Well Trump did what he promised - now watch the Arabs moan and grown - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...assy-move.html - they have been talking peace for so long that no one believes they really want peace - we will see
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Well Trump did what he promised - now watch the Arabs moan and grown - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...assy-move.html - they have been talking peace for so long that no one believes they really want peace - we will see
And mainstream and religious types will blame Trump.
"No, Trump Verifying That Jerusalem Is Israel's Capital Won't Be The Cause Of Violence. Muslim Anti-Semitism Will. Here's The Proof."
http://www.dailywire.com/news/24370/...nt-ben-shapiro
Just so everyone knows what Semitic means, most of the Jewish people in Israel are Europeans, the Arabs are as much or more so Semitic people as the Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
That is besides the point, this is another thumb by the US and the Israeli government to the UN and their mandate. Look at all the non-Arab nations that are up in arms about this, they are going against International law but guess who has the bomb, you got the bomb you make the rules.
It just keeps the war machine going. When you have a particular group running the country(behind the scenes) which way do you really think things are going to go. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
These fanatics take on Isreal at a very high risk. Expect Isreal to crush any attack rapidly as they should.
Who actually "owns" it can be a real point of contention. It was "taken" from the Palestine around '48 to create a country because the Jews had been there before that. Now maybe we should give North America back to the FN, lets see how that goes over.
Palestine is just the area the Romans rename from Judah after the revolt in 130 AD and the Jews were still there in 1947 and before if you look at the Census data and after 1 million Jews+ were driven out of Arab lands the population really exploded in 1948. They occupy a tiny % of the middle eastern space and it isn't about territory so much as it is about the teachings of the Qu'ran and Hadith.
Muhammad beheaded as many as 900 Jews that wouldn't convert in Medina and you see that hatred taught even in Canadian Mosques. When you look at history and you look at the first 300 years of Islam it is all invasions, taking of slaves (number speculated to be many times the US slave trade but hard to tell since they were castrated), making captured children to fight for them (Mamluks)....then more modern we see Turkey and the Armenian genocide where young women were crucified and about 1,500,000 killed and right up to the Taliban. ISIS. Boko Haram, Hamas etc..
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad](may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...jews-1.4209384
Montreal police issue arrest warrant for imam who called for Jews to be killed in sermon
and he isn't unique given the news
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ole-story.html
Mohamed Elmasry - Canadian Islamic Congress - October 19, 2004 (On tv many times and probably on youtube somewhere)
Michel Coren: So everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target?
ELMASRY: Yes, I would say.
In 2006 the Canadian Islamic Congress and the Canadian Arab Federation urged the Canadian government to take Hezbollah and Hamas off its list of designated terrorist organizations and look at what the MP Omar Alghabra has said about Hamas in the past.
If they tell you the attacks and rockets are due to Trump .... ask them why they fired rockets in October and several times in between but a whole barrage in June
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.817395
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.770595
https://www.idfblog.com/wp-content/u...ch-new-EN1.jpg
and just so you don't feel left out, President of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi “participated in prayers over the weekend (Oct 20/21 2012) in which the preacher urged Allah to ‘destroy the Jews and their supporters.’”
This prayer service was broadcast on state-run television in Egypt on Friday. The Anti-Defamation League confirmed that Morsi himself could be plainly seen “mouthing ‘amen.’”
The anti-Semitic prayer included implicit attacks on Christians, Americans, and other “supporters” of Israel. The Cleric stated:
Oh Allah, absolve us of our sins, strengthen us, and grant us victory over the infidels. Oh Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters.
In the end the main enemy of the Arabs that have tagged themselves with the name Palestinian are those that have hundreds of millions in wealth and sit back and tell young men to die so they can get richer!
joel 3-10 plowshares into swords......anyone?
Some inconvenient facts for our "so progressive" anti Semites.
Yeah, why not ... the judgement of the enemies of Israel and God in the end times.....Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...n=HCSB;AMP;OJB
Interesting let me highlight some of it,
2: 32
Then everyone who calls
on the name of Yahweh will be saved,
for there will be an escape
for those on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
as the Lord promised,
among the survivors the Lord calls.
