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How true !!!!!
Good one!
Painfully ironic.
Ha ha ,, Good one Species.
Yes and and the two laughing Liberals sitting at the bow of the boat !
Looks like chretien on the right. Lol.
You totally nailed it!
Totally true! Those two liberals are trying to empty the water out of the boat so everyone will be ok, while the two conservatives figure that it doesn't affect them. :P
Touche'
Liberals and their socialist views - a socialist country lasts until they run out of other people's money -
Wehave lots of money you just want to keep 100% of yours for you.
For sure there are no ndp in there because they would need at least four or five to bail. Lol
I see that you rednecks are having a field day with this one so I won't bother to comment further!!:scream:
You must be a Liberal because you didn't read it correctly !Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingMonkey
I did not see anything on the cartoon that said who is what ,the title was just your interpritation of it ,everyone sees things differently.
All four are liberals.
If'n it was Trudolt in the boat he'd have to ask what end of the pail to bail with and then toss the water in the high end of the boat.
Well lets put this into perspective with something at least based in reality.
how about S&P, Fitch and Moody's?
Or how about...........................Fire sales and taxes and fees
FMC, FM or ITD or Harold or any other Liberal, here.
Fact of the matter is
Ontario is a sieve, much like the cartoon boat. Its sinking
Its the peons, the working class and a large bulk of those out side the golden TA who do the work and whose backs are being broken bailing trying to remain afloat. That you liberals are exploiting.
:madman::madman::madman::madman::madman::madman::m adman::madman::madman::madman::madman:
Or its the people fleeing that make Ontario a sieve, a leaky boat. Something even Ms Wynne and the Liberals acknowledge, population growth is down, and its not because birth rates or immigration is down, its because emigration is up.
http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/economy/...s/projections/
See also Job losses, and towns mothballed, and companies fleeing, or refusing to come. See what Hydro and other things are doing to small/med businesses...
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/16...t-ontario-jobs
Or its bloated PS and how rich it is (numerically and financially)
See so much...
By all means continue to deny/pretend otherwise, but pick a topic and well.....I seriously don't understand why anyone even tries to "deny" or "defend" or what ever. Spades are spades and theres no rose coloured glasses here.
You know the saying...If the shoe fits and the facts are this shoe (this cartoon, and sentiments)
Fit.
The cartoon depicts people not being aware that they are in the same boat, literality (or pictorially in this case). If you insist on continuing the "it's the liberals fault" you are exactly what the cartoon is about and that is why it is amusing, in a sad way, to those who actually understand things.
And
Anybody have an idea what would happen if the other 2 went to the end with the hole?
Carry on.
Right on!! But probably a bit too subtle for the reactionaries on here to comprehend!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kickingfrog
That's right you Liberals are so much smarter than the rest of us. What were we thinking ! The Ontario province is in wonderful shape. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kickingfrog
You're 1 for 3.
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Originally Posted by kickingfrog
Speaking of subleties, I suppose it might be a little to subtle to say um, yes we are all in the same boat, and no that wasn't lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldH
Some are faring better others (the middle class working stiffs) or those in their pet city (the GTA) vs those outside and or Northern Ontario, or those in their pet Unions vs low hanging fruit in PS (nurses, MNR, others) or many in private and I might also ponder why it is.
If as you say Harold we are all in the "same" boat
A) whose fault is it? Why, that would be the governing parties and those that support them despite the mess they've created So um you were saying? It is someones fault or did it all just happen by magic?
B) If we all are in the same boat why is it all aren't feeling the pain equally? See…..so much
So um, so much for snappy comebacks and yeah obviously the shoe fits you if you can't see "that".
That um yes, we all are in the same boat, yet Ms Wynne and the Liberals………Have spent billions and billions buying votes…jack squat for rural Ontario and job creation and the peons (those bailing the boat)….AND have done everything they can to make sure their pets don't get pinched by layoffs and cut backs…And more that could be said (growth in the Sunshine list?), raises for PS while the peons in the bottom are seeing layoffs and if lucky 1.5% versus say um
3% signing bonus for Hydro One
3% Raise
2.7% in stock
Just last week alone
And those would be those two chaps….
