We shall see what this brings.
Introduction of government bills http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVie...notice/page-12
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We shall see what this brings.
Introduction of government bills http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVie...notice/page-12
It's coming.....may not be in the same form as the last one, but it's coming!!!!!!
The "Ending the Long Gun Registry Act" did a lot of things other than ending the long gun registry. The fact that the Libs intend to amend it should not be taken to mean they're going to bring back the registry.
But don't let that interfere with the conclusion everyone loves to jump to!
Not jumping to any conclusions Welsh as I said we shall see what this brings. Best as I can Figure is by amending the act they can give Quebec the old records from the registry that they want so badly regardless if the info is up to date or not. Then the next question is what is to stop other provinces from getting the records and starting provincial registries.??
I could be wrong but ....
I don't think this is the beginning of a registry, but the firearms marking scheme the Libranos have passed, will result in a registry.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Any notion of a long gun type registry would be political suicide now in Canada.
I tried to read the link,but,keep getting an "error"message. Maybe,it was yanked before there's a shyte storm? Oh,wait,I checked on CGN.............too late.:rolleye:
It seems to be an issue, they are saying to provide Quebec data from April 3, 2015 ..... but it was supposed to be destroyed 2 weeks later ... It seems that the Liberals are saying deleting the records was unconstitutional .... even thought the Supreme court ruled they could. The Lieberals seem to have taken their talking points and they won't create a new registry, just restore what the Conservatives shouldn't have been allowed to destroy int he name of public safety, the constitution, the charger of rights and the Ottawa parking rules.... blah blah blah....
Brian Liley once again covering what the Liebrals don't want questioned and the media won't report
https://www.therebel.media/what_the_...e_gun_registry
Where ever this data from April 3,2015 is coming from I wonder if 2012 data is there too .... (Hence the Alberta high river claims), if it is we can be guaranteed there won't be charges for breaking the law when the registry is restored, probably right after the next election and with CBC probably doing a dozen or so anti-firearm shows with their payoff ....well it will be interesting the Libranoes are in power.
Want to bet a few bucks on that? :)
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Originally Posted by welsh
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I've read the text of the bill, so it's hardly fair to take your money. But if you want to make a bet, we can just cut to the chase and you can EFT me however much money you like.
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I wasn't talking about this specific bill. But the registry is coming back in the not to distant future. You do know the data wasn't really destroyed, right.
Define "not too distant."
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I would say within 5 years or during this mandate it will come out that they have the data. Now many people will think this data is completely useless but in reality it can be used it's not perfect but still useful.
I look forward to mocking you mercilessly five years hence.
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You need to pay off your old bets before you start placing new ones 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
The Libtards don't need a registry, they will just let the RCMP reclassify guns they don't like to prohib.
HaHa...Better yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Rugger
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06..._17005032.htmlQuote:
It Will Soon Be Legal To Challenge A Duel In Canada
For years, it has been illegal for Canadians to invite or accept a duel. But the Liberal government announced this week that it intends to change that — making nemeses across the country rejoice.
Sort of like this ...Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
https://firearmrights.ca/en/rcmp-onc...of-gun-owners/
Today, RCMP Firearms Program posted a new memo on their website with yet another re-interpretation of legislation surrounding firearms-re-classification of 80% receivers.
Gun owners are still reeling from the impact of Goodale’s Bill C-52, an amendment to the Act to end the Long Gun Registry that re-opens the data out of Quebec and encourages the province to attain it. According to RCMP Deputy Commissioner testimony, that data was destroyed.
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For a party that promised open, transparent, fact-based decision making, they are not living up to their campaign promises.
Amazing how destroyed data can reappear .... https://www.therebel.media/what_the_...e_gun_registry
Gun owners are reeling?
Love the hyperbole.
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Which bets?
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Originally Posted by Rugger
Do you really believe the data is gone???
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Originally Posted by welsh
Well according to the news there is a copy 1 of Quebec data and one of the complete registry. I wonder now if the know about the others?
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Originally Posted by welsh
According to what I've seen, there is a vopybof the Quebec data -- a copy we've known about for two years that has been sealed and preserved by court order.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Can you post a link to a report that there is a complete copy of the registry?
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Now how can Trudeau create a registry without creating a Federal Firearm Registry, can we say Quebec?? Give Quebec a bunch of money + the data and Quebec can then lease it out to other provinces.
Come on Welsh you must have also know that the data was not destroyed. Heck there are still sections of it all over the place as well.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/15...-to-destroy-it
Key point.
“Under the previous administration, a complete copy of Canadian Firearms Information System (CFIS) from April 3, 2015 was maintained by the RCMP in a secure location due to an investigation by the Information Commissioner into an Access to Information request received in March 2012,” Bardsley said.
Another copy, this one just containing the Quebec gun registry records requested by the Information Commissioner is kept under seal by the court while the case is being heard.