3: 4 And also: Tyre, Sidon, and all the territories of Philistia—what are you to Me? Are you paying Me back or trying to get even with Me? I will quickly bring retribution on your heads.
Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for holy war;
rouse the warriors;
let all the men of war advance and attack!
10
Beat your plows into swords
and your pruning knives into spears.
Let even the weakling say, “I am a warrior.”
11 Come quickly, all you surrounding nations;
gather yourselves.
Bring down Your warriors there, Lord.
12 Let the nations be roused
and come to the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit down
to judge all the surrounding nations.
It is a call for the nations to come and fight and both Muslims and Jews and Christians think that will be the valley of judgement and note those areas mentioned like Sidon and Tyre and those regions relationship to Israel today... oh wait that area is controlled mostly by Hezbollah today.... fighting against God, lots I could say about Islam and that but it isn't relevant to this topic ... yet. They sure are building alot of weapons too, mostly for fighting against Israel.
19 Egypt will become desolate,
and Edom a desert wasteland,
because of the violence done to the people of Judah
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
20 But Judah will be inhabited forever,
and Jerusalem from generation to generation.
* Judah became Palestine under the Romans and is essentially the modern Israel.
It seems in the day of judgement that God will stand with Israel and the world judged .....the Jews have been gathered but except maybe as a preamble to the end times and the judgement Trumps recognition of the fact Jerusalem is the capital, just look where the Knessit sits, has nothing to do with it, unless it is your attempt to distract.
If you've ever had business dealing with arab countries, you'll be pretty quick to realise that there will *never* be peace in the mid-east.
Even if Israel was wiped off the face of the earth, they'd be back to fighting with each other.
The basic premise is that yesterday's compromise is the starting point for today's conflict, and any agreement only lasts for the day it was reached on.
The main fight among Arabs seems to be between Shi'ite and Sunni Muslims and has been so for many hundreds of years. "My God is better than your God" has killed millions of people even though it's the same God (supposedly). Along came the Jews who ended up in the middle of a large "domestic" and we all know what happens,then,don't we.
Fairy tales, chosen people ...hogwash. If you base the future of mankind on which desert dwellers have the best buddy in the sky, we are doomed.
And for once Fisher, we agree !Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Religion is the root of many problems.
The Jewish, Muslim and Christian God is the identical God, they are all fighting over who's interpretation is right and killing millions over it. Don't forget though, the greatest number of people killed in the name of God were killed in the name of the Christian interpretation, once the Roman Emperor converted they worked to take over the world and convert everyone and kill anyone who would not, this is exactly why NA was originally Christian based.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Is Islam Jesus was a prophet very similar to Muhammad, the Jews believe both Jesus and Muhammad existed but that Jesus was not the second coming, they are still waiting.
This is all a bunch of people using religion as a way to become rich, not an unfamiliar issue in history.
Trump is an @$$H0Le
He gave away a massive political victory to the Israelis with nothing in return.
I am a huge Israel supporter
But not 100%...
They do have some problems that, correction of, could help the Mid East peace process.
But to give the Jerusalem issue away for nothing....
This is not Art of the Deal
It is ... 1Gn0R@nt Turd$ should not be POTUS
We don't know that it a deal for nothing......yet. That concept is counter-intuitive to Trump's past practice. Look at it this way. The "status quo" of the past administrations and the UN of leaving the Israeli capitol as a "let's not rock the boat" approach has been a dismal failure. This removes the "safety net",if you will,and will force an agreement. It may not be a bad idea. People get stuck in a rut and sometimes need a swift kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by johny
Dumbest post on here so far ..... Yeah the Jewish and Christian God only differ from the Islamic god in the nature of God, salvation, sin, God's relationship (or lack there of) to man ..... it is far less true than to say a Chevette and a Camaro are the same car because they have the word Chevrolet on them... Nabeel Quereshi an ex-Muslim describes it quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jDTFyHluwQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Second dumbest statement .... Islam and atheism are the only ones in that race for the most killed, Islam is often considered to have killed 200,000,000+ (many say more) with the invasions of Europe, and especially Africa & India and atheism based governments are about 100,000,000 in the 20th century alone. The Armenian genocide was 1,500,000 alone and if you were to include the tens of millions taken by Islam as slaves in Africa alone you can justify a much higher number. Many like to scream the Crusades out of ignorance but the first Crusade was a response to almost 3 centuries of invasions and the fall of Constantinople. Christianity still has an abismal record but the highest I have seen probably includes all the Crusades and the fighting back against the Islamic invasions into Europe (Spain etc.) in 2,000 years of history is 50,000,000, no justification of even half that number that I can see but I can also claim millions saved in orphanages, hospitals etc. as well as education, items the others have little claim to.
