you next.
If this is in response to this article I don't see the panic that 'sky is falling'
http://www.intelligencer.ca/2015/06/...ing-considered
Almost every township in Ontario has a firearm discharge law now and lots still have a no discharge on Sunday rule. Nothing new .
Actually it would be new. And a whole lot of safe hunting opportunities would be lost. It is not about safety, it is about noise. This would be a big step backwards for hunters. Maybe your ignorance doesn't allow you to see it.
It was about noise here too and we sent them packing. For now.
And if it is about noise on the surface you can expect the anti hunting anti gun trash to be tooting in behind.
This is why I hate urban sprawl. It's probably the single biggest threat to hunting & sports shooting.
Forget dedicated antihunters. The biggest enemy is suburban homeowners.
As long as the Ontario Municipal Board is in the pocket of the big development corporations,urban sprawl will continue unabated. That's where the issues lay,not with indivdual suburban home owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Sure, but it isn't developers who complain to council that they need discharge by-laws to preserve their Sunday morning peace.
A firearm discharge law will restrict the use of firearms in and around the new subdivisions and town limits...that's not a bad thing...that is a safety issue. Urban growth/sprawl means more restrictions. No one wants some kid with a crossbow shooting at targets in his back yard 50' from their back deck or a bunch of kids shooting there pellet guns near the school/playground or buddy shooting squirrels out of the tree across the street from their house. Due to the lack of common sense, by-laws are needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
That's why almost every community has a Firearm Discharge regulation and Quinty West is right to be looking to have one developed in consultation with the MNR and OPP.
Now if the proposed discharge by-law also includes the implementation of a 'Lord Days' clause (no noise on Sunday) in responce to the demand by the residents, which by the way is their right via a petition etc, that can be fought with a good campaign put together with the help of the OFAH.
https://www.ofah.org/programs/sunday-gun-hunting/
Welsh is right "the biggest enemy is Urban Sprawl" because it comes with the need to make it safer for the all residents.
It's rather selfish to condemn the process because it means you may lose a few 'hunting opportunities" because they are deemed to be to close to the population...the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or something like that :)
http://www.napaneeguide.com/2013/06/...in-town-limits
Our local Rod and Gun club got involved and there was broad based rejection of any restriction on the discharge of firearms.
If these whiners had gotten what they wanted it would have made me a bow only hunter and may have ended my trap shooting on my property.
We let the council know just how idiotic and unworkable their proposed bylaw was. Sometimes not too subtlety.
Nothing changed outside of the town proper and it will be more than a few years before they try again.
If you don't fight you deserve what you get.
It actually doesn't sound like, reading your link, that public input had little to do preventing the council from implementing the by-law, it sounds like it was sent back for rewrite to become more simplistic so they can better implemented and enforced it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
This comment actually touches on something workable for these large amalgamated townships. Instead of an all encompassing restrictive by-law, let the criminal code handle it as a case by case basis.Quote:
Councillor Mike Schenk said, “The OPP has said that since there is no bylaw in place for the whole Township of Richmond, and even though you are in a built-up area, it is hard to press charges.”
Napanee staff presented a first draft of the bylaw, which had some exceptions and restrictions. They were told by the Police Services Board to bring back something more simplistic. Police said a bylaw with specific areas and restrictions would be almost impossible to enforce.
Back when the City of Ottawa amalgamated, it stretched it's city limits all the way down to the Rideau River to the south encompassing a huge area of farm land etc. The resulting Firearm dis-charge by-law (see link) is a convoluted mess of charts and maps with shaded areas etc.Quote:
Chief Administrative Officer, Ray Callery, answered saying, “Careless use (of a firearm) is a criminal code offense … The difficulty is many complaints are noise-based complaints…which makes it very difficult for the police to enforce.”
http://ottawa.ca/en/residents/laws-l...aw-no-2002-344
I guess if you can't read it in the newspaper it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
And what they came back with was going to apply to the whole municipality.
And they got shut down.
I doubt the hunters/shooters in Quinte West area are bend over types either. Other places get what they deserve.
