To see this happening with Canada in the Rough is very concerning.
http://www.ammoland.com/2015/07/cana...#axzz3f1L4ditR
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To see this happening with Canada in the Rough is very concerning.
http://www.ammoland.com/2015/07/cana...#axzz3f1L4ditR
It's not going to be a big problem in the near future when the TV networks find they have lost 1/2 there viewership to Internet based providers like Netfix. I was reading on the weekend almost 20% in Canada have already cut the wire to the cable companies. CRTC will become totally irrelevant as people will stream what ever they want to watch.
Actually a show like this does much better as an YouTube Channel, they can drop some of their advertising needs ( my pet peeve about the show) and put more hunting content in it. I already watch most of my hunting and shooting entertainment on Youtube. Much better.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClR...VVBNSnNAYaDeKA
The article has a misleading title. The show is not banned on Canadian TV. Networks just don't want to air it. That is not the same thing at all. That's like saying guns are banned in Canada because Home Hardware doesn't sell them any more.
Very true point there, almost all of my hunting content comes from watching it on the internet which is accessible 24/7. It's sad to think that no network will pick them up since the show has been around for years but putting it on the web will probably boost ratings and increase the popularity of the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
That's some crazy stuff....
I sent a little letter to the links provided.
Thanks for posting
They will not be dropping any advertising, that is the only revenue stream for these shows. You do not see a lot of these show on major networks due to the price to air it, they only way the producer of the show can generate revenue is through advertising and showcasing products.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Lets be honest if there was demand for the show from the public Global would not be doing this however the almighty dollar wins again.
Very sad indeed but as Charlie pointed out it has not been banned per say but the fact no Canadian networks will air the show it may as well be. Anyway I hope the boys are not discouraged and continue to produce a quality show.
There is a lot less cost to produce and put a show on YouTube....they won't need as much revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
edit add; If you look at the link I provided, you see that they still do their 'commercials' and just post them as stand alone revenue generators.
Love the show,I was disappointed when sun TV stopped airing, lost all my pvr recordings of it.
i hope the Beasley brothers well.
can still watch them on you tube and facebook
Besides the fact that the owners of Global TV are huge financial supoorters of The Liberal Party of Canada,I'm not sure that fact has anything to do with a network not willing to air CITR episodes. With all things in media,it revolves around advertising dollars and CITR just simply doesn't have the mass appeal from outdoor products that ordinary household products do to generate mega-bucks. That's where the money is and that's where the networks concentrate their efforts. Don't forget that Global and CTV are stand-alone networks not sucking from the public trough like the CBC. Like any other business,if you don't have a money generator,you're outta here.
Correct, however sponsors will not pay out like they did before now that they are not on network TVQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I don't think they are going to turn revenue away, just put more in there pocket.
Here is the reply I received from Global.....
Hi Frank,
Thank you for contacting Global Entertainment on July 13 and for taking the time to share your concerns regarding the changes to the weekend morning programming blocks, including Canada in the Rough on Global.
We are continually evaluating and adjusting our programming schedule in order to evolve with our viewers and build audiences. Our goal is to bring as many people to Global as possible in the morning, and keep them tuning in throughout the day. After careful consideration we have removed a number of various paid programs from our daytime schedule in order to broaden the appeal of our daytime programming. The programs spanned a number of genres including some hunting-related shows.
Once again, thank you for your email.
Regards,
Global Entertainment
Viewer Relations
www.globaltv.com
They had to make room for jimmy swaggart. Thats my take away. Lol.
LOL. Is he still alive I thought he was dead by now.
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Originally Posted by flowerjohn
Did this not happen last year. I think the only network they were on was wildtv and oln. This will
also impact the canadian tradition. One of the best deer hunting shows is on youtube and is growing deer tv.. Youtube and the internet is the future of fishing and hunting content.
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
I just looked it up. Praise godd. That boy is still alive!!!!!
I really enjoyed watching the show. If the ratings were generating meaningful advertising cash flow it would still be on the air. The bottom line, shamwow informercials make more for the network...
The other shows are still there, canadian or americans(cogeco subscriber here), they are using guns too in their shows, so in plain language what I am missing?they grow to big or too fast?
I can't stand that boat tv show they replaced citr with.
I know that as of Saturday morning, OLN is still airing it. Hopefully they don't drop it too.
