Well...topic seems worth a civilized discussion...comments ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6P3uwl5HzzQ
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Well...topic seems worth a civilized discussion...comments ?
(Warning: Some might find the video disturbing; Viewer discretion is advised)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6P3uwl5HzzQ
did they mention how far away he was...I think that old boy needs to get back to the range...and not home range i mean gun range. Impressive power but video is not likely going to win any awards with the antis. "ohh gee I missed completely but look the her eyes got sucked out of her skull"...maybe when your paid to hunt you start loosing respect for what you kill...
Note: for perspective..this was a population management cull to remove a few does from a 'high fence' Game farm.
Douche move imho... Sucked the eyes out of its head.
By the way; that whole theory was de-bunked on a you-tube video out at Demolition Ranch..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
The tabled theory ( from the comments section) is that he actually shot a thru & thru the eye sockets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHpe5Z93wM
Well first off this is not a hunt as the title suggests but selective killing of animals.
The guy wanted to kill a deer with his BMG and get it off his bucket list. He did but not my idea of being a sportsman.
What would be next? A bazooka? If they want to analyse the effect of that round on flesh then they simply can look at the corpses of 200 lbs men laying around in the sand in the middle east. We all know what it can do.
There's 10 minutes of my life I will never get back,
Bottom line, who cares, red necks, shooting canons at a ranch, does a man that goes to a trout farm call himself a fisherman?
I don't know why this would be any different than hunting a deer with any other rifle, shot placement and being within range. There are lots of guys who shoot them with 300 win mag and 338 lapua at long range, may not be your cup of tea but to hit a deer in a vital spot to kill it is not based on the caliber, a 50 BMG miss is still a miss.
I also disagree with the concussion killing it, I remember being told that a 303 Brit or 30-06 miss just to the side of the head of the grouse will breaks it's neck, that is total BS, missed one with an 8x56 just to the side, missed twice actually and then killed it on the 3rd shot, 50 yards away.
No such thing as overkill. Back stop would be the worry.
Shooting it with the 50 is not the issue, claiming that the bullet sucked its eyes out and then posting on the internet by a supposed authority is what is ridiculous .
That’s right, nothing too big!Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
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I just feel the video was not made in good taste...not too sure who that guy is cause I dont care to watch any celeb hunters there all full of bullcrap and this video just strengthens my opinion.
I think you have to understand how many guys are infected with 'magnumitise' to appreciate what drives guys to do things like this and spend heavily to have the opportunity.
At a 'Ranch' like this, it's pure profit for them to sell tickets to these types to go in and cull a deer. That guy probably spent a small fortune shooting deer with that .50 BMG that day, but only posted this one video because it has a 'neat' aspect to it.
Having grown up on and still live on a farm, I'm probably far more emotional detached from the 'cull' process when raising livestock, so I don't have a real problem with this. Any hits with that caliber is a fast clean kill and that's what's important.
A hit in the guts ,or the butt end absolutely does not give you a clean killQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
should I clarify the obvious ?....."Any hits to the 'vitals' with that caliber".......Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
It's just more fuel for the anti's to use against us. Unless you're Native I think most hunters continue to think hunting is a right. Hunting is not a right, it's a privilege that can be taken away. We're a shrinking minority with dumb**'* like this guy representing us
Just replying to what you stated , as the way you put it , " a hit anywhere means a dead deer ".Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I'm not sure anti's would be too alarmed by this....they still can't get past the whole concept of 'High Fence Ranch Hunting' in the first place, let alone what goes on inside them. A guy hunting legally and a video that isn't graphic doesn't give them much to go on a rant over.
Stop recording and putting your hunt on youtube, that is ammunition for the anti's. Very few hunters out there understand the violence that goes on with the death of an animal, they sit back at long range and take a shot not knowing what is actually happening. Stop recording and posting videos to youtube, you want to shoot a deer with a 50 BMG then go out and do it if legal, take one with a traditional bow or a 30-30, a 30-06 or a 20ga with buckshot, I do not care, take a picture that is tasteful and post if you wish but keep all the gore away from those that want to use it as evidence, be tasteful about hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
fully agree...the guy was flaunting the gore of both its eyes being sucked out not something that needs to be displayed on a pedestal...that will be the liberals next campaign video to ban guns like that. The guy is a douche about the whole situation made me think of that dumb spear guy in BC whom will remain nameless for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I looked at some of his other videos and this joker wouldn't know a fair chase hunt if it bit him in the arse and would likely curl up and die if he tried to hunt the big woods of Ontario. I actually agree with Bonkers that these guys show hunting in a bad lite to the un informed who think that's how we all hunt. The Anti's will always be anti but most people don't have a problem with hunting but this guys BS could sway opinion against fair chase hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
That could be said for ANY hunter who hunts Hunt Whitetail Buck at a 'Ranch' for a stipend of $5K. ...it's a cultural thing down south and is accepted by many hunters, even thought we may not comprehend it here. Going there to shoot Does during their annual cull with your 'Big' guns obviously acceptable to the folks down south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
Interesting how hunters pass judgment on other hunters that are doing nothing unethical or illegal because it doesn't tickle their fancy.