So your saying that they already had a second vote on the discharge by-law for Napanee since the link you provided ??.....it sounded like they were going to wait til a townhall meeting in Jun before a new draft was to be put forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
It doesn't sound like it's been cancelled at all, it sounds like Greater Napanee will put forward a discharge bylaw for the township once they have received more consultation.Quote:
Several residents sent in comments on the bylaw, while others came to listen to council’s discussion. Council decided upon a public meeting in June, that date to be decided at the May 26 Council meeting. Council will welcome residents’ written comments.
Your not out of the woods yet...so to speak :)
All over on the 8th of October 2013 MP. I wish there was more on the internet about the full house town hall meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
All they did was make it illegal to discharge in the area served by water and sewer.
Here's a pdf of the bylaw.
https://greaternapanee.civicweb.net/...D758DC239EE7EB
Well that's embarrassing, I never noticed the date of the article in your link...:ashamed:. I was still thinking of the article posted by Brent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
So they relied on the criminal code to cover the case by case "careless use of a firearm"..best way to handle these large amalgamated townships.
Sorry for the confusion...
No prob, I am glad you made me read the bylaw, note that you can't even use a bow in the area affected. Nothing to do with noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
When they amalgamated several small municipalities into the City of Greater Sudbury, there was a patchwork of firearms by laws. They formed a committee that included a few shooters and came to the conclusion that there were enough federal and provincial laws regarding safe discharge that they repealed all the existing by laws.
Exactly, get involved and speak up !Quote:
Originally Posted by 35wailin
Does the OFAH have a formal means of making sure resolutions like Sudbury are made known to areas like QW that are being threatened with more redundant laws? Will the OFAH be involved with the QW situation?
The OFAH has submitted a letter to the mayor and members of council in Quinte-West, requesting to be involved in the process. This thread is not monitored by OFAH staff, but if you have any questions, please contact OFAH Zone/Member and Club Services Liaison Brian McRae at [email protected]
Attachment 29976
Great to hear...better to do it right before it gets approved/implemented than trying to change their minds later.
The same thing happened,thankfully,in The Municipality of Clarington after it was amalgamted by combining Darlington and Clark Townships. Our by-law relies heavily on provincial FWCA and Federal Firearms and Criminal Code regulations. It was good to see that Councillors of the time had the foresight to realize an extra layer of municipal by-laws would be instantly redundant. It's unfortunate other regional municipalities weren't that astute.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35wailin
Any bylaw with regards to hunting/shooting was shot down before it even got going, at council meeting last night.
This is huge and should be noted by others who may come up against similar.
A little more to the story....
Quote:
Deputy Mayor Jim Alyea said there was no need for residents to be up in arms, noting all it took for the controversy to surface was a complaint from one individual.
“At no time did we say we wanted to stop hunting in rural areas. I’ve received phone calls and e-mails. There was no intent by the committee to impose any kind of a hunting ban,” said Alyea, also a member of the finance committee.
Committee chair Karen Sharpe was also on the defensive.
“I’m not an anti-hunting or anti-gun person, but I do think it was appropriate to review (the issue of firearms discharge in built up areas). I appreciate the consultation,” said the rural Sidney ward councillor.
Even urban Trenton Coun. Sally Freeman proclaimed her pro hunting status.
“I’m not against hunting. There was never any intention to ban anything, the only intention was to clarify where the discharge of firearms is appropriate,” said Freeman.
read more: http://www.intelligencer.ca/2015/06/...ylaw-shot-downQuote:
“A discharge bylaw is an unnecessary step. There are already provincial laws in place that everyone has to abide by. Hunting deer with a rifle, shotgun or back powder firearm is already prohibited south of the 401. It’s already seen as a risk. You can only use a bow,” said Harvey.
Nothing new with this bylaw concept.
The Town of Ft. Erie has had a firearms bylaw that came out over 20 years ago .. No discharge of a firearm withing 300 metres of ANY building.
And what brought this bylaw into existance .... two "BUBBAS" sitting on a farmers back deck in his lawn chairs at 6:00 am shooting deer in his back yard (without his permission).
Those 2 idiots caused almost 90% of the area in that municipality to be effectively closed for hunting.
There is no reason for a bylaw for anything other than noise. Safety is covered by the FWCA and the CC.