The CRTC also reduced the amount of Canadian content the stations were required to air. This will allow more USA based shows to be aired in Canada. It is too bad as it was a favourite.
Dick
THEY WERE NOT BANNED!!!!!!!!!! You might do a bit more research before you post a misleading statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by GrouseGuy
This absolutely infuriates me to the point where I'm just going to cancel all cable services and go straight net flicks/apple TV. Saturday morning fishing and hunting shows were a staple in my house and Canada in the Rough was a part of that....very, very sad.
It shows that a couple fat Arsed network/CRTC execs with a liberal/PETA agenda can make these decisions based on their own biases.... The only thing we can do is name these imbeciles and email blast and call call over again until they either get fired or make changes, we of course PAY their salaries!!!!
This is gods country, grown on a TRADITION of fishing, hunting, and trapping, and I'll be damned if I let some hidden agenda morons dictate what I pay to watch. This is in all our hands...
There is no hidden agenda, the networks give the customers what they want and there just is not the demand. There are others that will pay bigger bucks to have there show put in that time slot and the ratings reflect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie Hastings
The fact is you don't pay to watch that, those folks that produce those shows pay the network for that time slot and to put it on the air. You pay for the service to deliver it to your home.
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Originally Posted by Richie Hastings
I do not agree with what you have written.There are a whole host of outdoor activities not covered on the networks because there is no great demand.Maybe you need to get up out of the chesterfield from watching these shows and actually go out and hunt and fish.
Well I'm a working man like a lot of people on here, and some weekends aren't available to do anything but hang around with the fam. Listen, I pay for what I watch, people have that choice now dont you know???
So fishing and hunting is a multi-billion dollar industry in Canada with almost zero representation on cable networks, and I'm being told there is no interest in a show that airs one a week? Well perhaps I'm in the minority here but these people in the media are the ones that have the power to sway peoples conceptions in one way or another, simple as that. Perhaps yoi can let them walk all over you, but I'll be six feet under before I allow this to happen to me.
Now go start a fight against pit-bull laws or something.
No TV for 4 years now and we are doing just great. Kodi and You tube, that's all you need....Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie Hastings
Why would a network put a show on the air that no one is watching ???
One last time "the folks that produce these shows have to pay for the air time" It's not provided to them.... the guys then producing the show generate revenue from sponsors and sell air time to showcase there products or feature spots in the episodes.
It's a business Richie... now go put your foil hat back on.
CRTC isn't involved here. It's a network decision to go for broader audience appeal. That's just the market at work.
In a round about way they are....the CRTC policy/rules to air Canadian content gave shows like CITR an opportunity to be on the air in the first place. Networks were, in simpler terms, forced to fill air time with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Now that the CRTC has dropped (according to the OP post) that restriction, the networks can fill their air time with a broader selection that obviously doesn't include our folksy hunting shows.
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The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) dropped the Canadian content requirement for television stations to operate in Canada, further hurting their chances. In March of 2015, the CRTC announced it had dropped the Canadian content requirement for non-prime-time hours from 55 percent to zero. That’s right: ZERO.
True, as far as that goes ... but removing CanCon requirements is simply letting the market work.
I cannot remember the last time that I watched a hunting show that had more than 5 minutes of actual hunting in the 30 minute time slot. They have to sell products, I get that, but that is why I got rid of Wild TV and no longer bother to watch any hunting or fishing shows. If I want to watch a hunting show I go online and watch Meat Eater, they will not even play that one in Canada and it actually shows the animals in use and he will shoot something that does not have massive antlers.
Sorry, it sucks that some shows are not being renewed but Angler and Hunter and Canada in the Rough spent just as much time telling you what shells to use and showing pictures of them loading their guns with them as sitting in the blind or pulling the trigger.
Real life hunting, that would be great to watch. Guys that smoke on the stand, that wear regular hunting clothes, have a few after the kill, show the tracking and retrieving of the game, the missed and teasing and the BS at the camp...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
God I miss Red Fisher.
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Originally Posted by seabast
http://themeateater.com/
They actually have a few episodes where they hunt with a group. In the deer hunting group you have to wear a sombrero if you shoot a buck that does not meet the management requirements, ha ha.