edit add: I just read thru the vast majority of comments to the video on you-tube and the majority of the 'anti' type comments were posted by other hunters....our worst own enemies :)
This guy does most of his deer hunting in high fence operations, I know I followed him a while ago. He was hunting whitetails in Saskatchewan and across the Mid-West. Also his African hunts were also cagged hunts. The man is a Anti-hunter. He is doing more damage to the image of hunting, people like that are the problem
Utilizing a caliber originally designed as an anti-aircraft weapon on deer is unethical and down right dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
That is why we have shotgun only and ML hunts.
Good thing the sheer weight and price of that caliber only tempts a few nimrods but there must be a need for them to compensate for their smaller "manhood" part.
It is not being "anti" to voice your opinion when you witness stupidity.
The real "anti's" frequently form their opinion without comment. It is them we need to worry about and explain that acts like that are not the norm for hunters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG
How is it dangerous? Will the 50 BMG go through the ground? Will it ricochet more than any other rifle? I hunt in a zone that you can use a rifle, it is hard for me to believe that a 50 BMG would be any more dangerous in the area I hunt than a 7mm rem mag. You always have to know where the bullet will end up after the target, this is always the case. If you want to talk about dangerous rounds, the 22LR tends to bounce off anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Say that using a .50 cal on a deer is unethical is unsubstantiated. Most Muzzle Loaders on the market are .50 cal. In fact I have a .58 cal that shots soft lead 600 gr Minnies that leave a devastating wound channel in a deer....is that even more unethical ?Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
How fast it goes thru the deer is irrelevant and how much damage it will cause is also irrelevant because shot placement dictates how much meat would be lost as with any caliber. He is in fact in this video purposely taking a head shot to minimize meat loss.
The size of the bullet is not an ethical debate and not illegal.
As hunters you can rationalize and make points and arguments in favour of your tool of choice to harvest game all you want however to the non hunting public you have to present a case of why you should still be able to enjoy that privilege.
I responded to an email from a non hunting co-worker yesterday as apparently this video has gone viral. I explained that in Ontario it is not typical for hunters to blast away at deer with cannons to suck the eyeballs out of deer.
See where this is going!
And Mike, to compare a muzzle loader with the 50 BMG is totally ridiculous on your part especially from someone who is ex-military.
I will sign off this thread having offered my humble opinion and will let the two of you have the final word as usual.
Great reply to an nonsensical situation.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Here is a list of totally unnecessary but often used for deer in Ontario, many would call them cannons.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Winchester_Magnum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Winchester_Magnum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7mm_Remington_Magnum
You can choose to justify it but the fact is that the 50 BMG is as legal as a 357 Mag, one someone will tell you has not enough power and the other someone will tell you is a cannon. I cannot believe how often I read about infighting in the hunting community, it is total garbage, be legal and be ethical with your shots, those ethics are your own. If enough people feel that laws should change you will be sure that they will force their ethics on the rest of the group, hence why Grizzly hunting in BC is gone, why spring black bear in Ontario left for so long and why hunting might go out the window with all these idiots posting videos online for shock value or simply because the blood and guts is cool to them.
The calibers you listed are totally viable , [look it up] and useful hunting calibers, [ the .50 BMG is not.:rolleye:]Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Why is the 50 BMG not viable and useful, it seemed to do the job perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I hope you realize that your comment on useful hunting calibers is exactly what generations before said about the 30-06 when the 44-40 did a great job on a deer. You guys comment about this being excessive but proven deer rifles like the 30-30 are considered marginal at best in the next thread, again, total garbage.
If the deer is dead and feels very little then the round is totally viable and useful for hunting. :rolleye:
Ridiculous ? Same caliber and close to the same weight (grs) ...yes different velocities but at 50-100 yds, that would be irrelevant. The damage inflicted to the deer would be similar depending on shot placement. ie.. a head or neck shot with either would have the same results. So why is one unethical and not the other ?Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
If you provide a reason or criteria as to what makes .50 BMG unethical then I'd have a better idea as to how to refute the premise.
and yes...I have fired many, many belts of .50 cal rounds down range while serving with an Infantry unit, so I know exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to the effective use of that caliber of bullet.
I still think those that keep saying it's 'unethical' should explain why...what reason ?