** Side note: Some day I have to sit down and do some reading on Dracula's source ..... Vlad the Impaler ..... there seems to be some interesting history there with his fight against the Islamic Caliphate.
Essentially right but no time to debate finer points and why their claim of Jesus being just a prophet is contradicted indirectly in the Qu'ran (Surah 19 if I remember right) is wrong.
Correct! Just look at the Palestinian people, Arafat was poor when born but worth billions by the time he died and we see the same in Hamas etc. They send people out to die for them so they can raise money and give a bit of it to the family of the killer.
As for Trump, for years they got nothing for the status quo .... this should reveal who are open for peace and send those dedicated to war into a fit so we will see.
P.S.
I wonder if the Islamic number includes the Shia/Sunni numbers.... the Iran/Iraq war was 1 to 2 million with chemical weapons thrown in for measure and even today Yemen and Saudi Arabia and Iran are at it.
Cruise missile
http://www.janes.com/article/76140/y...-attack-on-uae
Ballistic missile
http://www.janes.com/article/76102/s...listic-missile
Amen, that pretty much covers it. A lot of gullible people scared of the boogey man.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
AD 312 was the conversion of the Roman Emperor to Christianity, from that point forward you have the expansion into Europe, the conversion or death of the Europeans. Those Europeans then expanded east and west, the slaughter of the people of south and central America as with the expansion and slaughter of people in north America. The overtaking of Africa, as well as the slaughter of those in Africa. All of the European wars after the conversion to Christianity, the holy wars, etc.
Look at the expansion of Christianity throughout the world, this was not done by simply saying "Hey, this one is better"
It is stupid that they fight over the same God but it is just exactly that, the same God. It is the identical lineage, it is not like saying a Chevette vs a Camero, it is like saying a Blue Camero vs a Green Camero, it is the same freaking car, just like it is the same God, they are fighting because one says green is a better colour than blue. This is why organized religion is evil. Believe what you want but using religion as a way to justify the destruction of people that do not believe that religion is asinine. What the Israelis are doing is wrong, what the Palestinians are doing is wrong, what the American south is doing is wrong, it is all wrong. Believe in a magical fairy in the sky, I could care less, bomb your neighbour or drive them out of their homes because they think that fairy has a crown and you do not.
If you honestly believe that then there is no point discussing it more.... have a good day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Trump was treated well and given good nick names in China while we see our idiot PM called little potato..... the world has seen him fire cruise missiles at Assad and actually put a line unlike Obama and mr potato head. If you read Aljazeera the reactions in the Middle East are much more subdued than the insanity the left has been putting out... seems left hates Israel more than many of the Arab kings.