13.5% for the OPP
Teachers…….
and more
Leamington or other towns crushed by layoffs?
/crickets
Funny you didn't see "that".
That's an O-fer.
Is that the best "you" have Kicking frog?
So lets run with what you said we missed "that we are all in the same boat". Perhaps you would care to explain how you missed some facts, that while yes we are all in the same boat……there are obvious how shall we say it…priorities from them and some.
Have you missed the fact that while MS Wynne was spending billions on say the GTA…Northern Ontario, rural ontario got Jack?
And who would you Blame for the various scandals, brain farts and more for the mess if not them?
Santa Claus?
Maybe you still blame Mike Harris?
Look, I don't care who anyone typically leans towards be you L/R/Center.
But when so much has occurred be it political corruption or scandals like E-Health, ORNG, GAS Plants and so much more is well documented and has various economic boards, economist or think tanks ripping them knew ones Or it has Rating Agencies down grading them yet again.
the proof is in the pudding all over the place if you just care to "look".
And there is so much more that might be said. Are you really prepared to say for example they have tried to mitigate job losses and more in Rural Ontario (some is their fault for Hydro)…
See Wine Sippers in NoTL get 75,000,0000
See Leamington getting $200,000
See so much
Or take for example doing very little about the economy and only now really focusing on infrastructure(too bad we are broke now having spent it on fluff and have to have fire sales) versus say obscene raises and hand outs for friends?
What are we all we all in the same boat?
Northern Ontario?
What have they done for them…say versus for the GTA?
How anyone can pretend otherwise, or simply not accept things. There are all kinds of problems, all kinds of prices being paid by people, real people who can't afford this inept bunch and those who put them there.
Like always for good or bad the money goes where the votes come from..... End of story you can go on and on but we all know that is the truth.
You seam to be having difficulty following the arc of the thread. The cartoon was put forth and misrepresented. Followed by much the standard fare. Basic grunts, scratching and head bobbing. I pointed out an alternative, more grunts.
And again, as a public service announcement, just because I poke holes in the standard political leanings here doesn't make me _____ (fill-in the blank).
I frequently disagree with what you say but often you will put forth well thought out arguments and present them well. This isn't one of those times.
If we really want to know the cartoonist's meaning we need to know where it was published. That would make it immediately clear. There is no unbiased media
The viewers reaction says more about them than what the cartoonists meaning tells us about the cartoonist.
I do understand that Kicking Frog. hence why I didn't say anything, for the first while but then the usual (searches for right words/phrases) the "other side" started, lets call them the denyers/head in the sanders.
Im mostly "centrist" with an emphasis on fiscal responsibility. Social programs, good PS, etc it cost $$, lots of it. If we want caviar well we need to take of the $ and economy first..Just my rudimentary description of my political leanings..
It drives me nuts that some can't seem to see or grasp what it's costing people, real people. Or take G (FM) latest.Yeah Gord, vote buying is a long history.
Name me one party, federal or provincial that has driven things into the ground in the process.
Name me one party who did so during a severe economic downturn.
Name me one party with as many scandals or brainfarts (GEA) also adding to it?
Just one G in 100 years….
Its one thing to say throw money at Quebec buying votes there when times are good. Its quite another when times are tough and the peons paying your Pension are getting laid off in droves, or seeing 1.5% (if anything) and they are throwing 13.5% at the OPP, obscene payouts just two weeks ago for Hydro One, Teachers and more buying their Unions for their political clout and support.
blah blah blah blah.
Maybe when you care about more than just yourself or the GTA, you'll see what these years of Liberal Rule have done, are doing. And whats coming. You'll care about all the downgrades and what they mean.
You'll care about companies folding, or refusing to come here (many well publicized)
Maybe you might even think about many people ending up in your old place of employment because
Hyrdo is exploding as are taxes and fees (why is that?)
They don't have Pensions, nor enough saved (Then again when you pay more to taxes paying for everything else like vote buying, and brain farts, and everything else….than you do housing and food) trying to find a couple nickels to save..