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Originally Posted by welsh
Uh ... except that other provinces haven't asked for this and the federal government can't force them to do it, so you don't get a national registry that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Nobody knows this. You believe it. There's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I asked for a report and you give me an opinion column by Brian Lilley. Opinion columns typically play fast and loose with the facts and Lilley is, furthermore, one of Canada's least accurate journalists.
Instead of relying on Lilley, I read Lilley's source, a statement by Goodale. That statement does not say what Lilley claims it says. In fact, it says the opposite: that all non-Quebec records were destroyed before the "complete copy" Lilley refers to was made.
The copy that exists is a complete copy of the registry, including Quebec LGR data and restricted/prohib data for other provinces.
Mistaking belief for knowledge is a mistake.
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I'm not sure why anyone would argue about the past registry info? If it does exist, it's all outdated and worthless info now. Personally, I don't care if the old info is out there, it's all a moot point now.
..... well so much for Supreme court decisions and the laws of Canada .... Let's add a bit more detail.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/15...-to-destroy-it
Goodale’s press secretary, Scott Bardsley, confirmed to me via email that two copies of the registry still exist all thanks to Harper era Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney.
“Under the previous administration, a complete copy of Canadian Firearms Information System (CFIS) from April 3, 2015 was maintained by the RCMP in a secure location due to an investigation by the Information Commissioner into an Access to Information request received in March 2012,” Bardsley said.
Another copy, this one just containing the Quebec gun registry records requested by the Information Commissioner is kept under seal by the court while the case is being heard.
Yes, that’s right, there are still copies of parts of the gun registry and it is thanks to the Conservatives and not the Liberals.
What is significant about the date of April 3, 2015 is that it is exactly one week prior to the date the RCMP claims they began destruction of all the Quebec registry records. Testifying before a Commons committee on June 4, 2015, Deputy Commissioner Peter Henschel told MPs the Quebec records had been destroyed, just like the records for the rest of Canada.
“The RCMP deleted the remaining Quebec records from the Canadian Firearms Information System between April 10 to April 12, 2015,” Henschel said.
Turns out, that testimony wasn’t true and now the hard drive copy the Mounties have will be turned over to Quebec, after the passage of bill C-52, to allow the province to start their own gun registry.
May 5, 2012 - C-19, the Ending the Long-gun Registry Act, receives Royal Assent and becomes law
October 26-31, 2012 - all of the long-gun registry data outside of Quebec is deleted by the RCMP
March 27, 2015 - The Supreme Court rules that Quebec has no legal right to the registry data and Parliament can have it deleted
April 3, 2015 - RCMP make a full backup of all data in the Canadian Firearms Information System including the Quebec portion of the registry
April 10-12, 2015 - RCMP deletes the Quebec portion of the registry but not backup they have placed on a hard drive
October 19, 2015 - Justin Trudeau and the Liberals replace Stephen Harper and the Conservatives after winning the election
June 9, 2017 - Liberal introduce bill C-52 offering Quebec the registry data, despite their election promise not to start a new gun registry
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.... seems Blaney shouldn't even have got a passing grade when graded by firearms groups.... "F" IF Goodale isn't creating fiction! Now the Lib's don't have to create a new one.... So it suggest there are two copies, the full ??? and the Quebec only copies! Guess I had better watch Brian Lilley and theRebel, they will cover stories that the Libs don't want Canadians to know and won't lie like CBC so unless we give the Liebrals the boot in 2019 I would bet they will restore the full one (???) after the next election. The list is out of date but it would take little legislation to require firearm owners to verify what they have and register what they have that isn't on their list ....
Thought I would check Blaney's feeds, on FB,etc. ... believe Goodale that it was Blaney's doing or believe Blaney .... much more likely to believe Blaney myself .... time will tell.
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Steven Blaney
In regards to the wasteful and ineffective long-gun registry, I would like to clearly state the facts. While complying with the injunction for the Quebec portion of the long gun registry, I ordered a full destruction of the registry, anything else would be contrary to the law and the will of Parliament."
The April 3 complete copy was made AFTER the non-Quebec LGR records were deleted. That copy was sealed and retained by COURT ORDER following a challenge by the information commissioner, not the Quebec government.
Nothing here was contrary to the law.
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this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
A few years ago (during our last real winter) in a global warming thread you claimed that you had come up with some type of weather modeling system. According to you and the system the following winter would be colder than the one we were going through. You said you would put $20 on it and I took you up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
You lost. :D
YES...
I agree,absolutely,besides the fact that mere possession of the registry data outside the court order by anyone would be illegal and could be charged with contempt of court,just for starters. I also don't believe that The Liberal Party of Canada is interested in setting themselves up for another stunning defeat over the issue in the next election,especially,in light of the current total meltdown of the Ontario Liberals poised to be permanently banished to the political garbage heap of history and the unmitigated disaster the Trudeau government is turning into. Another gun control final nail-in-the-coffin isn't the most intelligent move,politically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Privacy law will be hard to get around for Quebec trying to get info passed over to them. The easier way of gun control is to unleash the RCMP to change the class of many guns, therefor getting rid of more scary looking guns....
