Closer to home....

... hunting dog shot in head & buried in Algonquin Park

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/o...park-1.3864379

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So they shot the dog by accident and buried the evidence.

If they only knew how much heartache a missing dog brings to an owner.

I had a dog stolen . He would be 18 now so long dead but still .....

I highly doubt it was an accident.

It sure wasn't the owner, more than likely a neighbouring camp who are ticked off or an anti dog camp.

Shouldn't be too hard to find out who was hunting in the area and put the heat on them until someone talks.

Then go after them with the fullest extent of the law.

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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha

Sharon, I'm not convinced that they shot the dog by accident.
Why shoot it in the head?
Hopefully the shooters fingerprints are on that collar.
Odd that the shooter did not remove and dispose of that gps tracking collar.

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Maybe it looked like a coyote to them.

isn't AP closed to hunting..?

A similar story from a friend in Germany just a few days ago. A dog went missing while hunting. The GPS signal went dead. Finally they located the dead dog sans the GPS collar shot and covered by some brush.
Perhaps a case of mistaken identity (target).

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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha

I know nothing about hunting with dogs.
In the field, do your hunting dogs wear blaze orange collars?
I know of the pretty setters, labs and the beagles. I see your avatars, do not know the name of those breeds but they don't look anything like a coyote to me.
Is there a breed of hunting dog that could, reasonably, be mistaken for a yote?

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Only by a moron !!

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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha

I know nothing about hunting with dogs.
In the field, do your hunting dogs wear blaze orange collars?
I know of the pretty setters, labs and the beagles. I see your avatars, do not know the name of those breeds but they don't look anything like a coyote to me.
Is there a breed of hunting dog that could, reasonably, be mistaken for a yote?

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I don't hunt with my lab but he wears blaze orange from the opening of moose until ice up.



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Originally Posted by vom Dufenshmirtz

isn't AP closed to hunting..?

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Dog may have been shot outside the park and buried within it.

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Mine wear orange collars.
If I read correctly , one of the reasons some areas have been closed to coyote hunting is that people mistake them for a wolf and have shot wolves. Obviously mistakes are made.

Even so, the person should have had the integrity to try to contact the owner and be a man/woman.

I am not defending the person but it could be easy to think it was a coyote. Twice of have seen blonde yotes and other than their ears they looked just like my goldens. Even my hubby thought it was one of our dogs eating apples under the apple tree. Last year I saw a yote that was black/tan. It looked just like a german shepard until it got up close. I didn't shoot at first because I thought it was the neighbours dog and then it was to late.
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From the report this dog had a tracking collar, more than likely had a regular collar as well. Pretty hard not to see those collars even at a fair range.
Am guessing this was a hound....not many hounds look like any sort of coyote

I doubt there was any confusion in this case.

Mistaken identity, confusion, uncertainty, yara yara yara . No excuse whatsoever ! If you're not one hundred percent absolutely certain what you are aiming at, you shouldn't pull the trigger.
Whatever happened, the person behind the trigger is GUILTY without a reasonable doubt period and deserves to be prosecuted if caught.

Feel bad for the dog. Interesting that it was found in an area where hunting is prohibited. Wonder if the owner was hunting within the park or getting the dogs to push the deer out onto legal hunting property. Anyone performing the 3 S's on a dog is going to do it there on the spot I would think.

My main suspect at this stage might be the owner.

There is that southern part of the park where hunting is permitted ... does that include use of dogs?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

My main suspect at this stage might be the owner.

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I doubt that very much unless he is a complete moron for leaving a gps collar on the dog that can easily be traceable through the serial number not to mention the high cost of such device and the fact that if the unit happens to be a Garmin Alpha or Astro, he may end up facing legal issues.
I believe they are banned from use in Canada since the frequency they operate on is unlicensed, but don't know what repercussions would be involved if any.

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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha

Why do you say that Gilroy?
Something pointing to the owner?
Geesh...pretty cruel world we live in.
People can be just so mean!

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Because he is Gilroy.

Woman found injured at bottom of basement stairs surrounded by dirty laundry. Gilroy suspects attempted murder by husband/boyfriend.

When you've been involved in investigations you realize that what is "obvious" is often not what happened.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

When you've been involved in investigations you realize that what is "obvious" is often not what happened.

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and once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth ! Arthur Conan Doyle.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Because he is Gilroy.

Woman found injured at bottom of basement stairs surrounded by dirty laundry. Gilroy suspects attempted murder by husband/boyfriend.

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Considering the number of women subject to domestic violence each year your remark is poorly received.