Just a couple statistical facts
you might care
Couldn't be conservatives in the bow! Here's why: If they were conservatives they would have thrown the bailers/workers overboard just as they throw them under the bus when on land!!!
Excellent post,Species. That's the way to "light 'em up". I'm loving the way liberal poster's are trying to "spin" it,too. Actually,they're very good. They'd do The Toronto Star,CBC and The Globe and Mail proud. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Give it up Jben,your only wasting your time typing all these long replies, most of which is bang on. There are a few on this forum that are very obviously far more "INTELLIGENT" than most of us knuckle dragging neanderthals.We are not intelligent enough,like the chosen few to understand how well off we and our province are.We "simple common folk" cannot see and understand how well this province has been run and will continue to be run for a few more years at least. We do not have the blind faith,the incompetent mindset,the follow your leader over the cliff syndrome that one must posess to be one of the "INTELLIGENT" ones. We are just plain, ordinary,dumb common sense people. Thank god for that, AMEN.
Lol, now that's a little humour I can appreciate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldH
Heres a quasi serious question for anyone reading. I am a centrist, at time's more L than C. To me, theres a time and place for everything. But as I said, even as a "closest" wee Liberal with "social" concerns I do understand that if we want to be socially responsible and have good social programs, good PS be it healthcare, education other. Well that cost money, and the simple hard fact of the matter is that these days no Liberal (Federal and certainly not here in Ontario) seems to understand is that the
better off, the middle class and private is the more "money" there is for governance and programs and "ps" etc. The dog (private, economy) wags the tail. Not the other way around.
So having said that. If we could somehow magically look at Ontario, all the various factors, things whatever, that have brought to us where we are today, but without any "political connection" would anyone say those in control have done anything remotely well or good?
For all the talk about championing social things (typically left ideology) and the middle class, and we are being the same boat.
The truth is they are anything but. And I can honestly say no party in my memory has done as much damage as they. I used to say that of Bob Rae, never imagined a day when another would do more.
I am very big certain issues, in part because of my line of work. Take Ms Wynnes oh so wonderful ( read the dripping sarcasm here) ORRP. Yeah Kathleen, yeah Liberals it's true
The peons of Ontario are in desperate need for their futures, "retirements", thats very true . What makes me laugh with the sad ironic humour is most don't take to time to understand why. Most don't understand, your regime is largely responsible. Its proven statistical facts that the middle class is shrinking, everyones quality of life is going down. The trends are clear since the 1960s.
G I know where you are this week and good for you getting to watch that.You beat the game of life.
You do understand for the bulk of people thats just a pipe dream. Why does Ms Wynne feel needs to bring in her own Pension Plan for the peons of Ontario?
Why?
Well see……………………statistical trends since the 60s…….people losing more to taxation than they spend on housing/food…..see what it takes to retire and oh so very much.
Forest for the trees imo.
How about a lack of good union jobs. When I was getting out of school in the 70,s it was everyone's goal not going on to uni. to get a union job so you could be middle class. I grew up in a blue -collar neighbourhood. I believe that Mulroney and free trade agreements killed those good jobs. We are one of the few countries in the world that do not need anything outside our borders to survive, but lots of the world needs what we have.
Different Era G, different times.
Understand what it is your suggesting (re we can be self sufficient/reliant) but in truth we can't. We are so tightly interwoven these days (finances, economies) globally…
Imo the "trades" are the future. Look around at kids today spending 10s of thousands of dollars on useless pedigree's only to come out of Uni and not find work in related fields or realize they are "unhappy" in that field…….Again back to Boomers, its projected there will be many shortages in the trades (makes sense because 40-50 years ago or the 60s-70s)………
Without getting into debates about Unions and whether or not they are dinosaurs ( I believe they are). Basically whether "unionized" or not without the jobs, without the companies aka (private) creating the need/demand/growth………..
And what has this admin done for the past 8 years?
jack squat, their sole focus has been buying their wins at levels that are unprecedented…..In the end they and the Unions have only shot themselves in the foot and they killing "the middle class".
I won't argue, different C governances have done damage or this/that.
Theres a time/place for everything. Look around globally these past 8 years, and really 5-10-15 years down the road.