I'll check it out tonight, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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Originally Posted by seabast
Yup I just got rid of my Shaw Satellite TV and purchased a Fire stick(KODI) and watch all the programming I am interested in and no commercials ! I do not miss Canada in the Rough, Angler TV or Canadian Tradition. Why would I want to watch someone else's adventures when I can have my own minus all the commercials . Never really learned anything from them anyway especially Angler TV and all the bragging they do.
That there is the future of the entertainment business...podcast/streaming from the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Same here, lot more to learn from books (not magazine) and forum like this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
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Originally Posted by seabast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb9yhhflmvY
The Devil made me do it LOL
RED FISHER! That son of a gun! I watched an episode where he gave a glimpse of next weeks show. He was goin on a bear hunt HOLY CWAP! I waited eagerly all week for Saturday morning to come. I tuned in and for 29 minutes he showed the set-up, the baiting, the tracks, the scat, the blind, etc etc. then he reads a poem and says like all real hunts - sometimes you don't even see a thing. and that's how this 1/2 hr show went. a bear hunt without even seeing a bear - I was not happy! Red Fisher that sonof a gun!Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerjohn
is it still on wild tv
I love a show where they openly fish for a jug of whiskey. You couldn't do that these days.
Are you kidding me! I've been looking around for anything video on the Internet and I mean nothing!!! Thanks for the heads up!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by warningshot
lol. look on this site. no products just real live action.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerjohn
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Yep that would be the majority of people on here!
Watched an episode this morning and it's was a pretty good show, no ads and some good comments like "Looks like a Home depot for hobos"!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Watch the bear hunting in Alaska. He makes a point of not shooting due to the time and that he would not be able to get there before dark. He also shows how to use all parts of the animal, how to render down the fat, what cuts make the best hams.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
I really like how it is not about the antlers or the products, it is about the process and the experience.
You will notice that he never once mentions a sponsor.
A-h-h-h,the good ol' days when outdoor programming told it like it was. Of course,we'll never see the likes of this again on any network.Can you imagine the cost of one of these style shows in this economic climate and mindset of profit driven network big business?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I don't watch hunting shows anymore. I watch the odd shooting show to see some new stuff showcased but one get's tired pretty quickly of watching someone driven out to a blind over a baited field and see them pick out the largest deer and shoot it with a TC blackpowder gun. I don't think they actually help hunting or the public's perception of hunting. I hope the upcoming generation isn't brainwashed into thinking shooting a forkhorn buck is a sin and sign of poor sportsmanship. I don't need some makeup wearing overpaid starlet teaching young hunters that shooting young deer is wrong. So yeah, the old Red Fisher shows were actually closer to what hunting means to most people.
Yea, back in the day a true hunter / outdoorsman would have never sold/used his name to sell a bunch of useless crap for a sponsor. But then they usually they weren't doing it to make money. It was more about the passion and passing on the skills.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
The lack of realism or is why I quit watching most shows. What you said about "hoping the upcoming generation isn't brainwashed" isn't far from the truth. You see it here every year. Somebody goes out deer hunting for one evening and puts up a post about being "skunked" because he didn't shoot or see anything. These shows tend to breed unrealistic expectations in new hunters.
Yep, a good one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sTUGtSxbPo
Interesting that as good as these are, how few 'viewed' they have.....mind you, it looks like they have only been uploaded this past May, so maybe just needs some awareness that they are available.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Have to look at some of the older videos available online and see how 'viewed' they are. Maybe the networks/sponsors are right, they just don't get the viewers.
I still really enjoy hunting shows on TV. There's a lot of weekends out of the year that I can't be hunting and watching some of those shows is great. I also find that kids know so much more than I ever did growing up and it's because of what they see on the hunting shows. So to me, losing hunting shows would be a tragedy. But, looking at the Canada in the Rough facebook page, there was a post made on July 5th listing all of the networks they air on and there were lots. So I'm not sure what the author of that article is saying...they sure don't seem to be banned. https://www.facebook.com/CanadaInTheRough
I learned hunting techniques from trappers, family ,friends, books and not any of these TV programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Barton
Couldn't agree more and that is as it should be. I would rather have fewer of the current tv outdoor shows if they are going to impart to our youth the behaviours and values that are demonstrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Gun handling and gun safety exhibited by the hoodies crew is deplorable.....so is their total lack of safety with their dogs. Dogs in motion in decoys while birds being shot is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps they should sign up for some dog training skills......better yet, hunt with some folks that do.