I think there's enough political heat coming down on them to give them pause before they blindly follow their Liberal masters over the abyss.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
It gives the Government and Police a starting point. Many out there if they were to receive a call from the Police to confirm if they own a specific gun or not. Old data can still be useful.
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Originally Posted by Bushmoose
If I were to receive a call from someone asking about firearms, I'd just hang up on them. Let's be real here? Law enforcement agencies are not about to start calling, visiting or attending hundreds of thousands of homes to verify whether or not people still own firearms listed on a defunct registry.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Than again hundreds of thousands voluntarily registered them didn't they.
Many of them would do it again even if they don't like it.
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Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I would hardly call the registry "voluntary" !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Brian Lilley reports the shocking news that despite repeated assurances that the gun registry data had been destroyed, copies remain and C-52 will hand over the data to Quebec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmUYqqGRUpg
Showing videos of the RCMP and Blaney saying the data is destroyed.... once again theRebel covering what the media won't. RCMP and bureaucrats ignoring legal decisions .... why isn't it surprising anymore.
I don't see what good outdated info will do whatsoeverQuote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
One bill that requires PAL owners to respond to the letter that asks "Do you still own these?", which probably 60% have the same firearms is a quick start they can brag about. Now here is the important part, it fulfills their promise not to create a NEW registry. They hum and posture about safety and "dangers", mention UN on CBC and the Toronto star will follow etc. then (using their words, ignoring the 100,000,000 they will waste) "just turn on the old registry" (simplified for the CBC watchers) and spouting "that the Conservatives were so irresponsible.. blah blah blah..." Bob's your uncle and the Liebrals are the saviours of every sheeple in Canada.... and the effect to the deficit is minimal ... 35B, 36B .... what's the diff.....Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
That bill would achieve nothing, because there is no LGR data to work from outside Quebec.
Ignore Lilley. The copy that exists includes Quebec LGR data only. And it was retained because of a court order -- nobody is defying the SCC here. A copy of CFIS as at 3 Apr 2015 was retained under seal, and all LGR data was deleted from the system. This backup is the only known copy & its existence should surprise no one -- it has been discussed on this board in the past.
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If I remember correctly Que also had the largest percentage of non compliance with the gun registry ..making it even more useless.
Flogging a long dead and rotting horse :)
Unless one is served papers by the court, you don't have to accept unknown mail or answer an unknown phone number. Its simple non-compliance. IMO what ever provincial party in Quebec is pushing for it will proly see themselves kicking stones come election time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
It is Quebec we are talking about ... so we shall see...Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Send that letter with tracking and signature to anyone in the old registry and anyone with a PAL and put the RCMP, firearms laws and Liebral unicorn wishes and you can see what happens with the Census but probably worse if you ignore it.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2689125/pr...-might-happen/
1) Warning letter.
2) a fine of up to $500, or up to three months in jail.
But it is all speculation at this time based on repeated lies and extrapolation based on openly hostile and ridiculous ant-firearm statements like Liberal party resolution 42, Senate bill C-223 and Liberal Youth resolution 151 (if I remember the number right).
https://www.ofah.org/downloads/PDF/N...s42Hotline.pdf
Liberal Party of Canada’s Resolution #42
WHEREAS automatic and semiautomatic weapons are illegal
for hunting purposes; and
WHEREAS automatic and semi automatic weapons do not
support the hunting culture found in all parts of Canada;
BE IT RESOLVED that the Liberal Party of Canada urges the
Government of Canada to support legislation to eliminate the
personal use of automatic and semi automatic weapons.
National Women’s Liberal Commission Liberal Party of Nova Scotia
used for hunting.
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http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/03...g-gun-registry
Liberal leadership hopeful Justin Trudeau said Monday in Quebec he'd vote to restore the very same long-gun registry he called "a failure" Friday in Ontario.
Justlied said after this he wouldn't create "a new registry" ...... I am just wondering if they are playing with words again like "tiny debt" ... $10B that they are now talking $38B for this year alone (more than the total he promised for all 4 years of his term) and he then said balanced in 2055 and now when asked yesterday said he won't speculate .... word games???? I wonder.... I mean after all Parliament and the Supreme court both said the data could be destroyed, the RCMP said it was and now a unicorn has brought a copy from the past??
Most would and they registered last time.
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
Possibly,it may not be as outdated as one would think.......... if it was to still exist. We must remember that most hunters and competitors usually buy their firearms ONCE and not many switch them up once they own them. That would make the same firearms in the hands of the same people,therefore,the data would still be intact.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30