The dog wags the tail so to speak.
Interesting to see posters identify themselves as reactionaries after my post!:) You folks took my post faar too seriously. If you were fish you'd go for the bait every time!! Gotta go now---there are a couple of other pots that need stirring before they boil over!!:p
I also remember a time you would buy Canadian because it was better made and anything from J.A.Pan was cheaper because it was crap and would not last. Everything made in Japan is made from material from somewhere else in the world. We have the resources , manpower, knowledge to make whatever we need right here. Very few countries can say that. I would rather have, Simpsons and Eatons than Walmart.
Dear God JBen... you're not suggesting that if the economy is properly managed/stimulated then "the budget will balance itself" Are you.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Sorry couldn't resist lol
Roftlmao!!
Oh so you were just trolling, and intentionally trying to stir the pot, which we all knowQuote:
Originally Posted by HaroldH
A) can derail threads, lead to flames etc.
B) Explicitly against forum Rules
Not sure thats the smartest thing to openly admit given B and at least we all know now your just a troll and not to be taken seriously.
Ironic given you were quasi questioning peoples intelligence and ability to recognize nuances and subtleties earlier. ;)
A rambling jumble with zero substance is not statistical or factual.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Good thing head bobbing isn't explicitly against forum rules eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Well sooner or later history will repeat itself and great empires have come crashing down in the past. My brother in law is a trader for a major bank (securities) for close to 30 years. He has not seen anything like this with the world economy and people with that sort of attitude handling and spending our money will prove disastrous in the end. Very different economic climate today.
Doesn't matter. Conservatives or Liberals. New boss same as the old boss. It is very suprising to me that people think one party will lead the province/country to the promise land. A politician is a politician. Party name is meaningless.
It would make a difference if party leaders had morals, values ,integrity and a respect for our hard earned money to be responsible spending it wisely. Unfortunately many people are followers and do what they are told and become corrupt along the way.
succinct and correct. Good on you Roper!
But then again many people will complain and do nothing to make a difference.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Greeks eat and drink everyday on borrowed money that they feel entitled to. At some point those footing the bill will stop bankrolling them. They exist only because of other hard working people's money. Hey, wait a minute................
Yes yes I know Gord, they must be wrong.
Shame for you Moodys, SP, Fitch, Don Drummond, and more all, ALL agree with the Frasier and the proof is in the pudding if you would just open your eyes. Funny that.
Growth in the Sunshine list ( Not speaking about that magical 100k number) but simply the growth in the past X years. What are you oblivious to facts?
Here you go Gord, or Kicking Frog. Read a few of them and.....think before you leap.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=growth+...conversationid=
Does the FACT the province is screaming for cash escape you?
Does the FACT they have NO money for raises or XYZ escape you?
Does the fact they feel they need to sell Hydro One escape you?
Does the fact they are raising taxes AND fees escape you
Does the fact most people pay between 45% and 50% of their income to taxes escape you? You know so called "tax freedom day" escape you?
no substance Kicking Frog?
Gee Gord don't they take in 120,000,000,000 every year?
Where does it go Gord?
Can you read a balance sheet or budget?
*************
Not enough?
Like seriously good god. Straight from the horses mouths guys
http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/consulta...sion/oris.html
I must be just rambling right Kicking Frog?
Then please explain why Ms Wynne campaigned on and feels Ontarians (those who don't have pensions) need her ORP and why she feels she needs to tax employers and employees 2% each.
Or care to explain why the FEDS are raising the age to 67 from 65 and why CPP sustainability is such a big issue...OR XYZ.
like for F sakes you guys live in denial and cant think your way out of wet paper bags if there is a thousand things out there (don't any of you read any news?) and isn't it funny how all you have is baseless accusations yourself and cant put up any articles, charts, studies anything that support your attacks except your say so
lmao want to talk rambling without substance?.
Look in the mirror
Don't let facts get in your way.
Its not me saying it, all I do is repeat whats out there.
What the likes of Moodys has to say
S and P
Fitch
Others
scream and yell all you like, take your weak arsed snipes all you like without any back up. Shame theres sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much I can link, use as supporting arguments in about 5 seconds.