Some people want to blaim anything and everything they do not like on Liberals. They seem to feel that people who voted Liberal are not also hunters and fishermen who read OOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Barton
I don't blame this on the Liberals....just not enough viewers interested in this programming.
I use to go to the same barber as Red Fisher just outside of Chatham Ontario. Very nice man.Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
Read many previous posts I am not saying you believe that, it just seems on this site... Everything bad in people's lives is because of the Liberals.s See post # 10!
I'm gonna miss that show!
Are you going to argue that the Left hasn't dramatically decreased the rights of gun owners in Canada? You wont win that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
We were talking about controlling what private TV stations put on the air!
In my circle of friends and co workers as well just saying the word Liberal angers most. So you won't get any Liberal support on this forum or very few for good reason and don't expect that to change. No party is perfect but I cannot ever remember a time it being so bad with all the billions wasted by the Liberals. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I sure can. How about the Peterson Liberals? In all fairness,they inherited a financial catastrophe created by the Rae NDP,but,they did nothing to help the situation until the last six months of their mandate. By then it was too late. The Harris PC's ate them alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Maybe not everything in my life but certainly everything in my life relating to gun ownership and outdoors pursuits. Look back over the last 50 years at any Government intiative either Federal or Provincial that has had a restrictive or other detrimentral effect on gun ownership, hunting or anything to do with the outdoors and see that it's pretty much all been under Liberal or NDP rule. That's the facts, like it kr not.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Still on Wild TV.
Historically...Quote:
Originally Posted by TPM
The sitting prime minister at that time was R.B. Bennet....a Conservative...Quote:
1932-1933
Specific requirements were added for issuing handgun permits. Before this, applicants only had to be of 'discretion and good character.' They now also had to give reasons for wanting a handgun. Permits could only be issued to protect life or property, or for using a firearm at an approved shooting club. The minimum age for possessing firearms was lowered from 16 to 12 years. Other changes included the creation of the first mandatory minimum consecutive sentence - 2 years for the possession of a handgun or concealable firearm while committing an offence. The punishment for carrying a handgun outside the home or place of business was increased from 3 months to a maximum of 5 years.
Should also include:
The sitting Prime Minister at that time was....Brian Mulroney..A Conservative...Quote:
1991-1994
Bill C-17 was introduced. It passed in the House of Commons on November 7, received Senate approval and Royal Assent on December 5, 1991, then came into force between 1992 and 1994. Changes to the FAC system included requiring applicants to provide a photograph and two references; imposing a mandatory 28-day waiting period for an FAC; a mandatory requirement for safety training; and expanding the application form to provide more background information. Bill C-17 also required a more detailed screening check of FAC applicants.
Some other major changes included: increased penalties for firearm-related crimes; new Criminal Code offences; new definitions for prohibited and restricted weapons; new regulations for firearms dealers; clearly defined regulations for the safe storage, handling and transportation of firearms; and a requirement that firearm regulations be drafted for review by Parliamentary committee before being made by Governor-in-Council. A major focus of the new legislation was the need for controls on military, para-military and high-firepower guns. New controls in this area included the prohibition of large-capacity cartridge magazines for automatic and semi-automatic firearms, the prohibition of automatic firearms that had been converted to avoid the 1978 prohibition (existing owners were exempted); and a series of Orders-in-Council prohibiting or restricting most para-military rifles and some types of non-sporting ammunition.
The Bill C-17 requirement for FAC applicants to show knowledge of the safe handling of firearms came into force in 1994. To demonstrate knowledge, applicants had to pass the test for a firearms safety course approved by a provincial Attorney General, ora firearms officer had to certify that the applicant was competent in handling firearms safely.
Bill C-17 added a requirement that safety courses had to cover firearms laws as well as safety issues.
