Does anyone have experience with this cartridge for coyote hunting?
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Does anyone have experience with this cartridge for coyote hunting?
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I was considering getting the rifle for that; but the ammo availability is questionable. Decided on .223 for coyotes
I think Species has one if memory serves correctly so hopefully he can help you out. , I was interested but am hoping CZ introduces one or perhaps Ruger.
Ya, changed my mind. Now leaning towards a used 22-250
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Your memory serves correctly. I have a Savage with 21 inch heavy stainless barrel and boyds laminated stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
I would not use it on coyotes except if there is no wind and i was shooting off a rest. Under those conditions i would use it for head shots inside 100 yards.
The niche no one needed filled
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Originally Posted by Species8472
How does it shoot , and how is ammo availability ?
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Originally Posted by blasted_saber
You may be correct Saber. After my 22 mag I think I would look at the 17 hornet or just go ith a .223. But guns are fun and no harm in expereminting.
Shoots 0.5 to 0.75 inch groups at 100 yards if I do my part. Ammo availability has not been an issue to date - always in stock so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
In terms of down range energy it carries as much energy at 60 yards as a 22mag does at the muzzle, as much at 130 yards as a 17hmr at the muzzle and at 250 yards it is still carrying more than than a 22LR. Flight characteristics (but not energy) are similar to a .222 rem.
Thanks for the intel Species.
Is it a rimfire like the little 17HMR? If so, what will ammo be like to find in 20-40 years? I would sooner go with a standard Centerfire such as a 222 or Hornet that has been necked to 17 caliber. If I had a use for a 17 caliber up here......
Yes its a rimfire and I agree. I have owned 17 hornets and fireballs and remingtons. Any one of the those are considerably better than the WSM mostly because they are 3650 to 4400 fps verses a claimed 3000 and the ammo choices/gun choices are better.
In small cal terms 650 fps difference is a country mile!
I'm sure they are fun.
"If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 foot-pounds or ...."Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
That's the niche it fills better than anything so far.
From a technical standpoint however, it's hard to compare it to centerfire ammo. If the legal aspect does not apply to one, don't buy it.
22-250 is a good choice
AMEN !!! --- Regardless of the plethora of different calibers already available SOME people feel a need to be DIFFERENT . This respective cartridge does not fill a VOID . --- I'm secure enough about my "manhood" that I don't have the urge to stand out . --- If a "needle-blower" is on the agenda (where a 22 rim- or center-fire is not suitable) an air-rifle should suffice . --- I couldn't care less how other people think about it .Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
Nothing to do with manhood or being different. It's a cartridge that is legal for small game 365 days of the year regardless of any other open seasons. This cannot be said for any centerfire rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunner 38
As far as comparing it to other rimfires goes it will do anything a 22 mag/17hmr/22LR will do except it will do it better and at further ranges (at 250 yards you are only 5 inches low with the 17wsm and still carrying more energy than a 22LR at the muzzle). Ammo cost is the same as 22mag or 17hmr. Given the choice I would take the better option every time. Comparing it to an air rifle is laughable as I would love to see you try to take a crow or groundhog at 200+ yards with one. If you think your air rifle can do that or even any of your other rimfires I have some swamp land in Florida for sale. It's right next to a lot that I sold to Blackwolf.
Well said...it all depends on how deep you go in. I like a 22 or rimfire for partridge and that's it. Then straight to big game. Now if I was hunting in the southern areas doing different things I could definitely see some value here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
I would go with .233 unless you reload. 22-250 is a great gun and perfect for what you want, but costs more to feed unless you reload.
<<<< What Mark said!Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I wonder how many states have that 400 ftlb muzzle energy limit. Hard to believe that they made a cartridge of 399 ft lbs just for Ontario deer poachers...lol
Good read/video here...cost seems to be a important factor. Better ballistics than 22 mag easily and also 22 hornet at 2/3 less cost ...17 cents per shot. Where this cartridge shines is 200 plus yards
http://www.scout.com/outdoors/huntin...-win-super-mag
The round costs 40 cents per shell in Canada.
Burnt barrels is another thing to consider with the 22-250. If you want higher hitting power in a 22 cal then you might as well look into upping the caliber and saving your barrel, 243 for varmints is not a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I have a 222 Rem, I want a Hornet but I will not bother with a rimfire that is not a 22 LR, I have grandpas 25 Stevens Long and I know how hard it is to find obsolete rimfire rounds.
never heard of anyone shooting out a barrel hunting coyotes. I guess if you shoot that many, you deserve a new rifle anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
You won't hurt a barrel hunting. Its those range sessions when someone won't give the rifle a rest that does the damage!
