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daily reports of unheard of brutality by savages and JT feels we have no part in helping fight this. ISIL make the WW2 Nazis look like boyscouts. What will our world reputation look like when he's done? He wants to open the floodgates and let in unscreened people who will most certainly feel entitled to change our values and way of life and also likely let terrorist sleepers in too.
you do know that JT sympathies ISIL right? that they are 'misunderstood' and won't support our alliance against them.
He doesn't want to "whip out" our CF-18's. This way he can get to the root cause of why ISIL behaves like they do. I volunteer him to go over and talk to the ISIL leaders.
I second that Dyth!! I will even pay for his plane ticket, first class. I'm also thinking it will only have to be one way!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Really? How could he hurt our world reputation worse than harper did?
not sure what you are referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I do follow once in a while media outside North America and haven't come across all that much negativity towards Canada in general and nothing where Harper got blamed in the sense that it would hurt our reputation.
Our media here is against him (and by not reporting all facts and broadcasting them evenly, I have concerns how "free" they are). Globally, I really haven't seen where he "hurt" us. If you have a bunch of examples, please share.
by participating in a coalition fighting these barbaric savages he hurts our reputation? So you would leave Isis free to expand and murder more women And children in the most brutal ways? Thank god people didn't have your values when we had to stop Hitler. I must say though you are consistant. Your hatred of Harper is more important than saving little girls from rape and slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
tell me, do you think the Holocaust was a hoax? People like you seem to think discussing it can offend Muslims and lord knows that's more important right? Don't bother responding I know your answer already.
This should be in the politics section.
Few thoughts.
Canada's so called reputation taking a hit. By whom, G...The UN (those same people that have Saudis, some of worlds most notorious abusers of humans rights...)? That particular spin by the left is one of the funnier ones.
Internally, did Canada's reputation take a hit? Id say so and I'll even cede/grant it suffered a little but please....
Lets look at some facts.
EU trade deal. Something all parties/leaders have tried to get done since the 70s. Only Harper made progress and got it inked.
Other trade deals
Does that sound like a country whose reputation has taken a hit?
But the fact immigration here increased, continues to and more, says all that needs to said. That's not to say there isn't some merit, but please. Ever notice the loudest decriers were those....
Lets see, lets pretend JT instead was our Leader this past 2-3 years. With comments such as
~The Boston Marathon Bomber was just misunderstoon and feeling alienated....
~Putin is just sore he lost at hockey
~We should be sending them winter jackets
~They just want to whip them out
I daresay, our reputation would have and Im guessing likely will suffer more. Not unlike Torontos reputation suffered with Rob Ford at the wheel. We (he) will be a laughing stock and the butt of many jokes.
On ISIS/ISIL?
Once again it seems the left doesn't listen to the people we should be listening to.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...isis-1.3259557
Maybe, just maybe if the left in Canada had instead found the backbone to do the right thing instead of gnashing teeth, wringing hands and more.
There wouldn't be 4 million Syrian refugees and other atrocities occurring.
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Either way, you know there was a time not many years ago when Canada was the butt of many jokes, not to be taken seriously at all and not a player at all. The only people who cared what the world thought of Canada outside our borders, was us.
Not so true today. or worded another way. Go back to the 1990s, early 2000s...
We've gained a lot of respect. While I will agree our "reputation" has taken a few small dings in a couple area's........Its far better in other area's.
A win for Harper and us
It is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Once this clown allows 25,000 so called refugees into this country, we will have the fight brought to us. Perfect scenario to allow ISIS lowlifes to infiltrate this country.
Well here is where I side with "the left".
We could, should have been doing more. While we do need to mindful of the inherent risk, and that includes there are a lot of "refugees" who naturally are taking advantage of the situation, seeking only economic gain. Sure the left trotted out our past glorious "reputation" of taking people in. Times were different.
But when have we ever been afraid, and letting that stop us. Are we afraid of them? Is it really that much different than the accusations levelled at JT? Or those who think we should "pull them out".
/wink
There's a lot to be said for leading by example.
Again, the person to listen to was and is R. Hilliard who rightfully called both to task for not doing enough.
Sacrifice entails some over there and some here at home. No different than WWII. It's not an either or, it's both.
It most certainly is not the same as during WWII. We weren't fighting Muslims whi were bent on the destruction of the West !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
/sigh
Why do people take for sort of general comments so literally, making them so out of context.
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Sacrifice entails some over there and some here at home. No different than WWII. It's not an either or, it's both
When does war ever, not entail sacrifice at home?
Didn't the war effort of WWII require sacrifice both….there…..and here?
Yes times are a different, last I checked I lived in reality, not yesteryear or Utopia. So the sacrifices we need to make here at home are guess what……A little different than they were in 1942.
Are you really that afraid of some bloodshed, some risk, even if it might happen here at home? Perhaps it's the people who don't understand some risk we have to take…who really are the fraidy cats.
Do you think you know better than this man? Does anybody?
Not only does he have a logistical plan that makes utter sense, its more than doable. The numbers of refugees (well lets leave that open, I don't nesseccarily agree with 50k) but the more we quibble over that, the less anything is getting done period.
Read it. Doing the right thing isn't always isn't easy, but its the right thing none the less
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...tmas-1.3225732
Sorry if you think I would send him on a way trip!! Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe he could talk Isil/Isis into dropping their weapons , smoke a big doobie and the whole world will live happily ever after.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Please tell me where I can order a pair of those rose coloured glasses that you seem to view everything through!!
What have we accomplished so far in the air campaign ? maybe training and supplying of anti isl fighters would be better for the overall cause and better economically
I have more then enough to eat at home
Might I ask why you care ? Has a Sunni ever done anything to you or someone you know personally ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
I'm just trying to figure out the Muslim fear we have on here. I can't find anywhere on the Internet of a Muslim extremist attack on our soil against our civilian population.
There are a couple of lone wolf crazies yes but that's in any race or religion.
I have more then enough to eat at home