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The public consultation period for this EBR posting will end January 11/17 if anyone is interested in putting in their $.02 worth. It looks like some small game species will be all lumped together for open seasons and bag limits regardless of which WMU we hunt. I'm not sure if it'll be good or bad. This EBR can be found on the Environmet Ministry website.
Yea, I never like it when they say things like "simplify regulations for hunters"....LOL..Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
And also recently announced (dec 14, open to Jan 30th)
EBR 012-9169
Small game and fur bearers, which is far larger in scope. In short, large scale changes to the way the MNR approaches management.
https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...language=en%3f
I would like to see the limit of European hare be lowered.
That might be a problem. Their idea of management and our idea of management are two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
For a non-native species known to take over and destroy ecosystems in other parts of the world, ya right.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishhawk
I don't know how you would comment on this, they are so vast and vague, they have no idea what they are going to change but it is sure to cost a heck of a lot of money.
Your right Fox, reading thru the .pdf booklet "Small Game and Furbearer Management Framework" is an exercise in wading thru ministerial baffle gab; specifically written not to really say anything, very obtuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
It's almost like the sole purpose is to re-write the regulations to include 'habitat' involvement to substantiate the "F" they adopted in the new MNR title. :)
You are right they are a non native species but they have been here a while and considered a game animal with a open season and bag limit. You probably don't hunt them or care to see them around but other hunters in Ontario do. They are managed by the MNRF that's there job, I would like them to step in and do something before its to late and they go the way of the Bobwhite. I know they will do nothing about it, but I said I would like to see them do something.Quote:
For a non-native species known to take over and destroy ecosystems in other parts of the world, ya right.
I don't know how you would comment on this, they are so vast and vague, they have no idea what they are going to change but it is sure to cost a heck of a lot of money.
We really need to read the separate links at the bottom of the statement to try to get a grasp of what the OMNRF propose to do. You're sure right about bureaucratic bafflegab. That's the most masterful bullshytery I've seen for quite a while.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I grew up in Waterloo, used to go hunting for "Jacks" and only ever missed the jacks and shot cottontails.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishhawk
I like the idea of a new hunting species but since they are not native and they bring no money they will not get the same protection, the same as the Hungarian Partridge.
Pheasants on the other hand, Chinese imports that the government can make a ton off of, they will bring those things into everywhere.
The european hares do have the potential to be as bad as hogs, we are actually lucky that we have native rabbits so that the predators already know what to do with them before things end up like Australia.
I honestly would like to see more protection for fence rows in SW Ontario for grouse and cottontails, varying hares as well, they used to be numerous but the change to the style of bush and the draining of swamps really hurt them.
I was reading through the links yesterday hence why I linked it this thread as well. I'm used to reading legalese, but that "bafflegab"....lol
Still not done reading them all thoroughly, and yeah concerned about all proposed changes we are supposed to comment on, but aren't explained. Kind of par for the coarse for this admin. Think ORPP, think Carbon Tax, think....oh so much.....
Some parts on the surface though do seem encouraging.
What might be worthwhile, is to ask the MNR, under the proposed link to EBR Registry Number 012-9169, what do they propose to do with the small game license....would it still be required as the basic seal..when their proposed framework states:Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
ie...why do I need a small game seal to hunt Turkey ?Quote:
The policy documents that guide management related to Wolves (Canis spp.) and Coyotes (Canis latrans) as well as Wild Turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) are separate from this small game and furbearer management framework. Primary management direction for these species is provided by the Strategy for Wolf Conservation in Ontario (2005) and by the Wild Turkey Management Plan for Ontario (2007) respectively.
Seems they could adopt a 'Hunting' seal (vice 'Small Game') on the Outdoor card to cover everything and then, for example, sell the license and tag combo, like they do with Turkey and Deer, to hunt specific small game.
Wait..that would generate them more money...NAW, they would never do that :)
Coyote tags now in every area of the province, $30 a pop, seems about rightQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I wonder what a 3 yr Hunter 'conservation' seal would cost..LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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Originally Posted by Fox
Hey you guys,pipe down. Let's not give the idiots any more dumb ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Well said fox, the disappearance of swamps,fencelines and habit is what needs to be protected. We all know that will never happen so reduce bag limits , that wont improve anything!.