Just picked up a tikka T3 lite in triple deuce. Nice light gun. Hoping for good things and this one hasn't seen any use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Mine is a Remington 700, shot like a dream when I was 18, now that I have put on a few years and I don't shoot like I used to my groups have opened up way too much. It is really time to get back to the range and attempt to burn out some barrels, ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jack
The 220 swift and 22-250 are known to have issues with barrels, I was told thw 17 Remington too. The number I see are 5-10K rounds out of a 223 for a barrel depending on how you rest it. The 22-250 looks to be about 2.5K-4K down the tube before you burn it out.
If you want to plink groundhogs the 223 as the 222 is tougher and tougher to find ammo.
I see the 17 caliber guns as an oddity, there are a lot of weird things going on in there, 20 cal guns are similar, really fast, really small hole, tiny bullet. They get moved around in the wind a lot more than the larger bullets and do not have long bullets so they do not hold a great BC, not a long range bullet and rimfires just scare me, I wonder about all the guys who got a 5mm Remington Magnum in the 70s, almost useless guns now, the 17 HM2 is really hard to find as well.
I would not doubt for a second that you get double the barrel life out of a .222 compared to .220 swift, but in context of coyote hunting and occasional target shooting I don't see barrel life as a limitation and would for practical purposes not consider it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
if we were talking about target practice with one of the .300 ultra magnums, I would have a very different point of view
some of the ultra hot weatherby and lazzeroni chamberings have a usefull barrel life well south of 1000 rounds.
Realistically 22-250 is a 1000 round barrel before you see your groups start to open a bit. Doesn't mean it still won't shoot well but simply not as well.
If you do occasional target shooting all you have to do is overheat the barrel and you can destroy it in a hundred rounds.
Who are you kidding? --- Since the weather was nice I straddled my "putt-putt" and went into town . Can.Tire is selling 2 different brands of .17 Winchester Super Magnum ammo (20gr.). The cheaper-one is ~ $23 (~ $26 incl. tax) and the other-one (Hornady) retails for ~ $33 (~ $37.29 incl. tax) . That's ~ $0.52 and ~ $0.75 respectively (per cartridge). Approximately 10 weeks ago (currently sold out) I purchased Win. as well as Rem. 22 Magnums for ~ $15 (40gr.solids) and ~ $16 (40gr.HPs) . Tax incl. ~ $16.95 (solids) and ~ $18.08 (HPs) . Meaning : ~ $0.34 (for one) and ~ $0.36 (for the other) per cartridge . --- If these "charges" appear to be the same to you , I'd suggest , you better hang on to the swamp-land for your own use .Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
If you are buying ammo at can tire on a regular basis you are the candidate for the swamp land. If you do 5 minutes of effective research online you can find it for $18-19 per box of 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunner 38
Took me 30 seconds to find the Winchester Brand you mentioned for $17.95 Cdn in stock. If I actually put some effort in I could probably find it for less than this.
EXACTLYQuote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
So do you apply this mentality to centre fire cartridges?Quote:
Originally Posted by standup
If you do than you must believe that there is no use for anything other .303 British where big game in Ontario is concerned. All those other calibre's like 30-06, .308, 270, 7mm rem mag etc. that were developed after the .303 are no more capable for big game in Ontario. I doubt you are of that opinion - so what's with the double standard?
The only ammo I ever buy are rim-fires ; for the last ~ 60 years I've hand-loaded all my centre-fire-ammo . I generally pick-up the needed supplies ~ once a year (at Higginsons , Hawkesbury) when on the way to my grand-children (Quebec) , sooo , I don't incur any additional expenses (shipping or gas) . --- These .17 Win. Super Mags. don't seem to be available in too many places ; meaning : You'd have to waste time and gas or shipping-charges to obtain them (adding to the HIGH price) . --- Can. Tire only had them because no-one wanted them . --- 10 years from now they probably won't be around anymore . --- Better keep the swamp-land , you may need it yet .
G38, after 2 or 3 posts each, it is clear neither of us will change our opinions. Let's just agree to disagree. Further banter is pointless. If you are ever in Mono I'll buy you a beer and if I'm ever in Shannonville you can buy me a beer. Whoever ends up with the swamp can invite the other over to hunt it.
Merry Christmas.
Fair enough ! --- Merry Christmas .Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
I shot one and it grouped under an inch at 100 yards. It's loud though.