1992 Harris Govt cancelled any further construction of enclosures(hound running areas)That were constructed in Ontario.
1999 Spring bear hunt cancelled by Harris Govt
All Governments are capable of decisions that we don't support.
what do politics have to do with whether CITR is on the air or not...NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes but the current Liberals far exceed in $$$$$ than the Peterson Liberals and Bob Rae NDP combined $. So fooked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Want to change your statement after Miktpals post because he has-had the real facts not ones from inside your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by TPM
Lets get back on track or start another thread. lol
it's proof that these guys like to talk just to look important or skilled...it doesn't matter whether their comments are factual or relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brampton Mike
Good old internet celebrities :)
I like to watch hunting videos that other hunters have put together. We got a couple guys on this forum that like to capture their hunts on video. I could care less whether CITR is ever shown again.
plenty of good posts here,
I think its also important to consider that hunting is not currently being taken up by younger generations as willingly as it was years ago, and no doubt there are many factors for this. Having a decent show that was available on weekend mornings on regular (not pay or specialty tv) and was something that any kid could watch with their parent was good. True that the marketing has overtaken things, and I get the point about a hunter staged over a baited field....but nonetheless it was exposure for younger kids who may not get interested otherwise. My buddy's kid used to get up faithfully on weekend mornings specifically to watch it, and now they hunt together a lot, that's what stuck in my head.
In fact, hunting is growing in popularity.
In exactly what numbers, seems to be hard to nail down. Looking at the estimated Hunter summary charts (below) from the MNR for Deer and Moose from 2006-2013 it varies wildly from WMU to WMU.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Moose 2006 -2013
https://dr6j45jk9xcmk.cloudfront.net...tivity-and.pdf
Deer 2006-2013
https://dr6j45jk9xcmk.cloudfront.net...g-activity.pdf
I know in this WMU (66a) there are far few hunters in the local camps, some are down up to 50%. The above charts indicate that they were 400 less licenses sold in this WMU between 2006 and 2013.
I looked for a more recent chart, but could only find some dated to 2009...again hard to make a general statement as some are up and some are down...and that was 6 yrs ago,
http://www.web2.mnr.gov.on.ca/mnr/fo...cators/513.pdf
I have to agree welsh and know many young people getting into hunting the last few years. Most of my nieces and nephews are into hunting including two of my three children. My daughter loves to go hunting and work the dogs. She is a natural !Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
What WMU are you talking about YD......
Increases/Decreases seem to be regional. A quick count of the changes in estimated hunter licenses for DEER from the chart in my previous post show that it's almost equal between the WMUs seeing less (x55) and WMUs seeing more (x54).
Numbers of deer tags sold is the wrong metric. All that tells you is how many people are hunting deer and naturally that may vary by WMU.
Based on licence sales overall, it is will established that hunting has been growing in the US over the past decade. There is limited data for Canada but there is a study for BC showing the same trend, and there is no reason to believe that Ontario or any other part of Canada would be out of step with what seems to be a broad cultural trend. Nation-wide, the numbers of migratory bird licences sold is rising over the same time frame.
More people have been taking the Hunter Safety course in Ontario every year, the percentage of women hunting is going up too.
I'm not sure deer and moose hunting are attracting the younger generations or at least the one that never hunted with their family. The one I talk to are more interested in waterfowl, turkey, rabbit and such... Something you can do on the week end, you interact with the game, bunch of friend seating or talking to each other and so on.... Seating on a tree stand all day and shooting a shot a year is probably not the best way to get into hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
In our camp for example, for the past two years we got 3 new hunters in their twenties, one is a family member (his dad is a camp owner) and the other two are family friends with no hunter in their family. This year we will probably have new 2 guys in their twenties and 1 in is thirties with no hunter in their family either and maybe one girl that is just twenty. The thing is, we are not serious hunters (two deer hanging from the pole and we are done) . People come and go for two weeks, you get up whenever and go to bed whenever, go fishing or riding, its a vacation not a job. The only two rules is don't be an idiot and help or you have to find a new camp.
It's probably the best metric that is useful for most of S/W and S/E Ontario..Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
While I don't disagree that there are more people taking the courses..that doesn't appear to be translating into License (Tag) sales or it's not translating into more Hunters in the bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Take a look at the License/Tag sales for Deer for WMU's in Eastern Ont between 2006-2013;
WMU 65 (+327), WMU 64A..(+101), WMU 64B (-15), WMU 66A (-347).
So over a 7 yr period the total increase of Tag sales in Eastern Ont averaged out to only +66.
Considering that the population of Eastern Ontario has been growing steadily over that same period, I don't see that there is a huge increase in 'Hunters' as a percentage of the general population.
ie; The city of Ottawa alone grew by 50,000 people over that same period (821,129 to 870,250)...add in all the other towns in Eastern Ont that grew over the same period , selling only 66 more tags, hardly shows an 'increase' in Hunters.