And when the things you can see with your own eyes, mirror the things the likes of Moodys has to say.......
No substance Kicking Frog?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...service=mobile
And now perhaps I should link one of a million reports/articles/studies on the needs for people to save for retirement in case you have lived somewhere other than earth the past 8-10 years?
By all means link some reports that rebut just a couple I've posted for you.
Boomers Gord? Lots has been written about them.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Boomers...conversationid=
You guys are too much. Maybe instead of trying to pick fights and not pausing long enough to think . At least have something first? At least something that might be presented to "rebut" say
just this, and understand. I don't write things, I just read them and debate, attack that rather than me or is that all you have?. So when you "attack" me your really ridiculing and saying you know better than.
And do note, the time stamp on this. AKA TODAY.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...p-in-borrowing
Now Gord by all means
Link a few things that debunks the stuff the Fraser has said. Understand that while many are right wing, they are still respected economist, so find some that say the Fraseer is off their rockers and do understand when Moodys and more parallels all the things they say.........,
And lastly.
Do note I specifically used a Globe and Mail article. Not sure they are "left" but does anyone here want to dispute they aren't atleast "balanced"... Do you see them discrediting the Fraser? And they ain't the Sun so saying well the Sun and Fraser..., I hope you read enough news to know that at least.
Another interesting read for you guys.
http://www.benefitscanada.com/pensio...retirees-45291
another
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/i...191401297.htmlQuote:
Namely, the survey results indicate Millennials aren’t just whining when they say they have fewer economic opportunities than their parents (and, in some cases, grandparents). Baby Boomers believe it, too. Indeed the older generation (between 50 and 65 years old) appears even more uneasy about a future of precarious, low-benefit work and what that will mean for themselves and their children.
The poll found Boomers are far more likely to think their children will slip in economic class than Millennials when asked about their future economic status; and about half (49 per cent) of Boomers believe economic opportunities are worse for their children than when they were young.
The majority of Boomers fear, too, that their children’s generation won’t be able to raise the tax revenue to pay for social programs they will need in retirement.
Ok guys, in about 5 minutes Ive provided you with enough reading to last you atleast a day, maybe more.
Im waiting
LOL fantastic !
Ever see a dog chase it's tail so long that it sits down because it forgot why it was chasing its tail?
Sorry for the slow response time. I was at work and then spending our money that the government gave back to us so we'll vote for them in a few months. Shoulda had a few more kids.
:)
Here's the thing KF, and I'm at a loss. Rather than "attacking me" or anyone for that matter.
If you disagree with the likes Don Drummond, Moody's,SP, Fitch, Fraser,commerce board, or the CEO of Fiat recently and other companies who are refusing to invest here because.......if you disagree with many more...
If you disagree with any of the above related things, thats taxation/housing food, or pensions and people not having enough ( I don't know doesn't Ms Wynne agree but she wants only some to pony 4% and not all wasn't it you that said we are all in the same boat?? What gives?). Not a bad deal that eh, the peons pony up for the massively expensive DBPs (that EVERYONE knows need to be reformed) but not everyone for the peons ORPP.
I don't know do you disagree that with Hydro exploding, taxes going up, and that the peons (statistically proven) families with AVERAGE annual DUO incomes of 75,000 who ALREADY don't have pensions, don't have enough saved, will find it easier finding 2 nickels?
Do you disagree with what Boomers are going to do and that article I linked for you? And google search with hundreds more?
Why don't you try "attacking" the statistics with your own counters than form the basis for your "opinion". You still haven't come up with any what was it you said……substance?
By all means
Refute the growth in say the SS list or just the growth (40% to 11%)
Refute with statistics or other any number of related things.
Refute raises and what not out of touch with the cost of living (inflation)
Refute closed doors meetings with union heads, or the OPP, or how McGuinty bought the Unions following Rae/Harris
Refute the campaign funds Unions spend or working families.....
And my isn't it funny how the only time they came close to losing was 2011 when he showed a little back bone and tried to stand up to them, it was so close they decided they needed to flush 1.1 billion to save 5 seats in the GTA.
Just substantiated facts.....I know, I'm sorry.
