Combination Guns, does anyone on here use them for actually hunting?

I was having my morning coffee before I had to face the shingle pickup and inevitable calls and went to Tradex .... I got curious if anyone uses them for actually hunting and for what? Rabbits and varmints are the only things I could think of so I present some interesting combinations that were there.

22 and 12Guage
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-cal-over-12ga

12guage and 6.5x55
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...2ga-over-65x55

22 and 410
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-lr-over-410ga



... and before you ask I am not looking for an excuse to buy one ..... although the Savage and Baikal have appeal I admit. :shades:

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I was having my morning coffee before I had to face the shingle pickup and inevitable calls and went to Tradex .... I got curious if anyone uses them for actually hunting and for what? Rabbits and varmints are the only things I could think of so I present some interesting combinations that were there.

22 and 12Guage
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-cal-over-12ga

12guage and 6.5x55
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...2ga-over-65x55

22 and 410
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-lr-over-410ga



... and before you ask I am not looking for an excuse to buy one ..... although the Savage and Baikal have appeal I admit. :shades:

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Oh that 22/410 looks nice to bad about stock cracks
Had a 22/20 in my hands at a gun show still kicking myself for not scooping it up think it make nice squire gun

I have never actually seen many people with the high power rifle - shotgun combo's out but a few with the 22 - shotgun combos. Especially good for trappers.

I guess in Europe, they have a lot of join seasons ie hare and hogs, etc. and they like to carry the larger caliber just in case they see a hog during upland hunting. Some merit here for sure too. You are grouse hunting and still have a bear, moose, deer tag etc.

They had quite a few combinations, there were some with 222, 7x57R and a few other calibers but those caught my eye and I have seen lots of them over the years...but can't recall anyone that actually used them.

In the 20 guage they had quite a few that would fit the grouse/deer gun.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...0ga-over-65x55

I use a Blaser ES67 in 16ga over 5.6x50R for coyote coming to calls. #4buck in the shotgun for up close and 40grain varmageddon out to 250yards.

I have a Savage .22 long rifle and 20ga combo, I do not find the open sights very accurate so tend not to use it very often,nice little survival gun as it breaks down for back pack size.

I have used them for Varmint control. It’s ok I guess.
Better options out there - IMO.

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I use a Blaser ES67 in 16ga over 5.6x50R for coyote coming to calls. #4buck in the shotgun for up close and 40grain varmageddon out to 250yards.

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A few users with different calibers... thanks.

Do you reload? 5.6x50R looks like a rare round. That sounds like the best use that I could see for it too. How's that round to shoot? Size wise seems like similar to a .223 round.

I like the 6.5x55 and it got my attention but for a combo gun... interesting but would likely be a safe queen... so I was wondering if people actually used them with much success.

The problem with any double barrel is the alignment for accuracy and a rifle would have to be the main focus when sighting I would expect.

I can and have bought 5.6x50R at tradex. Once I started to reload it though is when I saw shocking accuracy. I can make three shots touch at 100 yards off a bench with a cold clean barrel all day long. It helps that it has a set trigger and a 2-7 Hertel and Reuss claw mount scope too. It doesn’t like to get warmed up with multiple shots, but with a CCB it drives tacks. The cartridge is a bit hotter than a 223 and is very popular in Europe.
The 16ga I also load in #4 buck. It’s a 1oz load and it throws 20 pellets. Patterns well out to 30-40 yards cause the gun is tightly choked.
I would LOVE to find a drilling as a 16x16 over 6.5x55. Versatile deer gun!

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I can and have bought 5.6x50R at tradex. Once I started to reload it though is when I saw shocking accuracy. I can make three shots touch at 100 yards off a bench with a cold clean barrel all day long. It helps that it has a set trigger and a 2-7 Hertel and Reuss claw mount scope too. It doesn’t like to get warmed up with multiple shots, but with a CCB it drives tacks. The cartridge is a bit hotter than a 223 and is very popular in Europe.
The 16ga I also load in #4 buck. It’s a 1oz load and it throws 20 pellets. Patterns well out to 30-40 yards cause the gun is tightly choked.
I would LOVE to find a drilling as a 16x16 over 6.5x55. Versatile deer gun!

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Thanks, I don't think I had ever seen or heard of it to my knowledge. I'm always curious about the variety out there and that sounds like a real good setup and better when reloading. As for the drilling that would be a rare one and the price .... would show I bet... and if you ever find it post a picture!!! Kind of like this set.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-22-cal-insert

They have a nice looking 12ga with 6.5x55 that looks real nice and a few others that look interesting. This one is the one I was looking at, I like the calibers.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...2ga-over-65x55
but I like the lines on this one that is 20ga best. It just looks good!
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...0ga-over-65x55

But no way to justify it and I probably would have little if any chance to use it.