As a Christian I feel blessed - because I have a reason why I am here - I have reason to hope for the future - I have hope after I am dead - for those who don't have this blessing I feel sorrow for you - you are here by accident and don't have any worthwhile reason why your here and when you die you think that is it - you may be in for a big surprise - when you look at Christianity you shouldn't look at what was done in the name of Christianity - look at the teaching of Jesus - judge Christianity on that basis - you don't judge MIT by the students that flunk out - If everyone followed what Jesus taught this would be a wonderful world to live in - to me my faith is the most important thing to me - without it this life is just a waste of time - when I lay on my death bed I have something beautiful to look towards - what have you to look towards - and if you are right and I am wrong - so what - but if I am right and you are wrong - ouch
Good post Joe !!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Note to Moderators-----These threads need a "LIKE" button for posts like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Pray to god for one.:rolleye:
Wonderful testimony Joe. I'm in the same boat but never say it as well as you. Have a wonderful Christmas celebrating His birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
WATCH: RIDICULOUS: State Department Still Refuses To Recognize Jerusalem Is Even In Israel
In an incredible display of the State Department’s continuing decades-long hostility toward the State of Israel, spokesmen for the department demonstrated that they are not willing to give up the ghost of their anti-Israel actions on Friday, as they defied the implications of President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem and would not affirm that even though Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Jerusalem was in Israel.
The State Department, in its hatred for Israel, will not list on US passports that Jerusalem is in the State of Israel. As Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief Ben Shapiro pointed out on Fox News, his niece was born in Jerusalem; her passport only says Jerusalem, and does not mention Israel.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/24492/...ign=benshapiro
Religion has been the bane of mankind for as long as can be remembered. Hundreds of millions have died because conflicting religious beliefs, and it isn't going to end any time soon. I don't really care what religion you follow, if any, as long as you don't use agression against others because of different beliefs. Religion is supposed to promote peace, acceptance and understanding, yet it is so ironic that so called religious followers kill because of differing religious views.
The last part is essentially Pascal's Wager, he was a physicist and mathematician in France, (**See Comment) he was famous for his intellect and there some math and even a computer language named after him. There was much more to his wager though, I will shorten and paraphrase since I just got home from work and I can feel the Maple Crown Whiskey starting to warm me inside (I finished Ashkelon Brandy** Note 2). The Christian actually wins far more being wrong than is usually portrayed, a true follower of Jesus has tried to make the world better and treat others with love, the Christian family includes every race, age and both sexes so a brother or sister is there. Like any family you may fight sometimes but in the end they are still family. So it a win huge and win for the Christian right or wrong, but the unbeliever right and wrong are zero and huge loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
In the end the loss for the Christian means you put your faith in and love into nothing ..... BUT you also put your faith and love into that extended family and receive same back, still winning! In the end it takes an open mind and heart to look and make that decision but just look at the impact of those that have, C.S. Lewis, Alister McGrath, Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell and Malcolm Muggridge, a few examples of ex-atheists and even Nabeel Quereshi an ex-Muslim, they are all known for speaking their faith and there are so many unknown and some less well known are the brother of Christopher Hitchens, Peter.
**Note if you ever go to Paris, skip the Parthenon, the is a small old church near it you should go to, much more interesting architecture in my view and it has a plaque to Blaise Pascal in it. :-)
** Note 2 Israel has some nice wine and the brandy I mentioned is good (final sips were left) but the Sabra Chocolate Orange liquor .... :-) I gotta get more of that!
Where did you get that silly idea??? You obviously have never looked, religion is man's attempt to influence the supernatural and we see Aztecs and Mayan's cutting men's still beating hearts out, Pheonicians and Cartheginians sacrificed children, Celts, early Germanic tribes etc etc. all sacrificed humans and many more. Hindu has the caste system and even looking at the Qu'ran and the Hadith I would say they promote an elitism and promote genocide against Jews and unbelievers. Buddism is about separating yourself from desires and needs, and I could go on and on. I would even argue that atheism could be considered a religion on the loosest definition and we see an escapism and elitism in many there and 100,000,000+ killed in the 20th century alone ... but I will leave it with one quote and the suggestion to read some of the writings of those I just mentioned above and for you to learn IF you want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
"Jesus has exercised so deep an influence that it may be truly said that the simple record of three short years of active life has done more to regenerate and soften mankind than all the disquisitions of philosophers and all the exhortations of moralists. This has indeed been the wellspring of whatever is best and purest in the Christian life." historian and skeptic William Lecky
Well, just off the top of my head I can think of a few instances in modern times.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
- the Muslim, Hindu, Sikh groups battling in the Pakistan/India area
- Nazi Germany trying to eliminate Judaism
- Irish catholics battling Irish protestants
- Muslim, Orthadox, and Catholic groups killing each other in the former Yugoslavia
- the never ending turmoil in the mideast between Jews and Muslims
Two words that will kill any religion....Prove It!