Like I said earlier, it's hard to nail down the numbers, especially when you add other variables.
That is just deer applications for antlerless deer, I live in 66A but did not apply as my chances of getting one are slim. I will hunt a buck here but not a doe. I know a lot of people who have different zones they hunt and apply for their antlerless deer in the zone with the best shot at a validation. This trend seems to follow the deer population for the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Another issue I have noticed is that permission for properties tends to follow the groups but hunting in gangs has gone down. Therefore if you used to have 14 guys that hunted a group of farms and now you are down to 6 guys but you still have that farm locked down you reduce the hunter density. Not to say that deer hunters have not dropped in the area but I don't think this necessarily parallels hunting in general.
The number of waterfowl hunters is up, I remember seeing an article on this. The huge plus about waterfowl is the low cost with high chance of success. If you know what you are doing deer hunting you are still only good for 1, maybe 2 deer a year per person depending on the area that you live. (unless you buy additional tags all over the province) Waterfowl you can hunt, specifically geese, every day from the start of the season to the end with a license fee of $17. My friend actually had about 180lbs of goose in the freezer for sausages.
Money is tight but waterfowl is still economical, if you don't shoot high end non-tox.
I'd hazard an assumption that over 95% of people who buy a 'Buck' tag will apply for an Anterless tag. So the estimate numbers that they are using are still relevant. Whichever MWU you hunt, it would still show up statistically in the overall numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I think broad stroke, the numbers that the MNR are using for those tables are a pretty good estimate of how many hunters there are, in regards to the increase over time and will support a statistical sampling.
As an aside...I was also add that the increase in 'women' hunting is a bit of a ruse if I am to believe the stories I hear at the camp. Apparently some guys are getting their Wives/GFs to take the courses just so that they can get an extra outdoor card in the family so they can get extra tags. Seems an expensive way to get more hunting in :)
I have no idea of the numbers of Waterfowl Permits that are sold to Ontario hunters and has that number increased over the past 10 yrs...if you can find a link to support that I would be interested in seeing the numbers and compare it to the Deer/Moose numbers.
Yes exactly Fox waterfowl hunters are way up ! As said earlier about nieces ,nephews and my own children getting into hunting. None of them are interested in deer or moose hunting whatsoever. In my neck of the woods waterfowl hunting Lake St.Clair is huge and my nephews and niece were raised on it (family tradition).
anecdotal..find some statistics to support your theory...it's not that I disagree, but it would be nice to see some facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
http://www.ec.gc.ca/reom-mbs/default...=en&n=C9046964
About 200,000 Canada-wide, and increasing every so slightly, but well off the 400,000 to 500,000 from the 70's and 80's.
I see the increase mainly because I have so many nieces and nephews that are between the ages of 15 to 35. Not to mention all the friends they hunt with. Very different hunting scene in this neck of the woods compared to the Kemptville area. I have gone to many sold out waterfowl functions such as Delta, Ducks Unlimited, Wild Turkey Federation, Rondeau Rod and Gun Club since moving back to my stomping grounds where i grew up. I have not seen anything like with the amount of young people getting into waterfowl hunting.
Many years ago before I left Chatham Ontario age 22 I was involved as a member of Ducks Unlimited. My brother in law was my mentor and I clearly remember at all the fund raising functions duck hunter numbers being way done for many years. Very different story today and clearly see it going up. Maybe you can dig up some Delta and Ducks Unlimited membership numbers stats.
2012 looks like an upswing is starting. In fact that's roughly when I noticed more and more young people getting into hunting. Blame it on Duck Dynasty or give them some credit.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Thanks Werner, that's what we needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
So using that chart in that link, it shows that, in Ontario, the increase in permits between 2006 (54,404) and 2013 (62,009) was growth of about 12%. or 7,605 Hunters over a 7 yr period, that's 1,100 a year across the province...not huge numbers.
The population of Ontario grows at a rate of 1% per year, so the population grew 7% over the same period of time. So the growth, as a per capita, is even smaller.
AND that is with the popularity of 'Duck Dynasty' as a catalyst for newbies to join the sport....which historical is short lived and the numbers drop off again.