I don't attack "you", all I ask for if your going to, is for a little um substance.
Aka don't tell me, show me. Your little snide and flippant comments really only demonstrate…you got nothing (take that a couple ways if you want). And maybe "next" time you'll learn the art of debate/discussion and rather than going after the messengers, by all means.
Show us why the Fraser institute is wrong, or why Moodys is wrong or where the 120 billion they spend every year is going and why the massive debt they've piled on……or XYZ
Don't shoot the messengers, or those who are really only repeating…or can see with their own eyes….and have a little substance and you know……
The point I made and continue to make is that not only was the original cartoon misrepresented it was misinterpreted.
You've gone completely off the rails. You've listed numerous things that you think back up your position but your position has zero to do with what this is about but you continue to bring up more things that have nothing to do with my point.
You also seem to think that because I disagree with you (on the original point) that must be on the other side.
Didn't argue that myself ;)
What I seriously and I do mean seriously don't understand, is why some (not really counting you) continue to dispute things, its mind boggling when the mountains of…………..…
Now on that topic of the cartoon when/if you consider it (theres merit).
The vote buying of the GTA vs crickets for the rest of the province be it rural or the North. Look at unemployment numbers for say the GTA and say…..Peterboro (let I saw almost 20%)..Same boat?
What have they done?
/crickets but thrown $$ at the GTA and Unions.
The pandering to Unions (which in turn has benefited a good chunk of PS but not all) for their support. Can you say COs are in the same boat as the OPP or Teachers? Lets just use them..
Even say "Orpp" which doesn't tax everyone 4%, but everyone pays for the problematic/expensive DBPs in PS and its taxing people who are already bailing, trying to stay afloat…just like that cartoon.
When some in PS have been getting raises out of touch with inflation and despite the infamous "hold the line uttered by McGuinty in 2010 and all the warnings from rating agencies, economist and more.
When you consider the job losses outside vs little pain for um friends and the fact they've done little and as a result more downgrades.
Can you really blame them, those that "misrepresented" it ? is Everyone in Ontario truly in the same boat? Um no, not everyone is.
Given whats going on lets say, just on this one thing if you earned 75k and had that pension (no real need to find 2 nickels) and your neighbour likewise earned the mean but didn't have any pension and whose mtg was higher because all else equal he who has a Pension can concentrate paying off the mtg (see above article about peons trying to pay for their kids, housing taxes and save)
Are they in the same boat/predicament?
Funny that. But thats the cost of ignoring the majority for the few. Even the money they are finally spending on infrastructure after 8 long years….What the hell don't they rake in 120b a year already? Wheres it go?
I took issue with the flippant comments/substance thing ;) that followed.
The "middle class" has been taking it on the chin for years here in Ontario while many others……
And if we go historical trends its been shown the middle class is shrinking, everyones Quality of Life is going down, since around the 60s
Funny thing about see saws, when one side goes down, something usually goes up.
Whats gone up since the 60s?
So while yes the cartoon (and aren't all political cartoons satire?) was misrepresented. Was it really? If if so (lets agree) can you really blame some people.
So why "shoot" them as a couple did and do often with all the threads? When really theres soooooooooooooo much that bears so many things out, so many debates/threads here in years gone by.
/sigh and /shrug
/sigh and /shrug is the first thing I've agreed with.
Jben, did you read my #35 post?? Kudos, accolades and many thanks for your commitment, time and effort that. All your posts, links,and thoughts are not just something you make up, pretty factual and on the money. So much so that some , after many complaints about you and getting set straight want to change the subject and/ or context midstream. No refuting, no disputing, no contradictions, just change the channel!!!! Thanks again Jben, keep up the good work and don't wear your keyboard out trying to appease the " certain ones " I alluded to in post #35. And don't think for a minute they don't know who they are!!!!???????
I did bushman and thanks. Something some don't have or realize is having the convinction and "back bone" to stand up for what one believes in.
KF
What you don't seem to grasp is that the good ship Ontario is sinking. Just as many refused to believe 5 years ago (2010) and even today. And while "everyone" is onboard and should it completely sink, while all go down. In reality we know it won't, or that, that is highly unlikely.