OR Liberal !Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
And really who gives a .
Three words that will do the same..The Bible Story.
That was your really silly comment... but you also seem to dismiss the real impact for good, most don't like looking at both sides of a question so I will leave it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
For most religions that is very true, but for Christianity let's see, it took Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell about 2 years of looking and investigating before they were convinced. C.S. Lewis spent years in discussions with Tolkein. Nabeel Quereshi says his discussions with a Christian that actually had some answers went on for four years. How long would you spend?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
"That which I greatly feared had at last come upon me. In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all England. I did not then see what is now the most shining and obvious thing; the Divine humility which will accept a convert even on such terms. The Prodigal Son at least walked home on his own feet. But who can duly adore that Love which will open the high gates to prodigal who is brought in kicking, struggling, resentful, and darting his eyes in every direction for a chance of escape?" C.S Lewis
It isn't that the proof isn't there, it is that so many won't look, don't want to or have made up your mind and set the criteria impossibly. The atheist can think that protein, protein synthesis, cell membranes, DNA synthesis and RNA can all come together by chance and the universe popped out of nothing. Between the biology, history and the texts themselves it is alot easier to believe than goo to you by way of the zoo route. I mean if a Oxford prof. (C.S. Lewis), Phd in molecular biophysics (Alister McGrath), and even Christopher Hitchen's brother can be convinced by looking, the question isn't the evidence, it is the one looking. Heck it was a book on archaeolgy that got me taking Christianity much more seriously so ..... ah never mind, you made up your mind and don't want to know it seems.
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Originally Posted by rick_iles
Well that is a given that what so many Liberal's believe is fiction. History, science etc. don't matter to them and their ideology. Truth should change the way a person reacts, their goals, their thoughts and so many don't want to have anything to do with it because of that and their pride or their "me" attitude!
We started with Israel..... reminds me I should see about getting some wine/brandy and the Sabra chocolate/orange liquor... anyone want to talk about the fact that many of the middle eastern leaders almost seemed to shrug BUT the terrorists, Turkey and the lefties are the ones going nuts????
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Not so much when the whole nature of the problem is the basis of one religions beliefs and their relationship to another religion.
We see that even here in Canadian in an interview on television a few years back.
Mohamed Elmasry - Canadian Islamic Congress - October 19, 2004
Michel Coren: So everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target?
and right from the Hadith, one of the key books of Islam.
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad](may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
Whoa Boy! this thread has really strayed off from the original that was ;Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital,:confused:
Christianity; The popular belief that a celestial Jewish baby who is also his own father, born from a virgin mother, died for three days so that he could ascend to heaven on a cloud and then make you live forever, only if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your lord and master, so he can remove an evil force from your spiritual being that is present in all humanity, because an immoral woman made from a man's rib was hood winked by a talking reptile possessed by a malicious angle to secretly eat a forbidden fruit from a magical tree...... Sounds perfectly plausible.
If you are a true believer, then enjoy your time in heaven with Jeffery Dahmer, as he repented in jail ,according to the rules he gets to go to heaven, and many of his victims do not.
Boy have you got some weird ideas, but I know better than to try and teach a Liberal anything..... hope you learn more than the twisted material you talk about someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
NO ONE deserves to be saved God doesn't give forgiveness to those that don't ask and mean it..... so IF he honestly repented and believed.... sure why not, after all no one deserves to be there. But I would sooner get to meet Corrie Ten Boom, Saul of Tarsus aka Paul (another hater converted), C.S. Lewis etc. There will be lots of interesting people that will receive the forgiveness and mercy, I just feel sorry for those whose pride is in the way. Ah... I've wasted enough time with your foolishness, hope you decide to learn someday Bye.
Is anything I said not in the book?
No,but,you're interpretation is really out to lunch. That's all I'm saying in this matter. Have a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
See how silly it sounds to atheists.