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I am surprised 49 stayed the same
Its like they're trying to eradicate the deer in 47.
Yep.......me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
Not sure what that's all about..........another MNR mysteryQuote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
Been 3 years since I hunted 47, not a lot of deer than. They make it sound like there are deer behind every tree. I'd say it used to be really good, but now it seems to me that it is ok. I didn't see any deer for the last couple I hunted there, there were sign and locals did ok on drives. 4000 just sounds high to me.
Thanks for posting!
The gun to bow ratio seems out of wack!! :)
I really hope 92 has some additional bow only tags. It's getting expensive hunting in Michigan to top up my meat supply...lol
2018 gun season
65,300 total tags available.
2018 archery season
19,415 total tags available.
I hope you realize that those numbers include all seasons in those WMUs that do not have a controlled hunt. In the case of my zone, 66A, that includes the bow season, general gun season and muzzle loader, meaning that covers every day from Oct 1st to Dec 31st, it does not specify gun, the archery seasons specify bow only as they have controlled hunts for their gun hunts and the validation system is different for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
Yep not my first hunting season... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
So what is your concern about the number of deer tags available?Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
I know that the number of deer in SW Ontario is much lower than it was 10 years ago, the population has taken a number of hits and the availability of tags has to take that into account, including the number of people allowed to hunt in a controlled hunt.
I actually know of a few controlled hunt gangs that will not have a hunt this year due to the population drop and wanting to bring the numbers back up.
Well I'm not sure if there should be any antlerless tags given out in unit 47 because the herd has not recovered from those bad winter's a couple years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by huntnmachine
My theory. They want to eradicate deer so the moose population comes back, like they did to unit 21 with moose eradication to get the caribou back. ;) Remember only 1 bull tag for the whole unit.
I applied for an antlerless tag, but I won't likely fill it unless we see a pile of deer.
You'd have to know what the holding capacity or herd sustainability level is for the WMU before you can say deer numbers are to high or to low. Ten years back it was way out of whack here (66a) and the MNR had huge cull to get the numbers down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
The MNR says they are just about right now but hunters say the population is low.
The number of antlerless tags in 47 has dropped from 6,600 in the glory days of 8-10 years ago, down to 4,000 in the last couple years. However our large camp of 18 hunters has not noticed any difference; we still get more antlerless tags than we know what to do with. The only difference now is the deer are not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cramadog2
Yes I agree, our camp is also in 47, and we too have not used all the doe tags available for the last 5 years. No problem before that.
Our camp is in #49 and has not recovered from the big kill off 4 years ago. We haven't allowed does to be shot in our camp since that winter.
In 92B where I hunt the deer numbers are up big time. I would like to see additional seals for antlerless archery only. I miss the good old days where I could bow hunt for a doe then hunt the controlled hunt for a mature buck. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I would agree that the numbers are pretty good right now compared to what they should be, little crop damage, not too many car accidents and a stable population, even around long winters like we had last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The WMU I speak of is 86, they are not all the same, 86 has a very low population compared to the mid 2000s.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
I do remember a time when you did not get a doe tag 100% of the time in SW Ontario. I was not hunting at the time but my dad was not successful every year. In the 80s the deer numbers were so low that you could hunt a week and not cut a track, again, not my time but my dads. You have the other extreme though, back in the 40s grandpa's gang would shoot a ton of deer, heavy game poles.
I think we need that proper balance, but additional tags are a very new thing, something that only came about in the middle 2000s.
I agree....it's been a long time since I hunted in Oct..would love to see a separate Bow/Doe tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
They have them down in SW Ontario is most places, we don't have that sort of population up our way though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
We could always do an up state new york hunt, may even be cheaper than Ontario, ha ha.
The 'additional seals' were added because of the decline in a successful fall cull....the traditional hunts weren't bringing the numbers down. Largely due to lower hunter numbers, lower success rates of hunters and milder weather not reducing the herds.....when was the last time we had a foot of snow down the first week of Nov ? ..used to be common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
We have had some really long winters since, remember a few years back, you could have been sledding late into April.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Growing up in SW Ontario, there were so few winter kills due to all the feed around, that all caught up to them not all that long ago, a higher population than the carrying capacity and 2 really bad winters in a row twice in 10 years.
They also stopped winter feeding in the yards. Up our way that has had a very noticeable effect.