Currently, there are those taking the brunt, in some cases breaking their backs (the working stiffs, at least those who still have jobs ) while others sit high and dry looking down at the peons ( I wonder who, can you say many on the left or in Unions or in the GTA where things aren't "as bad" as say rural Ont?) . Without realizing they are only.......
Said simply, or would you disagree that many haven't "done their part"...haven't felt it...aka many is PS/Unions who largely are "immune to downturns" and who keep voting...despite the obvious state of the boat...or maybe they simply don't care about the peons, (like the two in the bow) after all they have it relatively good and retirement is on the horizon, they are out.....
So one those who misrepresent it. Did they really and two...can you blame them. Your sounding an awful lot like one of the two at the bow.
And I guess you don't agree you just admitted it. Hence so many illustrations of how not all, are really in the same boat. Glad your feet are dry
For now
So maybe it is you that doesn't "get it".
What you do not grasp is that I never said all was good, or anything or the sort despite how often you've tried to say otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
I tried point out to the irony of finger pointing at a situation as if someone else was to blame and therefore, by default, the finger pointer was not. This you've taken as a position that all must be good in Ontario. That is more than a leap in logic. I've said as much a few times and yet you persist.
You're chasing your tail.
My caption for the original post was never intended to be accurate (although some here would say it is but clearly you disagree) or serious. Designed solely to generate entertaining discussion and at 60+ odd posts later I would say "mission accomplished."Quote:
Originally Posted by kickingfrog
Good thread dude. Top right. Chretien. Cheers.
You sly fox Species. Was putting "liberal " in the title accidental, planned or a shot over the bow??? Did you consider " conservative " at all, even for just a second?? Do you think you would have more or less hits with cons?? Good thread man!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Whether it's labelled a "liberals" view, or not. Is it not a fairly sarcastic yet sort of accurate depiction regardless?
Species could have said. "The GTAs" view, with the two in the stern being rural and northern Ontario. Any less "accurate"?
That said, if we prefer to remove all political connection and leave it exactly as the original artists (are there laws against that? Um no)
Canada/Ontario and thus society is
Left of centre.
Funny that
:)
KF, I do get that. "You" went off the rails, when you started insulting, all I did was mirror it back (aka funny how you said I had no substance, when you.....and two I have all kinds to illustrate why it is, in ways) . For the record it was gord and Harold...
With respect to finger pointing only. Darn right it's "their" fault. Who else's is it? We didn't just magically land here.....no need to reply, even if you disagree. :)
There is nothing wrong with seeing things differently. We are allowed to. Here, at our places of employment, with our friends/spouses. That's life.
So species or anyone is allowed to see it however they want. As are you, or anyone.
Does it mean he is wrong....or you are wrong?
Shades of grey.
Doesn't "bother" me at all. I actually often enjoy "hearing" someone's else's thoughts, perspectives....even when I don't agree.
Funny that to.
But if someone/anyone is just going to make snide remarks. Or take "pot" shots, without attempting to "show" why they see it differently.....
I was raised to respect everyone, but never lose my self respect.. And I don't. Uh uh, not going to happen. I'll fire back, always have, always will.
No question you've taken a lot of shots. I've only questioned your aim and reasons for shooting.
Still at it?
If "you" are going to take shots. Imp be man enough to accept what comes back.
Clearly you didn't like my or others people's responses.
"Your" forray?
I'm paraphrasing but. "You guys are stupid, not intelligent enough to pick up on the nuances and subtleties, you are misrepresenting and misinterpreting"
No explanation as to why you THINK that.
And still no substance.
Just hollow shots, that really are off the mark. I and others have provided plenty of statistical or anecdotal reasons why it can be viewed that way.
Care to say why it's "wrong" or are you God?
"See the subtle difference"
I did, 5 days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
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Originally Posted by kickingfrog
No you didn't.
You decided "you guys" are wrong and if you continue pointing fingers at the liberals you are exactly what it's about et al.
Are you God?
And further, whose fault is it the boats sinking? We didn't get here by accident.
So um......