Nothing wrong with that Zoli. The Merkel is awesome...what a set.

I " would " use for Bear hunting O/U 12Ga x .300Win mag but I can't find one ...in Canada

or just get a new barrel set for my 101 Winchester O/U , who can mace for me and for how much ...?

Steve Milton .....He can .....

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I " would " use for Bear hunting O/U 12Ga x .300Win mag but I can't find one ...in Canada

or just get a new barrel set for my 101 Winchester O/U , who can mace for me and for how much ...?

Steve Milton .....He can .....

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You mean like these? I saw it awhile ago.
https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifl...r-308-12-gauge

I would prefer this though
https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifl...er-30-30-12-ga

Yes .... Brno will do to SST trigger


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You mean like these? I saw it awhile ago.
https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifl...r-308-12-gauge

I would prefer this though
https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifl...er-30-30-12-ga

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Yes .... Brno wild do .....

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I had a chance to handle a really nice Brno with 3 barrel sets: 2x 12 ga barrels with different chokes, and one rifle barrel over 16 ga. I forget the calibre, 8 mm Mauser or something.

Very nice gun. Seriously considered it. But I never would have used that rifle barrel.



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Originally Posted by mosquito

I was having my morning coffee before I had to face the shingle pickup and inevitable calls and went to Tradex .... I got curious if anyone uses them for actually hunting and for what? Rabbits and varmints are the only things I could think of so I present some interesting combinations that were there.

22 and 12Guage
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-cal-over-12ga

12guage and 6.5x55
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...2ga-over-65x55

22 and 410
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...-lr-over-410ga



... and before you ask I am not looking for an excuse to buy one ..... although the Savage and Baikal have appeal I admit. :shades:

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I picked up an older SXS a while back at a gun show, it has a Lefaucheux action, it's 44-40 / 12 ga. combination (Damascus barrels of course). I put a set of sights on it, in order to get some accuracy with the 44-40. I've been using it so far for target shooting with the 44-40, it's barrel is about 1/2" thick. It weighs quite a bit so I haven't exactly been running around doing any birding with the shotgun. Mostly working up loads for the 44-40, finally found a load that shoots well using AA#7 and a 245 grain plain base cast bullet. I may give it a try on deer if the situation presence itself. I've yet to check the 12 ga. side for it's ability handle a slugs using black powder, hopefully it will match the 44-40 side for accuracy.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

Wow. that sounds like an interesting one. There are some strange ones out there that is for sure, the Paris hunting museum had alot of displays of imagination!

Coincidentally, I was just distracted by one of the more interesting combination guns I have ever seen. It ranks right up there with the oddest you can see in any firearm or hunting museum. Center barrel is large caliber and the revolver a smaller one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NslM-xgKK0w

About the 7 minute mark to see it, although the others, especially the Savage revolver (figure 8 trigger) are interesting too. If someone was making modern repro's of the combination or Savage I don't know about performance but just taking it to the range would be fun!

I haven't hunted with a combo - I'd like to get my hands on 20g x 22 though.

What I do a lot of when deer hunting and is to use .410 shells in a .444 marlin, and also .32 s&w shorts in an auxillary cartridge in a .30-30.
Great for grouse or rabbits. The .32 s&2 short is very quiet - about like a .22 short.

Well they have added some 16 and 12 guage Drillings and there is a couple 22LR 410's on here today.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/69?page=1


or there was.... I checked the link and either I missed the "Out of Stock" or it went fast. The 12g x 12g x 6.5x55 looks good, the 30-06 one would be a bear gun for sure! Not a 300 but.... it is also gone

the hammered 40calx16guage is interesting
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...6ga-and-40-cal


They seem to go fast on there, I checked the page last week in this discussion and they added a bunch and many are already gone!

I hope they going to start importing Brno Combination guns ......

Mosquito...thanks so much for the tip. I ordered the 16x16x 7x65R. So excited.

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Mosquito...thanks so much for the tip. I ordered the 16x16x 7x65R. So excited.

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Sounds good, let us know how it looks and shoots.