Now back to the original OP and press account, this raised some questions:


Ontario Provincial Police are asking the public for help after a hunting dog was shot to death and buried in an Algonquin Park game preserve.
On Monday, the dog's owner called police and said friends had found his dog's body in the sprawling provincial park west of Ottawa, said Const. Catherine Yarmel of the OPP's Killaloe detachment.

Q. The dogs owner called police and said friends had found his dogs body in the.....

OK he had GPS and all the other gear to locate the dog himself how come he had not searched for and located his own dog, it was found buried to I assume the GPs was working.Had this owner reported the dog lost to anyone,apart from his friends.
The dog had been shot in the head, said police. It was​ wearing an electronic radio collar equipped with GPS that hunters typically use to keep track of their dogs while hunting.

Q. The dog being shot in the head indicated to me it was very close to who shot it,tends to rule out a random hunter taking a pot shot at the dog from his watch.
The dog's body had been buried in a game preserve in the park, said the OPP, where hunting is prohibited.
Police have not said where exactly in the 7,630 square-kilometre park the dog was found.
Anyone with information can call Pembroke/Renfrew County Crime Stoppers at 613-735-8477 or toll-free at 1-800-222-8477

The owner could have got upset for the dog running trash game or what not and in a rage simply shot his own dog.Buried it and did not even consider "his friends" might go looking for the dog.

People do all sorts of stupid things on the spur of the moment,like in domestic murders.

I know of hunting camps that "cull" dogs that run trash game or otherwise become a pain in the butt.Happens probably a lot more frequent than we imagine.

So yeh for me the owner would be the first to be interviewed and questioned.

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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha

I see your points Gilroy.
The dog owner, if he did it, is a 4 square moron....first shoots dog, leaves gps collar on dog, digs up dog he buried AND calls police who will investigate.
Hope if it is the owner that he gets the book thrown at him harder than if the dog killer is a stranger. To me, it seems somehow more sad if it is that dogs owner. That dog trusted his master!
Poor dog :(

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Well the owner did not dig up the dog , the news paper report indicated the owners "friends" located the dog buried in the bush.After the dog was located by the friends the owner then called the police.If it was my dog and I was the owner I would be out tracking it but their could be a logical reason he was not,might have had to return to work or otherwise be out of camp which I assume he was.

All I,am saying is that there is as much likely hood an irate owner of a dog shooting it in the head as some random hunter/anti hunter
shooting it in the head. If it was either of the other two I suggest they were also morons for leaving the GPS on the body of the dog.
That should probably had been ditched in the first pond or lake.

They probably will not go into a ballistic test and all that,but the shooting is pretty sad.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Considering the number of women subject to domestic violence each year your remark is poorly received.

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You did not think very much about what I said did you. MOST abused women will say that they tripped and hurt them self, not say their husband/boyfriend hurt them. So much for saying you had instincts to wonder about the story behind the Story.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

You did not think very much about what I said did you. MOST abused women will say that they tripped and hurt them self, not say their husband/boyfriend hurt them. So much for saying you had instincts to wonder about the story behind the Story.

You may even be the cop that came banging on my door one day to ask questions about an exgirlfriend that was beat up. Even though I lived over three thousand Kilometres away he grilled me for two hours about it, because when she was awake, she would break down and cry saying my name and that she was sorry. Don't tell me about Abuse from your F'ing high horse, I have seen more then enough to last me several life times.

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The entire tone of your posts conveys enough about where your coming from and the fact you can turn a post about a shot dog into an issue about your past domestic problems. The readers on here have you figured out already,maybe best to just delete your ravings.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The entire tone of your posts conveys enough about where your coming from and the fact you can turn a post about a shot dog into an issue about your past domestic problems. The readers on here have you figured out already,maybe best to just delete your ravings.

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Here read the important part about what I was saying..

"You did not think very much about what I said did you. So much for saying you had instincts to wonder about the story behind the Story."

[COLOR=#333333]" So much for saying you had instincts to wonder about the story behind the Story."

Are these your words because they are not mine? I have my opinion about the story and gave it.You on the other hand decided to give an opinion about me.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

[COLOR=#333333]" So much for saying you had instincts to wonder about the story behind the Story."

Are these your words because they are not mine? I have my opinion about the story and gave it.You on the other hand decided to give an opinion about me.

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An opinion that you have a habit of looking beyond what was said, and noticing things that where NOT said... holes in the story's logic. Your doing the math and when 2 + 2 =3 you call BS. Or has your trained and experienced investigative mind slipped away.