Oh and KF,
You know what they say about people who create messes (the situation here) and can't or won't accept responsibility. Or expect others to bail them out....
Kind of like the cartoon.
So um so sure you are "right"?
Do note, I'm not suggesting the liberals created the holes in boat. Just the fact that there are lots of people who start things, and won't accept responsibility for their actions..
/wink
Exactly as I thought!! Meant to 'stir the pot' a bit! Not to mention any names, but at least 1 guy on here would call that 'trolling'!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Lol Harold I have no Problems being called out.
I hope surely you can see the difference between them. Maybe you should read the forum rules.
At the end of the day hopefully people can see there is more than one way to interpret the cartoon no matter what the artist meant by it.
Just because you see it one way, and someone else sees something else......
Is there a law that says any preice of art must be interpreted this way, and "my" way is the only way and anyone else is wrong and therefore
Exactly who the cartoon is aimed at???
Funny that given the cartoon which was a commentary on society.
Have to love the irony
There sure as he** is for Liberal Party adherents,but,for the rest of us......nope! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by JBen
A subtle nuance to it, that um...we were to slow to grasp eh Trimmer. So not only are we wrong (not, it does "fit), we are being told how think, and we aren't smart enough to see the correct and only way to interpret it.
Not unlike 2 people in the bow expecting others to bail them out...be they the liberal party going to the Feds, or taxpayers for the mess they created....be they people sitting high and dry while the boats sinking doing nothing but "better them than us"..not realizing we are all in the "same boat" be it
Liberals in ivory towers telling us commoners, the working class..the "bailers", how to think, that there's only one way...etc.
Sometimes holding aces back until the right time...
The irony is pretty funny.
:)
Some would say:Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
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Originally Posted by kickingfrog
I did point out another view of the cartoon. It was not to some peoples liking.
Good thing I'm the only one telling people how to think.
Some have even gone so far as to make an argument against a position I never took.
If I had any artistic talent I'd have to draw a cartoon... not that it would be interpreted correctly.
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Originally Posted by HaroldH
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Originally Posted by HaroldH
/shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by kickingfrog
Proof is in the pudding as they say.
Ignoring the insults etc etc, and remarks about it being a little to subtle and over our heads.
Still so sure there isn't in fact more than one way to interpret it???
and who made you God? Aka the one and only to interpret it "that" way, is the only and correct way.
And just whose fault is it?<< only one answer
Learn when to stop when you've dug yourself a hole as well. Imo
Bail the hole boys. Bail the hole. Lol.
Grouping quotes from different contributors. That's interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
You are attributing much to what I've written and it is false.
You went off the rails long ago and still haven't made it back, but that makes me god and better then everyone else. Your conclusion, presumptions and words as foolish as your imo.
Continue to shrug and sigh it doesn't change your tact.
So um you didn't call people rednecks and reactionaries and suggest it was too subtle (insulting our intelligence) in response and agreeing to KFs post.
Interesting. Do you have a hard time remembering what you write as well?
It is what it is, (not the least of which is clear violations of the ToS) Harold. By all means go back to page 3
Your only digging your hole deeper.
"Reference to God" because you don't understand that obviously. Who gives you the right to tell other people they are wrong, and there's only 1 way to interpret it. especially art/cartoons. Obvious there's more than 1 way.
Funny that
I think we've found at least part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Whats that KF?
Are you referring to this
So what is it your really saying KF, not the least of which is insulting people, and more.Quote:
If you insist on continuing the "it's the liberals fault" (anyone can and will or should because it is, care to deny that?) you are exactly what the cartoon is about (which can be made to fit or about many things…you aren't god) and that is why it is amusing, in a sad way, to those who actually understand things.
An inability to distinguish one person from another.
Um I did
Read the post order. The problem really got going with Harold but……See your post he was responding to.
If I think the world is flat….thats one thing
If people think its the Liberals fault ( it is) if they choose to think or spin the cartoon is liberals in the bow looking down on peons bailing them out and saying "glad it is isn't us"
They can
Are they really wrong
do you blame them
I asked that at least 4-6 times…………
Apparently according to you no substance to my post
;)
Please feel free to continue on the PM level.