.17 Winchester Super Magnum

[patvetzal]

Is it a rimfire like the little 17HMR? If so, what will ammo be like to find in 20-40 years? I would sooner go with a standard Centerfire such as a 222 or Hornet that has been necked to 17 caliber. If I had a use for a 17 caliber up here......

[Big Jack]

Yes its a rimfire and I agree. I have owned 17 hornets and fireballs and remingtons. Any one of the those are considerably better than the WSM mostly because they are 3650 to 4400 fps verses a claimed 3000 and the ammo choices/gun choices are better.

In small cal terms 650 fps difference is a country mile!

I'm sure they are fun.

[Waftrudnir]

The niche no one needed filled

"If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 foot-pounds or ...."

That's the niche it fills better than anything so far.
From a technical standpoint however, it's hard to compare it to centerfire ammo. If the legal aspect does not apply to one, don't buy it.
22-250 is a good choice

[Gunner 38]

The niche no one needed filled

AMEN !!! --- Regardless of the plethora of different calibers already available SOME people feel a need to be DIFFERENT . This respective cartridge does not fill a VOID . --- I'm secure enough about my "manhood" that I don't have the urge to stand out . --- If a "needle-blower" is on the agenda (where a 22 rim- or center-fire is not suitable) an air-rifle should suffice . --- I couldn't care less how other people think about it .

[Species8472]

AMEN !!! --- Regardless of the plethora of different calibers already available SOME people feel a need to be DIFFERENT . This respective cartridge does not fill a VOID . --- I'm secure enough about my "manhood" that I don't have the urge to stand out . --- If a "needle-blower" is on the agenda (where a 22 rim- or center-fire is not suitable) an air-rifle should suffice . --- I couldn't care less how other people think about it .

Nothing to do with manhood or being different. It's a cartridge that is legal for small game 365 days of the year regardless of any other open seasons. This cannot be said for any centerfire rifle.

As far as comparing it to other rimfires goes it will do anything a 22 mag/17hmr/22LR will do except it will do it better and at further ranges (at 250 yards you are only 5 inches low with the 17wsm and still carrying more energy than a 22LR at the muzzle). Ammo cost is the same as 22mag or 17hmr. Given the choice I would take the better option every time. Comparing it to an air rifle is laughable as I would love to see you try to take a crow or groundhog at 200+ yards with one. If you think your air rifle can do that or even any of your other rimfires I have some swamp land in Florida for sale. It's right next to a lot that I sold to Blackwolf.

[Camp Red Maple]

Nothing to do with manhood or being different. It's a cartridge that is legal for small game 365 days of the year regardless of any other open seasons. This cannot be said for any centerfire rifle.

As far as comparing it to other rimfires goes it will do anything a 22 mag/17hmr/22LR will do except it will do it better and at further ranges (at 250 yards you are only 5 inches low with the 17wsm and still carrying more energy than a 22LR at the muzzle). Ammo cost is the same as 22mag or 17hmr. Given the choice I would take the better option every time. Comparing it to an air rifle is laughable as I would love to see you try to take a crow or groundhog at 200+ yards with one. If you think your air rifle can do that or even any of your other rimfires I have some swamp land in Florida for sale. It's right next to a lot that I sold to Blackwolf.

Well said...it all depends on how deep you go in. I like a 22 or rimfire for partridge and that's it. Then straight to big game. Now if I was hunting in the southern areas doing different things I could definitely see some value here.

[line052]

I would go with .233 unless you reload. 22-250 is a great gun and perfect for what you want, but costs more to feed unless you reload.

[DGearyFTE]

I would go with .233 unless you reload. 22-250 is a great gun and perfect for what you want, but costs more to feed unless you reload.

<<<< What Mark said!

[patvetzal]

I wonder how many states have that 400 ftlb muzzle energy limit. Hard to believe that they made a cartridge of 399 ft lbs just for Ontario deer poachers...lol

[Camp Red Maple]

Good read/video here...cost seems to be a important factor. Better ballistics than 22 mag easily and also 22 hornet at 2/3 less cost ...17 cents per shot. Where this cartridge shines is 200 plus yards
http://www.scout.com/outdoors/huntin...-win-super-mag