No I don't believe it's short lived if anything you will see this trend continue to grow. You need to get yourself more around the younger generation and witness the interest being shown for the great outdoors and appreciation for the environment. My kids especially between 20 to 25 yrs of age have a real interest in naturally grown food off the land , hunting for it and ways to sustain it. Lots of young pups on this forum that hunt as well as their friends and I am sure some of them were not from hunting families. I don't think it will ever be like the early years but at least were seeing new hunters.
Your not accepting the numbers (facts) YD....it doesn't matter what you see in your enclave...there are not huge number of hunters joining the sport across the province...growth is small and slow, barely keeping up with the increase in population growth.
We have hunt camps all thru this WMU that are closing due to dropping numbers of new hunters joining them. The numbers from the MNR confirm it. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the numbers are close to 50/50 for those WMU's increasing compared to those decreasing.
Nevertheless, the trend is that hunting has been growing over the past decade.
Exactly welsh and even if it's slow in growth. I would rather see that than a huge explosion of new hunters. And I will continue to support like many other new hunters Delta and Ducks Unlimited.
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Originally Posted by welsh
hahaha...yes it's taken 13 years for Waterfowler's go claw back to the 2000 numbers...it's going take another 40 years to get back to 1990 numbers..Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Slower growth than my GIC's...LOL....
The long-term decline in numbers since the 1970s will not be recovered, because it is driven by major demographic trends.
But that isn't relevant here. Canada in the Rough was not on television in the 1970s. The complaint was that removing hunting shows from TV now is terrible because hunting is seeing a recruitment failure at present. In fact, hunting is growing, which means that the recruitment failure does not, in fact, exist.
I still say that it's all about the m-o-n-e-y. Nothing more,nothing less. Politics has zilch to do with it.
Yup....the CRTC forced Networks to put these Hunt shows on the air with the Canadian content rules....now the CRTC relaxed the rules and the networks have a greater choice to pick what it will make money at, so they drop the 'poor' (financially) performers. Simple really.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The numbers are horrible....the growth, if you want to call it that, is so low it has become difficult for the MNR to get the operational income it needs from the sales of licensing...ergo the recent $2 increase added to each transaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
If the numbers don't outpace the cost of inflation then the cost of hunting in general will continue to increase, further driving those away from hunting. As you say the demographics have change and will never come back. Not with a growth of less than 1% a year in license sales.
MP are you a member of Delta or Ducks Unlimited ?
The MNR never got its operating budget from licence sales.
Now your splitting hairs Welsh.....The money from Licenses fees goes in the SPA fund....from which the MNR draws the funds to conduct it's business/programs...Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
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"The Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) is proposing new ways to increase revenue — and hunters and anglers will likely bear the brunt of it. An Environmental Bill of Rights (EBR) posting, which closes for comment on June 2, says that by 2015 the Special Purpose Account (SPA) that funds the MNR’s fish and wildlife programs, which cost $100-million to deliver, will not be able to keep up with shortfalls caused by changing licence purchases, inflation, and an older demographic. According to the posting, the SPA will have to reduce expenditures in 2015 to maintain a positive budget unless actions are taken to offset the shortfall. All of the proposed actions are outlined in this Sustainability Strategy for the Special Purpose Account (SPA), 2014-2019 document. In the 40-page document some of the proposed actions include the following:
read more; http://www.yakfisher.net/smffiles/in...p?topic=9446.0
And you're changing the subject.
What does the SPA have to do with the contention that taking CITR off the air is a disaster because hunting is experiencing a recruitment failure? I ask because this is the actual subject of discussion, and it's been shown that this supposed recruitment failure doesn't exist.
I've seen you do this a thousand times: stand up for some false claim, and when the claim is proven false, change the subject in a desperate attempt to be right about something. Sorry, but I'm not going to play. No recruitment failure, end of discussion.
Well I wasn't having a discussion with you Welsh, Yellow Dog and I were discussing the increase of Hunters taking up Waterfowl...which was also off topic, but you know as well as I how that happens.
And yes, as I pointed out, if there are not enough new hunters buying licenses, the revenues will not support the requirements of the SPA fund and the cost of Hunting will be forced to increase (see my link above) across the board (as it already has) and that will have a determent to both recruitment and retention. False claim...I think not and my links prove it out, as does common sense.
Raise the cost of a deer to tag to $75..see's what happens to recruitment/retention.
Threatening to 'end' the discussion is meaningless (and rather presumptuous), since it had noting to do with you in the first place.