Got it today. Very pleased. As described. Can’t wait to shoot it.
http://i.imgur.com/2HO9Yw3.jpg
currently in pieces for a thorough cleaning, inspection, and wood re-furb

I have for years hunted grouse and rabbits with a Baikal 22-410 awesome little gun
during deer season while dogging I carry a 12ga 308 Baikal and it works awesome as well
I practice with factory ammo on open sights
cant go wrong if you ask me

Bought a Savage 22 over 20 today at the gun show
Also a nice Remington wingmaster in 16ga

I have savage 30-30 over 20ga and have shot few deer with this combination gun!!

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Got it today. Very pleased. As described. Can’t wait to shoot it.
http://i.imgur.com/2HO9Yw3.jpg
currently in pieces for a thorough cleaning, inspection, and wood re-furb

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That looks GOOD!

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I have savage 30-30 over 20ga and have shot few deer with this combination gun!!

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What do you load it with? Scoped? Range?



My fav in a drilling is still there.... it's been months, maybe I will buy a lotto this week.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...12ga-and-65x55

No just plain sight and shot average under 50yds!!

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No just plain sight and shot average under 50yds!!

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Thanks, I was wondering, I thought you might use the 30-30 for the 100+ yd shots. With a scope it would take a few practice shots to figure out the different hit points now that I think about it.

My fav in a drilling is still there.... it's been months, maybe I will buy a lotto this week.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/conten...12ga-and-65x55[/QUOTE]

That is a nice gun and I am surprised it is still there. Probably needs a good clean-up and "going over", but it looks pretty solid and would be worth more once its restored a bit.

On another note, my Dad bought a Zoli combo from them in 20ga over 6.5x55 and it is a sweet gun. Very similar to a Blaser ES67 I have. Might be worth considering a Zoli if you really have the combo bug.

So, mine is almost where I want it to be. I have cleaned up the wood, repointed the checkering, stripped and rust blued the barrels that had worn bluing. I even acquired a Krieghoff .22 insert for it. I just finished fitting it and sighting it in yesterday. Very happy so far.
https://i.imgur.com/2IgUWt6.jpg
Gun complete
https://i.imgur.com/7DrV5fj.jpg
Bird hunting set-up
https://i.imgur.com/J01WMcs.jpg
.22 insert
https://i.imgur.com/PTPswL4.jpg
100 yards 5 shot group. Cold clean bore.
https://i.imgur.com/qAPNQX4.jpg
25 yards with same point of aim .22 insert. 1" square.

https://i.imgur.com/td4xLed.jpg
Top patterns no scope, full is left, mod is right. 20 yards. Bottom patterns were with scope.

The only thing it needs for it to be perfect, is another 1 1/4" in the length of pull. Some shrimpkin cut it down. I can shoot 5 stand with a slip-on pad, no problem, but it looks cheesy. I am pleased and excited about this gun. I think its going deer hunting this fall.

That looks amazing! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Good luck with that, it should do great! Are you reserving one barrel for grouse or rabbits?

As for combo bug.... well let's say I am pest ridden and swatter short :silly: :moose:

"Swatters" I am short of starts at time, then places to shoot, then money ....... I am always curious about various innovations and models and how people are using them. For instance when we went to Paris years ago I made sure I got to the Museum of Hunting and Nature and there were varieties I had never imagined, inlaid with ivory etc and even probably 6 of the 1800's hunting air rifles.
https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Attractio...=7&ff=57539366
I couldn't find some of the really odd ones like a flintlock with 4 receivers (for lack of a better word) and the barrel rotated... sympathetic fire must have been a bugger if it happened!
https://mooisvanme.blogspot.com/2016...-et-de-la.html
I loved the fox on the chair!
http://www.coolstuffinparis.com/muse...-la-nature.php

Museum
http://www.chassenature.org/decouver...anentes/armes/
https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Attraction_Review-g187147-d232162-Reviews-Musee_de_la_Chasse_et_de_la_Nature-Paris_Ile_de_France.html#photos;aggregationId=101& albumid=101&filter=7&ff=57433255

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Originally Posted by alfoldivandor

I " would " use for Bear hunting O/U 12Ga x .300Win mag but I can't find one ...in Canada

or just get a new barrel set for my 101 Winchester O/U , who can mace for me and for how much ...?

Steve Milton .....He can .....