There seems to be a lot of hunters that have a preordained idea as to what is an 'ethical' bullet and what isn't, it would be interesting to know the criteria used to make that list. We've hashed out the lower end on this forum many times with the smaller calibers, so lets hear some arguments as to where you draw the line at the top end and why. How do you determine 'too big' ?
Fox's list of ammunition that guys use to hunt with will inevitably fall into someones list as 'overkill' but they are perfectly OK to others. What is the criteria to make the list of bullets that are 'overkill'.
I will agree it is ethical and actually a larger round inflicting the most damage would ensure a more clean kill..so as far as ethics yes definately caliber choice not and issue. The video however is pretty much glorifying the killing aspect and the giys attitude makes it seem unethical to some I guess....I will not debate the ethics of the round but the choice to post a video like that on youtube is questionable and does not shed a positive light on hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
This right here is the problem, not the use of the 50 BMG. The fact that this guy goes all crazy about how it died and what happened, lets watch that in slow motion, all that crap is the problem. This is why I cancelled WildTV, I am sick and tired of the idiots whooping and hollering when they kill something "I F*&king nailed him", "Smoked him", etc, I feel that I respect the animals way more than to act like that then I kill them, it should be a somber and calm event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
That's what my point was, Don't care what you shoot the deer with it was the stupid comments made by the idiot in the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
x3 completely agree with that take on the video. . The Bubba fist pump after the adrenaline rush is normal, every one does it, but I think it hurts the sport when it's captured on video or embellished for the video with comments etc.
You're right HJ, this video would have been more acceptable without the 'epilogue', he comes off as a real idiot.
it might be possible people are confusing "unethical" for "unnecessary" to me .50bmg is an ethical kill but is absolutely unnecessary to take down a whitetail but they do it because they can. no more explanation needed.
Both 303 British, Various 30 Calibre, and 7mm and 8mm rounds have also been used as "ANTI-AIRCRAFT" and in air to air combat as well better get those off the list too. Not Ethical as you say to use a round "Designed"( how ever you seem to be defining that) to shot down aircraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Viable, Useful and practical has more to do with the game you are hunting. A 22 for rabbit is viable and practical, 308 is not. A 308 for bear or Moose is viable and practical, a 22 is not. A 50BMG for bear, Grizzly, Buffalo, Moose is also Viable and Practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Now here is a 'true' antiaircraft round... it's a dummy 25mm round from Oerlikon Contraves Anti-Aircraft artillery round compared to a .303 round...I think it would be getting into the realm 'impractical' for hunting ..LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
https://i.imgur.com/ooQDMWSm.jpg
Ding Ding Ding..we have a winner...good choice of words....nothing to do with ethics...just not practical !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
No that would be perfectly fine if the game was large enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
By the way on a side note..I find some of the ways "guns" are depicted in movies makes me almost pull my hair out. Dinosaurs are not bullet proof. Some one gets shot with a 32 and they are spread around like a bag of fertilizer, but pour a few hundred rounds and minute of 20 or 30mm into a T-rex and it bounces off like spitballs, then "Same" T-rex gets kill by hero at the end of movie with 1911 in 45 auto.
This is very disturbing for me.
No respect for the animals.
Ethical hunters have respect for wildlife.
That’s called life target practice.
Very very disgusting
You must also be disgusted about shooting crows, Groundhogs, Gophers, Ground squirrels( they carry Plague by the way), Feral Cats, and a whole long list of things like bow fishing for carp, Gar, and suckers?Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
One shot and one kill, instant and no pain to the animal, how is this disgusting?Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
Is hunting not life target practice?
Would you be disturbed by someone shooting a deer with a 30-06?
Yes you are correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Is that’s the way you guys are going to teach the young generation to huntQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Blowup animal in pieces ?
Show me where the deer "blowup in pieces". The 50 Cal round went straight thru the skull and killed it instantly. What more humane way could you have killed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
Exactly, I have seen a lot worse damage with a 270 or a 30-06, I think that shot was one of the least messy kills out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
What are you talking about!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Did you watch the video
He DIDN’T hit the deer
If he actually would hit the deer would've blown it up in pieces
It did, right thru the eye. Howelse would it die?!Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
Are you serious about this ??Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Please guys go listen and watch the whole video
I think I wasted too much time here
Have a good day all
we did, and you can see the vapor trail going into the head, and the spray from the exit wound on the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
His theory has been disproved, go back and look through this whole thread, this has been discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
There is way too much controversy over this on this forum. I remember when this video came out and I barely heard a peep from all the usual anti hunter groups...but hunters here seemed to get all worked up about it.
High fence hunt. .50 cal rifle. Dead deer. Everything was legal. If you don’t like that type of thing, then don’t watch it.
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