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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha

Whoa. I, for one, did not think that anyone was turning a post about a shot dog into something about their past domestic problems. I thought he was trying to point out that just because the husband/boyfriend might be the first suspect that there were also other possibilties. When he posted about the hurt lady, the laundry and the stairs, MY first thought was that she tripped and fell down the stairs.

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OR....was pushed ! Appearances are very often deceiving! An investigator would not take them at face value.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

An investigator would not take them at face value.

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The traits that I was crediting Gilroy with.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

So they shot the dog by accident and buried the evidence.

If they only knew how much heartache a missing dog brings to an owner.

I had a dog stolen . He would be 18 now so long dead but still .....

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I am a member of this group and yes you can hunt in certain parts of the park under a special permit and a regulated hunting camp licence . The dog was a small beagle with a blaze orange radio collar, no mistaking it for anything else. The "friends" who found the dog only did so because it was still wearing the radio collar otherwise it wouldn't have been found. They were out tracking the radio signal with the intention of retrieving a live dog at the time.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

If it was my dog and I was the owner I would be out tracking it but their could be a logical reason he was not,might have had to return to work or otherwise be out of camp which I assume he was.

All I,am saying is that there is as much likely hood an irate owner of a dog shooting it in the head as some random hunter/anti hunter
shooting it in the head. If it was either of the other two I suggest they were also morons for leaving the GPS on the body of the dog.
That should probably had been ditched in the first pond or lake. They probably will not go into a ballistic test and all that,but the shooting is pretty sad.

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You are mistaken. We were all in the camp at the time, including the dog owner when two members went out to track the missing dog. Normally the owner and another member go out if a dog is not retrieved immediately. That day another member volunteered to search for the dog while the owner stayed in camp. Also, the media and or police got the type of collar wrong as we use only radiotelemetry Dog tracking collars, and not GPS.

Barfly, my heart goes out to all of you.
I'm sorry.
No one should have been making assumptions at all.
Truly, we should not have been discussing theories.
We should let the police who are actively working this case do the talking.
We need to be more careful of what we say because parts of this thread will hurt the owner if he sees it.

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Originally Posted by OneBarfly

You are mistaken. We were all in the camp at the time, including the dog owner when two members went out to track the missing dog. Normally the owner and another member go out if a dog is not retrieved immediately. That day another member volunteered to search for the dog while the owner stayed in camp. Also, the media and or police got the type of collar wrong as we use only radiotelemetry Dog tracking collars, and not GPS.

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Barfly,
Thank you for coming on board with some clarification. Truly a tragedy when this type of thing happens. One has to wonder who else was hunting in the area or....how well do you know your neighbouring camps/hunters
Sorry to read/hear this!

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Originally Posted by OneBarfly

You are mistaken. We were all in the camp at the time, including the dog owner when two members went out to track the missing dog. Normally the owner and another member go out if a dog is not retrieved immediately. That day another member volunteered to search for the dog while the owner stayed in camp. Also, the media and or police got the type of collar wrong as we use only radiotelemetry Dog tracking collars, and not GPS.

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Sorry to hear about the dog so do you have any idea why this would happen.

Welcome to the forum.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Sorry to hear about the dog so do you have any idea why this would happen.

Welcome to the forum.

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I don't know why this person decided that the dog had to be killed. Your guess is as good as mine. Could have been a "day hunter" who felt that his territory was being infringed, a psychopath, a poacher, who knows. I do hope that this person has a big mouth and is discovered.

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Originally Posted by OneBarfly

I am a member of this group and yes you can hunt in certain parts of the park under a special permit and a regulated hunting camp licence . The dog was a small beagle with a blaze orange radio collar, no mistaking it for anything else. The "friends" who found the dog only did so because it was still wearing the radio collar otherwise it wouldn't have been found. They were out tracking the radio signal with the intention of retrieving a live dog at the time.

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Sad set of circumstances indeed, hope they catch the dirt bag and throw the book at him.
On another note, I thought that radio telemetry collars were also recently banned fro use in Canada by our friendly Canadian government.

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Originally Posted by sidelock

Sad set of circumstances indeed, hope they catch the dirt bag and throw the book at him.
On another note, I thought that radio telemetry collars were also recently banned fro use in Canada by our friendly Canadian government.

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Only some models because of the frequencies they use. Other are allowed because they operate on allowed frequencies. The banned collar in question can be made( at the factory or by a skilled tech) to operate on allowed frequencies. But the company would have to change the model name/number and have it approved by Industry Canada.