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Sitting here with enough Advil and Tylenol to stone a horse (tooth, split and then had pulled).... remembered this thread when web wandering though!
16x16 Gauge and 303 Brit? NOT CHEAP!


https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...x2-303-British

Selling- J.P. Sauer and Son Drilling Rifle. This is probably the only rifle in this caliber configuration in all of Canada. Chambered in 16 gauge x 2 and .303 British on the bottom barrel, extremely rare. Shipped to Canada on August 9th, 1956. Features 23 and 1/2" deeply blued barrels, high grade walnut stock and fore end in exceptional condition, highly engraved nickel plated receiver, near perfect skip line checkering, double set triggers, flip up rear sight when .303 selector switch is engaged, custom claw mounts and a Zeiss Diavari 1.5x6x40 scope with heavy German three post reticle. Fired very little this drilling rifle is in excellent plus condition. Priced attractively at $5495.00, plus shipping. ** Now $5300.00, plus shipping. ** This rifle will ship in a generic hard case which is included in price. Payment plan a possibility. Sorry, no trades. EMT preferred. Serious enquiries only.

That drilling looks very similar to mine. Nice configuration.

http://i.imgur.com/VMmadCy.jpg
I added some wood to mine. LOP is where I wanted it....love it.

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http://i.imgur.com/VMmadCy.jpg
I added some wood to mine. LOP is where I wanted it....love it.

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Very nice!

I hunt often with my Isodoro Rizzini combi 12ga/30-06. Carry it for deer, bear and all winter for hares. It is one of my favourite guns. I hunt in WMU 46, 47, 49

I have been watching Tradeex Canada for a nice 12 / 222 Rem. There were a couple nice ones earlier this year but I waited too long and they sold.

the 12x6.5 would have been nice while hunting northern ontario...

I tried like hell to get that rifle barrel into use on a deer up North, but it didn't happen this year...

I opted to keep two barrels loaded with buckshot for close-up work and leave the 7x65R for anything else. I was hoping for a grouse or two and had the .22 insert ready, but the weather did not cooperate. Have to keep trying I guess.
https://i.imgur.com/XTSVWz8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ErNpIVd.jpg

Twice this deer season I carried my J.P. Sauer Model 54 BBF (16 ga. over .30-30) loaded with No. 1 buck and 170 gr. Winchester PowerPoint. Unfortunately, no shots were fired.

It's been suggested to me that these guns are made for a lighter bullet and that 110 gr. hand loads would be ideal out of the .30-30. Anyone have thoughts on this?

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Twice this deer season I carried my J.P. Sauer Model 54 BBF (16 ga. over .30-30) loaded with No. 1 buck and 170 gr. Winchester PowerPoint. Unfortunately, no shots were fired.

It's been suggested to me that these guns are made for a lighter bullet and that 110 gr. hand loads would be ideal out of the .30-30. Anyone have thoughts on this?

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Any idea how fast the twist rate is?

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Any idea how fast the twist rate is?

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It measures 1:12.

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It measures 1:12.

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Then maybe a short bodied, flat based, light bullet would be best. That’s kinda slowish no?

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Then maybe a short bodied, flat based, light bullet would be best. That’s kinda slowish no?

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I thought so too until I read that Winchester Model 94's are all 1:12 twist.

Whole bunch of new combos just arrived at trade-ex. Man, some good coyote rigs.

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Whole bunch of new combos just arrived at trade-ex. Man, some good coyote rigs.

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I noticed the. 243/12G yesterday for 22K!

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I noticed the. 243/12G yesterday for 22K!

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I didn't see anything priced anywhere near that! I was looking under drillings and combination guns. Nothing north of $2300. Most between $400-$600.

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I didn't see anything priced anywhere near that! I was looking under drillings and combination guns. Nothing north of $2300. Most between $400-$600.

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Of course, as always with the Tradex site I can't find the same thing twice. I may have been mistaken or misread.

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I have been intently watching the Tradeex site every few hours daily since I noticed the new batch of combos being posted. Preparing to act quickly for the 12ga/222 Rem combi I want. Some beauty Varini’s in 12ga/5.6x52r went up last week. They really tempted my patience but I kept waiting. Yesterday I saw a Sabatti Classic hit their site in my preferred caliber, reviewed the pics, talked to Tony about the gun and bought. Should be here Christmas Eve.
I can not think of a better gun to carry all winter than a 12ga/222 Rem over under.

As to the initial question, does anyone actually hunt with a combination gun?
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I hunt with my I Rizzini combi 12ga/3006 every fall. Could be while walking after bears or during my deer hunt. I carry it the most in my winter walking rituals. Accurate enough to head shoot hares out to 50m. But with my Sabatti on the way it will take over this roll

Love to see some pictures of it when it arrives.

Dilly
I will put my pictures up on Facebook. 12 Gauge Society